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Post by badhabitude on Nov 2, 2016 14:58:23 GMT
Haha! Hold up a $20-dollar bill in one hand a bag of Doritos in the other and tell the alleged stoner to choose wisely. If he/she reaches for the Doritos, they're busted Exactly...how hard can it be? But not Exactly... scientific.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 2, 2016 14:59:10 GMT
The only benefit I can think of for legalized weed is that is will keep the money out of the hands of the hardcore criminals - the people involved in smuggling, the gang members and etc. Maybe there might be a little less money for one of them to buy an AK47 to blow Kels away. That plus ample research shows that our "legal drugs" (alcohol, cigs, over the counter prescription drugs etc) have way more side effects with regard to physical and mental health. Personally I would rather have a stoner nation than a whisky infused one. But that's just me.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 2, 2016 15:14:02 GMT
The only benefit I can think of for legalized weed is that is will keep the money out of the hands of the hardcore criminals - the people involved in smuggling, the gang members and etc. Maybe there might be a little less money for one of them to buy an AK47 to blow Kels away. That plus ample research shows that our "legal drugs" (alcohol, cigs, over the counter prescription drugs etc) have way more side effects with regard to physical and mental health. Personally I would rather have a stoner nation than a whisky infused one. But that's just me. I would MUCH rather have a mentally healthy nation. If the population had better mental hygiene there would be less of a need for drugs. We have poor people, abused people and all the other type of people who take drugs in this country and the world. There has to be an emphasis on training people to deal with their issues in other ways rather than escaping with chemicals. We have to get real - we tell people that drugs are bad. No. That's not the problem - the problem is that they are so GOOD you are willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING and ANYTHING to get them. How about a drug that will kill you horribly? That will rot your skin right off of you? No reason to imagine it. It's called krokodil. Think about it. How good must this shit be that you would be willing to accept these side effects? For those of you who never experienced hardcore drugs, it's kind of like this. How about this offer? You get to have a threesome with any 2 chicks in the world you want. The Price? 2 months of your life. Now imagine you can get that every day. 2 months? And its off the end of your life, so what does it matter? Next thing you know, you are lopping years of your life. krokodil. www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqRbmG1edV0
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 2, 2016 15:24:30 GMT
That plus ample research shows that our "legal drugs" (alcohol, cigs, over the counter prescription drugs etc) have way more side effects with regard to physical and mental health. Personally I would rather have a stoner nation than a whisky infused one. But that's just me. I would MUCH rather have a mentally healthy nation. If the population had better mental hygiene there would be less of a need for drugs. We have poor people, abused people and all the other type of people who take drugs in this country and the world. There has to be an emphasis on training people to deal with their issues in other ways rather than escaping with chemicals. We have to get real - we tell people that drugs are bad. No. That's not the problem - the problem is that they are so GOOD you are willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING and ANYTHING to get them. How about a drug that will kill you horribly? That will rot your skin right off of you? No reason to imagine it. It's called krokodil. Think about it. How good must this shit be that you would be willing to accept these side effects? For those of you who never experienced hardcore drugs, it's kind of like this. How about this offer? You get to have a threesome with any 2 chicks in the world you want. The Price? 2 months of your life. Now imagine you can get that every day. 2 months? And its off the end of your life, so what does it matter? Next thing you know, you are lopping years of your life. krokodil. www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqRbmG1edV0Well, I think we can probably both agree that drugs and other stimulants are a feature and not a bug of greater societal ills.
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Post by kelvana33 on Nov 2, 2016 15:40:21 GMT
I'm betting here in Mass they vote to legalize marijuana. I'm voting against it, we here have a pretty significant heroin/opioid problem so it only makes sense that these fucking idiots would go ahead and legalize it. Some say it's a gateway drug,some argue it's not. I'd like to someone to show me one junkie, and I've dealt with plenty, who did not start out on marijuana. That's such an interesting topic kel, and I really see all sides of it. Three years ago, I flew back to NE to attend a funeral for an otherwise beautiful person who became a heroin addict and eventually ODed. 31 years old. I also live at the epicenter of legal marijuana these days and have had a front row seat for the experiment. I work with the police a fair amount in my job, and am technically an officer (although my active duty consists of hitting the shooting range twice a year). While marijuana would clearly be a drug that every eventual heroin addict used at some point, I don't really buy into the 'gateway drug' thing. Or at least, I think marijuana falls way, way behind prescription drugs in that capacity these days. The addicts I talk to, laugh at marijuana, like you're talking about cigarettes. Yeah they've used it, but it is a distant thing from opioids. You don't show up to a NA meeting and talk about pot, or you'd be laughed out of the place. And nobody goes straight to the needle, of course. Every heroin addict has cigarettes, alcohol, pills, pot, etc. in their history (and all of that is legal, except pot). It's the pills that get them, though. Legal heroin. And when the doctor finally gets wise and they can't steal their parents pain pills anymore, they need opioids from someplace else. I'm sure you're familiar with this. Anyhow, I haven't seen legal marijuana have much of an impact on anything in Denver, except that I really think they need to regulate edibles more stringently. It has generated $130 million in tax revenue this year for the state, and taken a niche market away from illegal dealers. I bet I have two dozen pot shops within two miles of my house on the west side of the city. They replaced vacant shopfronts, pawn shops, porn shops, etc. There is one between a sushi joint and a Starbucks in my neighborhood. I don't love it or hate it. But, I think a much more honest and effective crackdown on the roots of heroin abuse would be to go after prescription pills and the doctors/pharmacies that push them on people. Further, I have never met anyone who wanted marijuana and couldn't easily get it, despite it being illegal. Trying to prohibit marijuana and regulate it as an illegal drug has been a spectacular failure in this country, and an expensive one to boot. With my sometimes libertarian leanings, I voted for it, despite some reservations. My wife voted against it. I can see both sides and really didn't feel strongly about it. I think most police officers here opposed it, but they have also said that the changes have not been all that great. Good luck. Great post Fletch, and I see all sides as well. I know there are people who use it, I have friends who do, that don't bother anyone. My argument is we have enough fucking idiots who can't handle alcohol and innocent people die from it. No need to throw marijuana in the mix as well. Just my opinion.
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Post by Fletcher on Nov 2, 2016 16:14:14 GMT
That's such an interesting topic kel, and I really see all sides of it. Three years ago, I flew back to NE to attend a funeral for an otherwise beautiful person who became a heroin addict and eventually ODed. 31 years old. I also live at the epicenter of legal marijuana these days and have had a front row seat for the experiment. I work with the police a fair amount in my job, and am technically an officer (although my active duty consists of hitting the shooting range twice a year). While marijuana would clearly be a drug that every eventual heroin addict used at some point, I don't really buy into the 'gateway drug' thing. Or at least, I think marijuana falls way, way behind prescription drugs in that capacity these days. The addicts I talk to, laugh at marijuana, like you're talking about cigarettes. Yeah they've used it, but it is a distant thing from opioids. You don't show up to a NA meeting and talk about pot, or you'd be laughed out of the place. And nobody goes straight to the needle, of course. Every heroin addict has cigarettes, alcohol, pills, pot, etc. in their history (and all of that is legal, except pot). It's the pills that get them, though. Legal heroin. And when the doctor finally gets wise and they can't steal their parents pain pills anymore, they need opioids from someplace else. I'm sure you're familiar with this. Anyhow, I haven't seen legal marijuana have much of an impact on anything in Denver, except that I really think they need to regulate edibles more stringently. It has generated $130 million in tax revenue this year for the state, and taken a niche market away from illegal dealers. I bet I have two dozen pot shops within two miles of my house on the west side of the city. They replaced vacant shopfronts, pawn shops, porn shops, etc. There is one between a sushi joint and a Starbucks in my neighborhood. I don't love it or hate it. But, I think a much more honest and effective crackdown on the roots of heroin abuse would be to go after prescription pills and the doctors/pharmacies that push them on people. Further, I have never met anyone who wanted marijuana and couldn't easily get it, despite it being illegal. Trying to prohibit marijuana and regulate it as an illegal drug has been a spectacular failure in this country, and an expensive one to boot. With my sometimes libertarian leanings, I voted for it, despite some reservations. My wife voted against it. I can see both sides and really didn't feel strongly about it. I think most police officers here opposed it, but they have also said that the changes have not been all that great. Good luck. I'm solidly no on the pot question. The tax revenue that will be derived form legal pot in MA will be a fraction of what it is in CO. The tax rate is 12.5 percent or thereabouts, about half of what it is in CO. Isn't it like 40-something percent in Washington? The ballot question is poorly constructed and is clearly written to benefit the Marijuana Industry. There is no current way to quickly test drivers for marijuana like there is for alcohol. The drugged driving fatalities in Washington have doubled since pot was made legal. Yeah, there are conflicting studies on drugged driving accidents and fatalities but I'll believe AAA before Norml on this one. My wife and I would be allowed to grow up to 12 marijuana plants at home. Now, nobody smokes that much weed. 12 plants would yield enough weed to supply the entire audience at a Grateful Dead concert for a weekend. Well, maybe not. Perhaps a DMB concert. The black market will thrive. So why would the Marijuana Industry write this Ballot Question and include something that would clearly keep some people out of the pot shops? They need the votes, is why. Plus they are banking on the edibles attracting even the home-growers. The edibles are scary because they are a magnet for kids. THC consumption in kids has a demonstrable effect on their brain development. Our kids are already dumb enough. The proponents keep harping on the cost of enforcing the marijuana laws. "We're spending million of dollars and putting otherwise innocent people in our jails and prisons" . No, we are not. In MA, people do not get arrested for pot unless they get caught with an open trunk load of bricks in a middle school parking lot next to the police station. The fact is only 4 people were incarcerated in 2015 for weed in MA. Law enforcement is not busting people for smoking weed on Boston Common. They have better things to do. The poor oppressed potheads and their social justice argument is 100% bullshit. We already have medical marijuana for those that claim they need it. Like my loser friend who suddenly suffers from depression or something and now has a medical marijuana card and buys his weed legally and it's better quality than the crap he used to buy. He's quite proud and amused by his deception. Medical marijuana is at least 50% scam IMO. I also have a rule on any of the ballot questions. It's usually not too difficult to figure out which side is lying the most. If I am on the fence on an issue I will side with the side that is lying the least. In the legal pot question that is clearly the NO side. Here's an example; Even though the pro-pot crowd is claiming it will be illegal to smoke it in public to assuage fears of non-smokers who might be amenable to legalized weed, that's not what the proposed law says. Basically, anywhere you are allowed to light up a cig you can spark up a blunt. I hate that smell and I don't want it in my face when I'm walking around my neighborhood or wherever. Just say NO
A lot of interesting points walk, and a lot that I agree with. -They should tax the hell out of it, or at least make sure that it pays for itself. That is, the tax should go towards the dangerously underfunded drug treatment programs, child-prevention programs, and cover any additional law enforcement cost. -I have a big problem with edibles. Do we really need our drugs to look and taste exactly like candy? If my 5-year old finds a bag of gummy bears on the floor, she'll eat them all, not just one. The people who use this stuff a lot are also the most likely people to leave their bag of drugs on the floor. Make it taste bad, and if you want to get high, that's the small price you have to pay. -The problem I have with the marijuana laws, is just that they've never worked. I think that just about every American has had pot available to them from the age of 14 on, if they want it. It's everywhere. And I just don't think it is worse for you, when abused, than alcohol or cigarettes (which will porbably kill you quicker). The government's attempt to regulate and prohibit marijuana has been a complete failure, and it has really done nothing but make criminals rich for distributing it. If you compare that to a regulated business that has quality control, pays taxes, employs people, rents properties, etc. it is hard to advocate sticking with the same system of prohibiting it, but still having it everywhere illegally. -I really do understand the concern that becoming more open with drugs seems crazy, when New England has a legitimate drug epidemic going on right now though. And if the Mass proposal is poorly written and constructed, I'd say hold out for a better one, at least. -I like the smell. I really do. I don't want it blown in my face either though.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 2, 2016 16:51:38 GMT
I have issue with the edibles as well. There have been overdose cases in California. Oh and the IRS will be on board once new state and federal laws are written. Beleive that, freakin Gestopo!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 17:12:40 GMT
Legalize:
-Weed -Gay Marriage -Make an amendment for abortion
Get the single issue voters out of the booth...get back to business.
Bower's Plan for America
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 2, 2016 18:32:38 GMT
Legalize: -Weed -Gay Marriage -Make an amendment for abortion Get the single issue voters out of the booth...get back to business. Bower's Plan for America Holy crap. We might actually agree on something, or even more than one thing. What is the world coming to? Next thing you know hab and Bruin fans might engage in genteel conversation.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 2, 2016 18:34:19 GMT
Legalize: -Weed -Gay Marriage -Make an amendment for abortion Get the single issue voters out of the booth...get back to business. Bower's Plan for America And why this will never happen? There are right wingers with religion baked in and are determined to keep it so, check out Patrick Henry college.
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Post by walktheline on Nov 2, 2016 19:16:03 GMT
Legalize: -Weed -Gay Marriage -Make an amendment for abortion Get the single issue voters out of the booth...get back to business. Bower's Plan for America And why this will never happen? There are right wingers with religion baked in and are determined to keep it so, check out Patrick Henry college. They're a shrinking number, though. And their influence on the party platform is diminishing. It doesn't currently matter, anyway, because the party is a mess. But if and when they get their act together the republican party will look quite different than what we are used to and the religious right will not have a hand on the tiller. Either that or the republican party will exist in name only. If that.
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Post by schlich on Nov 2, 2016 19:27:27 GMT
And why this will never happen? There are right wingers with religion baked in and are determined to keep it so, check out Patrick Henry college. They're a shrinking number, though. And their influence on the party platform is diminishing. It doesn't currently matter, anyway, because the party is a mess. But if and when they get their act together the republican party will look quite different than what we are used to and the religious right will not have a hand on the tiller. Either that or the republican party will exist in name only. If that. The fact that The Donald is no longer on the d-list of celebrities is a testament to the mess. Imagine where this thing would be if any of the other republican candidates were nominated. Hillary is in tatters. PS -- I already voted. I thought I'd get a week off from the obsessing. Hasn't worked out that way.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 3, 2016 0:30:40 GMT
And why this will never happen? There are right wingers with religion baked in and are determined to keep it so, check out Patrick Henry college. They're a shrinking number, though. And their influence on the party platform is diminishing. It doesn't currently matter, anyway, because the party is a mess. But if and when they get their act together the republican party will look quite different than what we are used to and the religious right will not have a hand on the tiller. Either that or the republican party will exist in name only. If that. Hoping one day the GOP returns back to the "Eisenhower Republicans", my parents GOP, some day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 0:34:45 GMT
Legalize: -Weed -Gay Marriage -Make an amendment for abortion Get the single issue voters out of the booth...get back to business. Bower's Plan for America Holy crap. We might actually agree on something, or even more than one thing. What is the world coming to? Next thing you know hab and Bruin fans might engage in genteel conversation. I'm not against these things, except for constitutional codification of abortion. Roe v Wade will do. My point is that these views are obfuscating issues that, imo, are of greater importance like the economy or national security. The economy isn't even an issue this election. It's crazy.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 4, 2016 12:01:36 GMT
What the living fuck? Giulliani anounced on Fox news that there was "something up their sleeve" 2 days before the Comey letter?
All this "crooked Clinton" shit emanates from the Clinton cash book sponsored by Breitbart who is sponsoring Trump.
These right wing lunatics got to get cleaned out of the government. Again check Patrick Henry college, the ONLY subject is government and students take an oath to Jesus at graduation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 12:28:29 GMT
What the living fuck? Giulliani anounced on Fox news that there was "something up their sleeve" 2 days before the Comey letter? All this "crooked Clinton" shit emanates from the Clinton cash book sponsored by Breitbart who is sponsoring Trump. These right wing lunatics got to get cleaned out of the government. Again check Patrick Henry college, the ONLY subject is government and students take an oath to Jesus at graduation. Take a powder...they probably have a new TV ad or some new form of marketing. All this "crooked Clinton shit" emanates from 30 years of corruption in public office.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 4, 2016 12:38:05 GMT
What the living fuck? Giulliani anounced on Fox news that there was "something up their sleeve" 2 days before the Comey letter? All this "crooked Clinton" shit emanates from the Clinton cash book sponsored by Breitbart who is sponsoring Trump. These right wing lunatics got to get cleaned out of the government. Again check Patrick Henry college, the ONLY subject is government and students take an oath to Jesus at graduation. Take a powder...they probably have a new TV ad or some new form of marketing. All this "crooked Clinton shit" emanates from 30 years of corruption in public office. What the fuck are you talking about? Stop watching Fox for 15 minutes. Rudy has knowledge of the FBI investigation in advance of the Comey letter going public. How? Either Rudy is influencing the FBI or the FBI is leaking to Rudy. One is bad, the other is worse. Start watching this at 2:15 www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-4mDUS1a9w
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 4, 2016 12:46:00 GMT
What the living fuck? Giulliani anounced on Fox news that there was "something up their sleeve" 2 days before the Comey letter? All this "crooked Clinton" shit emanates from the Clinton cash book sponsored by Breitbart who is sponsoring Trump. These right wing lunatics got to get cleaned out of the government. Again check Patrick Henry college, the ONLY subject is government and students take an oath to Jesus at graduation. Take a powder...they probably have a new TV ad or some new form of marketing. All this "crooked Clinton shit" emanates from 30 years of corruption in public office. Not a good article, but one article. www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/31/1588467/-Smelling-A-Rat-What-Did-Trump-Campaign-Giuliani-Know-When-Did-They-Know-It
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 12:58:26 GMT
Take a powder...they probably have a new TV ad or some new form of marketing. All this "crooked Clinton shit" emanates from 30 years of corruption in public office. What the fuck are you talking about? Stop watching Fox for 15 minutes. Rudy has knowledge of the FBI investigation in advance of the Comey letter going public. How? Either Rudy is influencing the FBI or the FBI is leaking to Rudy. One is bad, the other is worse. Start watching this at 2:15 www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-4mDUS1a9wSounds like you think there's a "vast right-wing conspiracy" the final stage of denial for a Clintonian stooge.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 12:59:05 GMT
Badmouths Fox...links Daily Kos. Priceless!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 13:07:10 GMT
This FBI stuff is the greatest thing since sliced bread. The DNC can kiss their chances of the House and Senate goodbye. Plus, the investigation will drag on, giving the GOP a legitimate reason not to hold hearings for an HRC Supreme Court nominee. There's really no practical reason for Hillary to be President, besides providing a sugary sweet bromide about "breaking the Glass Ceiling." Her Presidency is dead on arrival. Like I said a month or two ago, there's going to be a steady drip of info until a there's a Republican supermajority in 2018 and an impeachment.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 4, 2016 13:13:31 GMT
The DNC can kiss their chances of the House and Senate goodbye. I will save this post for Wednesday morning. Should be funny.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 4, 2016 13:15:06 GMT
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 4, 2016 13:25:49 GMT
What the fuck are you talking about? Stop watching Fox for 15 minutes. Rudy has knowledge of the FBI investigation in advance of the Comey letter going public. How? Either Rudy is influencing the FBI or the FBI is leaking to Rudy. One is bad, the other is worse. Start watching this at 2:15 www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-4mDUS1a9wSounds like you think there's a "vast right-wing conspiracy" the final stage of denial for a Clintonian stooge. Not that vast. NY FBI office. And we will see. The truth of this will come out. Pull your head out of your ass and watch real news instead of that propaganda shit.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 4, 2016 13:30:19 GMT
Sounds like you think there's a "vast right-wing conspiracy" the final stage of denial for a Clintonian stooge. Not that vast. NY FBI office. And we will see. The truth of this will come out. Pull your head out of your ass and watch real news instead of that propaganda shit. Yep, I find it very disturbing how some will still vote for a guy who: 1. is a sexual predator 2. will soon be on trial for raping a 13 year old 3. will soon be on trial for fraud (TrumpU) 4. is being leaked info by a hostile foreign power 5. is being propped up by rogue groups within the government 6. Is endorsed and helped by internal fascist and racist elements But, you know.....EMAILZ!!!!!
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