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Post by nitelite on Jan 12, 2024 11:44:48 GMT
Can some of you fucking tools stop with your fucking bullshit conspiracy theories! Save that shit for Reddit! This fucking garbage about the league being rigged & the refs having it out for Boston! GROW THE FUCK UP! YOU CAN'T RIG A HOCKEY GAME YOU DUMB FUCKS!UGH!
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Post by islamorada on Jan 12, 2024 12:59:09 GMT
Can some of you fucking tools stop with your fucking bullshit conspiracy theories! Save that shit for Reddit! This fucking garbage about the league being rigged & the refs having it out for Boston! GROW THE FUCK UP! YOU CAN'T RIG A HOCKEY GAME YOU DUMB FUCKS!UGH! Agreed, but does the NHL post the records of the refs per each team. Why not? Otherwise conspiracy theories will exist. Chris Lee was the referee last night.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 12, 2024 14:16:19 GMT
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Post by dannycater on Jan 12, 2024 14:16:46 GMT
Can some of you fucking tools stop with your fucking bullshit conspiracy theories! Save that shit for Reddit! This fucking garbage about the league being rigged & the refs having it out for Boston! GROW THE FUCK UP! YOU CAN'T RIG A HOCKEY GAME YOU DUMB FUCKS!UGH! this is completely on target...nite's consipiracy theory here is just that. He has conspired with the NHL refs to fuck the B's....and this is why I'm now going to BostonInsider for all my B's info and news.
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Post by nitelite on Jan 12, 2024 14:17:08 GMT
Can some of you fucking tools stop with your fucking bullshit conspiracy theories! Save that shit for Reddit! This fucking garbage about the league being rigged & the refs having it out for Boston! GROW THE FUCK UP! YOU CAN'T RIG A HOCKEY GAME YOU DUMB FUCKS!UGH! Agreed, but does the NHL post the records of the refs per each team. Why not? Otherwise conspiracy theories will exist. Chris Lee was the referee last night. The refs name is listed as to who reffed what game. What difference does that make? The refs aren't the ones who scores the goals & who allows them! EVEN IF the refs were bought off & called penalties only against one team to help the another. THE ONLY WAY in order for them succeed is that players would have to be behind it as well! For instance let's just say the league wanted Boston to lose last night for whatever reason! The players on the Boston Bruins would have to be in on the rig, because they would have to make sure that they allow a goal to be scored against them wouldn't they? I'm sure if that was the case they wouldn't allow former players to live long after they retired! SOMEBODY WOULD'VE been a whistle blower by now!It's ridiculous thinking!!
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Post by Fletcher on Jan 12, 2024 14:57:51 GMT
I would argue that the best way to hear less about this topic, is not to start a new thread about it, in all CAPS. But that's just me.
The officiating was dumb last night, but that's it. Just a crappy way to handle a tied game in the 3rd period, with a bunch of uber ticky-tack calls and unearned powerplays.
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Post by nitelite on Jan 12, 2024 15:17:58 GMT
I would argue that the best way to hear less about this topic, is not to start a new thread about it, in all CAPS. But that's just me. The officiating was dumb last night, but that's it. Just a crappy way to handle a tied game in the 3rd period, with a bunch of uber ticky-tack calls and unearned powerplays. No! It's not just about refs fletch! People going on about how the league helped the Knights get to the final in 2018 & the Flyers back in the day! Blah, blah, BULLSHIT! It's frustrating to read & hear it all the time!
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Post by dannycater on Jan 12, 2024 15:22:01 GMT
I would argue that the best way to hear less about this topic, is not to start a new thread about it, in all CAPS. But that's just me. The officiating was dumb last night, but that's it. Just a crappy way to handle a tied game in the 3rd period, with a bunch of uber ticky-tack calls and unearned powerplays. No! It's not just about refs fletch! People going on about how the league helped the Knights get to the final in 2018 & the Flyers back in the day! Blah, blah, BULLSHIT! It's frustrating to read & hear it all the time! Blues won the 19 Cup Final almost entirely off their ability to play goon hockey v. the B's and get away with it....conspiracy that...bitch....wait until we hear the next few posters go on and on (like shupe used to) about how the Blues were sooooooooooooooooo much better than the B's...yeah, let's take out Acciari, let's just head shot any guy and then cry like babies because the pooo Blues can't defend the PK....brilliant strategy, but shitty referees and a league office that did nothing....now it's like anytime a B hits someone wrong...suspension!!! suspend goon 73 because 4 years ago makes him repeat offender! Marchand the goon!!! oh he slewfooted someone, oh my god, the end of the world...5 games!!!! Oh wait, but it's okay for a Ranger repeat offender like Trouba slash Frederic in the face and other guys get fines who were...repeat offenders...that's fair? Fuck you on refs, nite, go fawk yerself.
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Post by nitelite on Jan 12, 2024 15:40:29 GMT
No! It's not just about refs fletch! People going on about how the league helped the Knights get to the final in 2018 & the Flyers back in the day! Blah, blah, BULLSHIT! It's frustrating to read & hear it all the time! Blues won the 19 Cup Final almost entirely off their ability to play goon hockey v. the B's and get away with it....conspiracy that...bitch....wait until we hear the next few posters go on and on (like shupe used to) about how the Blues were sooooooooooooooooo much better than the B's...yeah, let's take out Acciari, let's just head shot any guy and then cry like babies because the pooo Blues can't defend the PK....brilliant strategy, but shitty referees and a league office that did nothing....now it's like anytime a B hits someone wrong...suspension!!! suspend goon 73 because 4 years ago makes him repeat offender! Marchand the goon!!! oh he slewfooted someone, oh my god, the end of the world...5 games!!!! Oh wait, but it's okay for a Ranger repeat offender like Trouba slash Frederic in the face and other guys get fines who were...repeat offenders...that's fair? Fuck you on refs, nite, go fawk yerself. Why go fuck myself when there's a great big conspiracy pussy like you walking around?!
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Post by dannycater on Jan 12, 2024 15:49:36 GMT
Blues won the 19 Cup Final almost entirely off their ability to play goon hockey v. the B's and get away with it....conspiracy that...bitch....wait until we hear the next few posters go on and on (like shupe used to) about how the Blues were sooooooooooooooooo much better than the B's...yeah, let's take out Acciari, let's just head shot any guy and then cry like babies because the pooo Blues can't defend the PK....brilliant strategy, but shitty referees and a league office that did nothing....now it's like anytime a B hits someone wrong...suspension!!! suspend goon 73 because 4 years ago makes him repeat offender! Marchand the goon!!! oh he slewfooted someone, oh my god, the end of the world...5 games!!!! Oh wait, but it's okay for a Ranger repeat offender like Trouba slash Frederic in the face and other guys get fines who were...repeat offenders...that's fair? Fuck you on refs, nite, go fawk yerself. Why go fuck myself when there's a great big conspiracy pussy like you walking around?! You started the thread, so I'm just responding....you don't like the response, then go fawk yaself.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 12, 2024 15:56:54 GMT
Kozari & Sutherland were a disgrace, so horrible they got pulled from their Game #7 assignment by the NHL. I've never heard of that ever happening before, now that's bad.
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Post by nitelite on Jan 12, 2024 16:19:46 GMT
Kozari & Sutherland were a disgrace, so horrible they got pulled from their Game #7 assignment by the NHL. I've never heard of that ever happening before, now that's bad. WHICH exactly proves my point! Oh wait theyre the 2 refs that couldn't be turned to they got rid of them for that right Danny! 🙄🙄
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Post by davinator on Jan 12, 2024 16:28:00 GMT
Can some of you fucking tools stop with your fucking bullshit conspiracy theories! Save that shit for Reddit! This fucking garbage about the league being rigged & the refs having it out for Boston! GROW THE FUCK UP! YOU CAN'T RIG A HOCKEY GAME YOU DUMB FUCKS!UGH! Who is saying this? Link please...unless to are trying to start a conspiracy by asking not to talk about it...
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Post by davinator on Jan 12, 2024 16:29:31 GMT
I would argue that the best way to hear less about this topic, is not to start a new thread about it, in all CAPS. But that's just me. The officiating was dumb last night, but that's it. Just a crappy way to handle a tied game in the 3rd period, with a bunch of uber ticky-tack calls and unearned powerplays. No! It's not just about refs fletch! People going on about how the league helped the Knights get to the final in 2018 & the Flyers back in the day! Blah, blah, BULLSHIT! It's frustrating to read & hear it all the time! Oh well, THAT part is true.
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Post by nitelite on Jan 12, 2024 19:11:17 GMT
Can some of you fucking tools stop with your fucking bullshit conspiracy theories! Save that shit for Reddit! This fucking garbage about the league being rigged & the refs having it out for Boston! GROW THE FUCK UP! YOU CAN'T RIG A HOCKEY GAME YOU DUMB FUCKS!UGH! Who is saying this? Link please...unless to are trying to start a conspiracy by asking not to talk about it... People complain about the refs all the time as the cause of the B's losing! Then they add things in game threads like about the Knights & Flyers! There's no FUCKING LINK! I read it in HERE! If all you're doing is watching Bruins games & nobody else? Then, you're going off a small % of games in the league! The refs are consistently inconsistent across the board! There isn't ONE team they go after FFS! It's childish, ridiculous & beyond pathetic! A bad call is frustrating & your team losing sucks! But, to blame the demise of a team to some sort conspiracy? PPFFFT! Give us a break already GEEZUS!!
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Post by islamorada on Jan 12, 2024 20:05:04 GMT
Agreed, but does the NHL post the records of the refs per each team. Why not? Otherwise conspiracy theories will exist. Chris Lee was the referee last night. The refs name is listed as to who reffed what game. What difference does that make? The refs aren't the ones who scores the goals & who allows them! EVEN IF the refs were bought off & called penalties only against one team to help the another. THE ONLY WAY in order for them succeed is that players would have to be behind it as well! For instance let's just say the league wanted Boston to lose last night for whatever reason! The players on the Boston Bruins would have to be in on the rig, because they would have to make sure that they allow a goal to be scored against them wouldn't they? I'm sure if that was the case they wouldn't allow former players to live long after they retired! SOMEBODY WOULD'VE been a whistle blower by now!It's ridiculous thinking!! I think you misinterpreted my point. Transparency is already upon the NHL. I am not Bookboy in accumulating data. I am sure he could not do so on Chris Lee and the Bs, yet upon a quick look at the betting world now shaping, well, information is available to home team referees (https://www.covers.com/sport/hockey/nhl/referees/statistics/2023-2024?sortedby=atsh$). Although not against the Bs, the refereeing of Chris Lee is dubious if looking how he gives advantage of home teams. My point is not to denigrate but to realize the NHL cannot hide anymore with the auspicious held belief that the public is not aware of certain biases. I do believe Chris Lee has biases, last night it was apparent, either against the Bs or home team. These types of statistics should be made public, and yes referees should not be rewarded if they are biased. I agree with you, but make it clear to all by releasing information on the referees without sanctifying their exclusive right not to be criticized.
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Post by nitelite on Jan 12, 2024 20:46:37 GMT
No! It's not just about refs fletch! People going on about how the league helped the Knights get to the final in 2018 & the Flyers back in the day! Blah, blah, BULLSHIT! It's frustrating to read & hear it all the time! Oh well, THAT part is true. NO THEY FUCKING DIDN'T!! THAT'S GARBAGE!!
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Post by jmwalters on Jan 12, 2024 21:06:05 GMT
No…..
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 12, 2024 23:30:14 GMT
Oh well, THAT part is true. NO THEY FUCKING DIDN'T!! THAT'S GARBAGE!! A lot of it is just going one step into gong show land from things that can be simply observed. As Fletch said, the reffing last night was garbage. You can explain that in a couple of ways: one is that reffing an NHL game where a significant number of players are sneaky sonsabitches looking to cheat and get away with it is not easy at the best of times, you can't please everyone (some people hate ticky tack calls while others hate non-calls), and not everyone who refs an NHL game is equally good at it; the other is that the only way you could be that stupid and that biased as to call/not call that many things that benefit one team and hurt the other is that there's a conspiracy. Two is basically, yes, all of that, but they did it on purpose follow the money #TheyLive. In the case of Vegas, the thing that pushes it into conspiracy territory is the idea that the NHL helped the Knights to the Cup. But it's just plain old observation that the league was keen for new expansion owners to with deep pockets to have a chance to compete off the hop rather than languish in new markets and suck for a decade, so the expansion provisions for the Knights and Kraken was significantly better than for previous expansion clubs. The Knights did a wicked good job of exploiting that to its fullest, using other team's "smart" moves like dumping supposedly bad contracts against them, and their fears of losing cornerstone young players to leverage some killer trades. Little of column A.... The Ottawa radio crew is the absolute worst for complaining about the refs. They have doctorates in a field where Jack only has an MA. Frequently say that the refereeing in the NHL is embarrassing ... just like all major sports. But at least they don't say it's deliberate incompetence. One of the first episodes of Michael Lewis's podcast Against the Rules was one of the best things on why this is. He expressed the question as this: refereeing and the tools available to referees are objectively getting more and more things right, but the perception is that the refs are increasingly incompetent? Why? He laid out the metrics for the point about the refs being much better than in the past (NBA examples) given the constant video support from the eye in the sky, the chance to revise calls etc.. He addressed the point we've talked about with icing etc., that refs will err on the side of letting the play continue, sort of like playing the advantage in rugby where you don't stop the play if the consequences of an infraction might be worse for the team committing it if the play is allowed to continue, and eventually stopping play if the infraction proves an advantage. So let an offside play continue if it's close, and if a goal is scored, there are coach's challenges and the league from on high. But his conclusion on the perception of incompetence? No one actually wants "fair," least of all the players. They yell at the refs because they want it to be a penalty to chicken wing someone's stick rather than it be a hooking call on the guy whose stick is in position to be chicken winged...unless they're the one with the wing. Then they want the hook, and holding the stick is just...incidental and not at all a form of embellishment. They want to be able to influence the refs so they get an advantage rather than support the refs being entirely robotic and calling a perfectly fair game. So...yeah, bitching about the refs makes you part of the problem of why the refs are so bad.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jan 12, 2024 23:30:19 GMT
I don't think they're is a conspiracy theory, I think the refs just suck at their job and the league enables them to suck with antiquated rules and practices.
We've all (well, the majority of us) have black and gold glasses on and listen to a major Homer play by play guy, so the examples and instances of shitty reffing, which can be evidence of conspiracy theories are there... BUT, I'm sure every fan of every team can point out examples of this.. Not just B's fans. I remember blues fans thinking the refs were on the B's side in 2019. The refs simply are do not have the technology on their side, so shitty calls made by the only three guys without instant access to replays will be made while the rest of the world sees their blatant incorrect calls on multiple angles of replay.... How fucking DUMB is that?!
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Post by dannycater on Jan 12, 2024 23:55:06 GMT
who here does not like busting nite's balls? I thought so.
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Post by MrHulot on Jan 13, 2024 1:30:28 GMT
I would argue that the best way to hear less about this topic, is not to start a new thread about it, in all CAPS. But that's just me. The officiating was dumb last night, but that's it. Just a crappy way to handle a tied game in the 3rd period, with a bunch of uber ticky-tack calls and unearned powerplays. Brilliant.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jan 13, 2024 3:20:14 GMT
I would argue that the best way to hear less about this topic, is not to start a new thread about it, in all CAPS. But that's just me. The officiating was dumb last night, but that's it. Just a crappy way to handle a tied game in the 3rd period, with a bunch of uber ticky-tack calls and unearned powerplays. I don’t think they can rig an NHL, without it being obvious. NBA it’s been done, I have friends who swear the NFL is rigged, obviously baseball would be the easiest.
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Post by Fletcher on Jan 13, 2024 19:14:16 GMT
I don't think there's any credible conspiracy theory about the refs or league helping one team or another. I do think there are some ongoing areas of bias and poor officiating that impact games and teams, sometimes the Bruins. I wish I could remember the link and find the story, but there was an experiment from some media outlet where they tried to predict which team would get the next powerplay, after each preceding penalty call. The troubling thing is that they were fairly successful -- they could predict in a statistically significant kind of way which team was likely to get the next call (when obviously, that should be pretty darn close to 50/50).
There are game factors which make this more predictable than 50/50 (like when one team is down 6-0 in the 3rd, and frustrated, you'd bet on them to take the next penalty). This was more than that though, and most of the betting was simply guessed on balancing the calls. If one team had two powerplays in a row -- bet on the other team to get the next one. Of course, penalty calls should not involve a bias to balance out PP chances. That's ridiculous, from a fairness standpoint.
This^ was the problem related to the Bruins-Blues final and led to the removal of an officiating crew mid-series, which as 50-below pointed out, has never happened. It's game balancing, and it sure seemed liked Berube ushered in that mentality by pressuring the officials -- "let the teams decide the game by keeping the penalty calls even". Which is unspeakably dumb, and gives one team the license to play undisciplined, knowing that it really won't matter in the end, and the calls will even up. That type of crap happens, and some refs don't have the courage or nerve to face the opposing coach/media/fans and say "Yeah, the powerplays were 7-0 -- because your team kept taking penalties."
Anyhow, I don't think there are conspiracies at play and I don't think anything is rigged. I do think there are systemic problems with officiating sometimes, which can distinctly favor one team over another. Chris Lee is a ref that comes to mind, with a track record of head-scratchers too. In Vegas the other night, I think there was probably some intent to spice up a 0-0 tie in the 3rd period by suddenly awarding powerplays for things that typically aren't penalties. That's dumb, and I understand why it aggravated people.
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Post by Fletcher on Jan 13, 2024 19:19:51 GMT
I would argue that the best way to hear less about this topic, is not to start a new thread about it, in all CAPS. But that's just me. The officiating was dumb last night, but that's it. Just a crappy way to handle a tied game in the 3rd period, with a bunch of uber ticky-tack calls and unearned powerplays. I don’t think they can rig an NHL, without it being obvious. NBA it’s been done, I have friends who swear the NFL is rigged, obviously baseball would be the easiest. The silly thing about the "it's rigged!" people, is that they always seem to be huge fans that are totally vested in it. I mean, if you thought a sports league was actually rigged, with a predetermined winner, why on earth would you watch? Why would your invest money, time, and your emotions, if you thought it was fixed? That's why I never believe people when they say that. They'll sit there on the edge of their seat, biting their fingernails for three hours, and then when their team loses they'll say "Oh, of course -- it was rigged!". The only rational way to believe that it's all rigged, would be to quit watching it entirely as a response to that belief.
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