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Post by #4 Bobby Orr! GOAT! on Dec 19, 2017 4:36:23 GMT
March since 2010-11 is 11th in goals scored with 206
He is #1 in +/- with a +171 Bergie is 2nd with +157 and Z is 4th with +147---Toews +155
He is tied for 76th in PP goals(33) ...184th in PP pts 58
1st in sh goals (23) 7 more than #2...1st sh pts 31 also 7 more than 2nd
16th in GWG 36 and tied for 7th in ot goals with 8
March ..206(11th) ...402pts(30th)...528 pims ...+171,
Perry ..237G(3rd) ...468pts(17th) ..613pims ...+57,
Simmonds 187G(21st).. 354pts(53rd).. 742pims .. -50
Hartnell ..157G(37th).. 332pts(71st)..756pims..+36
E.Kane ..157G(37th) ...305pts(91st) ..551pims.. -50
Lucic ...156G(39th) ...382pts(36th) ...681pims ..+114(+68 with Bos)
Backes.. 155G(41st).. 348pts(61st) ...650pims +76
Buffy... 110G .......355pts(51st)...... 694pims -8
P.K........ 79G ......338pts(66th) .....612pims +33
Dubins ..97G........295pts(97th)....608pims ..+36
Hard to believe March carries so many penalties, plus suspensions through his 8 years in the league, yet is part of the elite in scoring and is #1 in +/- through this time. I did not include his first 20 game stint under clod's 4th line tutelage.
All this while being the 122nd with total time on ice and 221st with 808:55 pp time on ice and 111th sh time on ice 872:52
Magine all this for 6M, DS did well on this contract.
Brick said about him Berg and Z being top of the +- guys in the league for some time during the game tonight. I had to look it up, I thought Toews was way ahead
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Post by vice on Dec 19, 2017 13:04:11 GMT
Brad certainly has become a special player. His numbers look great but like Bergy it doesn't come close to telling what kind of impact they have on the game. I love that they both have that extra gear and can be game breakers. They are my favorite Duo the Bs have had, players like Cam/Oats and Peterson/Middilton(I’d love to see what players like them could do with today’s rules) has more skill but head to head I think I’d take Brad/Bergy. The fact that Marchand can get under the skin of the other team is great. But it sucks he will never get any love from the refs like other elite craybady players that play dirty. Donny did great getting him on the cheap
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Post by The OC on Dec 19, 2017 13:27:05 GMT
3rd in points/game this year.
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Post by Fletcher on Dec 19, 2017 14:29:31 GMT
He really does continue to surprise and raise expectations, as he has done at every point in his career. If you don't have him in the Patrick Kane category, you probably should.
I appreciate the vision and unselfishness too, especially from a guy who wouldn't pass much at times in his younger days. I'm certain he could have finished that late goal last night when Bobo was flailing, but he looked for Bergeron coming in as the trailer. With that said, I do hope he keeps shooting as his first instinct.
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Post by orrisgod on Dec 19, 2017 14:31:33 GMT
It has been amazing to watch him develop his skills, improve year after year. You can't question his work ethic and he's tried hard to clean up his act too. Best bargain in hockey at $6M per
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Post by chappy28 on Dec 19, 2017 15:39:01 GMT
Amazing that he has done that without PP time for most of his career. Fact is he's been one of the best for a while now and the chemistry between him and Bergeron has formed the best duo in the league for at least the last 5 years. Not often you get two guys who are just as good defensively as offensively and just always seem to be on the same page. They compliment each other's games so well its uncanny. There was probably a time where some thought that Marchand was benefiting from Bergeron's prowess, but I think at this point both have proven to be studs no matter how you look at it
We are lucky to be able to watch them for this long, and likely for another 5 years
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Post by Mutant on Dec 19, 2017 16:17:00 GMT
For all of the flak that Julien gets about his distrust of young players, he certainly changed Marchand's career trajectory by putting him with Bergeron. It was almost like Marchand absorbed some of Bergeron's DNA, becoming a better, more rounded player.
His pass to Bergy on Bergy's goal was just returning the favor for the sweet feed Bergy gave him to start the scoring last night. That play where the guy goes to the net with the puck, turns, and feeds his linemate who is skating hard to the net worked like a charm last night. So many new looks under Cassidy. I can't remember the last time this team was so much fun to watch.
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Post by barleytinking on Dec 19, 2017 16:18:48 GMT
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Post by davinator on Dec 19, 2017 17:36:32 GMT
^^^This video is one of the things I hate that have cropped up - posts by casual (non-Bruins) hockey fans that truly believe that Marchand is 'getting what he deserves'.
Sure, he has done his share of cheap shots over the years, but his cheap play I believe has greatly improved over the past 2-3 years.
No one deserves to get speared in the 'nads or elbowed in the head...well, maybe Matt Cooke or Ulf Samuelsson - for obvious reasons.
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Post by vice on Dec 19, 2017 18:47:24 GMT
For all of the flak that Julien gets about his distrust of young players, he certainly changed Marchand's career trajectory by putting him with Bergeron. It was almost like Marchand absorbed some of Bergeron's DNA, becoming a better, more rounded player. His pass to Bergy on Bergy's goal was just returning the favor for the sweet feed Bergy gave him to start the scoring last night. That play where the guy goes to the net with the puck, turns, and feeds his linemate who is skating hard to the net worked like a charm last night. So many new looks under Cassidy. I can't remember the last time this team was so much fun to watch. With out a doubt Bergy has help Brad be the horse that he is, Ricci helped a lot raining him in and helped him focus more on hockey and less on being a pest, he’s his best when you get some of both. I want the rest of the teams in the NHL to hate him, I just wish he got a little more respect from the refs. I don’t think he’ll ever drop his reputation with the refs. It’s good when the opposition just thinks of him as a pest, that’s when he makes them pay |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 19:02:02 GMT
^^^This video is one of the things I hate that have cropped up - posts by casual (non-Bruins) hockey fans that truly believe that Marchand is 'getting what he deserves'. Sure, he has done his share of cheap shots over the years, but his cheap play I believe has greatly improved over the past 2-3 years. No one deserves to get speared in the 'nads or elbowed in the head...well, maybe Matt Cooke or Ulf Samuelsson - for obvious reasons. His play on the ice has drowned the other stuff. Problem is. He will always be known for the other stuff. Which is too bad. But he created that name. |
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Post by sportsnut on Dec 19, 2017 19:05:06 GMT
Taking nothing away from Marchand, if you don't consider him a star in the league, then you don't follow the league. But like Chara, I think credit needs due, you put anyone with Bergeron for long enough and he will become a better player.
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Post by kelvana33 on Dec 19, 2017 19:11:15 GMT
^^^This video is one of the things I hate that have cropped up - posts by casual (non-Bruins) hockey fans that truly believe that Marchand is 'getting what he deserves'. Sure, he has done his share of cheap shots over the years, but his cheap play I believe has greatly improved over the past 2-3 years. No one deserves to get speared in the 'nads or elbowed in the head...well, maybe Matt Cooke or Ulf Samuelsson - for obvious reasons. His play on the ice has drowned the other stuff. Problem is. He will always be known for the other stuff. Which is too bad. But he created that name. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThlP3tNVsWQ&t=59s
This one is out there too. He has a rep, it's warranted.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 19:19:23 GMT
His play on the ice has drowned the other stuff. Problem is. He will always be known for the other stuff. Which is too bad. But he created that name. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThlP3tNVsWQ&t=59s
This one is out there too. He has a rep, it's warranted.
Yup. I just don't think you can remove the spots from the leopard. He is what he is. His play is up there with some of the best though. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 19, 2017 19:47:57 GMT
March since 2010-11 is 11th in goals scored with 206 He is #1 in +/- with a +171 Bergie is 2nd with +157 and Z is 4th with +147---Toews +155 He is tied for 76th in PP goals(33) ...184th in PP pts 58 1st in sh goals (23) 7 more than #2...1st sh pts 31 also 7 more than 2nd 16th in GWG 36 and tied for 7th in ot goals with 8 March ..206(11th) ...402pts(30th)...528 pims ...+171, Perry ..237G(3rd) ...468pts(17th) ..613pims ...+57, Simmonds 187G(21st).. 354pts(53rd).. 742pims .. -50 Hartnell ..157G(37th).. 332pts(71st)..756pims..+36 E.Kane ..157G(37th) ...305pts(91st) ..551pims.. -50 Lucic ...156G(39th) ...382pts(36th) ...681pims ..+114(+68 with Bos) Backes.. 155G(41st).. 348pts(61st) ...650pims +76 Buffy... 110G .......355pts(51st)...... 694pims -8 P.K........ 79G ......338pts(66th) .....612pims +33 Dubins ..97G........295pts(97th)....608pims ..+36 Hard to believe March carries so many penalties, plus suspensions through his 8 years in the league, yet is part of the elite in scoring and is #1 in +/- through this time. I did not include his first 20 game stint under clod's 4th line tutelage. All this while being the 122nd with total time on ice and 221st with 808:55 pp time on ice and 111th sh time on ice 872:52 Magine all this for 6M, DS did well on this contract. Brick said about him Berg and Z being top of the +- guys in the league for some time during the game tonight. I had to look it up, I thought Toews was way ahead Nice work, vice. Here's a couple of other observations: There are a couple of the guys ahead of him who have played significantly fewer games and have way more goals. Stamkos has played 80 fewer games and has 50 more goals. Crosby's played 89 fewer games and has 4 more goals. OK, that's not way more, but it's significantly fewer games. Conversely, Fat Phil has played 38 more games and has 9 more goals. So for all that Philicity has been touted for years as a guy who you just let be Phil because of how much he produces? Yeah, Marchand's done as well in terms of goals for and played gnarly D all that time. Half the guys ahead of him on that goal list have a Hart, a Richard, an Art Ross or some combination of the three. The exceptions are Phat Phil, Tavares (3rd for the Hart in 14-15), Pacioretty, and Pavelski. Over that stretch, Marchand has averaged just 1:30 in PPTOI/game. Ovechkin is at 4:11. Stamkos 3:48. Crosby 4:01. Benn 3:04, Kessel 3:31, Perry 3:09, Tavares 3:26. Basically, the top goal scorers have had twice to three times as much PPTOI as Marchand. They all have between 2x and 4x as many PPG as Marchand. Assuming that doubling his TOI on the PP would double his PPG, Marchand would move ahead of Corey Perry for 3rd in goals since his rookie season. Amazing that last year was the first time he was named to a post-season All Star Team (first), and he's never finished higher in the voting for a major award than the 12th place finish for the Calder until he was 7th for the Hart last year. He's been hiding under Bergeron's wing for a long time. I think it took him having his best offensive year in a year where Bergeron struggled to make people sit up. I also have to wonder what his totals would have looked like if the Bruins had kept that Marchand-Bergeron-Seguin line together. Marchand had 28 the first year they were together and was on a 33 goal pace in the lockout shortened year. It's possible he would have made it to the 35+ level two years earlier, giving him another 20 or so goals. |
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Post by #4 Bobby Orr! GOAT! on Dec 19, 2017 20:17:05 GMT
Vice?  ? I liked March when he was drafted. I have worked with enuf Scotians and Capers over the past few years to know his value on and off the ice He is absolutely hated by non Bruin fans everywhere, he is hated in Nova Scotia by anyone not related and probably half of them too. My understanding is that he is a douchebag there as are his family. I am not a witness but anyone I know from there hates him, but they all respect the fawking little shiites game. Hopefully another 6 years in Boston makes him a better person and he can return home and hold his nose up high. He has won everything but Olympic gold and the bobble head has denied that this year, when he would play |
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 19, 2017 20:17:37 GMT
3rd in points/game this year. I hadn't really looked but yeah - 29 in 23. If he keeps that up over the next 51 games, he'll rack 93 points and 45 goals. Others: DK's 14 points in 18 games translates to 54 points including his lost injury time. Bergeron's on pace for 65 points, even with his lost time, and 23-24 goals. Here's my favourites, though. With 21 points in 27 games, Heinen's points/per game rate would get him another 39 points over the next 51 games for a total of 60 points and 23 goals. TRIVIA TIME!!! This would be the third best rookie point total by a Bruin since 1987-88. Name the three guys with better totals. DeBrusk isn't that far behind. At his current pace over the remaining 51 games, would finish with 49 points and 20-21 goals. There are only 5 Bruins rookies in the last 30 years to top 49 points in their rookie campaigns (not including Heinen...). Name the other two! Of course, Heinen and Debrusk just might have two of the best rookie seasons in the last 30 years and still be only the second and third best rookies on the team this year given what Fatavoy is doing. And Bjork is basically looking at about a 39 point season at his current production which would tie or better a lot of guys you might be thinking about for the first two trivia questions. 39 points would be a tie for the 13th best rookie season of the last 30 years. |
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Post by vice on Dec 19, 2017 20:25:03 GMT
March since 2010-11 is 11th in goals scored with 206 He is #1 in +/- with a +171 Bergie is 2nd with +157 and Z is 4th with +147---Toews +155 He is tied for 76th in PP goals(33) ...184th in PP pts 58 1st in sh goals (23) 7 more than #2...1st sh pts 31 also 7 more than 2nd 16th in GWG 36 and tied for 7th in ot goals with 8 March ..206(11th) ...402pts(30th)...528 pims ...+171, Perry ..237G(3rd) ...468pts(17th) ..613pims ...+57, Simmonds 187G(21st).. 354pts(53rd).. 742pims .. -50 Hartnell ..157G(37th).. 332pts(71st)..756pims..+36 E.Kane ..157G(37th) ...305pts(91st) ..551pims.. -50 Lucic ...156G(39th) ...382pts(36th) ...681pims ..+114(+68 with Bos) Backes.. 155G(41st).. 348pts(61st) ...650pims +76 Buffy... 110G .......355pts(51st)...... 694pims -8 P.K........ 79G ......338pts(66th) .....612pims +33 Dubins ..97G........295pts(97th)....608pims ..+36 Hard to believe March carries so many penalties, plus suspensions through his 8 years in the league, yet is part of the elite in scoring and is #1 in +/- through this time. I did not include his first 20 game stint under clod's 4th line tutelage. All this while being the 122nd with total time on ice and 221st with 808:55 pp time on ice and 111th sh time on ice 872:52 Magine all this for 6M, DS did well on this contract. Brick said about him Berg and Z being top of the +- guys in the league for some time during the game tonight. I had to look it up, I thought Toews was way ahead Nice work, vice. Here's a couple of other observations: There are a couple of the guys ahead of him who have played significantly fewer games and have way more goals. Stamkos has played 80 fewer games and has 50 more goals. Crosby's played 89 fewer games and has 4 more goals. OK, that's not way more, but it's significantly fewer games. Conversely, Fat Phil has played 38 more games and has 9 more goals. So for all that Philicity has been touted for years as a guy who you just let be Phil because of how much he produces? Yeah, Marchand's done as well in terms of goals for and played gnarly D all that time. Half the guys ahead of him on that goal list have a Hart, a Richard, an Art Ross or some combination of the three. The exceptions are Phat Phil, Tavares (3rd for the Hart in 14-15), Pacioretty, and Pavelski. Over that stretch, Marchand has averaged just 1:30 in PPTOI/game. Ovechkin is at 4:11. Stamkos 3:48. Crosby 4:01. Benn 3:04, Kessel 3:31, Perry 3:09, Tavares 3:26. Basically, the top goal scorers have had twice to three times as much PPTOI as Marchand. They all have between 2x and 4x as many PPG as Marchand. Assuming that doubling his TOI on the PP would double his PPG, Marchand would move ahead of Corey Perry for 3rd in goals since his rookie season. Amazing that last year was the first time he was named to a post-season All Star Team (first), and he's never finished higher in the voting for a major award than the 12th place finish for the Calder until he was 7th for the Hart last year. He's been hiding under Bergeron's wing for a long time. I think it took him having his best offensive year in a year where Bergeron struggled to make people sit up. I also have to wonder what his totals would have looked like if the Bruins had kept that Marchand-Bergeron-Seguin line together. Marchand had 28 the first year they were together and was on a 33 goal pace in the lockout shortened year. It's possible he would have made it to the 35+ level two years earlier, giving him another 20 or so goals. You mean Goat? I have far to great ADD to look up and compile yours and goats like post. I never thought about Segunz departure effecting Brad/Bergys totals. Smith seemed to gel ok with them but not at the level as Saguin. Had he not been traded and Brads numbers where what they are now/last year I wonder how much Donny could have kept his paycheck down? |
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Post by vice on Dec 19, 2017 20:25:45 GMT
Vice? ? I liked March when he was drafted. I have worked with enuf Scotians and Capers over the past few years to know his value on and off the ice He is absolutely hated by non Bruin fans everywhere, he is hated in Nova Scotia by anyone not related and probably half of them too. My understanding is that he is a douchebag there as are his family. I am not a witness but anyone I know from there hates him, but they all respect the fawking little shiites game. Hopefully another 6 years in Boston makes him a better person and he can return home and hold his nose up high. He has won everything but Olympic gold and the bobble head has denied that this year, when he would play That was all you brother haha |
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Post by vice on Dec 19, 2017 20:29:05 GMT
3rd in points/game this year. I hadn't really looked but yeah - 29 in 23. If he keeps that up over the next 51 games, he'll rack 93 points and 45 goals. Others: DK's 14 points in 18 games translates to 54 points including his lost injury time. Bergeron's on pace for 65 points, even with his lost time, and 23-24 goals. Here's my favourites, though. With 21 points in 27 games, Heinen's points/per game rate would get him another 39 points over the next 51 games for a total of 60 points and 23 goals. TRIVIA TIME!!! This would be the third best rookie point total by a Bruin since 1987-88. Name the three guys with better totals. DeBrusk isn't that far behind. At his current pace over the remaining 51 games, would finish with 49 points and 20-21 goals. There are only 5 Bruins rookies in the last 30 years to top 49 points in their rookie campaigns (not including Heinen...). Name the other two! Of course, Heinen and Debrusk just might have two of the best rookie seasons in the last 30 years and still be only the second and third best rookies on the team this year given what Fatavoy is doing. And Bjork is basically looking at about a 39 point season at his current production which would tie or better a lot of guys you might be thinking about for the first two trivia questions. 39 points would be a tie for the 13th best rookie season of the last 30 years. Ken hoge Jr ? |
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Post by pletchner on Dec 19, 2017 20:48:59 GMT
3rd in points/game this year. I hadn't really looked but yeah - 29 in 23. If he keeps that up over the next 51 games, he'll rack 93 points and 45 goals. Others: DK's 14 points in 18 games translates to 54 points including his lost injury time. Bergeron's on pace for 65 points, even with his lost time, and 23-24 goals. Here's my favourites, though. With 21 points in 27 games, Heinen's points/per game rate would get him another 39 points over the next 51 games for a total of 60 points and 23 goals. TRIVIA TIME!!! This would be the third best rookie point total by a Bruin since 1987-88. Name the three guys with better totals. DeBrusk isn't that far behind. At his current pace over the remaining 51 games, would finish with 49 points and 20-21 goals. There are only 5 Bruins rookies in the last 30 years to top 49 points in their rookie campaigns (not including Heinen...). Name the other two! Of course, Heinen and Debrusk just might have two of the best rookie seasons in the last 30 years and still be only the second and third best rookies on the team this year given what Fatavoy is doing. And Bjork is basically looking at about a 39 point season at his current production which would tie or better a lot of guys you might be thinking about for the first two trivia questions. 39 points would be a tie for the 13th best rookie season of the last 30 years. I cheated, but I would have gotten one anyway. Janey and Boyes. Juneau almost works, but he had a 14 game rookie year. |
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Post by The OC on Dec 19, 2017 22:04:28 GMT
I hadn't really looked but yeah - 29 in 23. If he keeps that up over the next 51 games, he'll rack 93 points and 45 goals. Others: DK's 14 points in 18 games translates to 54 points including his lost injury time. Bergeron's on pace for 65 points, even with his lost time, and 23-24 goals. Here's my favourites, though. With 21 points in 27 games, Heinen's points/per game rate would get him another 39 points over the next 51 games for a total of 60 points and 23 goals. TRIVIA TIME!!! This would be the third best rookie point total by a Bruin since 1987-88. Name the three guys with better totals. DeBrusk isn't that far behind. At his current pace over the remaining 51 games, would finish with 49 points and 20-21 goals. There are only 5 Bruins rookies in the last 30 years to top 49 points in their rookie campaigns (not including Heinen...). Name the other two! Of course, Heinen and Debrusk just might have two of the best rookie seasons in the last 30 years and still be only the second and third best rookies on the team this year given what Fatavoy is doing. And Bjork is basically looking at about a 39 point season at his current production which would tie or better a lot of guys you might be thinking about for the first two trivia questions. 39 points would be a tie for the 13th best rookie season of the last 30 years. I cheated, but I would have gotten one anyway. Janey and Boyes. Juneau almost works, but he had a 14 game rookie year. Juneau does work, he was still a rookie. And Book said 3 guys. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 19, 2017 22:58:56 GMT
Nice work, vice. Here's a couple of other observations: Whooops. Yeah, sorry GOAT. Nice work. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 19, 2017 23:00:29 GMT
I cheated, but I would have gotten one anyway. Janey and Boyes. Juneau almost works, but he had a 14 game rookie year. Juneau does work, he was still a rookie. And Book said 3 guys. Yep. Following the NHL rule that you're still a rookie if you don't hit the minimum games for it to count as a season. |
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Post by kelvana33 on Dec 19, 2017 23:50:40 GMT
Yup. I just don't think you can remove the spots from the leopard. He is what he is. His play is up there with some of the best though. One of the best players in the league, and he is one of the dirtiest players in the league. Don't see that combo anymore. |
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