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Post by wayne on Sept 2, 2023 17:01:13 GMT
Ideally it would be 1C Zacha Coyle Geekie but I guess right now it is Zacha Coyle Geekie Brown?? I dont know if its Sweeny that sees something in Geekie but maybe others. If no warm body down in Praaaavidence is better than this guy Brown, then the B’S pipeline is in more trouble than we can imagine…. I agree but is it via a 4th line centre or someone higher up that pushes Geekie or maybe Frederic to the 4th? Candidates? McLaughlin Beecher Merkulov Farinacci Poitras
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Sept 2, 2023 17:40:45 GMT
If no warm body down in Praaaavidence is better than this guy Brown, then the B’S pipeline is in more trouble than we can imagine…. I agree but is it via a 4th line centre or someone higher up that pushes Geekie or maybe Frederic to the 4th? Candidates? McLaughlin Beecher Merkulov Farinacci Poitras Time for Sonofa Beecher to show he was worth taking in the first round….
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Post by caperbruins on Sept 4, 2023 14:04:25 GMT
I just want something to watch besides the Blue Jays and reruns of Married with Children and YouTube videos. I’m not much of a movie guy anymore . I just want the Bruins to make the playoffs and then just take it from there .
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 5, 2023 12:25:53 GMT
I just want something to watch besides the Blue Jays and reruns of Married with Children and YouTube videos. I’m not much of a movie guy anymore . I just want the Bruins to make the playoffs and then just take it from there . The pain is real. I think that's the lesson from last season. All that matters is that you get in and that you're as finely tuned as possible in April-July. Nobody cares if you bank 80% of the points or go undefeated at home for longer than Gandhi went without food...in the regular season.
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Post by caperbruins on Sept 5, 2023 14:15:24 GMT
I just want something to watch besides the Blue Jays and reruns of Married with Children and YouTube videos. I’m not much of a movie guy anymore . I just want the Bruins to make the playoffs and then just take it from there . The pain is real. I think that's the lesson from last season. All that matters is that you get in and that you're as finely tuned as possible in April-July. Nobody cares if you bank 80% of the points or go undefeated at home for longer than Gandhi went without food...in the regular season. While at times last regular season was fun it got kind of boring after January and ultimately we all knew the real test was coming in April and the chance of impending doom was real . Now , I don’t exactly want a season where the Bruins make the playoffs on the last game of the season but a little more drama and adversity wouldn’t be a bad thing.
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Post by chappy28 on Sept 5, 2023 14:47:46 GMT
What concerns me about Geekie is that a dozen forwards (which even the most ardent Krakhead fan would be hard pressed to name five of) averaged more TOI than him…. Like Jack Black in “Shallow Hal”, maybe Donnie sees something in Geekie that others don’t…. Ideally it would be 1C Zacha Coyle Geekie but I guess right now it is Zacha Coyle Geekie Brown?? I dont know if its Sweeny that sees something in Geekie but maybe others. I believe Geekie was something like top 10 in the league for 5v5 production per minute from a fourth line role. He was buried in the center depth chart in Seattle or probably would have played higher. I see what Sweeney's going for. Just have to. Hope it works out. Worst case scenario, he picked up one of the best fourth liners in the entire league, but from an upside perspective there might be more there. From what I read he sounds like a late bloomer who keeps getting better every year.
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Post by fifthline on Sept 5, 2023 15:06:37 GMT
Ideally it would be 1C Zacha Coyle Geekie but I guess right now it is Zacha Coyle Geekie Brown?? I dont know if its Sweeny that sees something in Geekie but maybe others. I believe Geekie was something like top 10 in the league for 5v5 production per minute from a fourth line role. He was buried in the center depth chart in Seattle or probably would have played higher. I see what Sweeney's going for. Just have to. Hope it works out. Worst case scenario, he picked up one of the best fourth liners in the entire league, but from an upside perspective there might be more there. From what I read he sounds like a late bloomer who keeps getting better every year. If nothing else I’m geeked up about his name.
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Post by wayne on Sept 5, 2023 20:23:41 GMT
Ideally it would be 1C Zacha Coyle Geekie but I guess right now it is Zacha Coyle Geekie Brown?? I dont know if its Sweeny that sees something in Geekie but maybe others. I believe Geekie was something like top 10 in the league for 5v5 production per minute from a fourth line role. He was buried in the center depth chart in Seattle or probably would have played higher. I see what Sweeney's going for. Just have to. Hope it works out. Worst case scenario, he picked up one of the best fourth liners in the entire league, but from an upside perspective there might be more there. From what I read he sounds like a late bloomer who keeps getting better every year. Ill be reserving judgement on Geekie. I expect that he is a really good 4th line center and can be a good 3rd line one, I am not expecting more. A lot will depend on how Monty runs the lines seems like he is leaning to something like this Marchand-Coyle-DeBrusk JVR-Zacha-Pastrnak Boqvist-Geekie-Frederic Lucic-Brown-Lauko Greer
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Sept 5, 2023 21:02:36 GMT
I believe Geekie was something like top 10 in the league for 5v5 production per minute from a fourth line role. He was buried in the center depth chart in Seattle or probably would have played higher. I see what Sweeney's going for. Just have to. Hope it works out. Worst case scenario, he picked up one of the best fourth liners in the entire league, but from an upside perspective there might be more there. From what I read he sounds like a late bloomer who keeps getting better every year. Ill be reserving judgement on Geekie. I expect that he is a really good 4th line center and can be a good 3rd line one, I am not expecting more. A lot will depend on how Monty runs the lines seems like he is leaning to something like this Marchand-Coyle-DeBrusk JVR-Zacha-Pastrnak Boqvist-Geekie-Frederic Lucic-Brown-Lauko Greer Bruins sign Heinen to PTO agreement www.tsn.ca/1.2003850.1693946196Add the prodigal son to the list….
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 5, 2023 21:43:47 GMT
Ill be reserving judgement on Geekie. I expect that he is a really good 4th line center and can be a good 3rd line one, I am not expecting more. A lot will depend on how Monty runs the lines seems like he is leaning to something like this Marchand-Coyle-DeBrusk JVR-Zacha-Pastrnak Boqvist-Geekie-Frederic Lucic-Brown-Lauko Greer Bruins sign Heinen to PTO agreement www.tsn.ca/1.2003850.1693946196Add the prodigal son to the list…. Bruins version of the Avs signing Drouin to see if he can rekindle the flame with MacKinnon. If anyone can get Danton back to his .5 point/game level, it's his old college coach.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 5, 2023 22:32:42 GMT
I believe Geekie was something like top 10 in the league for 5v5 production per minute from a fourth line role. He was buried in the center depth chart in Seattle or probably would have played higher. I see what Sweeney's going for. Just have to. Hope it works out. Worst case scenario, he picked up one of the best fourth liners in the entire league, but from an upside perspective there might be more there. From what I read he sounds like a late bloomer who keeps getting better every year. Ill be reserving judgement on Geekie. I expect that he is a really good 4th line center and can be a good 3rd line one, I am not expecting more. A lot will depend on how Monty runs the lines seems like he is leaning to something like this Marchand-Coyle-DeBrusk JVR-Zacha-Pastrnak Boqvist-Geekie-Frederic Lucic-Brown-Lauko Greer Fair to be skeptical of literally every possible path forward for the Geek. If you look at it from the point of view of points despite limited TOI, Geekie and Heinen are 1 and 2 on the list of guys who scored with less than 11 min of TOI. But if you look at it from the point of view that he played behind a 'less than murderers row' group of centres that included Alex Wennberg, Yanni Gourde and rookie Matt Beniers, why did he command so little TOI among that group? His points/game was only 0.05 behind Wennberg, but Hakstol didn't see fit to increase his TOI? For every scenario where you think boy, if he can carry that forward playing further up the lineup, there's a reason to say no, that isn't likely to happen against better D, better defensive F. And vice versa. Reserving judgement and its friend tempering hope seem like good ideas.
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Post by The OC on Sept 5, 2023 23:04:27 GMT
Ill be reserving judgement on Geekie. I expect that he is a really good 4th line center and can be a good 3rd line one, I am not expecting more. A lot will depend on how Monty runs the lines seems like he is leaning to something like this Marchand-Coyle-DeBrusk JVR-Zacha-Pastrnak Boqvist-Geekie-Frederic Lucic-Brown-Lauko Greer Bruins sign Heinen to PTO agreement www.tsn.ca/1.2003850.1693946196Add the prodigal son to the list…. Last Ride Part II!!
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Sept 6, 2023 0:49:59 GMT
Ill be reserving judgement on Geekie. I expect that he is a really good 4th line center and can be a good 3rd line one, I am not expecting more. A lot will depend on how Monty runs the lines seems like he is leaning to something like this Marchand-Coyle-DeBrusk JVR-Zacha-Pastrnak Boqvist-Geekie-Frederic Lucic-Brown-Lauko Greer Fair to be skeptical of literally every possible path forward for the Geek. If you look at it from the point of view of points despite limited TOI, Geekie and Heinen are 1 and 2 on the list of guys who scored with less than 11 min of TOI. But if you look at it from the point of view that he played behind a 'less than murderers row' group of centres that included Alex Wennberg, Yanni Gourde and rookie Matt Beniers, why did he command so little TOI among that group? His points/game was only 0.05 behind Wennberg, but Hakstol didn't see fit to increase his TOI? For every scenario where you think boy, if he can carry that forward playing further up the lineup, there's a reason to say no, that isn't likely to happen against better D, better defensive F. And vice versa. Reserving judgement and its friend tempering hope seem like good ideas. Although Geekie looks like the best choice for 3LC at the moment, Donnie probably saw him as a solid fourth line center or winger when he signed him, not knowing whether the greybeards would be returning for another season or if one of Marc McLaughlin or Sonofa Beecher is tired of riding the buses…. I’m with you, Geekie hasn’t shown that he’s more than a bottom six…. And I’m ok with him just being a very good one too….
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Post by The OC on Sept 6, 2023 1:18:45 GMT
Ideally it would be 1C Zacha Coyle Geekie but I guess right now it is Zacha Coyle Geekie Brown?? I dont know if its Sweeny that sees something in Geekie but maybe others. I believe Geekie was something like top 10 in the league for 5v5 production per minute from a fourth line role. He was buried in the center depth chart in Seattle or probably would have played higher. I see what Sweeney's going for. Just have to. Hope it works out. Worst case scenario, he picked up one of the best fourth liners in the entire league, but from an upside perspective there might be more there. From what I read he sounds like a late bloomer who keeps getting better every year. 32nd in the League. Better than most players, obviously, and every Bruin except Pasta, Zacha and Krejci. It's a relevant stat, for sure. And obviously not everything. I think he's clearly playing above his level as a fourth liner, and the play of him and Sprong was a big part of Seattle's success last year. And both got $2M from new teams, hoping they can build on that with a new team. I think something to like about Geekie is he's had steady progress his whole career. Big point season in junior got him drafted in the high third round, another big Junior season, season and a half in the A, then promoted to a good Carolina team at 22. Seattle views him as the 8th best forward on that roster and takes him, is a full time NHLer in year 1, then takes a big step (more points, +30 shift in +/-) and contributes to a playoff run in year 2. At 25 ready to enter his prime and show what he can do. I think at least he can replace Coyle on the third line if Charles gets a bigger role, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Geek ends up being a better fit with better linemates.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 6, 2023 2:30:40 GMT
I believe Geekie was something like top 10 in the league for 5v5 production per minute from a fourth line role. He was buried in the center depth chart in Seattle or probably would have played higher. I see what Sweeney's going for. Just have to. Hope it works out. Worst case scenario, he picked up one of the best fourth liners in the entire league, but from an upside perspective there might be more there. From what I read he sounds like a late bloomer who keeps getting better every year. 32nd in the League. Better than most players, obviously, and every Bruin except Pasta, Zacha and Krejci. It's a relevant stat, for sure. And obviously not everything. I think he's clearly playing above his level as a fourth liner, and the play of him and Sprong was a big part of Seattle's success last year. And both got $2M from new teams, hoping they can build on that with a new team. I think something to like about Geekie is he's had steady progress his whole career. Big point season in junior got him drafted in the high third round, another big Junior season, season and a half in the A, then promoted to a good Carolina team at 22. Seattle views him as the 8th best forward on that roster and takes him, is a full time NHLer in year 1, then takes a big step (more points, +30 shift in +/-) and contributes to a playoff run in year 2. At 25 ready to enter his prime and show what he can do. I think at least he can replace Coyle on the third line if Charles gets a bigger role, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Geek ends up being a better fit with better linemates. Well, that's the dream.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Sept 6, 2023 11:18:11 GMT
Ideally it would be 1C Zacha Coyle Geekie but I guess right now it is Zacha Coyle Geekie Brown?? I dont know if its Sweeny that sees something in Geekie but maybe others. I believe Geekie was something like top 10 in the league for 5v5 production per minute from a fourth line role. He was buried in the center depth chart in Seattle or probably would have played higher. I see what Sweeney's going for. Just have to. Hope it works out. Worst case scenario, he picked up one of the best fourth liners in the entire league, but from an upside perspective there might be more there. From what I read he sounds like a late bloomer who keeps getting better every year. Numero Uno 5v5 in points playing 11 minutes or under in 2022. Surround the Geester with better players and give him more minutes. See what happens.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 6, 2023 12:25:46 GMT
I believe Geekie was something like top 10 in the league for 5v5 production per minute from a fourth line role. He was buried in the center depth chart in Seattle or probably would have played higher. I see what Sweeney's going for. Just have to. Hope it works out. Worst case scenario, he picked up one of the best fourth liners in the entire league, but from an upside perspective there might be more there. From what I read he sounds like a late bloomer who keeps getting better every year. Numero Uno 5v5 in points playing 11 minutes or under in 2022. Surround the Geester with better players and give him more minutes. See what happens. And Heinen numero dos. But we aren't geeking out over what might be with Danton. That's the big red warning light on setting sights too high with the Geek. But i am on board with the experiment. I think you see what he can do and if he ends up a bottom six player who produces very well in that role, you take it and run. If he matches last year, he offsets Taylor Hall's ES production.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Sept 6, 2023 15:05:21 GMT
Numero Uno 5v5 in points playing 11 minutes or under in 2022. Surround the Geester with better players and give him more minutes. See what happens. And Heinen numero dos. But we aren't geeking out over what might be with Danton. That's the big red warning light on setting sights too high with the Geek. But i am on board with the experiment. I think you see what he can do and if he ends up a bottom six player who produces very well in that role, you take it and run. If he matches last year, he offsets Taylor Hall's ES production. Getting the Geek to the Greek. 18 minutes TOI isn't a stretch. In the beginning, "don't get forkin scored on!". Chemistry will always a factor. Let's see what works. My expectations are that Geekorama can do more with better linemates. That's not a big ask. A big line of Geekie with possibly JVR and Frederic. Could be fun.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 6, 2023 16:42:28 GMT
And Heinen numero dos. But we aren't geeking out over what might be with Danton. That's the big red warning light on setting sights too high with the Geek. But i am on board with the experiment. I think you see what he can do and if he ends up a bottom six player who produces very well in that role, you take it and run. If he matches last year, he offsets Taylor Hall's ES production. Getting the Geek to the Greek. 18 minutes TOI isn't a stretch. In the beginning, "don't get forkin scored on!". Chemistry will always a factor. Let's see what works. My expectations are that Geekorama can do more with better linemates. That's not a big ask. A big line of Geekie with possibly JVR and Frederic. Could be fun. I guess part of the question is...are those better linemates? Sprong had 46 points in 61 games - a .7 points/game clip - and Donato was at 0.38. Freddy was 0.39, and JVR at .48. Of all six guys here, only one wasn't allowed to walk for nothing at the end of last year. And last year, Geekie's rate of production actually went up despite dropping close to two minute of TOI per game. I think my expectations and my hopes are very far apart on the Geek. Expectation is something on par with his career average of something like .3 points/game. An improvement on Nosek's production and hopefully about the same quality of D with a higher compete level. My hope - the glimmer that all the 5v5 numbers stuff brings out - is that he gets a shot with Marchand and DeBrusk at some point, and they find he has enough similarities to Bergeron's game stylistically that they find some chemistry and that line works. That shuffles Coyle back to playing with Freddy and JVR, too. Sort of the Craig Conroy story in Calgary.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Sept 6, 2023 17:33:50 GMT
"Sprong had 46 points in 61 games - a .7 points/game clip - and Donato was at 0.38. Freddy was 0.39, and JVR at .48."
Eye test and a history to look at says Geekie has better linemates now for me. JVR potted 24 goals recently 21-22. Frederic is on the cusp of scoring 20 goals. Even a possibility of Heinen has a good history to look at.
Bruins need to have a solid 3rd line. Think the Bs have the potential for a real good checking line. Also seen many line combos with JVR on the 2nd line.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 6, 2023 19:01:34 GMT
"Sprong had 46 points in 61 games - a .7 points/game clip - and Donato was at 0.38. Freddy was 0.39, and JVR at .48." Eye test and a history to look at says Geekie has better linemates now for me. JVR potted 24 goals recently 21-22. Frederic is on the cusp of scoring 20 goals. Even a possibility of Heinen has a good history to look at. Bruins need to have a solid 3rd line. Think the Bs have the potential for a real good checking line. Also seen many line combos with JVR on the 2nd line. The potential is there. I'm very curious about what they can get from JVR. He's been under the 20 goal mark more years than he's been over it, but some of that has been injuries and other issues cutting his seasons off before he gets there. I will be surprised if his numbers aren't similar to what we hope to see from Freddy - 20+ goals, something close to that in assists, somewhere around .5 points/game. But I want to see "veteran savvy". I want some key PPG, some smart plays to get the puck to Pastrnak to unlock the PP when it stumbles, some down-low presence when the team falls into perimeter passing. All the stuff that Torts ripped him for not being last year.
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Post by caperbruins on Sept 6, 2023 19:15:57 GMT
"Sprong had 46 points in 61 games - a .7 points/game clip - and Donato was at 0.38. Freddy was 0.39, and JVR at .48." Eye test and a history to look at says Geekie has better linemates now for me. JVR potted 24 goals recently 21-22. Frederic is on the cusp of scoring 20 goals. Even a possibility of Heinen has a good history to look at. Bruins need to have a solid 3rd line. Think the Bs have the potential for a real good checking line. Also seen many line combos with JVR on the 2nd line. I’d like to believe Frederic is on the cusp of scoring 20 goals but I’m not sure. The Bruins certainly would benefit from Frederic acquiring another gear but it wouldn’t surprise me if he regresses this year.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Sept 6, 2023 19:27:53 GMT
"Sprong had 46 points in 61 games - a .7 points/game clip - and Donato was at 0.38. Freddy was 0.39, and JVR at .48." Eye test and a history to look at says Geekie has better linemates now for me. JVR potted 24 goals recently 21-22. Frederic is on the cusp of scoring 20 goals. Even a possibility of Heinen has a good history to look at. Bruins need to have a solid 3rd line. Think the Bs have the potential for a real good checking line. Also seen many line combos with JVR on the 2nd line. I’d like to believe Frederic is on the cusp of scoring 20 goals but I’m not sure. The Bruins certainly would benefit from Frederic acquiring another gear but it wouldn’t surprise me if he regresses this year. Most of all Frederic needs to not regress. If he doesn't want to stay in 4th line pay territory. TFred needs to grab this moment. He has a real good chance put himself in a permanent position with the Bs.
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Post by The OC on Sept 6, 2023 19:47:12 GMT
"Sprong had 46 points in 61 games - a .7 points/game clip - and Donato was at 0.38. Freddy was 0.39, and JVR at .48." Eye test and a history to look at says Geekie has better linemates now for me. JVR potted 24 goals recently 21-22. Frederic is on the cusp of scoring 20 goals. Even a possibility of Heinen has a good history to look at. Bruins need to have a solid 3rd line. Think the Bs have the potential for a real good checking line. Also seen many line combos with JVR on the 2nd line. The potential is there. I'm very curious about what they can get from JVR. He's been under the 20 goal mark more years than he's been over it, but some of that has been injuries and other issues cutting his seasons off before he gets there. I will be surprised if his numbers aren't similar to what we hope to see from Freddy - 20+ goals, something close to that in assists, somewhere around .5 points/game. But I want to see "veteran savvy". I want some key PPG, some smart plays to get the puck to Pastrnak to unlock the PP when it stumbles, some down-low presence when the team falls into perimeter passing. All the stuff that Torts ripped him for not being last year. The thing JVR is elite at is net front, especially on the PP. Unfortunately the rest of his game is a bit below average. But you can work with that. Net-front on the PP was a bit of a gap for the Bruins last year until they got Bertuzzi. They've used JDB, Hall and even Marchand in the role, but it's not plan A for any of them. It's Bert's happy place and I think that was a part of the PP jumping to 40% against FLA in the playoffs. I think management saw a way to get a key part of what Bert brought at a fraction of the cost. We then probably see JDB be the puck mover on PP2 replacing Hall. My biggest concern with Jim is where he plays a regular shift. Not a huge fan of him with Zacha and Pasta because he's slow and not a great puck distributer. He could probably hold his own cloggin' up and down the wing while Coyle holds on to the puck for a few hours. Powerplays are so important in today's NHL that it's probably worth it at his low salary.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 6, 2023 20:00:57 GMT
"Sprong had 46 points in 61 games - a .7 points/game clip - and Donato was at 0.38. Freddy was 0.39, and JVR at .48." Eye test and a history to look at says Geekie has better linemates now for me. JVR potted 24 goals recently 21-22. Frederic is on the cusp of scoring 20 goals. Even a possibility of Heinen has a good history to look at. Bruins need to have a solid 3rd line. Think the Bs have the potential for a real good checking line. Also seen many line combos with JVR on the 2nd line. I’d like to believe Frederic is on the cusp of scoring 20 goals but I’m not sure. The Bruins certainly would benefit from Frederic acquiring another gear but it wouldn’t surprise me if he regresses this year. Well, look...if we're looking at recent stats like they're animal entrails and we're ancient Druids... Trent Frederic's goal production has doubled every year since he got off the schnied in 2020-21: 4, then 8, then 17 last year. So 35 this year? Or if you apply the same "more TOI = more points" thinking we've used for the Geek, if you bump him up to about 16 min a game, from just under 12, that's a 33% increase in TOI and should result in something like 10-13 additional points and about 6 of them goals. Mostly, I remain bullish on Freddy because I think he's the kind of kid you invest in helping to realize his potential, and he has a lot of potential. Nothing flashy, but he does so many things well, and if he had the kind of consistent confidence that comes from coaches showing faith in you, I think he can deliver good, simple, straightforward production. I think about a bunch of his highlights. When Nosferatu first came up and made us wonder if he was going to be a scorer, it was Freddy who carried the puck in on two on one on his off wing and then put a perfect pass in the wheelhouse for Nosferatu to fire home. Couple of years back, he came out from the back boards and made a nifty redirect of a slap pass from 20' out for a goal. That kind of thing says he's got the hands if he has the chance to use them. Then there's the lowlight reel, which is a lot of him just missing pucks in prime scoring areas. But the takeaway there, for me, is he's a kid who gets open in prime scoring areas. He gets inside and he's not afraid to get smoked down low. He's heavy enough to be down there and make it count. He just gets the yips right now. If he can get that under control...look out. I think he could be on the LeClair plan - though he's not the same player and I am not suggesting he'll be a Legion of Doom type player. But LeClair had similar numbers in his first two years at Vermont to Freddy at Wisconsin, and then had a number of mid-40 point seasons in the NHL even after his coming out party in the 93 Cup run. He was 27 when his production exploded. I think something similar could happen with Freddy. Another 20-15-35 year this year, then 22-17-39, then finally 25-30-55 for a few years. I think he has the talent and the attitude.
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