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Post by kelvana33 on May 16, 2015 23:35:33 GMT
RHO, in regards to last years team, I'm not sure they veered from their identity. I don't think they had one. Way too inconsistent for me to label them one way or the other.
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Post by bookboy007 on May 17, 2015 1:59:04 GMT
I think the additional element that makes me wonder about trying to out-physical people is that the style of the final four seems designed to beat teams that out-physical you, or beat you with size and relentlessness and goaltending. Yeah, the Rangers can play a physical game, as can the others to a degree, but their hallmark is to move the puck, not to take the body. So going fast and quick is likely behind the trend, and being more physical is what the trend is attempting to beat. You need to find a way to beat pushing the pace. And as Kel points out, it's not about the number of goals here because they aren't scoring more this year than in years past, and the Bruins and Kings both went over 3.3 goals/game and 80 total goals on the way to Cups. It's just about winning and finding a counter to the way teams have been winning.
I can't see yet what the counter might be....
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on May 17, 2015 3:18:26 GMT
The Bruins make the playoffs next year with the players they have now. The Flyers don't make the playoffs next year without changes. If you really want to trade Rask, I would trade him to Philly for Simmonds, Mason and maybe a draft pick on top. I think Mason could shine in CJ's system. That would go along with some thoughts that you can plug any goalie onto any team with a good defense and that goaltender will succeed. The only time I would ever want Mason in Bruins uniform is on a one year deal as a backup.
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Post by Lord Markwart on May 17, 2015 5:40:46 GMT
Margin of error is so small to determine if the tide is turning. The Rangers currently seem to be the model but they barely got by the Caps. When teams saw the Bruins win the Cup, I am sure they wanted to model them but even that team needed 3 game sevens and some breaks. There is no dominant way or style. The common trend is a hot goalie, winning OT games, getting some bounces as the Rangers did today, and having a few good lines going while the others neutralize the opponent.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 16:12:05 GMT
I think the most important thing is for a team to be able to play varying styles depending on specific game situations. I still think that "defense first" wins in this league but you gotta get some puck luck to boot. No snipah needed.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 16:31:28 GMT
I don't think your wrong Nite. I think it's warranted. He didn't have an elite year. I understand the injuries to the defense, lack of scoring up front, that does a play a role, but an elite goalie makes big saves at big times and hides a few of those holes. He let in too many goals that just took the air out of a game too many times this year for someone who is considered elite. The way I look at it, he started the year in the top 3, finished it in the top 10.
As for trading him, I'd deal anyone for the right deal. That said, when I look at the team on paper and see where improvement can be made, net would be last on the priority list. I think he bounces back, but if Edmonton called and offered Taylor Hall, I would do it, and sing a veteran netminder on the cheap.
I'd be afraid the B's would become the Flyers if they'd trade Rask. GNB. That is a very good call & it's a valid reason to not trade the guy & I honestly wouldn't want the B's to go with just anyone. I don't want a Miller, or Lack, but I would take a Talbot, or Anderson (which neither are available) but if something like that was a possibility & make room for a big RW then I would do it.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 16:42:32 GMT
Nite, you've really done a 180 on this.
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Post by 50belowzero on May 17, 2015 16:51:12 GMT
Nite, you've really done a 180 on this. Yep,you won him over,he's officially off the Rask train.
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Post by MrHulot on May 17, 2015 17:30:38 GMT
If you really want to trade Rask, I would trade him to Philly for Simmonds, Mason and maybe a draft pick on top. I think Mason could shine in CJ's system. That would go along with some thoughts that you can plug any goalie onto any team with a good defense and that goaltender will succeed. The only time I would ever want Mason in Bruins uniform is on a one year deal as a backup. Mason played reasonably well in Philly this year, and they had virtually no d to speak of. Anyway, I doubt the Flyers would agree to that deal.
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Post by stevegm on May 17, 2015 17:35:30 GMT
Margin of error is so small to determine if the tide is turning. The Rangers currently seem to be the model but they barely got by the Caps. When teams saw the Bruins win the Cup, I am sure they wanted to model them but even that team needed 3 game sevens and some breaks. There is no dominant way or style. The common trend is a hot goalie, winning OT games, getting some bounces as the Rangers did today, and having a few good lines going while the others neutralize the opponent. Excellent. Based on the series, it's pretty evident the Caps have virtually nothing to do, as far as keeping up with the Rangers. The victor, in these razor thin margins, isn't necessarily better...they're just the winner. These 2 teams could start another 7 game series today, and the outcomes would be quite different. Adages like "speed' and 'toughness" are convenient, but they kind of cloud things, more than bring clarity. Cup winners are adaptable, and lucky. When teams start breezing through the playoffs, a la the Montreal, Islander, Oiler years, the model becomes more apparent.
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Post by 50belowzero on May 17, 2015 17:43:43 GMT
Margin of error is so small to determine if the tide is turning. The Rangers currently seem to be the model but they barely got by the Caps. When teams saw the Bruins win the Cup, I am sure they wanted to model them but even that team needed 3 game sevens and some breaks. There is no dominant way or style. The common trend is a hot goalie, winning OT games, getting some bounces as the Rangers did today, and having a few good lines going while the others neutralize the opponent. Excellent. Based on the series, it's pretty evident the Caps have virtually nothing to do, as far as keeping up with the Rangers. The victor, in these razor thin margins, isn't necessarily better...they're just the winner. These 2 teams could start another 7 game series today, and the outcomes would be quite different. Adages like "speed' and 'toughness" are convenient, but they kind of cloud things, more than bring clarity. Cup winners are adaptable, and lucky. When teams start breezing through the playoffs, a la the Montreal, Islander, Oiler years, the model becomes more apparent.
And with the Cap, the draft and free agency,the "breezing through the playoffs" days are over.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 18:58:12 GMT
50. I'm not even off the Rask train. I'm off the goalie train. It's too unpredictable for my liking. For as good as people think the king is, the team blocks more attempts then the king does. The goalies are huge. Bishop spends half the game flopping, the other half on his knees. Give me a chara, a weber, a Keith, a Suter and McDonough over a Rask, rinse, Crawsome, dubby or king any day of the week.
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Post by sobchack on May 17, 2015 20:10:02 GMT
Excellent. Based on the series, it's pretty evident the Caps have virtually nothing to do, as far as keeping up with the Rangers. The victor, in these razor thin margins, isn't necessarily better...they're just the winner. These 2 teams could start another 7 game series today, and the outcomes would be quite different. Adages like "speed' and 'toughness" are convenient, but they kind of cloud things, more than bring clarity. Cup winners are adaptable, and lucky. When teams start breezing through the playoffs, a la the Montreal, Islander, Oiler years, the model becomes more apparent.
And with the Cap, the draft and free agency,the "breezing through the playoffs" days are over. Yup. That's just it. Parity for the vast majority of teams in any given season. Which means 25 teams or so have a shot of making the playoffs on any given season. What happens then comes down to flipping coins. Even the Wild, who were, swept by the Hawks, could have just as easily made it a 7 game series with a bounce here or there.
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Post by 50belowzero on May 17, 2015 20:31:46 GMT
50. I'm not even off the Rask train. I'm off the goalie train. It's too unpredictable for my liking. For as good as people think the king is, the team blocks more attempts then the king does. The goalies are huge. Bishop spends half the game flopping, the other half on his knees. Give me a chara, a weber, a Keith, a Suter and McDonough over a Rask, rinse, Crawsome, dubby or king any day of the week. I agree 100% with you there Shupe.Show me a great defence,with a true stud D-man and i'll show you a great goalie. Any goalie that wins a Vezina,more often than not has a great defence in front of him,Rask,TT,Lundqvist,Brodeur, all had pretty good d-men in front of them,you could go down the list. The B's need to get their D back in shape,who knows if we've entered the Chara "getting injured every year" zone,but it sure seems like it,i don't like that thought.
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Post by RichHillOntario on May 18, 2015 0:13:57 GMT
RHO, in regards to last years team, I'm not sure they veered from their identity. I don't think they had one. Way too inconsistent for me to label them one way or the other. You're right, kel. They didn't. It seemed right from the start of the year, the prolonged absence of key players notwithstanding, they seemed to spend most of the year performing as though they were perpetually trying to get to know each other. I was referring to Neely's comment in regards to the manner in which he thought they should've played but didn't. They didn't have the players to do it.
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Post by stevegm on May 18, 2015 0:34:58 GMT
And with the Cap, the draft and free agency,the "breezing through the playoffs" days are over. Yup. That's just it. Parity for the vast majority of teams in any given season. Which means 25 teams or so have a shot of making the playoffs on any given season. What happens then comes down to flipping coins. Even the Wild, who were, swept by the Hawks, could have just as easily made it a 7 game series with a bounce here or there. And some pretty clever hockey minds figured the Wild had as good a chance coming out of the west as anyone.
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Post by 50belowzero on May 18, 2015 4:24:24 GMT
Yup. That's just it. Parity for the vast majority of teams in any given season. Which means 25 teams or so have a shot of making the playoffs on any given season. What happens then comes down to flipping coins. Even the Wild, who were, swept by the Hawks, could have just as easily made it a 7 game series with a bounce here or there. And some pretty clever hockey minds figured the Wild had as good a chance coming out of the west as anyone. I'm not too clever,but i for won was shocked that the Wild got swept. I thought the Wild would win or at least make a series out of it.
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