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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jun 26, 2015 14:42:41 GMT
That's a good point Nite, trade one of them so you can sign the other.
Cannot keep them both.
Moving Seidenberg is a dumb idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 14:47:47 GMT
Fletch Our roster stunk last year. Someone has to go. Period! We have too much money tied up in players that are very similar in DK n Bergie. We have dougie and lucic wanting money. We have 3m 4th line centers. You can't have it all. We don't have the money to pay everyone. Highest point total to miss the playoffs EVER. All while missing their number one d man, and top offensive center for much of the year. Get some perspective man I watched a very lifeless team that failed to make the playoffs. I'm ok with changing the look of the team. |
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 26, 2015 14:49:14 GMT
Maybe Sweeney's planB is Morrow LOL... he saw him a lot in Prov. Can he play 20 mins a night and put up 40-45 points in the NHL...because he will need to if this deal goes through |
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 26, 2015 14:50:11 GMT
That's a good point Nite, trade one of them so you can sign the other. Cannot keep them both. Moving Seidenberg is a dumb idea. Yes, please keep an aging vet with a bum knee and decreasing offensive game in favour of a 20 year old who will only get better. Seems like a solid game plan to me  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 14:51:51 GMT
Maybe Sweeney's planB is Morrow LOL... he saw him a lot in Prov. Can he play 20 mins a night and put up 40-45 points in the NHL...because he will need to if this deal goes through Why. Maybe he can play 20 mins and put up 25pts but play much bigger better def then Dougie. |
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Post by Bslegion on Jun 26, 2015 14:52:36 GMT
Maybe Sweeney's planB is Morrow LOL... he saw him a lot in Prov. Can he play 20 mins a night and put up 40-45 points in the NHL...because he will need to if this deal goes through
The answer is no, that's why Morrow is a plan B , not a planA . If Hamilton is traded they will need another defense to step in and that would have to come via trade. Maybe not a guy that puts offensive numbers but a guy that is solid in the back. Something like Seidenberg was before he was traded to Florida.
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Post by Bslegion on Jun 26, 2015 14:54:21 GMT
Can he play 20 mins a night and put up 40-45 points in the NHL...because he will need to if this deal goes through Why. Maybe he can play 20 mins and put up 25pts but play much bigger better def then Dougie.
we think alike when speaking of defense. I just said something with that line.
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Post by The OC on Jun 26, 2015 14:54:23 GMT
I think Dougie is worth $6.5 per year, but it doesn't mean it's the best way to spend money. I'd be good with it, but if you commit to him something else needs to go.
If Dougie is dealt in this rumored deal, it's a lot like the Kessel trade scenario. You have two similar players (DK/Kessel) (Krug/Hammy), one that has both higher salary demands and trade value and the other that is cheaper, less known but also contributes arguably as much to the team. Deal the high profile one for younger talent that can provide depth, and use the savings to sign someone. The savings on Dougie (and Savard) could mean say... signing Justin Williams and McQuaid for example, and possibly also keeping Loui.
If dealing Dougie meant:
Loui-DK-Williams
March-PB-Smith
Lucic-Spoon-Pasta
Talbot-Kelly-Connolly
Chara-McQuaid
Seidz-Hanifin/Morrow
Krug-Miller
Rask
Do you like that team?
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 26, 2015 14:56:47 GMT
Can he play 20 mins a night and put up 40-45 points in the NHL...because he will need to if this deal goes through
The answer is no, that's why Morrow is a plan B , not a planA . If Hamilton is traded they will need another defense to step in and that would have to come via trade. Maybe not a guy that puts offensive numbers but a guy that is solid in the back. Something like Seidenberg was before he was traded to Florida.
Maybe DS will use the "cap space" to trade for Brian Campbell out of FLA. And watch NAS' head explode lol |
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Post by The OC on Jun 26, 2015 14:57:06 GMT
It's worth noting that for all his scoring, the Bruins did as well or better without him in the lineup. And he was a minus-3 when he was in.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 26, 2015 14:58:48 GMT
The answer is no, that's why Morrow is a plan B , not a planA . If Hamilton is traded they will need another defense to step in and that would have to come via trade. Maybe not a guy that puts offensive numbers but a guy that is solid in the back. Something like Seidenberg was before he was traded to Florida.
Maybe DS will use the "cap space" to trade for Brian Campbell out of FLA. And watch NAS' head explode lol It will have already exploded after the B's get rid of Fat! Something else will have to give. |
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 26, 2015 15:01:17 GMT
Maybe DS will use the "cap space" to trade for Brian Campbell out of FLA. And watch NAS' head explode lol It will have already exploded after the B's get rid of Fat! Something else will have to give. another appendage I suppose.
and no way Hanifan (if the B's do draft him) is starting next season so the d at present is:
Chara-Krug??
Seids-??
Miller-Trotman/Morrow
More Providence B's than NHLers there. You are right, something has to give or DS maybe going for full re-build.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jun 26, 2015 15:01:10 GMT
That's a good point Nite, trade one of them so you can sign the other. Cannot keep them both. Moving Seidenberg is a dumb idea. Yes, please keep an aging vet with a bum knee and decreasing offensive game in favour of a 20 year old who will only get better. Seems like a solid game plan to me Seidenberg was in Boston for his offense ? 1st tim I have heard offense being so prominent in Seids game. Knee was fine by the end of the year...without a doubt. |
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Jun 26, 2015 15:02:08 GMT
Highest point total to miss the playoffs EVER. All while missing their number one d man, and top offensive center for much of the year. Get some perspective man I watched a very lifeless team that failed to make the playoffs. I'm ok with changing the look of the team. Changing the look of the team and trading arguably your biggest asset for a draft pick are two very different things. As I said, perspective |
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 26, 2015 15:02:11 GMT
It's worth noting that for all his scoring, the Bruins did as well or better without him in the lineup. And he was a minus-3 when he was in. And Miller led the team in +/-
Better give him 7mill
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 26, 2015 15:03:34 GMT
Yes, please keep an aging vet with a bum knee and decreasing offensive game in favour of a 20 year old who will only get better. Seems like a solid game plan to me Seidenberg was in Boston for his offense ? 1st tim I have heard offense being so prominent in Seids game. Knee was fine by the end of the year...without a doubt. offense is more than points of course. Leading a rush, crisp outlet passes, keeping the puck in the O zone...he was pretty effective at this earlier in his career.
as for the age and knee, we will find out soon enough in the upcoming season
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Post by seobrien on Jun 26, 2015 15:04:22 GMT
Again, I've absolutely no idea who or what you're responding to with the bolded comments above. Definitely not me. I thought we were talking specifically about Lucic and Hamilton and the notion of sending them packing because they want big contracts. Obviously, I was fine with letting Boychuk go, letting Soderberg go, moving Kelly if you can, and I've noted several times that I could see trading Krejci. All of that is for cap space and flexibility. But you have to keep someone, and I'd start with the guys that are harder for you to replace. The defense in particular is thin. Hamilton might actually be worth more to the Bruins than a lot of other clubs. And if you decide that you must trade him -- get something useful back. Not a draft pick and 'cap space'. Cap space doesn't win games. Players do, and good ones are expensive. I'm not trading Lucic for cap space. I'm trading dougie for cap space. Lucic was being rumored about for Yandle that's why I mentioned him. So if an offer sheet for dougie is 7+ u r matching? And for those of you who think dougie wouldn't wanna play in the sun you are crazy. Boston is my favorite place on earth but very few players place the same value. He'd leave in a minute for more cash as we all would. You keep mentioning Yandle but he plays for the Rangers now |
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jun 26, 2015 15:04:23 GMT
I think Dougie is worth $6.5 per year, but it doesn't mean it's the best way to spend money. I'd be good with it, but if you commit to him something else needs to go. If Dougie is dealt in this rumored deal, it's a lot like the Kessel trade scenario. You have two similar players (DK/Kessel) (Krug/Hammy), one that has both higher salary demands and trade value and the other that is cheaper, less known but also contributes arguably as much to the team. Deal the high profile one for younger talent that can provide depth, and use the savings to sign someone. The savings on Dougie (and Savard) could mean say... signing Justin Williams and McQuaid for example, and possibly also keeping Loui. If dealing Dougie meant: Loui-DK-Williams March-PB-Smith Lucic-Spoon-Pasta Talbot-Kelly-Connolly Chara-McQuaid Seidz-Hanifin/Morrow Krug-Miller Rask Do you like that team? I would move Kelly out as well so you have money for a Veteren Dman at the deadline. Other than keeping Kelly I like that lineup a lot. |
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Post by stevegm on Jun 26, 2015 15:08:19 GMT
Savards cap space shouldn't be an issue. You can bank on his unavailability, so his money is there to spend right out of the gate. IMO, Savard's contract is something to be leveraged.
I've written plenty about DH, and so far, I think he has a fair way to go, to match even the accolades he's getting to this point. Having said that...he's currently bonafide NHL caliber d-man, with a lot of potential.
I'm not interested in the 19/20 Bruins, I'm interested in the now. If they want to deal DH, great. Same as any other player. I just hope there's something substantial for next year. Otherwise, it's rebuild, and if that's the case, everyone over 28 should be on the block too.
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Post by Lord Markwart on Jun 26, 2015 15:09:39 GMT
Seems like they'd use the #3 pick for Hanafin and then desperately hope that in 4 years he becomes as good as Hamilton. So, a 'no thanks' for me. I keep hearing that Hanifin is better than Ekblad. If this is true it's a big "YES PLEASE" for me. Problem is that by the time this new Dman is good to great, Chara is retired and Bergeron is in his mid 30s. Unless it is part of a bigger overhaul, then no thanks for me. |
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Post by cowboys9 on Jun 26, 2015 15:12:23 GMT
I don't think from the comments I have heard from Sweeney so far indicates to me Hamilton is going anywhere. How many young talents has this team given up on and not shown the patience needed by an organization? Why would he want this to continue? All this talk of $7m is insane. I personally don't think it gets to that number. Bruins need to keep Hamilton period. He is too far along in the development stage with the Bruins. Drafting a young kid to replace him and having to wait another 4 years to develop is crazy. A step back.... You are talking rebuild and you might as well turn over some of the core guys as well. Sweeney has a plan and that is to sign him , and I am sure he signs Hamilton before July 1st . This kid is going to be a star, he is still learning. Like Sweeney said " he is a foundational player"
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Jun 26, 2015 15:12:26 GMT
Tommy cross is plan b
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Post by badhabitude on Jun 26, 2015 15:12:49 GMT
Hamilton might turn out to be a HOF defenseman.
And 7 mil a year might be a bargain.
Then again, that might not happen at all.
Most likely, he continues to produce at this year's level - which is good, but not 7 mil good.
So want to gamble on his future?
When finances are involved, betting is for idiots. You have to go with what you know, and right now I know Hamilton isn't worth 7 mil.
And I also know that Hannafin isn't as good as Hamilton is right now, maybe later he might be better - or worse. Another bet I would rather not take.
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Post by The OC on Jun 26, 2015 15:14:21 GMT
I think Dougie is worth $6.5 per year, but it doesn't mean it's the best way to spend money. I'd be good with it, but if you commit to him something else needs to go. If Dougie is dealt in this rumored deal, it's a lot like the Kessel trade scenario. You have two similar players (DK/Kessel) (Krug/Hammy), one that has both higher salary demands and trade value and the other that is cheaper, less known but also contributes arguably as much to the team. Deal the high profile one for younger talent that can provide depth, and use the savings to sign someone. The savings on Dougie (and Savard) could mean say... signing Justin Williams and McQuaid for example, and possibly also keeping Loui. If dealing Dougie meant: Loui-DK-Williams March-PB-Smith Lucic-Spoon-Pasta Talbot-Kelly-Connolly Chara-McQuaid Seidz-Hanifin/Morrow Krug-Miller Rask Do you like that team? I would move Kelly out as well so you have money for a Veteren Dman at the deadline. Other than keeping Kelly I like that lineup a lot. Yeah, someone else would go for me too. I didn't do the math but I think that roster would still be a bit costly. Loui or Kelly would see the door for me with a young player coming in and Connolly moving up the line and Ferlin coming in. I liked Ferlin. It would be fun for Boston to have cap room again though. |
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jun 26, 2015 15:15:03 GMT
Seidenberg was in Boston for his offense ? 1st tim I have heard offense being so prominent in Seids game. Knee was fine by the end of the year...without a doubt. offense is more than points of course. Leading a rush, crisp outlet passes, keeping the puck in the O zone...he was pretty effective at this earlier in his career.
as for the age and knee, we will find out soon enough in the upcoming season
I don't think that is how Seidenberg is graded on what is exected of him. But the fact his offense was just as good as Boychuk's, while in Boston, is a bonus. |
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