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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 16:55:29 GMT
Open thread. Can talk about anything. A player reaching the 500 milestone is chat worthy. Even if it ismt I don't care bc its on the open thread. #suckmesideways So are you telling me you don't bring up your binkies at all on the Bruins Board, just here? Ok, let me go on a fact checking mission, I'll be right back with some gold. And you haven't? Eat a dick. Any example you better have the complete story which is likely a bait job.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 16:59:19 GMT
A few yrs ago everyone said they need to blow it up. I think their fwds are best out there. Goalie wise they are good. Defense has been extremely steady but need some health. Orlov has been outstanding as has Schmidt. A few years ago, some of those people would have been right, and while the Caps never 'blew it up' they certainly have had some significant roster turnover in weeding out the Alex Semins' and Mike Greens', and pairing the amended roster with the right coach. I do think they showed patience with a bunch of young players that are really paying dividends now. I think the young home-grown defensmen are excellent -- Orlov, Alzner, and Carlson (better than the expensive signings). I also think they have some pretty bad contracts and they better strike fast because it's gong to catch up with them on that roster. Orpik's is awful. Cap hell is coming... That's the thing though. They just cleared out guys like fehr, ward, green brouwer. They replaced with young guys. Its how its supposed to happen plus they've been drafting well. I don't see how they would have been right. Semin was already gone. They had lots of young prospects they were waiting on. They are stocked full. And when the time comes they will keep who they feel are vital. LA Chicago keep making the cap look easy.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 8, 2016 17:12:17 GMT
As good as he is, he scores all those points and doesnt win anything, whats the difference between him and Joe Thornton? 1. I like watching Ovechkin play. He play like he's having fun when he has the puck. He will go hellbent for leather to the net and damn the consequences. He's dynamic. You never see him deliberately skate to the half wall with the puck so he can find his happy place. 2. He has 113 hits this season, good for 12 among forwards. JT Sissypants has 31, and he only 39 all year last year. 3. He takes the playoff losing personally. He doesn't shrug it off as "well, I did my job." And in many of those earlier failures, he could have - 21 points in 14 games in 2008/09, 10 in 7 games, 10 in 9 games in other years. He's had a couple of down years, but only 1 where he was anywhere close to the J0e-fer. I'm still not sure I would want to pay $10M for him, though, as much fun as he is. I've had the same experience seeing him live as Henry. Saw him at MSG once where he came out like a house on fire, scored the first goal of the game 5 minutes in, assisted on the second before the end of the first period (drove the net, created havoc, someone knocked in the loose puck). Then he went to sleep and I don't remember a single shift after that. He is less unapologetically one-dimensional than he had been, absolutely, and that one dimension is great to watch. But he needs a great supporting cast, and that's hard to assemble when he's earning that huge nut. They look really good this year. But it's going to be a short window with this group - this year and next - to try to capitalize...yeah, I did. As for Gretzky, Ovechkin would be much closer at 30 if he hadn't lost a year and a half in his prime to lockouts. Give him a conservative 70 over that time and he's approaching 600 now. As it is, he needs another 400 goals to catch Gretzky, meaning he'll need to keep potting 50 a year until he's 39. I don't see it. He might not get 50 this year. He's "on pace" for 46. And as much as he's a tank, big guys decline quickly when they do. That said, I think he takes a run at Howe. He'll need less than 300 by the end of this year, so if he sticks around North America until he's 40, I can see him averaging at least 25 a year and getting to 802. Say, 50, 50, 45, 40, 35, 30, 20, 20 10.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 17:23:42 GMT
So are you telling me you don't bring up your binkies at all on the Bruins Board, just here? Ok, let me go on a fact checking mission, I'll be right back with some gold. And you haven't? Eat a dick. Any example you better have the complete story which is likely a bait job. Yeah I know, it's always someone else's fault. I say this to my 3 teenagers all the time. They get it.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jan 8, 2016 17:31:23 GMT
"which is likely a bait job"
Hmmm let me think who is really good at that on this board ?...
PS. "JT Sissypants" that is another beauty!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 17:47:01 GMT
And you haven't? Eat a dick. Any example you better have the complete story which is likely a bait job. Yeah I know, it's always someone else's fault. I say this to my 3 teenagers all the time. They get it. I'm guilty of playing along and doing so in a light hearted way. Ovi cracking 500 is worthy of chat on the open thread. Stop being a vagina.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jan 8, 2016 17:52:34 GMT
As good as he is, he scores all those points and doesnt win anything, whats the difference between him and Joe Thornton? 1. I like watching Ovechkin play. He play like he's having fun when he has the puck. He will go hellbent for leather to the net and damn the consequences. He's dynamic. You never see him deliberately skate to the half wall with the puck so he can find his happy place. 2. He has 113 hits this season, good for 12 among forwards. JT Sissypants has 31, and he only 39 all year last year. 3. He takes the playoff losing personally. He doesn't shrug it off as "well, I did my job." And in many of those earlier failures, he could have - 21 points in 14 games in 2008/09, 10 in 7 games, 10 in 9 games in other years. He's had a couple of down years, but only 1 where he was anywhere close to the J0e-fer. I'm still not sure I would want to pay $10M for him, though, as much fun as he is. I've had the same experience seeing him live as Henry. Saw him at MSG once where he came out like a house on fire, scored the first goal of the game 5 minutes in, assisted on the second before the end of the first period (drove the net, created havoc, someone knocked in the loose puck). Then he went to sleep and I don't remember a single shift after that. He is less unapologetically one-dimensional than he had been, absolutely, and that one dimension is great to watch. But he needs a great supporting cast, and that's hard to assemble when he's earning that huge nut. They look really good this year. But it's going to be a short window with this group - this year and next - to try to capitalize...yeah, I did. As for Gretzky, Ovechkin would be much closer at 30 if he hadn't lost a year and a half in his prime to lockouts. Give him a conservative 70 over that time and he's approaching 600 now. As it is, he needs another 400 goals to catch Gretzky, meaning he'll need to keep potting 50 a year until he's 39. I don't see it. He might not get 50 this year. He's "on pace" for 46. And as much as he's a tank, big guys decline quickly when they do. That said, I think he takes a run at Howe. He'll need less than 300 by the end of this year, so if he sticks around North America until he's 40, I can see him averaging at least 25 a year and getting to 802. Say, 50, 50, 45, 40, 35, 30, 20, 20 10. Just to be clear, I'm not comparing the two as players, but the perception people will have of the two should Ovechkin fail to win. Kind of a jab at the people who subscribe to the "yeah, but he never won anything" Dan Marino club. I don't agree with it, can't pick your teammates, but I suspect should the Caps fail to get out of the East this year you'll start to hear the whispers. That team is built to go deep and I think expectations are higher this year than any other year for the Caps.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 8, 2016 17:54:33 GMT
Ovi catch Howe? I don't thinks so myself, like Book says, his style of play is going to catch up to him at some point. One record of Howe's i can see being broken, is playing professional hockey in 7 decades, Jagr should end up playing in 8.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 17:54:48 GMT
Yeah I know, it's always someone else's fault. I say this to my 3 teenagers all the time. They get it. I'm guilty of playing along and doing so in a light hearted way. Ovi cracking 500 is worthy of chat on the open thread. Stop being a vagina. I agree Shupe. Hang really needs some Vagisil. Nothing wrong with this thread. I love this Ovie & I think he hits the 700 goal club easily. 802 is reachable, but too many things need to happen almost perfectly.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 8, 2016 17:55:05 GMT
"which is likely a bait job" Hmmm let me think who is really good at that on this board ?... PS. "JT Sissypants" that is another beauty! OatesCam?
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 8, 2016 17:55:52 GMT
I'm guilty of playing along and doing so in a light hearted way. Ovi cracking 500 is worthy of chat on the open thread. Stop being a vagina. I agree Shupe. Hang really needs some Vagisil. Nothing wrong with this thread. I love this Ovie & I think he hits the 700 goal club easily. 802 is reachable, but too many things need to happen almost perfectly. Vagisil is really good at preventing frostbite!
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Post by Fletcher on Jan 8, 2016 17:59:27 GMT
A few years ago, some of those people would have been right, and while the Caps never 'blew it up' they certainly have had some significant roster turnover in weeding out the Alex Semins' and Mike Greens', and pairing the amended roster with the right coach. I do think they showed patience with a bunch of young players that are really paying dividends now. I think the young home-grown defensmen are excellent -- Orlov, Alzner, and Carlson (better than the expensive signings). I also think they have some pretty bad contracts and they better strike fast because it's gong to catch up with them on that roster. Orpik's is awful. Cap hell is coming... That's the thing though. They just cleared out guys like fehr, ward, green brouwer. They replaced with young guys. Its how its supposed to happen plus they've been drafting well. I don't see how they would have been right. Semin was already gone. They had lots of young prospects they were waiting on. They are stocked full. And when the time comes they will keep who they feel are vital. LA Chicago keep making the cap look easy. I don't really disagree, except that, the Caps were indeed a mess 4/5 years ago. Semin and Green were kind of symbolic of their team in many ways. That got rid of those players, dumped the coach(es), and changed to a whole new philosophy and style of play. If the roster wasn't blown up, the culture certainly was. They didn't just double down on the same old things and stay the course, they made some wholesale changes. Ovechkin has openly discussed this rather dramatic shift in the past couple of years. But I will obviously concede that they kept most of the core players, built from within, and made it work. And teams like Chicago and LA have survived salary cap troubles by avoiding contracts like the one given to Brooks Orpik. A $5.5 million cap hit for 4 more seasons, for a guy who's already falling out of the top-4 and will be on the wrong side of 35 next year. Orlov, Wilson, and Johannson will be seeking significant raises in 6 months, then Kuznetsov, Oshie, Alzner, Burakowsky, Schmidt, and a hand full of others next year. It won't be easy when you've committed $10 million to one guy already. But I share your praise for the way they've done it. It's admirable, and they have a great team. I just think they need to win quickly with this roster, because changes will be forced on them soon.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 8, 2016 18:21:47 GMT
Well, you can see above that I agree on the need to win in a small window, Fletch. But it's not as dire as it seems. Guys like Carlson, Oshie, Justin Williams, Kuznetsov etc. are all signed for reasonable money - between 3 and 4.5 - next year, too. A lot of their secondary guys are mid-level vets with size and a bit of touch. The first real pressures are the value they put on Johanssen at the end of this year, but that won't kill them, and Orlov, who will surely look at what they pay Orpik and ask where he signs. That will be harder. But the breaking point is likely in two years when Ovechkin is still making $10M at 33, $24M will go to Backstrom, Niskanen, Orpik and Holtby, and at the same time as Kuznetsov will be looking for his first real payday on his third deal, Williams, Laich and Oshie will be up.
Point being that Ovechkin's $10M hasn't been an albatross for them in building the team they have now, but the team they have now is partly a function of some good deals on high-end middle roster players and a couple of young guys playing way above their pay grade.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jan 8, 2016 18:26:21 GMT
Yeah I know, it's always someone else's fault. I say this to my 3 teenagers all the time. They get it. Stop being a vagina. He's Lucic's Vagina! "which is likely a bait job" Hmmm let me think who is really good at that on this board ?... PS. "JT Sissypants" that is another beauty! OatesCam? #shitzipper
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 18:33:34 GMT
He's Lucic's Vagina! #shitzipper Light hearted fun. Wheeeeeeeee
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Post by islamorada on Jan 8, 2016 18:34:32 GMT
"which is likely a bait job" Hmmm let me think who is really good at that on this board ?... PS. "JT Sissypants" that is another beauty! OatesCam? Try SteveGM?
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jan 8, 2016 18:43:03 GMT
Light hearted fun. Wheeeeeeeee Nothing wrong with praising Ovi, he deserves it.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 9, 2016 21:11:41 GMT
For about the last day or so, I've been thinking "geez, I have to find a way to watch the Caps/Rags game this aft." because Ovechkin often does really well on Lundqvist - turns out, more goals against the King than any other goalie - and it wouldn't be at all surprising if he rips 3 to hit 500 in style with the trick.
He got 2. He got the first at the end of the first period. I thought - perfect, one per period - but no. Second one was the OT winner. So close.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 9, 2016 21:14:48 GMT
The OT gl was classic Ovi, nice .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 2:34:04 GMT
500-501 ho-hum. #suckitcorsi
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Post by NAS on Jan 13, 2016 3:14:03 GMT
One of my all time favorites!
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 13, 2017 20:45:16 GMT
7 more seasons of 50 goals will get him to Gretz! 546 and counting, but not gaining any ground on that mark. I have to think the first time he has a 32 or a 38 again, the odds go way down on catching the Great One. Howe? 5 more seasons at 51/year puts Ovechkin at 37.
The other stopper in here? If he goes home to Moscow after Korea.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jan 13, 2017 22:27:23 GMT
Segzy or Kess could catch Gretz, but those are the only players that I can think of off the top of my head. Like if you combine their goal totals?
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Post by mdsizzle on Jan 13, 2017 22:31:52 GMT
Light hearted fun. Wheeeeeeeee Nothing wrong with praising Ovi, he deserves it. Very true, not to mention he scored the craziest goal of all time.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Dec 12, 2018 23:18:32 GMT
www.espn.com/blog/sportscenter/post/_/id/28881/buccigross-does-ovechkin-have-a-chance-to-break-gretzky%E2%80%99s-recordBucigross article from 2010. Not quite looking as bad as it at the time of the article... “Some of Ovechkin’s projected years might have unexplained lower goal totals in an attempt to gauge for some kind of injury, slump, or illness and, thus, lost games like we saw this year. Players who play like Ovechkin are not ironmen. I will put his age and a projected goal total and see what we end up with. I don’t really have a final total number in my mind. I’m just going to take it one year at a time starting with next season at age 25.’ Age – Goal Total 25 - 71 (He’s got to have one monster year) 26 - 66 27- 60 28- 51 29- 55 30- 48 (Wayne Gretzky’s last 40 goal season-41 goals- was at age 30) 31- 52 32- 45 33- 55 34- 40 (Steve Yzerman’s had his last 30 goal year at age 34- 35 goals) 35- 37 36- 32 37- 40 (Phil Esposito and Brendan Shanahan both had 40-goal seasons at age 37) 38- 32 (Brett Hull had 37 goals at age 38) 39- 28 40- 27 Ovechkin is on pace for 68 goals and 107 points. At 632 goals now at age 33. Hey anything is possible. Yeah or nay ?
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