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Post by sandogbrewin on May 31, 2023 22:40:34 GMT
Then again, maybe Sway wants to see the money now and is willing to play hardball…. Guys with less impressive cvs have been getting the big bucks…. Some GMs are stupid. That should mean nothing to Sweeney. All that should matter to Sweeney is that he gets Swayman signed to a contract that doesn't hurt the team. Swayman, meanwhile, is welcome to play hardball by sitting out the entire year and watching Bussi backup the Vezina trophy winner if he chooses to go that route. I don't think he will, but I hope the Bruins play hardball back if he does. Swayman has a game 7 loss hanging over his head. He knows he has more to prove. It would be idiotic right now for his agent to advise a holdout. It's a negative ZERO leverage. |
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Post by The OC on May 31, 2023 23:09:19 GMT
Some GMs are stupid. That should mean nothing to Sweeney. All that should matter to Sweeney is that he gets Swayman signed to a contract that doesn't hurt the team. Swayman, meanwhile, is welcome to play hardball by sitting out the entire year and watching Bussi backup the Vezina trophy winner if he chooses to go that route. I don't think he will, but I hope the Bruins play hardball back if he does. Swayman has a game 7 loss hanging over his head. He knows he has more to prove. It would be idiotic right now for his agent to advise a holdout. It's a negative ZERO leverage. If he holds out, they just have to keep Linus. Everyone involved knows the situation here. Jerry, Linus, their agents and Donnie. Jerry signs a 2-3 year respectable deal, it's almost certain that Linus is dealt and Jerry gets to be a #1. His true big break. He dicks around, they keep Linus, can't make a deal to help the team and he ends up sharing the pipes again. They also let him hold out forever since they'll have to keep his contract low. It's what Donnie was talking about when he said he had to deal with RFA's first. He's also alluded to there being changes, and that he could maybe sign one of the UFA's. I think the team plan early is to: -Sign Jerry -Trade Linus -Sign the Bert -Cross fingers that Bergie and DK come back. |
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Post by MrHulot on May 31, 2023 23:27:06 GMT
Think Sweeney will either go Ullmark/Swayman. Don has to be patting himself on the back for the Ullmark contract. And about to win a Vezina. It's been a very good signing. Or trade Ullmark as part of a package to get a center. My hope anyways. At this point Sweeney has to be very happy with his goalie scouts. Good trust them some more. Sure, trust the goalie scouts, that's fine..but I want to know if Essensa knew Ullmark was having problems? I remember how Rask played injured, and he really did have an injury that affected him greatly a few years ago. It was not the same scenario where the backup was unproven but it was the same idea of playing the healthy goalie. That Monty deferred to Essensa (which is great trust, but one wonders again what exactly was Monty thinking in all of this), why did no one even think maybe it would be a good idea to go to Swayman up 2-1 or up 3-1. This year's playoffs showed teams doing a lot of changes throughout series, sure Vegas Hill and Florida's Bobo made it through but B's had choices to make when it was clear Ullmark was not up to par. I feel like Rask/Ullmark injured were poor coaching decisions ultimately by both then Cassidy and now Monty. In this day and age, the NHL won't allow teams to disclose actual injuries only upper or lower body, but worse now it seems players are purposely hiding injuries out of fear it may knock them out of playoffs. Sorry, this team had a shit-load of depth overall and it was working those first 4 games. There was no need to continue to play Ullmark who I think winced a lot, just the body language alone was a red flag. With Swayman, not going to blame him for game 7, but it was a chance to step up and seize the day for him. 3-2 lead, minute to go, 73 stick in way of shot, flips in. But I just don't have that high confidence in #1 that a lot of you have. I do with a healthy Ullmark, I think he is a Cup potential goalie if he gets some rest or is in a bit of a tandem where he doesn't have to play every playoff game. He is a shutdown goalie when he applies his techniques (like Rask was) and he is a great goalie that I don't want to discard because of one fucking series. I'd rather trade Swayman than Ullmark. Rather keep both as a great tandem, but it may come down to unloading one. Add Note: I think Mr Hulot's opinion about European goalies v. Canadian/Americans is taken by many in here--not openly like the good Sir Hulot does--but certainly there is some "love affair" with Sway by many in here. Ullmark had a rough first season (I was tired of the flopping myself), but he reinvented himself and had a monster season and should receive the Vezina. I reserve my judgment on him because Weekes said he got confirmation that Linus was injured enough that it affected his performance, and ultimately even his confidence. I saw the Bulin Wall perform in Phoenix. That guy was legit, no wonder he won a cup (albeit with the Lightning), against Kipper, another Euro I wouldn't have minded net-minding for the B's. Since then, only Antti Niemi in '10 (the Blackhawks had two Euros in goal back then, with Frenchman Cristobal Huet backing up Niemi) and Vagisil (who is from Tyumen, Russia, which geographically is part of Asia) with the Tampons won the cup as Non-North American starting goalies. Niemi was okay, nothing special, and he faced the team with probably the most goal-tending issues in the NHL since the mid-90s, the Flyers (remember Garth Snow's size 180/ cup Z chest protector or Ilya Bryzgalov, the Leo Tolstoy-wannabe among goalers?), in the finals, which featured the least impressive group of goalies ever in a Stanley Cup final - Niemi, Huet, Michael Leighton and Brian Boucher (with future Vezina winner Sergei Bobrovsky not even on the roster). And Vagisil is, well, Vagisil. The Tampons gave up on a very capable goalie who had huge issues (Big Ben Bishop) to make Vagisil their starter. Two cups, and for the sake of the discussion I won't bring up the bubble or the cap circumvention.
I have made my case against Ullmark. He was good in the regular season, his bear hug thing with Swayman was (shall I say it?) adorable, but he then inconceivably shat the bed, and he has yet to win a playoff series.
Ship him out to some place where they love goalies who wear goofy suits and goofy hats in their free time.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on May 31, 2023 23:33:29 GMT
Some GMs are stupid. That should mean nothing to Sweeney. All that should matter to Sweeney is that he gets Swayman signed to a contract that doesn't hurt the team. Swayman, meanwhile, is welcome to play hardball by sitting out the entire year and watching Bussi backup the Vezina trophy winner if he chooses to go that route. I don't think he will, but I hope the Bruins play hardball back if he does. Swayman has a game 7 loss hanging over his head. He knows he has more to prove. It would be idiotic right now for his agent to advise a holdout. It's a negative ZERO leverage. Actually, Sway has two seventh-game losses…. And they’ll have no bearing whatsoever in negotiations…. Both times he’s had to come in and cleanup after Linus…. Of course every B’S fan wants Sway to sign a team-friendly deal…. Sway’s not a fan, he’s an employee…. |
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Post by thanx4memORRies on May 31, 2023 23:41:13 GMT
If it gets to that point, Sway won’t be sitting out the entire year either…. He’ll be between the pipes of some other team…. Doubt that Donnie would wait long on a significant trade chip like Jay Sway…. If I’m a gm in search of a goalie, Sway would be at the top of the list…. That said, I hope the kid’s the B’S goalie going forward…. |
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 31, 2023 23:56:26 GMT
Swayman has a game 7 loss hanging over his head. He knows he has more to prove. It would be idiotic right now for his agent to advise a holdout. It's a negative ZERO leverage. Actually, Sway has two seventh-game losses…. And they’ll have no bearing whatsoever in negotiations…. Both times he’s had to come in and cleanup after Linus…. Of course every B’S fan wants Sway to sign a team-friendly deal…. Sway’s not a fan, he’s an employee…. Swayman has zero leverage. And the Bruins have a Vezina winner under a team friendly contract. |
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Jun 1, 2023 1:10:26 GMT
Actually, Sway has two seventh-game losses…. And they’ll have no bearing whatsoever in negotiations…. Both times he’s had to come in and cleanup after Linus…. Of course every B’S fan wants Sway to sign a team-friendly deal…. Sway’s not a fan, he’s an employee…. Swayman has zero leverage. And the Bruins have a Vezina winner under a team friendly contract. The stats the kid’s put up til now are hardly “zero leverage”…. Funny that most seem to prefer dealing instead the future Vezina winner in order to create cap room…. Highly doubt that Sway will be giving home-town or veteran one-more-kick-at-the-cup discounts…. Whether the other gms are dumb or not, I’m sure Sway’s agent has a list ready of all the signings done recently of young talent…. |
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jun 1, 2023 10:26:38 GMT
Swayman has a game 7 loss hanging over his head. He knows he has more to prove. It would be idiotic right now for his agent to advise a holdout. It's a negative ZERO leverage. If he holds out, they just have to keep Linus. Everyone involved knows the situation here. Jerry, Linus, their agents and Donnie. Jerry signs a 2-3 year respectable deal, it's almost certain that Linus is dealt and Jerry gets to be a #1. His true big break. He dicks around, they keep Linus, can't make a deal to help the team and he ends up sharing the pipes again. They also let him hold out forever since they'll have to keep his contract low. It's what Donnie was talking about when he said he had to deal with RFA's first. He's also alluded to there being changes, and that he could maybe sign one of the UFA's. I think the team plan early is to: -Sign Jerry -Trade Linus -Sign the Bert -Cross fingers that Bergie and DK come back. Then trade Grzelcyk and Forbort to keep Orlov. That's a pipe dream. But it would be a sweet scenario all-around. Interesting summer for sure. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Jun 1, 2023 12:19:29 GMT
Some GMs are stupid. That should mean nothing to Sweeney. All that should matter to Sweeney is that he gets Swayman signed to a contract that doesn't hurt the team. Swayman, meanwhile, is welcome to play hardball by sitting out the entire year and watching Bussi backup the Vezina trophy winner if he chooses to go that route. I don't think he will, but I hope the Bruins play hardball back if he does. If it gets to that point, Sway won’t be sitting out the entire year either…. He’ll be between the pipes of some other team…. How would that happen? |
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Jun 1, 2023 12:42:35 GMT
If it gets to that point, Sway won’t be sitting out the entire year either…. He’ll be between the pipes of some other team…. How would that happen? Scroll back a few posts to see how that would happen…. And in a way never seen before…. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Jun 1, 2023 12:47:11 GMT
Swayman has zero leverage. And the Bruins have a Vezina winner under a team friendly contract. The stats the kid’s put up til now are hardly “zero leverage”…. Funny that most seem to prefer dealing instead the future Vezina winner in order to create cap room…. Highly doubt that Sway will be giving home-town or veteran one-more-kick-at-the-cup discounts…. Whether the other gms are dumb or not, I’m sure Sway’s agent has a list ready of all the signings done recently of young talent…. You are confusing "leverage" - meaning the ability to sign elsewhere if the Bruins don't make him an offer he likes - with "stats". No matter how well he has played, the Bruins have his rights locked up. The only way his quality of play will affect his leverage is if another team offers him a deal, and even then, the Bruins can match. As far as i remember, no goalie has ever signed as an RFA. Too risky. So it is highly unlikely that Swayman can play hard ball. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Jun 1, 2023 12:48:09 GMT
Scroll back a few posts to see how that would happen…. And in a way never seen before…. In other words, it's a scarecrow fantasy scenario? |
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jun 1, 2023 13:01:35 GMT
RFA offer sheets are rare and even more for netminders. Likely hood is very low. Bruins could work out a trade with the team making the offer or just match.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Jun 1, 2023 13:17:13 GMT
Scroll back a few posts to see how that would happen…. And in a way never seen before…. In other words, it's a scarecrow fantasy scenario? So it’s never happened that a team trades a player after they’re unable to agree on a new contract…. Don’t know why some are up in arms about the kid asking for what he thinks he deserves and that he may be willing to play hardball…. Which is his right just as much as that of the B’S…. I’m not Sway’s agent, I just brought up a scenario that may play out…. Here’s hoping he signs an “IOU”…. |
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Jun 1, 2023 13:25:26 GMT
RFA offer sheets are rare and even more for netminders. Likely hood is very low. Bruins could work out a trade with the team making the offer or just match. Can’t remember of an offer sheet ever made to a netminder but Sway would be tempting…. Plus the B’S could use the picks…. As for matching, you don’t want another team dictating what you’ll pay a player you want to keep…. For me, Sway’s situation is more intriguing than that of the B’S ufas…. |
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Post by umainebruinsfan on Jun 1, 2023 16:52:16 GMT
Sway's situtation is very intriguing, but I think you keep him either way (barring an offer so good you can't refuse). If he proves to be more expensive than you have the budget for, then you trade Ullmark. If you can sign Sway to a reasonable bridge deal, maybe you can keep the best goalie tandem in the NHL together for another year.
On a team that needs salary cap help wherever they can find it, I don't think you trade the younger, cheaper goalie. (and I think even on the rare chance someone signs Sway to an offer sheet that needs to be matched, it probably still comes in cheaper than Ullmark).
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 1, 2023 17:21:22 GMT
I might do that deal, Swayman may turn out Ok but no guarantee, same with Wright but he does have a great pedigree and is young. Ullmark and Bussi could work and as we see with 3rd stringer Aiden Hill, you can win with any hot goalie. Think Sweeney will either go Ullmark/Swayman. Don has to be patting himself on the back for the Ullmark contract. And about to win a Vezina. It's been a very good signing. Or trade Ullmark as part of a package to get a center. My hope anyways. At this point Sweeney has to be very happy with his goalie scouts. Good trust them some more. I think he could stick with the "hugging combo" as well, trades will be made elsewhere. I think next year will be a more likely scenario, Ullmark will be on the last year of his deal and some team will take him, has only a 15 team NTC as well. |
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jun 1, 2023 19:17:28 GMT
RFA offer sheets are rare and even more for netminders. Likely hood is very low. Bruins could work out a trade with the team making the offer or just match. Can’t remember of an offer sheet ever made to a netminder but Sway would be tempting…. Plus the B’S could use the picks…. As for matching, you don’t want another team dictating what you’ll pay a player you want to keep…. For me, Sway’s situation is more intriguing than that of the B’S ufas…. Right before Sweeney unloaded more picks to Washington. Mike Johnson did a segment on NHL Network with Kevin Weeks about late 1st draft picks and how GMs assess those prospects. Cam and Don, with the trades to Anaeheim and Washington, these last two seasons. Have basically said they want to re-arm on the fly. Draft picks are not a big concern right now for them. Don't think Sweeney cares about any picks he wants back from not matching an RFA contract. He's concerned with Bertuzzi, getting rid of Reillys contract and attaining a Center for his core. |
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Jun 1, 2023 21:56:41 GMT
Can’t remember of an offer sheet ever made to a netminder but Sway would be tempting…. Plus the B’S could use the picks…. As for matching, you don’t want another team dictating what you’ll pay a player you want to keep…. For me, Sway’s situation is more intriguing than that of the B’S ufas…. Right before Sweeney unloaded more picks to Washington. Mike Johnson did a segment on NHL Network with Kevin Weeks about late 1st draft picks and how GMs assess those prospects. Cam and Don, with the trades to Anaeheim and Washington, these last two seasons. Have basically said they want to re-arm on the fly. Draft picks are not a big concern right now for them. Don't think Sweeney cares about any picks he wants back from not matching an RFA contract. He's concerned with Bertuzzi, getting rid of Reillys contract and attaining a Center for his core. Agree, don’t think Donnie’s too worried about the B’S draft situation for the next year or two…. Donnie made shrewd deals…. Those on the ice failed miserably…. |
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Jun 1, 2023 21:59:22 GMT
Think Sweeney will either go Ullmark/Swayman. Don has to be patting himself on the back for the Ullmark contract. And about to win a Vezina. It's been a very good signing. Or trade Ullmark as part of a package to get a center. My hope anyways. At this point Sweeney has to be very happy with his goalie scouts. Good trust them some more. I think he could stick with the "hugging combo" as well, trades will be made elsewhere. I think next year will be a more likely scenario, Ullmark will be on the last year of his deal and some team will take him, has only a 15 team NTC as well. Might be enticing though if teams start asking about them…. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Jun 2, 2023 15:26:57 GMT
In other words, it's a scarecrow fantasy scenario? So it’s never happened that a team trades a player after they’re unable to agree on a new contract…. Don’t know why some are up in arms about the kid asking for what he thinks he deserves and that he may be willing to play hardball…. Which is his right just as much as that of the B’S…. I’m not Sway’s agent, I just brought up a scenario that may play out…. Here’s hoping he signs an “IOU”…. I don't think Swayman asking for what he thinks he deserves is the point. What people are reacting to - or at least, the point I'm arguing - is that a) the Bruins should not plan their roster development strategy around the possibility that Swayman won't sign a bridge contract because there is very little likelihood that he is going to play hardball because there is even less chance that he would be successful if he did; and b) if he does choose to play hardball, the Bruins have several better options for how to handle that situation than capitulating to his demands. Sure, it's Swayman's right to negotiate for what he thinks he's worth just like it's Sweeney's responsibility to ensure that he signs him to a contract that doesn't hamstring their ability to ice a competitive team. It's just so unlikely that this goes sour that I wouldn't worry about it. |
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Post by mdsizzle on Jun 2, 2023 16:10:34 GMT
Swayman has a game 7 loss hanging over his head. He knows he has more to prove. It would be idiotic right now for his agent to advise a holdout. It's a negative ZERO leverage. Actually, Sway has two seventh-game losses…. And they’ll have no bearing whatsoever in negotiations…. Both times he’s had to come in and cleanup after Linus…. Of course every B’S fan wants Sway to sign a team-friendly deal…. Sway’s not a fan, he’s an employee…. The B's have done a good job keeping Sway's bargaining leverage at bay... That's for sure. |
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Post by schlich on Jun 2, 2023 18:14:50 GMT
Never thought you were that cynical sizz. How you doing? You OK?
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Post by mdsizzle on Jun 2, 2023 19:41:30 GMT
Never thought you were that cynical sizz. How you doing? You OK? Was that a typo? Did you mean to say clinical? I think you meant clinical... |
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Post by dannycater on Jun 2, 2023 20:09:44 GMT
Never thought you were that cynical sizz. How you doing? You OK? Was that a typo? Did you mean to say clinical? I think you meant clinical... yes, schlich is telling you that he wears a white suit and has a butterfly net and is ready to bring you into the rubber room. |
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