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Post by NAS on Jul 3, 2018 13:07:05 GMT
Problem with discussions of using Krug as your center piece for a trade that nets Panarin is the BJs have Wrenski and Jones already. Me thinks Krug and McQuaid are going to be traded out in seperate trades. There are a ton of teams that need a offense from there dmen. Question is which of those teams has a real good RW that could fit with Krejci. The problem with using Krug as the center piece for a trade that nets Panarin is that it's dumb as all get out.
That's like trying to trade your Acura for a Bentley. The Acura is a nice car. Ford owners wish they had one. It's not getting you a Bentley, however.
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Post by NAS on Jul 3, 2018 13:10:15 GMT
Debrusk-DK-Donato
If that's the second line, the team is in trouble.
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Post by The OC on Jul 3, 2018 13:38:59 GMT
Problem with discussions of using Krug as your center piece for a trade that nets Panarin is the BJs have Wrenski and Jones already. Me thinks Krug and McQuaid are going to be traded out in seperate trades. There are a ton of teams that need a offense from there dmen. Question is which of those teams has a real good RW that could fit with Krejci. The problem with using Krug as the center piece for a trade that nets Panarin is that it's dumb as all get out.
That's like trying to trade your Acura for a Bentley. The Acura is a nice car. Ford owners wish they had one. It's not getting you a Bentley, however.
Sorta, but you only have a one-year lease on the Bentley and if you don’t settle for something in a trade before the year is up you’ll have nothing to drive. And nobody wants to bum rides with Nite in his Stinger.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 3, 2018 14:23:23 GMT
I think the strongest reason to go this route is that I don’t know who inherits Riley’s role as the bottom six guy who can do a yeoman’s job of stepping into the top six when needed. If the top six is Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak, DeBrusk, Krejci, Heinen, then the third line will have two of those options in Backes and Donato but Backes is slowing and Donato has a long way to go. I would love it if they could get Stone. They won’t. I think he’s the only untouchable in Ottawa - other than kids like Chabot and White. Nash is a very significant loss. I don’t think they should have resigned a guy who exploded in a contract year, but you can’t pretend a 41 point season with great 2-way game didn’t happen. Ottawa doesn’t get a choice with Mark Stone. He’s 26, RFA and one year from UFA. No way he signs long term to play hockey in that dumpster. Go to his agent, say you’re going to make a big offer for his rights and are prepared to offer a big 8-year contract. Then you make a real good offer to Ottawa. Krug, Bjork, Zboril, a first. If they don’t want Krug, flip him for a first and a young player and include that in the offer. Their GM sucks, but he’s going to figure out quickly that a 26 year old first line forward won’t want to play in a massive, headless rebuild. I like the idea of going the Burke route, but the Senioritas have the leverage of calling your bluff and they may say "go ahead and offer sheet him. Whatever you put down, we match...or we take your next four firsts if you go really stupid." I think they have to keep Stone and Duchene or the fans will revolt en masse. They will already have a massive challenge seling tickets without Karlsson.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jul 3, 2018 14:31:03 GMT
I still think there is a move or two to be made. The Moore signing allows them to trade a d-man or even two. Clearly Sweeney recognizes they need a top 6 forward, he went after Kovalchuk and Tavares, now I think he explores the trade route. It will take some time but I think he makes a move and brings in a top 6 player.
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Post by The OC on Jul 3, 2018 14:33:28 GMT
Nash is a very significant loss. I don’t think they should have resigned a guy who exploded in a contract year, but you can’t pretend a 41 point season with great 2-way game didn’t happen. Ottawa doesn’t get a choice with Mark Stone. He’s 26, RFA and one year from UFA. No way he signs long term to play hockey in that dumpster. Go to his agent, say you’re going to make a big offer for his rights and are prepared to offer a big 8-year contract. Then you make a real good offer to Ottawa. Krug, Bjork, Zboril, a first. If they don’t want Krug, flip him for a first and a young player and include that in the offer. Their GM sucks, but he’s going to figure out quickly that a 26 year old first line forward won’t want to play in a massive, headless rebuild. I like the idea of going the Burke route, but the Senioritas have the leverage of calling your bluff and they may say "go ahead and offer sheet him. Whatever you put down, we match...or we take your next four firsts if you go really stupid." I think they have to keep Stone and Duchene or the fans will revolt en masse. They will already have a massive challenge seling tickets without Karlsson. You’re not bluffing to the Sens. You’re just letting Stone know his future is bright elsewhere. He can wait a year, or he can be difficult with the Sens and make it happen now. Ottawa doesn’t get the choice. They can deal him, or lose him for nothing in 2019. I would make a big offer to motivate them. Include Senyshyn too, you won’t need him if Pastrnak and Stone will be here for a decade.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jul 3, 2018 14:36:22 GMT
Nash is a very significant loss. I don’t think they should have resigned a guy who exploded in a contract year, but you can’t pretend a 41 point season with great 2-way game didn’t happen. Ottawa doesn’t get a choice with Mark Stone. He’s 26, RFA and one year from UFA. No way he signs long term to play hockey in that dumpster. Go to his agent, say you’re going to make a big offer for his rights and are prepared to offer a big 8-year contract. Then you make a real good offer to Ottawa. Krug, Bjork, Zboril, a first. If they don’t want Krug, flip him for a first and a young player and include that in the offer. Their GM sucks, but he’s going to figure out quickly that a 26 year old first line forward won’t want to play in a massive, headless rebuild. I like the idea of going the Burke route, but the Senioritas have the leverage of calling your bluff and they may say "go ahead and offer sheet him. Whatever you put down, we match...or we take your next four firsts if you go really stupid." I think they have to keep Stone and Duchene or the fans will revolt en masse. They will already have a massive challenge seling tickets without Karlsson. Hasn't that happened already? Didn't they already put up some billboards asking for Melnyk to hit the bricks? I think they're more than fed up with all the shenanigans.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jul 3, 2018 14:38:28 GMT
Problem with discussions of using Krug as your center piece for a trade that nets Panarin is the BJs have Wrenski and Jones already. Me thinks Krug and McQuaid are going to be traded out in seperate trades. There are a ton of teams that need a offense from there dmen. Question is which of those teams has a real good RW that could fit with Krejci. The problem with using Krug as the center piece for a trade that nets Panarin is that it's dumb as all get out.
That's like trying to trade your Acura for a Bentley. The Acura is a nice car. Ford owners wish they had one. It's not getting you a Bentley, however.
Except no one, outside of blind luck or taking advantage of a meathead GM, has ever traded an Acura straight up for a Bentley. Krug is much better than the exagerated equivalent of an Acura. Besides Bentley’s are for ol farts to cruise Pacific Palisades. Krug has a ton of worth and Moore just made Torey expendable.
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Post by islamorada on Jul 3, 2018 14:38:51 GMT
Mark Stone for Krug, Bjork, Zboril, Sensation, and a 1st. The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get..... if you were from Massachusetts I would say you are enjoying legalization of THC.
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Post by The OC on Jul 3, 2018 14:42:25 GMT
Mark Stone for Krug, Bjork, Zboril, Sensation, and a 1st. The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get..... if you were from Massachusetts I would say you are enjoying legalization of THC. Do you think that’s to much or too little for Stone?
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Post by NAS on Jul 3, 2018 14:48:49 GMT
The problem with using Krug as the center piece for a trade that nets Panarin is that it's dumb as all get out.
That's like trying to trade your Acura for a Bentley. The Acura is a nice car. Ford owners wish they had one. It's not getting you a Bentley, however.
Except no one, outside of blind luck or taking advantage of a meathead GM, has ever traded an Acura straight up for a Bentley. Krug is much better than the exagerated equivalent of an Acura. Besides Bentley’s are for ol farts to cruise Pacific Palisades. Krug has a ton of worth and Moore just made Torey expendable. Krug is a good player. He has a lot of value. He's not a Panarin one for one guy, however, and there isn't much you could add in to make it a deal outside of blowing them the fuck away with multiple first rounders.
Down here the Rolls are for cruising. Bentleys are the choice for money men in their 30s.
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Post by islamorada on Jul 3, 2018 14:50:01 GMT
Mark Stone for Krug, Bjork, Zboril, Sensation, and a 1st. The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get..... if you were from Massachusetts I would say you are enjoying legalization of THC. Do you think that’s to much or too little for Stone? Neal signed for 5.75 for 5 years. He had 26 goals and 42 points. Stone has never has scored more than 26 goals. Good player but wow Krug, three prospects and a 1st. I don't what to say....
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Post by The OC on Jul 3, 2018 15:04:37 GMT
Do you think that’s to much or too little for Stone? Neal signed for 5.75 for 5 years. He had 26 goals and 42 points. Stone has never has scored more than 26 goals. Good player but wow Krug, three prospects and a 1st. I don't what to say.... Stone is also 6’4”, 220, and was over a point a game last year. 26. Excellent defensively and almost as annoying to play against as Marchand. Dude is the total package. If you think my offer is too much, we’re in the ball park. Do it and sign him for $7.5/8
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jul 3, 2018 15:15:21 GMT
Except no one, outside of blind luck or taking advantage of a meathead GM, has ever traded an Acura straight up for a Bentley. Krug is much better than the exagerated equivalent of an Acura. Besides Bentley’s are for ol farts to cruise Pacific Palisades. Krug has a ton of worth and Moore just made Torey expendable. Krug is a good player. He has a lot of value. He's not a Panarin one for one guy, however, and there isn't much you could add in to make it a deal outside of blowing them the fuck away with multiple first rounders.
Down here the Rolls are for cruising. Bentleys are the choice for money men in their 30s.
No matter who the BJs trade with it will be a really really good NHL player, 50-60 dman, + a high end prospect and some draft picks coming back for Panarin. Krug just isn’t a good match for Columbus becuase they have two great puck movers. Sweeney should be looking elsewhere but use Krug as part of the deal. Money men in California drive Lamborghinis and Ferrari’s. Retired curmudgeon hedge fund managers drive Bentley’s in Florida. Drinking Perrier while listening to Neil Sedaka or Perry Como.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jul 3, 2018 15:22:25 GMT
Except no one, outside of blind luck or taking advantage of a meathead GM, has ever traded an Acura straight up for a Bentley. Krug is much better than the exagerated equivalent of an Acura. Besides Bentley’s are for ol farts to cruise Pacific Palisades. Krug has a ton of worth and Moore just made Torey expendable. Krug is a good player. He has a lot of value. He's not a Panarin one for one guy, however, and there isn't much you could add in to make it a deal outside of blowing them the fuck away with multiple first rounders.
Down here the Rolls are for cruising. Bentleys are the choice for money men in their 30s.
Agreed. I'll never understand why people are so quick to minimize him or get rid of him. Has a good contract too. Yes he's undersized, no he will not win a Norris, but skating? Elite. Shooting? Elite. Passing? Elite. Also, and I love this and wish there was a stat for it, but he is one of if not the best in the league at keeping the puck in the zone especially on the PP. He kept pucks in the zone that 99% of other d-men don't keep in and off the top of my head can recall a few times where a goal followed it. Love his game under Cassidy and I think his defense has improved as well.
Would Columbus trade him straight up for Panarin? Like you said, no, and like San mentioned they also have Werenski and Jones. Same with Carolina, they have Hamilton and Faulk so you cannot make that deal 1 for 1 for Skinner. I think Edmonton would straight up for Nugent-Hopkins.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 3, 2018 16:48:34 GMT
Mark Stone for Krug, Bjork, Zboril, Sensation, and a 1st. The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get..... if you were from Massachusetts I would say you are enjoying legalization of THC. Do you think that’s to much or too little for Stone? Secret answer C: both. You're giving up your top D prospect, your top scoring D, a high first rounder who has been slow to develop, a fourth rounder who has NHL experience and picks. That's a lot of your future, especially if Griz can't put up 35+ taking some of the scoring burden Krug leaves. And Stone may be worth more. You could yeah, but every one of those players if you're a Sens exec. Krug scores but he can't defend - they have Chris Wideman as their Griz already. Zboril was passed by the guy they took in Chabot. Senyshyn hasn't shown a ton. Bjork is overachieving and the Bruin first would be a second back in 1990. You might get some mileage from Senyshyn being local and reuniting Sea Dog blueline partners.
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Post by islamorada on Jul 3, 2018 17:05:35 GMT
Krug is a good player. He has a lot of value. He's not a Panarin one for one guy, however, and there isn't much you could add in to make it a deal outside of blowing them the fuck away with multiple first rounders.
Down here the Rolls are for cruising. Bentleys are the choice for money men in their 30s.
No matter who the BJs trade with it will be a really really good NHL player, 50-60 dman, + a high end prospect and some draft picks coming back for Panarin. Krug just isn’t a good match for Columbus becuase they have two great puck movers. Sweeney should be looking elsewhere but use Krug as part of the deal. Money men in California drive Lamborghinis and Ferrari’s. Retired curmudgeon hedge fund managers drive Bentley’s in Florida. Drinking Perrier while listening to Neil Sedaka or Perry Como. Retired teachers in NH live off of their pensions much to the dismay of just about everyone, drive 12 year old Toyota Tundras, lives with a younger woman, drinks copious amounts of Tuckerman's pale ale, and listens to Cracker or better yet in today's postings Joe Walsh. I think you have a pretty good grasp of CBJs need on defense, so Carlo, Donato, other propects, and draft picks might do it. I did not think he was that good a few years ago but he certainly is like Patrick Kane.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jul 3, 2018 17:08:26 GMT
No matter who the BJs trade with it will be a really really good NHL player, 50-60 dman, + a high end prospect and some draft picks coming back for Panarin. Krug just isn’t a good match for Columbus becuase they have two great puck movers. Sweeney should be looking elsewhere but use Krug as part of the deal. Money men in California drive Lamborghinis and Ferrari’s. Retired curmudgeon hedge fund managers drive Bentley’s in Florida. Drinking Perrier while listening to Neil Sedaka or Perry Como. Retired teachers in NH live off of their pensions much to the dismay of just about everyone, drive 12 year old Toyota Tundras, lives with a younger woman, drinks copious amounts of Tuckerman's pale ale, and listens to Cracker or better yet in today's postings Joe Walsh. I think you have a pretty good grasp of CBJs need on defense, so Carlo, Donato, other propects, and draft picks might do it. I did not think he was that good a few years ago but he certainly is like Patrick Kane. I think he's more Pastrnak than Kane, especially being right handed. if I had to make a comparison. One player reminds me of Kane it's Teravainen. They look exactly alike when they are skating with the puck.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 3, 2018 17:50:25 GMT
I like the idea of going the Burke route, but the Senioritas have the leverage of calling your bluff and they may say "go ahead and offer sheet him. Whatever you put down, we match...or we take your next four firsts if you go really stupid." I think they have to keep Stone and Duchene or the fans will revolt en masse. They will already have a massive challenge seling tickets without Karlsson. You’re not bluffing to the Sens. You’re just letting Stone know his future is bright elsewhere. He can wait a year, or he can be difficult with the Sens and make it happen now. Ottawa doesn’t get the choice. They can deal him, or lose him for nothing in 2019. I would make a big offer to motivate them. Include Senyshyn too, you won’t need him if Pastrnak and Stone will be here for a decade. The other part of this is that the Sens aren't going to just resign and sign him to a one year deal just because Stone likes the deal you want to give him. If you tried this on me, I would make a decent offer to Stone (something I would do anyway) and let him sit on it. You tell him you respect his wish to move on, but that you can't deal him in the division for the good of the franchise, that you plan to make him the next captain, that you think he is the cornerstone of who they want the team to be. I doubt he will want to sit all year just to force his way out of town. So then you're all playing chicken. How long does Boston merely threaten an offer sheet to force a trade? And if another team gets wind, how long before they say to Dorion, hey, listen, we think Stone's a great player - don't deal him without talking to us first because I bet we can top Boston's offer. I think if Ottawa has any stones whatsoever, there are a lot of outcomes other than Stone to Boston for Krug, prospects and picks. 1. He signs an offer sheet and Ottawa matches. 2. He signs an offer sheet and Ottawa takes the picks. 3. Ottawa decides they don't like either of those options and invite offers on the player - and Boston's isn't the top offer. 4. Ottawa likes the offer and is willing to move him as part of their rebuild, but want a top 6 forward, not Krug (they have Chabot, Wideman, Wolanin and even Ceci to some degree who can give them production from the blueline).
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 3, 2018 17:52:26 GMT
Retired teachers in NH live off of their pensions much to the dismay of just about everyone, drive 12 year old Toyota Tundras, lives with a younger woman, drinks copious amounts of Tuckerman's pale ale, and listens to Cracker or better yet in today's postings Joe Walsh. I think you have a pretty good grasp of CBJs need on defense, so Carlo, Donato, other propects, and draft picks might do it. I did not think he was that good a few years ago but he certainly is like Patrick Kane. I think he's more Pastrnak than Kane, especially being right handed. if I had to make a comparison. One player reminds me of Kane it's Teravainen. They look exactly alike when they are skating with the puck. Because that's how player to player comparisons work - who looks like the other guy when carrying the puck. I wonder if that's why Tampa drafted Brett Lindros? "Are you kidding!? He looks just like Eric!"
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Post by islamorada on Jul 3, 2018 17:59:00 GMT
I think he's more Pastrnak than Kane, especially being right handed. if I had to make a comparison. One player reminds me of Kane it's Teravainen. They look exactly alike when they are skating with the puck. Because that's how player to player comparisons work - who looks like the other guy when carrying the puck. I wonder if that's why Tampa drafted Brett Lindros? "Are you kidding!? He looks just like Eric!" Ha, I was just going to post that Stone is like a rich man’s Lucic in his mid twenties. I would not go with OC’s handle on the trade. So I would not take option a, b, or c. None of the above.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Jul 3, 2018 18:21:23 GMT
I think the strongest reason to go this route is that I don’t know who inherits Riley’s role as the bottom six guy who can do a yeoman’s job of stepping into the top six when needed. If the top six is Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak, DeBrusk, Krejci, Heinen, then the third line will have two of those options in Backes and Donato but Backes is slowing and Donato has a long way to go. I would love it if they could get Stone. They won’t. I think he’s the only untouchable in Ottawa - other than kids like Chabot and White. Nash is a very significant loss. I don’t think they should have resigned a guy who exploded in a contract year, but you can’t pretend a 41 point season with great 2-way game didn’t happen. Ottawa doesn’t get a choice with Mark Stone. He’s 26, RFA and one year from UFA. No way he signs long term to play hockey in that dumpster. Go to his agent, say you’re going to make a big offer for his rights and are prepared to offer a big 8-year contract. Then you make a real good offer to Ottawa. Krug, Bjork, Zboril, a first. If they don’t want Krug, flip him for a first and a young player and include that in the offer. Their GM sucks, but he’s going to figure out quickly that a 26 year old first line forward won’t want to play in a massive, headless rebuild. I agree that stone would be an excellent guy to target, but I have a couple issues with this trade. i think trading zboril now is selling low, and I think he'll be a good NHL player that's worth much much more in 2 years. I also don't think they should go consecutive years without a first round pick, but hell, if it gets you stone, then why not. i think Krug has enough perceived value that you offer Krug, bjork, and a second, and hope stone gives them enough shit in negotiations that they take it.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Jul 3, 2018 18:24:59 GMT
Nash is a very significant loss. I don’t think they should have resigned a guy who exploded in a contract year, but you can’t pretend a 41 point season with great 2-way game didn’t happen. Ottawa doesn’t get a choice with Mark Stone. He’s 26, RFA and one year from UFA. No way he signs long term to play hockey in that dumpster. Go to his agent, say you’re going to make a big offer for his rights and are prepared to offer a big 8-year contract. Then you make a real good offer to Ottawa. Krug, Bjork, Zboril, a first. If they don’t want Krug, flip him for a first and a young player and include that in the offer. Their GM sucks, but he’s going to figure out quickly that a 26 year old first line forward won’t want to play in a massive, headless rebuild. I like the idea of going the Burke route, but the Senioritas have the leverage of calling your bluff and they may say "go ahead and offer sheet him. Whatever you put down, we match...or we take your next four firsts if you go really stupid." I think they have to keep Stone and Duchene or the fans will revolt en masse. They will already have a massive challenge seling tickets without Karlsson. The issue for the Sens is that this isn't dougie or kessel. The players current management can't say "whatever, we've got literally four years to work out a deal at a higher value." If stone is sick of it, he can say "trade me or take me to arbitration, and then I'm gone." If he's gets a one year arbitration deal, his value is much less than it is with no deal at all and RFA rights
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jul 3, 2018 18:27:32 GMT
No matter who the BJs trade with it will be a really really good NHL player, 50-60 dman, + a high end prospect and some draft picks coming back for Panarin. Krug just isn’t a good match for Columbus becuase they have two great puck movers. Sweeney should be looking elsewhere but use Krug as part of the deal. Money men in California drive Lamborghinis and Ferrari’s. Retired curmudgeon hedge fund managers drive Bentley’s in Florida. Drinking Perrier while listening to Neil Sedaka or Perry Como. Retired teachers in NH live off of their pensions much to the dismay of just about everyone, drive 12 year old Toyota Tundras, lives with a younger woman, drinks copious amounts of Tuckerman's pale ale, and listens to Cracker or better yet in today's postings Joe Walsh. I think you have a pretty good grasp of CBJs need on defense, so Carlo, Donato, other propects, and draft picks might do it. I did not think he was that good a few years ago but he certainly is like Patrick Kane. Don’t care about what retired teachers live off of. Has nothing to do with what NAS were talking about. Except Sweeney isn’t giving up Carlo. So if Columbus demands Brandon then the negotiations stop there. Panarin has always been good and that’s why teams pay good european scouts well like PJ Axelsson (Lauko Gem!).
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Post by islamorada on Jul 3, 2018 18:51:25 GMT
Retired teachers in NH live off of their pensions much to the dismay of just about everyone, drive 12 year old Toyota Tundras, lives with a younger woman, drinks copious amounts of Tuckerman's pale ale, and listens to Cracker or better yet in today's postings Joe Walsh. I think you have a pretty good grasp of CBJs need on defense, so Carlo, Donato, other propects, and draft picks might do it. I did not think he was that good a few years ago but he certainly is like Patrick Kane. Don’t care about what retired teachers live off of. Has nothing to do with what NAS were talking about. Except Sweeney isn’t giving up Carlo. So if Columbus demands Brandon then the negotiations stop there. Panarin has always been good and that’s why teams pay good european scouts well like PJ Axelsson (Lauko Gem!). Bentley’s and Rolls are not hockey SanDog. Nor is the hedge fund comments or old fahts in Palm beach. So my comment is taken in that light. I’m not sure you are correct on Carlo, not his fault but two playoffs DNP. He has great promise but I’m not ready to say he is a beast. Absolutely correct on Axelsson, I don’t know if you know but who insisted adamant that the Bs draft Pastrnak. Was it Axelsson?
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