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Post by dannycater on Mar 5, 2024 15:32:21 GMT
My only hesitation is not really knowing how Sway will be in playoffs. But I guess if they don't announce something sooner, it will cause more acrimony between Sway and B's (arbitration then his commments when he made the All-Star Team). But you have to hold on to Linus at least through the 24 playoffs...as we know goalies come, go, get hurt, go into slumps, have bad games, have great games, etc. Maybe Sway can agree to a deal and keep it from Linus just in case the latter doesn’t take it too well that his B’S stint is coming to an end…. Agree the B’S should hang on to Linus for this playoff run because I don’t see any haul coming in the next few days…. You have to have a safety valve in goal...Linus is gone next season...he'll be traded but yeah it would be foolish to deal him at the trade deadline... |
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 5, 2024 16:35:50 GMT
My only hesitation is not really knowing how Sway will be in playoffs. But I guess if they don't announce something sooner, it will cause more acrimony between Sway and B's (arbitration then his commments when he made the All-Star Team). But you have to hold on to Linus at least through the 24 playoffs...as we know goalies come, go, get hurt, go into slumps, have bad games, have great games, etc. Maybe Sway can agree to a deal and keep it from Linus just in case the latter doesn’t take it too well that his B’S stint is coming to an end…. Agree the B’S should hang on to Linus for this playoff run because I don’t see any haul coming in the next few days…. Keep it from Ullmark ? Like not showing a 5 year old sibling the other kids birthday presents ? It's none of Ullmarks business what the team offers other players. Ullmark should be happy for his hug buddy. And Linus will get another good contract next season or next summer. NJ and Edmonton would over pay for Ullmark. |
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Mar 5, 2024 17:37:51 GMT
Maybe Sway can agree to a deal and keep it from Linus just in case the latter doesn’t take it too well that his B’S stint is coming to an end…. Agree the B’S should hang on to Linus for this playoff run because I don’t see any haul coming in the next few days…. Keep it from Ullmark ? Like not showing a 5 year old sibling the other kids birthday presents ? It's none of Ullmarks business what the team offers other players. Ullmark should be happy for his hug buddy. And Linus will get another good contract next season or next summer. NJ and Edmonton would over pay for Ullmark. Like you said, it’s none of his business…. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 6, 2024 2:14:34 GMT
That's the key in acquiring him, he's on an expiring deal so the B's won't be stuck with him. If that is the case then might as well go for McLeod and Foote ;p That would make sense. Apparently they like to do things as a group. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 6, 2024 2:16:34 GMT
Unless their names are Hughes (both) or Hischier, I don’t see anyone else on the Devils I’d take for Linus…. As for Toffoli, he’d be a nice rental….
Has been called "the Swiss Bergeron" more than once, and that's some high praise.
And from what I've seen, he's not that far off.
But I don't think the Devils would give up their captain (also a heart-and-soul guy).Can you trust him to stay healthy, though? |
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Post by The OC on Mar 6, 2024 3:02:36 GMT
If that is the case then might as well go for McLeod and Foote ;p That would make sense. Apparently they like to do things as a group. It feels wrong to like this even if I laugh at it. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 6, 2024 3:13:34 GMT
That would make sense. Apparently they like to do things as a group. It feels wrong to like this even if I laugh at it. The Aristocrats!! |
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Post by nitelite on Mar 6, 2024 16:42:48 GMT
Until Sway can win a series, or lose a series where he doesn't allow a goal that he'd like to have back & has a major impact on the game. I'd prefer they don't sign him until the off season. I love Sway & think he's a great goalie, but I don't think he's worth 7 million unless it's a maximum of a 3 yr deal. If he can play like he has most of the season & bring that into the playoffs? I have no issue giving him a 7 & 7!
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Post by dannycater on Mar 6, 2024 16:51:39 GMT
Until Sway can win a series, or lose a series where he doesn't allow a goal that he'd like to have back & has a major impact on the game. I'd prefer they don't sign him until the off season. I love Sway & think he's a great goalie, but I don't think he's worth 7 million unless it's a maximum of a 3 yr deal. If he can play like he has most of the season & bring that into the playoffs? I have no issue giving him a 7 & 7! Absolutely 100 percent...this is such a great post...from Goalie Nite. I don't know the rush to sign him long-term until he can prove some worth as a playoff performer...sure, it's not fair that he has such little playoff experience to date, but it's a valid argument. This is exactly WHY you don't trade Linus either...no one has any idea which goalie is going to click when it counts...so far, Linus hasn't been playoff spectacular either, but better to have the 2..and certainly not a good idea to sew up Sway. Root Beer gets a lot of flack about some of his team statements when things were not going well, but Sway ripped Sweeney with his reaction to making All-Star Team about being disturbed over the negativity of his arbitration hearing. It's business, Sway...and if this about making him happy? Then it's dumber to sign him now...Wait til the off-season and if Sway and his agent don't like it? Fuck em....Frankly, I don't know if either goalie can make a stop when it counts in a 6 on 5 the other way. Time for both of the goalies to step up. Tired of hearing about the D and the forwards not doing their jobs and goalies get to skate....bullshit. Make a fucking save to win a game. For what it's worth, I really miss Rask. Maybe he didn't make every big save in some big games, but he sure as hell held on to leads as well as anyone in B's history. He didn't have these cough ups--certainly very few and yes he had some that occurred in playoffs. |
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Post by nitelite on Mar 6, 2024 17:08:43 GMT
Until Sway can win a series, or lose a series where he doesn't allow a goal that he'd like to have back & has a major impact on the game. I'd prefer they don't sign him until the off season. I love Sway & think he's a great goalie, but I don't think he's worth 7 million unless it's a maximum of a 3 yr deal. If he can play like he has most of the season & bring that into the playoffs? I have no issue giving him a 7 & 7! Absolutely 100 percent...this is such a great post...from Goalie Nite. I don't know the rush to sign him long-term until he can prove some worth as a playoff performer...sure, it's not fair that he has such little playoff experience to date, but it's a valid argument. This is exactly WHY you don't trade Linus either...no one has any idea which goalie is going to click when it counts...so far, Linus hasn't been playoff spectacular either, but better to have the 2..and certainly not a good idea to sew up Sway. Root Beer gets a lot of flack about some of his team statements when things were not going well, but Sway ripped Sweeney with his reaction to making All-Star Team about being disturbed over the negativity of his arbitration hearing. It's business, Sway...and if this about making him happy? Then it's dumber to sign him now...Wait til the off-season and if Sway and his agent don't like it? Fuck em....Frankly, I don't know if either goalie can make a stop when it counts in a 6 on 5 the other way. Time for both of the goalies to step up. Tired of hearing about the D and the forwards not doing their jobs and goalies get to skate....bullshit. Make a fucking save to win a game. For what it's worth, I really miss Rask. Maybe he didn't make every big save in some big games, but he sure as hell held on to leads as well as anyone in B's history. He didn't have these cough ups--certainly very few and yes he had some that occurred in playoffs. Rask had some incredible playoffs & I think the B's were extremely lucky to have another goalie to basically jump in where Thomas left off! The other thing I don't like about giving Sway a long term deal is that nobody knows of he's prepared to be a workhorse IN CASE Bucci isn't able to bring it in the bigs! Not to beat a dead horse, but I just wish they would've given Bucci a start when Ully was injured. Sure one game wouldn't tell a lot, but it could've given at least some indication where exactly he is. A lot of us thought that Subban was going to be the next one in line, but his 2 starts with the B's were horrific to say the least! He just couldn't seem to bring his OHL success anywhere near to where he was supposed to be. |
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Post by dannycater on Mar 6, 2024 17:16:03 GMT
Absolutely 100 percent...this is such a great post...from Goalie Nite. I don't know the rush to sign him long-term until he can prove some worth as a playoff performer...sure, it's not fair that he has such little playoff experience to date, but it's a valid argument. This is exactly WHY you don't trade Linus either...no one has any idea which goalie is going to click when it counts...so far, Linus hasn't been playoff spectacular either, but better to have the 2..and certainly not a good idea to sew up Sway. Root Beer gets a lot of flack about some of his team statements when things were not going well, but Sway ripped Sweeney with his reaction to making All-Star Team about being disturbed over the negativity of his arbitration hearing. It's business, Sway...and if this about making him happy? Then it's dumber to sign him now...Wait til the off-season and if Sway and his agent don't like it? Fuck em....Frankly, I don't know if either goalie can make a stop when it counts in a 6 on 5 the other way. Time for both of the goalies to step up. Tired of hearing about the D and the forwards not doing their jobs and goalies get to skate....bullshit. Make a fucking save to win a game. For what it's worth, I really miss Rask. Maybe he didn't make every big save in some big games, but he sure as hell held on to leads as well as anyone in B's history. He didn't have these cough ups--certainly very few and yes he had some that occurred in playoffs. Rask had some incredible playoffs & I think the B's were extremely lucky to have another goalie to basically jump in where Thomas left off! The other thing I don't like about giving Sway a long term deal is that nobody knows of he's prepared to be a workhorse IN CASE Bucci isn't able to bring it in the bigs! Not to beat a dead horse, but I just wish they would've given Bucci a start when Ully was injured. Sure one game wouldn't tell a lot, but it could've given at least some indication where exactly he is. A lot of us thought that Subban was going to be the next one in line, but his 2 starts with the B's were horrific to say the least! He just couldn't seem to bring his OHL success anywhere near to where he was supposed to be. My one small defense for Roadhouse is did seem to thrive when he did get regular starts (5 in a row?) when Ullmark got hurt...Maybe he will be a workhorse in the future...But for now, I'm with you 100 percent..including using a Bussi or the other Providence goalie for a start or 2... |
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 6, 2024 17:32:50 GMT
Absolutely 100 percent...this is such a great post...from Goalie Nite. I don't know the rush to sign him long-term until he can prove some worth as a playoff performer...sure, it's not fair that he has such little playoff experience to date, but it's a valid argument. This is exactly WHY you don't trade Linus either...no one has any idea which goalie is going to click when it counts...so far, Linus hasn't been playoff spectacular either, but better to have the 2..and certainly not a good idea to sew up Sway. Root Beer gets a lot of flack about some of his team statements when things were not going well, but Sway ripped Sweeney with his reaction to making All-Star Team about being disturbed over the negativity of his arbitration hearing. It's business, Sway...and if this about making him happy? Then it's dumber to sign him now...Wait til the off-season and if Sway and his agent don't like it? Fuck em....Frankly, I don't know if either goalie can make a stop when it counts in a 6 on 5 the other way. Time for both of the goalies to step up. Tired of hearing about the D and the forwards not doing their jobs and goalies get to skate....bullshit. Make a fucking save to win a game. For what it's worth, I really miss Rask. Maybe he didn't make every big save in some big games, but he sure as hell held on to leads as well as anyone in B's history. He didn't have these cough ups--certainly very few and yes he had some that occurred in playoffs. Rask had some incredible playoffs & I think the B's were extremely lucky to have another goalie to basically jump in where Thomas left off! The other thing I don't like about giving Sway a long term deal is that nobody knows of he's prepared to be a workhorse IN CASE Bucci isn't able to bring it in the bigs! Not to beat a dead horse, but I just wish they would've given Bucci a start when Ully was injured. Sure one game wouldn't tell a lot, but it could've given at least some indication where exactly he is. A lot of us thought that Subban was going to be the next one in line, but his 2 starts with the B's were horrific to say the least! He just couldn't seem to bring his OHL success anywhere near to where he was supposed to be. I didn't think Swayman was 100% gonna be this good compared to his AHL numbers. I did know Swayze would be good going from Maine to Providence. For as big as he is, Bussi is really good. And Providence D is not particularly great. |
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Post by umainebruinsfan on Mar 6, 2024 17:40:20 GMT
Having watched Swayman live on a weekly basis when he was at UMaine, I can tell you that he wants to be in net every game. I know a college season isn't 81 games long, but they do play back to backs every weekend and he was in net every night. And he carried that team. They weren't a good team at all and he carried them, often making 35, 40, even 50 saves. I think being the workhorse is something that he would thrive with.
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Post by nitelite on Mar 6, 2024 18:31:41 GMT
Having watched Swayman live on a weekly basis when he was at UMaine, I can tell you that he wants to be in net every game. I know a college season isn't 81 games long, but they do play back to backs every weekend and he was in net every night. And he carried that team. They weren't a good team at all and he carried them, often making 35, 40, even 50 saves. I think being the workhorse is something that he would thrive with. I'm not willing to give him a 7 & 7 deal until I see that he can be very consistent in the post season 1st. I'm not willing to bet he's a workhorse because of what he did in college either! IF the B's & Sway want a deal done now? I'd prefer a 3 yr at 7 per. If they wait until the off season? I'd base the term on his playoff performance. |
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Post by chappy28 on Mar 7, 2024 14:14:57 GMT
Until Sway can win a series, or lose a series where he doesn't allow a goal that he'd like to have back & has a major impact on the game. I'd prefer they don't sign him until the off season. I love Sway & think he's a great goalie, but I don't think he's worth 7 million unless it's a maximum of a 3 yr deal. If he can play like he has most of the season & bring that into the playoffs? I have no issue giving him a 7 & 7! Absolutely 100 percent...this is such a great post...from Goalie Nite. I don't know the rush to sign him long-term until he can prove some worth as a playoff performer...sure, it's not fair that he has such little playoff experience to date, but it's a valid argument. This is exactly WHY you don't trade Linus either...no one has any idea which goalie is going to click when it counts...so far, Linus hasn't been playoff spectacular either, but better to have the 2..and certainly not a good idea to sew up Sway. Root Beer gets a lot of flack about some of his team statements when things were not going well, but Sway ripped Sweeney with his reaction to making All-Star Team about being disturbed over the negativity of his arbitration hearing. It's business, Sway...and if this about making him happy? Then it's dumber to sign him now...Wait til the off-season and if Sway and his agent don't like it? Fuck em....Frankly, I don't know if either goalie can make a stop when it counts in a 6 on 5 the other way. Time for both of the goalies to step up. Tired of hearing about the D and the forwards not doing their jobs and goalies get to skate....bullshit. Make a fucking save to win a game. For what it's worth, I really miss Rask. Maybe he didn't make every big save in some big games, but he sure as hell held on to leads as well as anyone in B's history. He didn't have these cough ups--certainly very few and yes he had some that occurred in playoffs. I think the rush to sign him is so they can take offers on Ullmark, or at least listen to them seriously. I don't think anybody wants the B's to open themselves up to a scenario of losing both of these goalies, or losing either of them for nothing. We don't "have" to move Linus this deadline, but if somebody makes Sweeney the kind of offer he can't refuse, I want him to take it. He can't take it if he doesn't already have Swayman secured because all of the sudden the Swayman camp would have Sweeney over the barrel. I think your post, like many of our posts, starts to make some pretty big assumptions on the individual vs. team play. Are we losing late in games because our goalies suck in crunch-time? Or are we losing late games because our loss of a guy like Bergy who was possible the best defensive player in NHL history and also a perennial top 5 face-off guy in the league? It's great to give Tuukka credit for his great play, but again, Tuukka played on a decade of Bruins teams where the Bruins were dominant in possession and FO metrics and also had a guy named Chara, another all time great defensive player in the NHL, roaming the D-zone and shutting down plays late in games. Not shitting on Tuukka, just saying it's hard to separate the individual play from the team in front of them and vice-versa. I'm more of the mind that hockey is the ULTIMATE team sport. Doesn't matter how good your best players are, you can't be successfully due to individual play. That's why Toronto hasn't broken through with a rediculous glut of offensive talent, and Edmonton is still trying to break through despite the fact that they have two of the best centers in the world on their team right now, reminiscent of Lemieux and Jagr. Right now, as should have been expected, this team is going through an adjustment period as a result of moving on from the top two-way 1-2 punch at center in hockey for the last 15 years. Our system asks a lot of their centers and as much as you want to give Coyle and Zacha credit for what they've been able to deliver this season, in no world is Zacha+Coyle>Bergy+DK. The other non-goalie related factor is the fact that our defense has been pretty terrible at clearing out the front of the net. Chucky is the only defenseman that instinctively takes the body and neutralizes guys in front of the net. Carlo's been great and uses that big stick, but I'd like to see him dump some guys on their ass for poking at our goalies. Gryz is too weak to even try to be physical out front. Forbort is too slow. Lindholm too hurt (will be nice to get him back). As for the goalie situation going forward. You have to take some calculated risks. Sway or Ullmark? Older and more proven vs. younger and more perceived "upside"? Both will be expensive to keep that makes it unlikely/dump/impossible to keep them both past the next two years. These are the decisions that GM's get paid so well to make because there is no easy cut and dry answer. You need to make an assessment and decide which risk you want to take. |
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 7, 2024 16:52:24 GMT
Rask had some incredible playoffs & I think the B's were extremely lucky to have another goalie to basically jump in where Thomas left off! The other thing I don't like about giving Sway a long term deal is that nobody knows of he's prepared to be a workhorse IN CASE Bucci isn't able to bring it in the bigs! Not to beat a dead horse, but I just wish they would've given Bucci a start when Ully was injured. Sure one game wouldn't tell a lot, but it could've given at least some indication where exactly he is. A lot of us thought that Subban was going to be the next one in line, but his 2 starts with the B's were horrific to say the least! He just couldn't seem to bring his OHL success anywhere near to where he was supposed to be. I didn't think Swayman was 100% gonna be this good compared to his AHL numbers. I did know Swayze would be good going from Maine to Providence. For as big as he is, Bussi is really good. And Providence D is not particularly great. And thats putting it politely. Bussi is fine as an NHL backup and he's been very solid for Prov this year as the D in front of him has been shaky. Lot of turnover PBruin blueline last year to this year. |
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 7, 2024 16:55:09 GMT
Absolutely 100 percent...this is such a great post...from Goalie Nite. I don't know the rush to sign him long-term until he can prove some worth as a playoff performer...sure, it's not fair that he has such little playoff experience to date, but it's a valid argument. This is exactly WHY you don't trade Linus either...no one has any idea which goalie is going to click when it counts...so far, Linus hasn't been playoff spectacular either, but better to have the 2..and certainly not a good idea to sew up Sway. Root Beer gets a lot of flack about some of his team statements when things were not going well, but Sway ripped Sweeney with his reaction to making All-Star Team about being disturbed over the negativity of his arbitration hearing. It's business, Sway...and if this about making him happy? Then it's dumber to sign him now...Wait til the off-season and if Sway and his agent don't like it? Fuck em....Frankly, I don't know if either goalie can make a stop when it counts in a 6 on 5 the other way. Time for both of the goalies to step up. Tired of hearing about the D and the forwards not doing their jobs and goalies get to skate....bullshit. Make a fucking save to win a game. For what it's worth, I really miss Rask. Maybe he didn't make every big save in some big games, but he sure as hell held on to leads as well as anyone in B's history. He didn't have these cough ups--certainly very few and yes he had some that occurred in playoffs. I think the rush to sign him is so they can take offers on Ullmark, or at least listen to them seriously. I don't think anybody wants the B's to open themselves up to a scenario of losing both of these goalies, or losing either of them for nothing. We don't "have" to move Linus this deadline, but if somebody makes Sweeney the kind of offer he can't refuse, I want him to take it. He can't take it if he doesn't already have Swayman secured because all of the sudden the Swayman camp would have Sweeney over the barrel. I think your post, like many of our posts, starts to make some pretty big assumptions on the individual vs. team play. Are we losing late in games because our goalies suck in crunch-time? Or are we losing late games because our loss of a guy like Bergy who was possible the best defensive player in NHL history and also a perennial top 5 face-off guy in the league? It's great to give Tuukka credit for his great play, but again, Tuukka played on a decade of Bruins teams where the Bruins were dominant in possession and FO metrics and also had a guy named Chara, another all time great defensive player in the NHL, roaming the D-zone and shutting down plays late in games. Not shitting on Tuukka, just saying it's hard to separate the individual play from the team in front of them and vice-versa. I'm more of the mind that hockey is the ULTIMATE team sport. Doesn't matter how good your best players are, you can't be successfully due to individual play. That's why Toronto hasn't broken through with a rediculous glut of offensive talent, and Edmonton is still trying to break through despite the fact that they have two of the best centers in the world on their team right now, reminiscent of Lemieux and Jagr. Right now, as should have been expected, this team is going through an adjustment period as a result of moving on from the top two-way 1-2 punch at center in hockey for the last 15 years. Our system asks a lot of their centers and as much as you want to give Coyle and Zacha credit for what they've been able to deliver this season, in no world is Zacha+Coyle>Bergy+DK. The other non-goalie related factor is the fact that our defense has been pretty terrible at clearing out the front of the net. Chucky is the only defenseman that instinctively takes the body and neutralizes guys in front of the net. Carlo's been great and uses that big stick, but I'd like to see him dump some guys on their ass for poking at our goalies. Gryz is too weak to even try to be physical out front. Forbort is too slow. Lindholm too hurt (will be nice to get him back). As for the goalie situation going forward. You have to take some calculated risks. Sway or Ullmark? Older and more proven vs. younger and more perceived "upside"? Both will be expensive to keep that makes it unlikely/dump/impossible to keep them both past the next two years. These are the decisions that GM's get paid so well to make because there is no easy cut and dry answer. You need to make an assessment and decide which risk you want to take. I like you and this isnt personal but I think the bolded is overblown. I think most contracts end up being around what the player has been, who they project him to be, and comparisons for similars. I dont think team depth has much to do with it. I dont think Ullmarks presence changes what Sway will get that much. |
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Post by nitelite on Mar 7, 2024 16:59:44 GMT
Absolutely 100 percent...this is such a great post...from Goalie Nite. I don't know the rush to sign him long-term until he can prove some worth as a playoff performer...sure, it's not fair that he has such little playoff experience to date, but it's a valid argument. This is exactly WHY you don't trade Linus either...no one has any idea which goalie is going to click when it counts...so far, Linus hasn't been playoff spectacular either, but better to have the 2..and certainly not a good idea to sew up Sway. Root Beer gets a lot of flack about some of his team statements when things were not going well, but Sway ripped Sweeney with his reaction to making All-Star Team about being disturbed over the negativity of his arbitration hearing. It's business, Sway...and if this about making him happy? Then it's dumber to sign him now...Wait til the off-season and if Sway and his agent don't like it? Fuck em....Frankly, I don't know if either goalie can make a stop when it counts in a 6 on 5 the other way. Time for both of the goalies to step up. Tired of hearing about the D and the forwards not doing their jobs and goalies get to skate....bullshit. Make a fucking save to win a game. For what it's worth, I really miss Rask. Maybe he didn't make every big save in some big games, but he sure as hell held on to leads as well as anyone in B's history. He didn't have these cough ups--certainly very few and yes he had some that occurred in playoffs. I think the rush to sign him is so they can take offers on Ullmark, or at least listen to them seriously. I don't think anybody wants the B's to open themselves up to a scenario of losing both of these goalies, or losing either of them for nothing. We don't "have" to move Linus this deadline, but if somebody makes Sweeney the kind of offer he can't refuse, I want him to take it. He can't take it if he doesn't already have Swayman secured because all of the sudden the Swayman camp would have Sweeney over the barrel. I think your post, like many of our posts, starts to make some pretty big assumptions on the individual vs. team play. Are we losing late in games because our goalies suck in crunch-time? Or are we losing late games because our loss of a guy like Bergy who was possible the best defensive player in NHL history and also a perennial top 5 face-off guy in the league? It's great to give Tuukka credit for his great play, but again, Tuukka played on a decade of Bruins teams where the Bruins were dominant in possession and FO metrics and also had a guy named Chara, another all time great defensive player in the NHL, roaming the D-zone and shutting down plays late in games. Not shitting on Tuukka, just saying it's hard to separate the individual play from the team in front of them and vice-versa. I'm more of the mind that hockey is the ULTIMATE team sport. Doesn't matter how good your best players are, you can't be successfully due to individual play. That's why Toronto hasn't broken through with a rediculous glut of offensive talent, and Edmonton is still trying to break through despite the fact that they have two of the best centers in the world on their team right now, reminiscent of Lemieux and Jagr. Right now, as should have been expected, this team is going through an adjustment period as a result of moving on from the top two-way 1-2 punch at center in hockey for the last 15 years. Our system asks a lot of their centers and as much as you want to give Coyle and Zacha credit for what they've been able to deliver this season, in no world is Zacha+Coyle>Bergy+DK. The other non-goalie related factor is the fact that our defense has been pretty terrible at clearing out the front of the net. Chucky is the only defenseman that instinctively takes the body and neutralizes guys in front of the net. Carlo's been great and uses that big stick, but I'd like to see him dump some guys on their ass for poking at our goalies. Gryz is too weak to even try to be physical out front. Forbort is too slow. Lindholm too hurt (will be nice to get him back). As for the goalie situation going forward. You have to take some calculated risks. Sway or Ullmark? Older and more proven vs. younger and more perceived "upside"? Both will be expensive to keep that makes it unlikely/dump/impossible to keep them both past the next two years. These are the decisions that GM's get paid so well to make because there is no easy cut and dry answer. You need to make an assessment and decide which risk you want to take. I disagree with your assessment 💯 on the goalies.The Bruins best thing they have right now is their tandem & right now who's left that can come along & help the B's beat a team like the Panthers for this run? Being objective, a little bit of knowledge & taking your black & gold glasses off. Expecting some magical switch to be turned on for the playoffs is wishful thinking. The consensus of this team going into this season was probably a wild card spot! They're not even playing well enough to get that IF they were in that position right now. So, what team out of the 16 that Ullmark will be willing to go to has someone that they'd give to get Ully? Out of those 16 how many are a playoff team? I highly doubt that the reigning Vezina Trophy winner will be ok to go to a non playoff team. So, that again narrows down who exactly will be the Bruins be able to get? Toffelli looks like about the best available who's someone the team needs, but WHY would Ully want to go there & most likely not play in the post season. Ullmark has a yr left & Donnie doesn't have many picks coming up. Apparently this year's draft is quite weak. I say Donnie keeps Ully & Swayman & only trades Ully IF Sway plays well enough to think he deserves a long term deal. If that works out? Then MAYBE Donnie can get a 1st Rd pick for next year's stronger draft using Ullmark to help get that.I think Sweeney knows that this team hasn't got the goods, the cap space, or the picks & prospects needed to go on a run this year. He'll make a move or 2, but I'll be shocked if he breaks up their strongest asset in a season where they KNOW they're not beating the real contenders this season. They have far too many needs this season. |
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 7, 2024 17:17:29 GMT
I think the rush to sign him is so they can take offers on Ullmark, or at least listen to them seriously. I don't think anybody wants the B's to open themselves up to a scenario of losing both of these goalies, or losing either of them for nothing. We don't "have" to move Linus this deadline, but if somebody makes Sweeney the kind of offer he can't refuse, I want him to take it. He can't take it if he doesn't already have Swayman secured because all of the sudden the Swayman camp would have Sweeney over the barrel. I think your post, like many of our posts, starts to make some pretty big assumptions on the individual vs. team play. Are we losing late in games because our goalies suck in crunch-time? Or are we losing late games because our loss of a guy like Bergy who was possible the best defensive player in NHL history and also a perennial top 5 face-off guy in the league? It's great to give Tuukka credit for his great play, but again, Tuukka played on a decade of Bruins teams where the Bruins were dominant in possession and FO metrics and also had a guy named Chara, another all time great defensive player in the NHL, roaming the D-zone and shutting down plays late in games. Not shitting on Tuukka, just saying it's hard to separate the individual play from the team in front of them and vice-versa. I'm more of the mind that hockey is the ULTIMATE team sport. Doesn't matter how good your best players are, you can't be successfully due to individual play. That's why Toronto hasn't broken through with a rediculous glut of offensive talent, and Edmonton is still trying to break through despite the fact that they have two of the best centers in the world on their team right now, reminiscent of Lemieux and Jagr. Right now, as should have been expected, this team is going through an adjustment period as a result of moving on from the top two-way 1-2 punch at center in hockey for the last 15 years. Our system asks a lot of their centers and as much as you want to give Coyle and Zacha credit for what they've been able to deliver this season, in no world is Zacha+Coyle>Bergy+DK. The other non-goalie related factor is the fact that our defense has been pretty terrible at clearing out the front of the net. Chucky is the only defenseman that instinctively takes the body and neutralizes guys in front of the net. Carlo's been great and uses that big stick, but I'd like to see him dump some guys on their ass for poking at our goalies. Gryz is too weak to even try to be physical out front. Forbort is too slow. Lindholm too hurt (will be nice to get him back). As for the goalie situation going forward. You have to take some calculated risks. Sway or Ullmark? Older and more proven vs. younger and more perceived "upside"? Both will be expensive to keep that makes it unlikely/dump/impossible to keep them both past the next two years. These are the decisions that GM's get paid so well to make because there is no easy cut and dry answer. You need to make an assessment and decide which risk you want to take. I disagree with your assessment 💯 on the goalies.The Bruins best thing they have right now is their tandem & right now who's left that can come along & help the B's beat a team like the Panthers for this run? Being objective, a little bit of knowledge & taking your black & gold glasses off. Expecting some magical switch to be turned on for the playoffs is wishful thinking. The consensus of this team going into this season was probably a wild card spot! They're not even playing well enough to get that IF they were in that position right now. So, what team out of the 16 that Ullmark will be willing to go to has someone that they'd give to get Ully? Out of those 16 how many are a playoff team? I highly doubt that the reigning Vezina Trophy winner will be ok to go to a non playoff team. So, that again narrows down who exactly will be the Bruins be able to get? Toffelli looks like about the best available who's someone the team needs, but WHY would Ully want to go there & most likely not play in the post season. Ullmark has a yr left & Donnie doesn't have many picks coming up. Apparently this year's draft is quite weak. I say Donnie keeps Ully & Swayman & only trades Ully IF Sway plays well enough to think he deserves a long term deal. If that works out? Then MAYBE Donnie can get a 1st Rd pick for next year's stronger draft using Ullmark to help get that.I think Sweeney knows that this team hasn't got the goods, the cap space, or the picks & prospects needed to go on a run this year. He'll make a move or 2, but I'll be shocked if he breaks up their strongest asset in a season where they KNOW they're not beating the real contenders this season. They have far too many needs this season. Nah, we've seen too many 5,6,7,8 seeds make deep runs to think we're too flawed with too many holes to go anywhere. This isnt basketball. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 7, 2024 17:32:04 GMT
Having watched Swayman live on a weekly basis when he was at UMaine, I can tell you that he wants to be in net every game. I know a college season isn't 81 games long, but they do play back to backs every weekend and he was in net every night. And he carried that team. They weren't a good team at all and he carried them, often making 35, 40, even 50 saves. I think being the workhorse is something that he would thrive with. I'm not willing to give him a 7 & 7 deal until I see that he can be very consistent in the post season 1st. I'm not willing to bet he's a workhorse because of what he did in college either! IF the B's & Sway want a deal done now? I'd prefer a 3 yr at 7 per. If they wait until the off season? I'd base the term on his playoff performance. I get it, but it's a negotiation. And we don't know what the Swayman camp is actually asking for term. But he has arb rights, and if he uses them, he can walk to UFA. That's a realistic scenario for a kid who everyone says has no shortage of confidence. Second part of the equation, in my mind, is that you might not be comfortable giving him 7 years at $7M until he proves he's a playoff difference maker, HE might not be comfortable at $7M once he proves himself in the playoffs. He might think that an elite #1 who is also a playoff performer should be a Vagisil/Bobrovsky comparable. If you try to hold the line at 3 years, he might decide it's in his best interest to play out this postseason, go to arbitration, and then go to market. I could see the resolution to this being a Matthews. #Buston signed for four years (or was it three?) because it would put him back on the market short of his 30th birthday, giving him a chance at one last big contract. For Swayman the math - with more or less the same performance in the crease - might be $28M(4x7)+$45M(5x9)=$73M vs. $49M(7x7)+$10M(2x$5M)=$59M. Both paths lead to a 34 yr old goalie likely on a string of one or two year deals even if he's still producing, but the guy signing a big deal at 29 is selling prime years in his second negotiation and the guy negotiating at 32 is already up against the perceived risk of a decline due to age. Look how fast the end came for Tuukka? For the Bruins, that 4 year deal could cost more in the long run if Swayman remains a Bruin for his whole career, but you're paying for the out if you eventually feel like you can't win with him in the playoffs. It also ideally gives you a couple of seasons to see if HE is the reason, and if he is, to try out a couple of guys in tandem who could be the Billy Smith to his Chico Resch. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 7, 2024 17:34:16 GMT
I disagree with your assessment 💯 on the goalies.The Bruins best thing they have right now is their tandem & right now who's left that can come along & help the B's beat a team like the Panthers for this run? Being objective, a little bit of knowledge & taking your black & gold glasses off. Expecting some magical switch to be turned on for the playoffs is wishful thinking. The consensus of this team going into this season was probably a wild card spot! They're not even playing well enough to get that IF they were in that position right now. So, what team out of the 16 that Ullmark will be willing to go to has someone that they'd give to get Ully? Out of those 16 how many are a playoff team? I highly doubt that the reigning Vezina Trophy winner will be ok to go to a non playoff team. So, that again narrows down who exactly will be the Bruins be able to get? Toffelli looks like about the best available who's someone the team needs, but WHY would Ully want to go there & most likely not play in the post season. Ullmark has a yr left & Donnie doesn't have many picks coming up. Apparently this year's draft is quite weak. I say Donnie keeps Ully & Swayman & only trades Ully IF Sway plays well enough to think he deserves a long term deal. If that works out? Then MAYBE Donnie can get a 1st Rd pick for next year's stronger draft using Ullmark to help get that.I think Sweeney knows that this team hasn't got the goods, the cap space, or the picks & prospects needed to go on a run this year. He'll make a move or 2, but I'll be shocked if he breaks up their strongest asset in a season where they KNOW they're not beating the real contenders this season. They have far too many needs this season. Nah, we've seen too many 5,6,7,8 seeds make deep runs to think we're too flawed with too many holes to go anywhere. This isnt basketball. Build the best team using the resources at your disposal. Roll the dice. |
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 7, 2024 17:37:06 GMT
I'm not willing to give him a 7 & 7 deal until I see that he can be very consistent in the post season 1st. I'm not willing to bet he's a workhorse because of what he did in college either! IF the B's & Sway want a deal done now? I'd prefer a 3 yr at 7 per. If they wait until the off season? I'd base the term on his playoff performance. I get it, but it's a negotiation. And we don't know what the Swayman camp is actually asking for term. But he has arb rights, and if he uses them, he can walk to UFA. That's a realistic scenario for a kid who everyone says has no shortage of confidence. Second part of the equation, in my mind, is that you might not be comfortable giving him 7 years at $7M until he proves he's a playoff difference maker, HE might not be comfortable at $7M once he proves himself in the playoffs. He might think that an elite #1 who is also a playoff performer should be a Vagisil/Bobrovsky comparable. If you try to hold the line at 3 years, he might decide it's in his best interest to play out this postseason, go to arbitration, and then go to market. I could see the resolution to this being a Matthews. #Buston signed for four years (or was it three?) because it would put him back on the market short of his 30th birthday, giving him a chance at one last big contract. For Swayman the math - with more or less the same performance in the crease - might be $28M(4x7)+$45M(5x9)=$73M vs. $49M(7x7)+$10M(2x$5M)=$59M. Both paths lead to a 34 yr old goalie likely on a string of one or two year deals even if he's still producing, but the guy signing a big deal at 29 is selling prime years in his second negotiation and the guy negotiating at 32 is already up against the perceived risk of a decline due to age. Look how fast the end came for Tuukka? For the Bruins, that 4 year deal could cost more in the long run if Swayman remains a Bruin for his whole career, but you're paying for the out if you eventually feel like you can't win with him in the playoffs. It also ideally gives you a couple of seasons to see if HE is the reason, and if he is, to try out a couple of guys in tandem who could be the Billy Smith to his Chico Resch. Agreed, its a gamble. You lock him up now and he proves himself in playoffs, ideally you would have surplus value because you locked him before this happened. The only thing you dont want to do is lock him at a price that already reflects he's a top proven goalie because there is no upside there. But if top goalies are making 10, having him signed at 7 feels like theres upside there. |
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