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Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 21, 2023 17:32:19 GMT
Like all the next Crosbys and Lemieux. Zero guarantee. Well actually they had 0% chance to be the next Connor. Bedard is a 100% lock though. 100% going to be a point producer absolutely. But your going to have 2 Connor McJesus on your team ? Not a lock.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 21, 2023 17:38:45 GMT
Wow, never? Well, my morning is ruined. Honestly though, the "not care" schtick is pretty lame. None of us lose any sleep over losing in a computer hockey simulation, but the constant defense of "I suck because it means nothing to me" makes you sound like a stupid kid calling the academic all-star and future CEO a nerd. Or the dude with no coordination calling the hockey team captain a "try hard" or "meat head". It's OK to admit you like Sandy to the boys after summer break. So now I'm not putting enough effort into my comebacks when people criticise how I manage my team? Someone is certainly losing his noodles over it - let's keep it anonymous and call him "Sticky Pussy." I'm not interested in engaging with that in any way other than by not giving a shit. That is different than a generic "not care" schtick. I wouldn't have agreed to join if I didn't think it could be fun. I wouldn't have said sure, let's see what happens if we switch teams if I didn't think it would be interesting, and knowing that if he finishes ahead of me after that, I would take a beating. I don't like the fact that my teams haven't done well, and I'm game to stick around and continue to get burned for bad decisions if I do poorly. But I'm bored with people lecturing me on how I should participate. So hey - take a vote. Sticky Pussy wants Devon Levi so bad - vote me out and distribute the players in the draft or find someone else to take over his old team. Or give it back to him.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 21, 2023 17:53:35 GMT
In all seriousness, what's your expectation for Bedard this year? I think Chicago is going to be awful, and I'm not sure they're going to just throw him into the meat grinder. 45 points and a -20? Might be a while before this one pays off. Sandog will lap ip a year or two of big Draisaitl and Oettinger returns. I will say, though...I don't mind the play to move off of Leon given his injury issues the last couple of years, and the possibility of a trade that breaks up the dynamic duo. My expectations are low. Higher than your's, I'd say 70+ points and closer to even, but I am fully aware I just gave up the second best player in the league for a project. The part that really hurts is also losing one of the best goalers and the second round pick. It will make it hard to win another championship this year. But honestly, that was part of my motivation. I was kinda bored with just riding the "big-3", and everyone bitching about it. I could have come back again this year, used the same strategy and had the top-3 scorers again and had a good shot at the title. Including Jake in goal, my leaders were set for a while. That just seemed boring. So with a super high-end prospect on the table, I figured it would be a good time to nab that for the future and have some fun trying to build a championship without one of the big guns. If I fail, hopefully Connor 2.0 will help me down the line. My lowball estimate is based on two things: his production...normalized?...at the WJHC against better competition, and he's 5'10 and 178. I know neither of those things is a death sentence, but they're a bit of a cooler for me. Bedard was 9-14-23 in the tourney, but 0-fer and even in the final in 23+ minutes of TOI. He was 1-1 against the US, but they contained him pretty well after that goal. And yeah, Johnny Cabbages is 5'1" and 78 lbs or whatever and it doesn't slow him down. But he was 22 when he made the jump full time, and still had seasons of 64 and 61 points in his first three years. So 45 may be a little low, but that's how I get there. Sort of the Jack Hughes start and likely the Jack Hughes rapid growth with a sweetener because he's better than Hughes was.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 21, 2023 18:46:16 GMT
I fully expect him to be the next Connor! Like all the next Crosbys and Lemieux. Zero guarantee. You didn't get it.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 21, 2023 18:54:46 GMT
Nobody is voting anybody out of the league.
Book is here, he's... Something... get used to it!
The golden cock has spoken.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 21, 2023 19:37:53 GMT
Like all the next Crosbys and Lemieux. Zero guarantee. Well actually they had 0% chance to be the next Connor. Bedard is a 100% lock though. well, he is the next coming of great player on bad team...unfortunately that's not going to help him in this league.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 21, 2023 19:56:23 GMT
Well actually they had 0% chance to be the next Connor. Bedard is a 100% lock though. 100% going to be a point producer absolutely. But your going to have 2 Connor McJesus on your team ? Not a lock. I'm cautious about my expectations for him, but even I think he's a lock to be the next Connor Garland.
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Post by The OC on Jul 21, 2023 20:12:32 GMT
Nobody is voting anybody out of the league. Book is here, he's... Something... get used to it! The golden cock has spoken. I respect the golden cock, always. And Bookboy adds a lot to the league. I just want him to be more bookboy and less sookboy.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 21, 2023 20:15:38 GMT
Bookboy has always been my favorite team in this league...he gave me Rantanen and I usually beat him one on one...win-win for me.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 21, 2023 21:18:14 GMT
Well actually they had 0% chance to be the next Connor. Bedard is a 100% lock though. well, he is the next coming of great player on bad team...unfortunately that's not going to help him in this league. No doubt Bedard will be good. But generational ? I'm in a "wait n see" mode on that.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 21, 2023 22:07:50 GMT
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Post by dannycater on Jul 21, 2023 22:51:42 GMT
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 22, 2023 3:52:04 GMT
Man, OC is gonna be pissed that he traded Draisaitl for tanner Jeannot.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jul 22, 2023 3:59:11 GMT
While you cats are arguing and offering 4 players you won’t keep for one really good player i was checking the waiver wire.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 22, 2023 10:50:26 GMT
Maybe John Zeigler will award OC Scott Stevens in arbitration.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 23, 2023 17:11:32 GMT
While you cats are arguing and offering 4 players you won’t keep for one really good player i was checking the waiver wire. Um, ya, I guess I need to float a reminder you can't just Kelv players before the draft. Congrats Kelv, much like Marty, we named a rule after you.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 24, 2023 0:26:10 GMT
All I can say is at least I offer good players for medium to late draft picks...But the offers my direction are complete fucking trash....Vag at least offered a decent player.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 24, 2023 16:47:57 GMT
All I can say is at least I offer good players for medium to late draft picks...But the offers my direction are complete fucking trash....Vag at least offered a decent player. You can send counter proposals Danny Panic. It took like 50 proposals back n forth before deals got done last week. As the Vag said, get creative and he was right.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 24, 2023 16:49:30 GMT
All I can say is at least I offer good players for medium to late draft picks...But the offers my direction are complete fucking trash....Vag at least offered a decent player. You can send counter proposals Danny Panic. It took like 50 proposals back n forth before deals got done last week. As the Vag said, get creative and he was right. well, I have tried to acquire a draft pick and every time I offer a player that I would keep from another roster for sure based on what they had, it's been turned down. How do you counter that?
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 24, 2023 17:18:04 GMT
You can send counter proposals Danny Panic. It took like 50 proposals back n forth before deals got done last week. As the Vag said, get creative and he was right. well, I have tried to acquire a draft pick and every time I offer a player that I would keep from another roster for sure based on what they had, it's been turned down. How do you counter that? Ask why it was turned down? Vag offered me a pile of my old keepers and all he wanted was my first round pick and Devon Levi. Despite the fact that everyone on here knows how I felt about my old keepers. Sometimes the team you're trying to trade with has a strategy for their keepers, and it's not the strategy you would use. Maybe it's a positional thing - he's got one legit keeper at RW and three already at C and you're offering him another C for that RW. Sometimes the player you're targeting is someone they think is going to break out. So yeah. Ask them.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 24, 2023 17:19:57 GMT
You can send counter proposals Danny Panic. It took like 50 proposals back n forth before deals got done last week. As the Vag said, get creative and he was right. well, I have tried to acquire a draft pick and every time I offer a player that I would keep from another roster for sure based on what they had, it's been turned down. How do you counter that? Some are looking for draft picks as well.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jul 24, 2023 17:54:28 GMT
While you cats are arguing and offering 4 players you won’t keep for one really good player i was checking the waiver wire. Um, ya, I guess I need to float a reminder you can't just Kelv players before the draft. Congrats Kelv, much like Marty, we named a rule after you. Consider me honored. Can't you add the 16 dollars I spent on him back to me?
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Post by dannycater on Jul 24, 2023 18:22:15 GMT
well, I have tried to acquire a draft pick and every time I offer a player that I would keep from another roster for sure based on what they had, it's been turned down. How do you counter that? Ask why it was turned down? Vag offered me a pile of my old keepers and all he wanted was my first round pick and Devon Levi. Despite the fact that everyone on here knows how I felt about my old keepers. Sometimes the team you're trying to trade with has a strategy for their keepers, and it's not the strategy you would use. Maybe it's a positional thing - he's got one legit keeper at RW and three already at C and you're offering him another C for that RW. Sometimes the player you're targeting is someone they think is going to break out. So yeah. Ask them. Maybe that's why half the league can't cut it as league title contenders. Shitty strategy.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 24, 2023 18:23:33 GMT
I have more than 9 guys worth keeping as keepers...I would keep 12 if I could..that means if someone was smart they would give me middle to late draft pick for a player that likely will be better than that pick. But that requires being intelligent. Maybe they will hope that a guy would be available later. All good, no big deal.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 24, 2023 18:46:40 GMT
You can send counter proposals Danny Panic. It took like 50 proposals back n forth before deals got done last week. As the Vag said, get creative and he was right. well, I have tried to acquire a draft pick and every time I offer a player that I would keep from another roster for sure based on what they had, it's been turned down. How do you counter that? If only you had Tage... I'd offer you a bunch for him.
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