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Post by HoneyVag on Jul 24, 2024 22:11:09 GMT
Don't like the extra team idea nor an expansion draft. Just because? I set this up so the boys here could have some fun with it... I don't want to turn any regulars here away. If we just can't for some reason, it is what it is. But if we won't... I don't think that's cool. You said you considered expansion so "the boys could have some fun with it". Cool so lets have fun with it. I've got the number one overall pick and I decide to trade it because my 8th and 9th guys blow. So I address the problem by trading for 2 pretty good young players both who considerably better than what I had. Problem solved which seemed "fun" at the time. The sudden plan for expansion puts those 2 new guys and my "fun" down the shitter. So no, it's not fun when you suddenly want to change the league without notice. Clearly others agree that there should be some advanced notice.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 24, 2024 22:11:18 GMT
Spot on Danny, thanks Gotta love the people who want to refuse a long time poster here into the league for unbelievably stupid selfish reasons. 3 douche bags and counting... Wtf is going on here? Come on Sizz, that's pretty lousy. Calling people stupid and selfish for disagreeing with you. Maybe they can include you in the next Trump-Harris debate, you'd fit right in. Look, I started this league for anyone here to partake and have a little fun... Shutting out those who want in is not within the spirit of this whole thing. If we can't.. Because we can't make an even number of teams, that's one thing. But if we WON'T because some teams don't want to lose players, that's a flat out dick move... And that's not an opinion, it's a fact. Btw, if you want to get under my skin, political stuff will go right over my head.. Im the least political person on the planet. I know Trump is orange and likes pussy... That's about it.
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Post by The OC on Jul 24, 2024 22:19:53 GMT
Come on Sizz, that's pretty lousy. Calling people stupid and selfish for disagreeing with you. Maybe they can include you in the next Trump-Harris debate, you'd fit right in. Look, I started this league for anyone here to partake and have a little fun... Shutting out those who want in is not within the spirit of this whole thing. If we can't.. Because we can't make an even number of teams, that's one thing. But if we WON'T because some teams don't want to lose players, that's a flat out dick move... And that's not an opinion, it's a fact. Btw, if you want to get under my skin, political stuff will go right over my head.. Im the least political person on the planet. I know Trump is orange and likes pussy... That's about it. I’m not trying to get under your skin, I was saying you’re acting like a current politician (of either side) by saying those that disagree with you are selfish. People can disagree without being bad people. I didn’t think the people that disagreed with expanding last time were bad. They had valid concerns that a 12 team league wouldn’t work well. You want as many people included as possible and so do I, but is it better to have 10 people in a league that works well or 12 in a league that’s shit? Valid discussion point.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 24, 2024 22:24:37 GMT
Ya, you are about as welcoming as ball cancer. The real message is from you is no, I voted no on expansion because I don't want to lose any of my players because im a selfish prick. Just admit this is 100% true and go back to kicking puppies. Stop calling people names. I voted no because I think it's a premature poll. Only 5 people have voted (presumably the ones chatting here) meaning half the league hasn't engaged in the discussion yet. Maybe someone wants to drop out making this discussion pointless. I'd love to have Brew in the league. We should leave all further discussion until we know if everyone wants to come back. If we find out everyone wants back, then it's still pointless unless there is another person wanting to join. At that point we could discuss expansion, but again I'd want to know the rules and timeline before voting yes. A good idea might be to have a BNFHL waiting list. If we get 2 or 3 names on it, then we discuss an expansion plan. The list also has people ready to take over when someone quits. We've had 3 or 4 quitters since the league started. We should also have a genuine discussion about what expansion will mean for the League. The last time the topic came up I thought it would be great to have more people from the forum involved and trash-talking through the year. I still think that, but I have second thoughts because I think it may handicap the ability of a team to make upward progress. Two more teams will make it harder to find players on waivers that can improve your roster. It will make trades more important, but that's harder for the bottom feeders. Right now a rebuilding team can take a whole bunch of gambles throughout the year to find a gem, the kind of gambles a contending team is usually scared to do. With then top 46 players out of the waiver availability, it will be really hard to find anyone good. Do we want this? It's an honest question. It doesn't hurt me because Team Butterface is ridiculously talented but it will hurt the other players, and I don't know if that's the best for the league overall. I can't call my buddy names after he insults me but you can make snarky political remarks? Practice what you preach. Here's part of the real problem... I've been letting you all essentially make the decisions via a poll.. I can make a recommendation like I did here, but essentially I do not have a say in the matter. Most of you all are telling me I should be doing something different and are not happy with my efforts.... The vag says I'm completely useless and want me to get two teams signed up 1st then see if we want to expand. You want me to wait to see if the guys who have been here for many many years will be here again... I've put a message out... And based on the past several year of participation, I do not believe anyone is not coming back... But they have eyes and an invitation.. I can't force people to participate here. I'm being pushed and pulled in different directions and despite my efforts, I'm not going to be able to please everyone.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 24, 2024 22:27:50 GMT
Stop calling people names. I voted no because I think it's a premature poll. Only 5 people have voted (presumably the ones chatting here) meaning half the league hasn't engaged in the discussion yet. Maybe someone wants to drop out making this discussion pointless. I'd love to have Brew in the league. We should leave all further discussion until we know if everyone wants to come back. If we find out everyone wants back, then it's still pointless unless there is another person wanting to join. At that point we could discuss expansion, but again I'd want to know the rules and timeline before voting yes. A good idea might be to have a BNFHL waiting list. If we get 2 or 3 names on it, then we discuss an expansion plan. The list also has people ready to take over when someone quits. We've had 3 or 4 quitters since the league started. We should also have a genuine discussion about what expansion will mean for the League. The last time the topic came up I thought it would be great to have more people from the forum involved and trash-talking through the year. I still think that, but I have second thoughts because I think it may handicap the ability of a team to make upward progress. Two more teams will make it harder to find players on waivers that can improve your roster. It will make trades more important, but that's harder for the bottom feeders. Right now a rebuilding team can take a whole bunch of gambles throughout the year to find a gem, the kind of gambles a contending team is usually scared to do. With then top 46 players out of the waiver availability, it will be really hard to find anyone good. Do we want this? It's an honest question. It doesn't hurt me because Team Butterface is ridiculously talented but it will hurt the other players, and I don't know if that's the best for the league overall. I can't call my buddy names after he insults me but you can make snarky political remarks? Practice what you preach. Here's part of the real problem... I've been letting you all essentially make the decisions via a poll.. I can make a recommendation like I did here, but essentially I do not have a say in the matter. Most of you all are telling me I should be doing something different and are not happy with my efforts.... The vag says I'm completely useless and want me to get two teams signed up 1st then see if we want to expand. You want me to wait to see if the guys who have been here for many many years will be here again... I've put a message out... And based on the past several year of participation, I do not believe anyone is not coming back... But they have eyes and an invitation.. I can't force people to participate here. I'm being pushed and pulled in different directions and despite my efforts, I'm not going to be able to please everyone. If you think you can do a better job, I'll be more than happy to hand this to you... Not being a prick here, it's a serious offer. Im getting tired of trying to please everyone and just getting shit for it.
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Post by HoneyVag on Jul 24, 2024 22:30:25 GMT
Come on Sizz, that's pretty lousy. Calling people stupid and selfish for disagreeing with you. Maybe they can include you in the next Trump-Harris debate, you'd fit right in. Look, I started this league for anyone here to partake and have a little fun... Shutting out those who want in is not within the spirit of this whole thing. If we can't.. Because we can't make an even number of teams, that's one thing. But if we WON'T because some teams don't want to lose players, that's a flat out dick move... And that's not an opinion, it's a fact. Btw, if you want to get under my skin, political stuff will go right over my head.. Im the least political person on the planet. I know Trump is orange and likes pussy... That's about it. FACT is I would have held onto my 1st overall pick if I had known that expansion was in play. Your league, your rules, your shitty polls. I get it, I'll quit bitching on this subject. However the league votes or whatever decisions are made, I'll just need to adjust and try to find "fun" in it all and try to prepare for sudden league changes going forward.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 24, 2024 22:34:59 GMT
Look, I started this league for anyone here to partake and have a little fun... Shutting out those who want in is not within the spirit of this whole thing. If we can't.. Because we can't make an even number of teams, that's one thing. But if we WON'T because some teams don't want to lose players, that's a flat out dick move... And that's not an opinion, it's a fact. Btw, if you want to get under my skin, political stuff will go right over my head.. Im the least political person on the planet. I know Trump is orange and likes pussy... That's about it. I’m not trying to get under your skin, I was saying you’re acting like a current politician (of either side) by saying those that disagree with you are selfish. People can disagree without being bad people. I didn’t think the people that disagreed with expanding last time were bad. They had valid concerns that a 12 team league wouldn’t work well. You want as many people included as possible and so do I, but is it better to have 10 people in a league that works well or 12 in a league that’s shit? Valid discussion point. It's not that if you dissagree with me, it's if you dissagree with not letting others join... Again, this was supposed to be more about us all having fun and less about the symantics and structure of the league. It doesn't matter if there 10 or 12 teams to me... We'll all basically be in the same boat and I'm just trying to make it all fair. We are not playing for money here... It's supposed to be fun for anyone here who wants it. Excluding people because you will lose 2 players is not what I had in mind here... And it seems like a selfish move. Feel free to convince me turning away brewwins is the best move. Your salary isn't on the line here FFS.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 24, 2024 22:38:47 GMT
Look, I started this league for anyone here to partake and have a little fun... Shutting out those who want in is not within the spirit of this whole thing. If we can't.. Because we can't make an even number of teams, that's one thing. But if we WON'T because some teams don't want to lose players, that's a flat out dick move... And that's not an opinion, it's a fact. Btw, if you want to get under my skin, political stuff will go right over my head.. Im the least political person on the planet. I know Trump is orange and likes pussy... That's about it. FACT is I would have held onto my 1st overall pick if I had known that expansion was in play. Your league, your rules, your shitty polls. I get it, I'll quit bitching on this subject. However the league votes or whatever decisions are made, I'll just need to adjust and try to find "fun" in it all and try to prepare for sudden league changes going forward. Dude, really? You do realize my shitty polls gives you a say in this. Should I just do what I want and if you don't like it you can fuck off? That's the other option... That works for me.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 24, 2024 22:47:31 GMT
The Vag say I'm doing things to slow. OC saying going too fast. San want me to tell brewwins to pound sand because he's only been here for 6 years.
There's too many chefs in the kitchen here... And I think the problem is I'm trying to be too accommodating for everyone.
Maybe the vag is right... The polls are shitty. If I'm going to take shit for having them, what's the point?
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Post by The OC on Jul 24, 2024 22:58:21 GMT
I’m not trying to get under your skin, I was saying you’re acting like a current politician (of either side) by saying those that disagree with you are selfish. People can disagree without being bad people. I didn’t think the people that disagreed with expanding last time were bad. They had valid concerns that a 12 team league wouldn’t work well. You want as many people included as possible and so do I, but is it better to have 10 people in a league that works well or 12 in a league that’s shit? Valid discussion point. It's not that if you dissagree with me, it's if you dissagree with not letting others join... Again, this was supposed to be more about us all having fun and less about the symantics and structure of the league. It doesn't matter if there 10 or 12 teams to me... We'll all basically be in the same boat and I'm just trying to make it all fair. We are not playing for money here... It's supposed to be fun for anyone here who wants it. Excluding people because you will lose 2 players is not what I had in mind here... And it seems like a selfish move. Feel free to convince me turning away brewwins is the best move. Your salary isn't on the line here FFS. Yeah, it is pretty much if they disagree with you. You feel your position is flawless and those that disagree are evil. -The idea that adding 2 more teams will turn a fun team for 10 into a stagnant heap of trash for 12 is not selfish. It's about wanting the best for the greater good. -The view that you spent the last year building your team a certain way only to have it screwed over just before the next season isn't selfish, it's taking pride in what you did, defending your work and wanting a fair system. I'd be pissed if I were Vag and dealt first overall for two players I'll lose in the draft. He'd be totally getting screwed over. And I'll be pissed if I no longer get the first overall pick after trading two good players for it. These are valid concerns. Yes the league is "just for fun", but the fun is in trying to be creative and win. If you don't try you might as well just leave. The league wiping out your efforts is deflating and would make me lose interest quickly.
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Post by The OC on Jul 24, 2024 23:00:22 GMT
The Vag say I'm doing things to slow. OC saying going too fast. San want me to tell brewwins to pound sand because he's only been here for 6 years. There's too many chefs in the kitchen here... And I think the problem is I'm trying to be too accommodating for everyone. Maybe the vag is right... The polls are shitty. If I'm going to take shit for having them, what's the point? You're not taking shit for having them, you're taking shit for not listening to them. You put a poll up, the poll says no expansion and then you bash those that voted no. If you just accepted the results and moved on, you wouldn't take any heat.
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Post by The OC on Jul 24, 2024 23:02:50 GMT
I can't call my buddy names after he insults me but you can make snarky political remarks? Practice what you preach. Here's part of the real problem... I've been letting you all essentially make the decisions via a poll.. I can make a recommendation like I did here, but essentially I do not have a say in the matter. Most of you all are telling me I should be doing something different and are not happy with my efforts.... The vag says I'm completely useless and want me to get two teams signed up 1st then see if we want to expand. You want me to wait to see if the guys who have been here for many many years will be here again... I've put a message out... And based on the past several year of participation, I do not believe anyone is not coming back... But they have eyes and an invitation.. I can't force people to participate here. I'm being pushed and pulled in different directions and despite my efforts, I'm not going to be able to please everyone. If you think you can do a better job, I'll be more than happy to hand this to you... Not being a prick here, it's a serious offer. Im getting tired of trying to please everyone and just getting shit for it. You do a great job and I would only take over if you genuinely didn't want to do it anymore because I would want it to keep going if you couldn't do it. But seriously, no one is shitting on you. They are unhappy because you asked a question then shit on their opinions.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 24, 2024 23:43:08 GMT
It's not that if you dissagree with me, it's if you dissagree with not letting others join... Again, this was supposed to be more about us all having fun and less about the symantics and structure of the league. It doesn't matter if there 10 or 12 teams to me... We'll all basically be in the same boat and I'm just trying to make it all fair. We are not playing for money here... It's supposed to be fun for anyone here who wants it. Excluding people because you will lose 2 players is not what I had in mind here... And it seems like a selfish move. Feel free to convince me turning away brewwins is the best move. Your salary isn't on the line here FFS. Yeah, it is pretty much if they disagree with you. You feel your position is flawless and those that disagree are evil. -The idea that adding 2 more teams will turn a fun team for 10 into a stagnant heap of trash for 12 is not selfish. It's about wanting the best for the greater good. -The view that you spent the last year building your team a certain way only to have it screwed over just before the next season isn't selfish, it's taking pride in what you did, defending your work and wanting a fair system. I'd be pissed if I were Vag and dealt first overall for two players I'll lose in the draft. He'd be totally getting screwed over. And I'll be pissed if I no longer get the first overall pick after trading two good players for it. These are valid concerns. Yes the league is "just for fun", but the fun is in trying to be creative and win. If you don't try you might as well just leave. The league wiping out your efforts is deflating and would make me lose interest quickly. Flawless? Evil? Cmon man.. The poll was supposed to be a funny way to try to Sway the vote because, again, 1st and foremost, this was meant for EVERYONE here. Since when do you ever take me seriously anyhow.. But, to me, Voting no reeks of being a spoiled kid not wanting to share his toys and kicks the other kids out of the sandbox. You can see where I'm coming from, right? I don't want to tell brewwins he can't join because some of the teams don't want you to interfere with their roster. Doesn't that seem... Not in the spirit of a "fun for all the guys here" league? It's great to take this seriously, but you are taking it to th point where you are trying to deprive others.. Hence the selfish remark.. Sorry if it offends you but i know you are a big boy and dish it out as well as you can take it. You say you want him in, but you voted against it. It's great to be competitive, we are all obviously trying to win. This expansion isn't just effecting OC, it's everyone.. And you are correct, it does suck more for the vag because if he knew we would essentially have 7 keepers, he obviously wouldn't have done the trade. So if we do expand, it's good to know that we all know it needs to be reversed. Also, going to 12 teams is not going to "ruin" the league. I've been in an 18 team leagues with higher roster counts and it was a ton of fun. It promotes trades, movements and action.
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Post by The OC on Jul 24, 2024 23:55:17 GMT
Yeah, it is pretty much if they disagree with you. You feel your position is flawless and those that disagree are evil. -The idea that adding 2 more teams will turn a fun team for 10 into a stagnant heap of trash for 12 is not selfish. It's about wanting the best for the greater good. -The view that you spent the last year building your team a certain way only to have it screwed over just before the next season isn't selfish, it's taking pride in what you did, defending your work and wanting a fair system. I'd be pissed if I were Vag and dealt first overall for two players I'll lose in the draft. He'd be totally getting screwed over. And I'll be pissed if I no longer get the first overall pick after trading two good players for it. These are valid concerns. Yes the league is "just for fun", but the fun is in trying to be creative and win. If you don't try you might as well just leave. The league wiping out your efforts is deflating and would make me lose interest quickly. Flawless? Evil? Cmon man.. The poll was supposed to be a funny way to try to Sway the vote because, again, 1st and foremost, this was meant for EVERYONE here. Since when do you ever take me seriously anyhow.. But, to me, Voting no reeks of being a spoiled kid not wanting to share his toys and kicks the other kids out of the sandbox. You can see where I'm coming from, right? I don't want to tell brewwins he can't join because some of the teams don't want you to interfere with their roster. Doesn't that seem... Not in the spirit of a "fun for all the guys here" league? It's great to take this seriously, but you are taking it to th point where you are trying to deprive others.. Hence the selfish remark.. Sorry if it offends you but i know you are a big boy and dish it out as well as you can take it. You say you want him in, but you voted against it. It's great to be competitive, we are all obviously trying to win. This expansion isn't just effecting OC, it's everyone.. And you are correct, it does suck more for the vag because if he knew we would essentially have 7 keepers, he obviously wouldn't have done the trade. So if we do expand, it's good to know that we all know it needs to be reversed. Also, going to 12 teams is not going to "ruin" the league. I've been in an 18 team leagues with higher roster counts and it was a ton of fun. It promotes trades, movements and action. I voted no because that's how I feel at this moment. If the trade's reversed I'll probably just quit, and I don't think it's fair to the vag to lose those players either. Like I said, get everyone to respond first, see if anyone has lost interest and take it from there. Your last line is the most important. Before having a vote, it should be discussed what a bigger league will mean. You're saying you were in an 18 team league and it was fun. That's relevant discussion. We need more of that and less calling people selfish. Have a genuine discussion about is more teams better, and if it is, how can a draft be done in a way that's fair. If that discussion happens and a good plan comes forward, I'd change my vote. Maybe teams at the top of the standings have to expose 2 keepers while teams at the bottom expose none? Just throwing that out there as an example of how to move discussion forward in a positive way.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 24, 2024 23:55:54 GMT
If you think you can do a better job, I'll be more than happy to hand this to you... Not being a prick here, it's a serious offer. Im getting tired of trying to please everyone and just getting shit for it. You do a great job and I would only take over if you genuinely didn't want to do it anymore because I would want it to keep going if you couldn't do it. But seriously, no one is shitting on you. They are unhappy because you asked a question then shit on their opinions. Dude, this is a forum.. And we all know each other pretty well. I'm sorry if I hurt your feeling but I'm not the first, or will be the last, to dissagree or be harsh when I feel strongly about something and you dissagree with. And I'll say it for the umpteenth time... I started this league for US ALL to enjoy. Keeping people out that want to join goes against the very first reason why I took the initiative to set this whole thing up... FOR US. I'm hoping you can see the reason why I'm passionate about this. I wanted us to all have a good time.. Hence the polls to try to keep the majority happy... But I guess we see how that went.. And again, I don't want to tell brewwins he can't join because some team don't want to lose 2 players... It just feels wrong... Do you want to tell him that? Give him your "greater good" speech?
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Post by The OC on Jul 25, 2024 0:05:16 GMT
You do a great job and I would only take over if you genuinely didn't want to do it anymore because I would want it to keep going if you couldn't do it. But seriously, no one is shitting on you. They are unhappy because you asked a question then shit on their opinions. Dude, this is a forum.. And we all know each other pretty well. I'm sorry if I hurt your feeling but I'm not the first, or will be the last, to dissagree or be harsh when I feel strongly about something and you dissagree with. And I'll say it for the umpteenth time... I started this league for US ALL to enjoy. Keeping people out that want to join goes against the very first reason why I took the initiative to set this whole thing up... FOR US. I'm hoping you can see the reason why I'm passionate about this. I wanted us to all have a good time.. Hence the polls to try to keep the majority happy... But I guess we see how that went.. And again, I don't want to tell brewwins he can't join because some team don't want to lose 2 players... It just feels wrong... Do you want to tell him that? Give him your "greater good" speech? You like democracy as long as it does what you say. You can't have a league for ALL to enjoy if you're taking joy away. Sure I'll tell him he has to wait for someone to quit or another to join with him (and that might be next season), I think he'll understand. Anyway, I think we should shelve conversation until we know all are coming back. If all are, then get everyone to give their two cents on an acceptable expansion format. Get as much consensus as possible on that format, then have a vote. Until then I'm a no.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 25, 2024 0:25:46 GMT
Flawless? Evil? Cmon man.. The poll was supposed to be a funny way to try to Sway the vote because, again, 1st and foremost, this was meant for EVERYONE here. Since when do you ever take me seriously anyhow.. But, to me, Voting no reeks of being a spoiled kid not wanting to share his toys and kicks the other kids out of the sandbox. You can see where I'm coming from, right? I don't want to tell brewwins he can't join because some of the teams don't want you to interfere with their roster. Doesn't that seem... Not in the spirit of a "fun for all the guys here" league? It's great to take this seriously, but you are taking it to th point where you are trying to deprive others.. Hence the selfish remark.. Sorry if it offends you but i know you are a big boy and dish it out as well as you can take it. You say you want him in, but you voted against it. It's great to be competitive, we are all obviously trying to win. This expansion isn't just effecting OC, it's everyone.. And you are correct, it does suck more for the vag because if he knew we would essentially have 7 keepers, he obviously wouldn't have done the trade. So if we do expand, it's good to know that we all know it needs to be reversed. Also, going to 12 teams is not going to "ruin" the league. I've been in an 18 team leagues with higher roster counts and it was a ton of fun. It promotes trades, movements and action. I voted no because that's how I feel at this moment. If the trade's reversed I'll probably just quit, and I don't think it's fair to the vag to lose those players either. Like I said, get everyone to respond first, see if anyone has lost interest and take it from there. Your last line is the most important. Before having a vote, it should be discussed what a bigger league will mean. You're saying you were in an 18 team league and it was fun. That's relevant discussion. We need more of that and less calling people selfish. Have a genuine discussion about is more teams better, and if it is, how can a draft be done in a way that's fair. If that discussion happens and a good plan comes forward, I'd change my vote. Maybe teams at the top of the standings have to expose 2 keepers while teams at the bottom expose none? Just throwing that out there as an example of how to move discussion forward in a positive way. So you know how polls work.. You can't change your vote and I said it would be up for a week. I'm trying to take things one step at a time here... The obvious first step was to see if you all wanted to expand and let brew in. You said it's how you feel at this moment.. Maybe you should have thought a bit more before you voted if you are not sure. So I'm confused, you admit the vag should be pissed about the trade, but you'll quit if it's reversed? So keeping in line with your vote.. You just want whats best for OC and piss on everyone else? Is that what you are saying, because that's how I took it... Correct me if I'm wrong. We've got some history here man.. Ya, you quitting will actually solve this issue, but nobody wants you to go. We've got our heated debates, but like the vag, I do value your friendship and your opinion... Even when it's wrong. Again, I've already asked everyone to participate in this poll and convo. I see no indication that anyone wants out, other than possibly you. The guys have been here for many years... But if they want out, im trying to get them here ASAP so they can say so. There's nothing more I can do. And like I said, I gave you the opportunity to take this over if you think I am not capable of putting a time line in place for this whole process right now. If we do an expansion draft, it'll take some time. So despite everyone telling me what order and how quickly or slowly they think I should be doing what, and even with this never being done before, I think I can manage without everyone telling me what to do and in what order.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 25, 2024 0:28:27 GMT
Dude, this is a forum.. And we all know each other pretty well. I'm sorry if I hurt your feeling but I'm not the first, or will be the last, to dissagree or be harsh when I feel strongly about something and you dissagree with. And I'll say it for the umpteenth time... I started this league for US ALL to enjoy. Keeping people out that want to join goes against the very first reason why I took the initiative to set this whole thing up... FOR US. I'm hoping you can see the reason why I'm passionate about this. I wanted us to all have a good time.. Hence the polls to try to keep the majority happy... But I guess we see how that went.. And again, I don't want to tell brewwins he can't join because some team don't want to lose 2 players... It just feels wrong... Do you want to tell him that? Give him your "greater good" speech? You like democracy as long as it does what you say. You can't have a league for ALL to enjoy if you're taking joy away. Sure I'll tell him he has to wait for someone to quit or another to join with him (and that might be next season), I think he'll understand. Anyway, I think we should shelve conversation until we know all are coming back. If all are, then get everyone to give their two cents on an acceptable expansion format. Get as much consensus as possible on that format, then have a vote. Until then I'm a no. If all I'm doing is taking joy away, when all I wanted was for us all (even brew) to have fun... This league is yours.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 25, 2024 0:41:48 GMT
Shit.. I went to reword the poll as to not offend anyone and it reset... Please revote.
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Post by HoneyVag on Jul 25, 2024 0:43:17 GMT
I voted no because that's how I feel at this moment. If the trade's reversed I'll probably just quit, and I don't think it's fair to the vag to lose those players either. Like I said, get everyone to respond first, see if anyone has lost interest and take it from there. Your last line is the most important. Before having a vote, it should be discussed what a bigger league will mean. You're saying you were in an 18 team league and it was fun. That's relevant discussion. We need more of that and less calling people selfish. Have a genuine discussion about is more teams better, and if it is, how can a draft be done in a way that's fair. If that discussion happens and a good plan comes forward, I'd change my vote. Maybe teams at the top of the standings have to expose 2 keepers while teams at the bottom expose none? Just throwing that out there as an example of how to move discussion forward in a positive way. So you know how polls work.. You can't change your vote and I said it would be up for a week. I'm trying to take things one step at a time here... The obvious first step was to see if you all wanted to expand and let brew in. You said it's how you feel at this moment.. Maybe you should have thought a bit more before you voted if you are not sure. So I'm confused, you admit the vag should be pissed about the trade, but you'll quit if it's reversed? So keeping in line with your vote.. You just want whats best for OC and piss on everyone else? Is that what you are saying, because that's how I took it... Correct me if I'm wrong. We've got some history here man.. Ya, you quitting will actually solve this issue, but nobody wants you to go. We've got our heated debates, but like the vag, I do value your friendship and your opinion... Even when it's wrong. Again, I've already asked everyone to participate in this poll and convo. I see no indication that anyone wants out, other than possibly you. The guys have been here for many years... But if they want out, im trying to get them here ASAP so they can say so. There's nothing more I can do. And like I said, I gave you the opportunity to take this over if you think I am not capable of putting a time line in place for this whole process right now. If we do an expansion draft, it'll take some time. So despite everyone telling me what order and how quickly or slowly they think I should be doing what, and even with this never being done before, I think I can manage without everyone telling me what to do and in what order. See, this is where you're losing people. You say we're allowed to have opinions "even when it's wrong". Why's it wrong? Because it doesn't align with your logic??? Cmon
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Post by The OC on Jul 25, 2024 0:56:10 GMT
Shit.. I went to reword the poll as to not offend anyone and it reset... Please revote. Once you vote you can't change it, that's how polls work. By the way i thought your poll wording was funny, I don't take things too seriously. I was actually referring to your comments in here where you were saying we either agreed with you or we are wrong/selfish. That's being a dink.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 25, 2024 1:02:13 GMT
So you know how polls work.. You can't change your vote and I said it would be up for a week. I'm trying to take things one step at a time here... The obvious first step was to see if you all wanted to expand and let brew in. You said it's how you feel at this moment.. Maybe you should have thought a bit more before you voted if you are not sure. So I'm confused, you admit the vag should be pissed about the trade, but you'll quit if it's reversed? So keeping in line with your vote.. You just want whats best for OC and piss on everyone else? Is that what you are saying, because that's how I took it... Correct me if I'm wrong. We've got some history here man.. Ya, you quitting will actually solve this issue, but nobody wants you to go. We've got our heated debates, but like the vag, I do value your friendship and your opinion... Even when it's wrong. Again, I've already asked everyone to participate in this poll and convo. I see no indication that anyone wants out, other than possibly you. The guys have been here for many years... But if they want out, im trying to get them here ASAP so they can say so. There's nothing more I can do. And like I said, I gave you the opportunity to take this over if you think I am not capable of putting a time line in place for this whole process right now. If we do an expansion draft, it'll take some time. So despite everyone telling me what order and how quickly or slowly they think I should be doing what, and even with this never being done before, I think I can manage without everyone telling me what to do and in what order. See, this is where you're losing people. You say we're allowed to have opinions "even when it's wrong". Why's it wrong? Because it doesn't align with your logic??? Cmon It was a joke.. It is impossible to get your opinion wrong... Less funny when you need to explain it...
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 25, 2024 1:05:28 GMT
Shit.. I went to reword the poll as to not offend anyone and it reset... Please revote. Once you vote you can't change it, that's how polls work. By the way i thought your poll wording was funny, I don't take things too seriously. I was actually referring to your comments in here where you were saying we either agreed with you or we are wrong/selfish. That's being a dink. Well I'm glad you got it at least... But the vag had a big issue with it... Shocking... So I tried to be as vanilla as possible before the others go and vote. I think not letting people in is a dink move and you think me verbalizing it is a dink move... We'll Put it in the snake bag and move on.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 25, 2024 1:08:53 GMT
Shit.. I went to reword the poll as to not offend anyone and it reset... Please revote. Once you vote you can't change it, that's how polls work. By the way i thought your poll wording was funny, I don't take things too seriously. I was actually referring to your comments in here where you were saying we either agreed with you or we are wrong/selfish. That's being a dink. Not when the commish accidentally deletes the pole apparently. Take joy in the fact the vag as already accused me of using it as a scheme to try to get people to change their mind... *palm on face*... It'll never fucking end with him... I ask myself how and why we are actually friends..
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Post by The OC on Jul 25, 2024 1:34:57 GMT
Once you vote you can't change it, that's how polls work. By the way i thought your poll wording was funny, I don't take things too seriously. I was actually referring to your comments in here where you were saying we either agreed with you or we are wrong/selfish. That's being a dink. Not when the commish accidentally deletes the pole apparently. Take joy in the fact the vag as already accused me of using it as a scheme to try to get people to change their mind... *palm on face*... It'll never fucking end with him... I ask myself how and why we are actually friends.. I just gave a big thoughtful response but my PC logged me out and deleted it. It will now remain in the land of what could have been until I get the energy to retype.
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