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Post by nitelite on Jan 1, 2024 23:03:40 GMT
Yeah 50! Which is what I was referring too about Fredrick earlier. WHY do the the B's ALWAYS have to be the ones responding instead of starting! Which is what I thought Freddy was going to be! Nick Cousins those guys are able to do both! Antagonize & produce! That's what Freddy should be doing. Two things here nite, because I've thought about this a bit. I like Freddy the kid. He has the balls to fight anyone and the personality to be a prick if that's what they need. Part one: I think he tried on the agitator who will also fight hat for his first few years. Anything to stay in the NHL. But when he fought too often, I think he started missing games with concussionlike symptoms and that gave them pause. When he just agitated, he took a lot of stupid penalties. He didn't draw them or take guys to the box on retaliation. It wasn't helping. And it's not a thing one guy can do. They can't be trying to put a thunder blanket on Marchand to calm him down and then turn to Freddy and feed him meth and PCP to make him a bigger Marchand. So all that leads me to think it's coaching that keeps him under wraps. Too bad, becauae he's got the ability to be a 30 goal guy if he olayed angry every game like last night. Part two: trying all those roles hurt his development. He got ripped for not making plays when he was fighting, for just agitating when he wasn't fighting, and for not scoring enough to justify a lineup spot when he was neither scoring nor fighting but still getting 9-10 min a night with Nosek and Steen. Then to danny's point, he has a career year and they bump him from the lineup for guys with less jam but better scoring resumes. Or more jam but less skill. Frederic is what he's been coached to be. Bruins haven't had a pro-nasty coach since Julien. I guess so, but I still wish that Lank & Freddy would become this teams Cousin & Lomberg. More snarl, bite & just become irritating fucks! Those 2 cause teams to be on their toes more often than not & come playoff time as we witnessed it becomes very effective.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 1, 2024 23:27:29 GMT
I wonder. When healthy, this is a big team. A heavy team. Outside of Marchand and Lauko, who aren't the problem when talking grease, the only F under 6' and 200 are Steen (scratched) Merkulov (in for Steen), Debrusk at 198, Heinen at 193 and Pasta who is 196. They aren't slight and they have guys who can take the bump to make a play. Their centres average 6'3 and 210. It just isn't the culture here to chase guys around. It's selfish, even if you're doing it to avenge some slight like DeBrincat slashing at McAvoy. I liked Frederic saying "right now" to Chiarot. Play over, drop at C to come no disruption to the team game. This is your chance if you want to go; if you're being a psych major then, to borrow a line from Brian Cox...fuck off. Point is, I think the answer to nite's question is coaching. It’s not the size, it’s how you use it 😉 That's what she said and i'm all in baby!!!
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 1, 2024 23:34:30 GMT
Yep, it's very evident that the Panthers/Maurice greasy, chippy, in your face style gameplan is what some teams are using against the B's for sure. The Panthers, Wings, Wild, BJ's, Jets, Rags & Isles all have tried it to varying degrees and the B's generally have no answer of comeback. For example Pasta had to do his own dirty work against the Rags and got kicked out of the game because of it. I mean there was the Frederic and Trouba scuffle but it was more for show than any real tone setting. It seems the B's have to overcome the rough stuff by winning the game as opposed to answering it which isn't good and will especially be highlighted in the playoffs again when the incompetent officiating becomes more pronounced. Yeah 50! Which is what I was referring too about Fredrick earlier. WHY do the the B's ALWAYS have to be the ones responding instead of starting! Which is what I thought Freddy was going to be! Nick Cousins those guys are able to do both! Antagonize & produce! That's what Freddy should be doing. I'd like Freddie to turn into a Turk/Schmautz hybrid, play a chippy, gritty style, score 20-25 gl year but don't be as crazy as Sanderson, don't want him in the box as much as him, more like Bobby.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 2, 2024 0:17:00 GMT
Yeah 50! Which is what I was referring too about Fredrick earlier. WHY do the the B's ALWAYS have to be the ones responding instead of starting! Which is what I thought Freddy was going to be! Nick Cousins those guys are able to do both! Antagonize & produce! That's what Freddy should be doing. I'd like Freddie to turn into a Turk/Schmautz hybrid, play a chippy, gritty style, score 20-25 gl year but don't be as crazy as Sanderson, don't want him in the box as much as him, more like Bobby. I'm happy with the way his game is going. If he does this with more consistency, the other stuff will come. And i suspect he has some of the Marchand streak where if he's emotionally engaged in the nasty, he's better all around. Wanting him ti be something he's not is a recipe for disappointment.
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Post by nitelite on Jan 2, 2024 1:23:31 GMT
Yeah 50! Which is what I was referring too about Fredrick earlier. WHY do the the B's ALWAYS have to be the ones responding instead of starting! Which is what I thought Freddy was going to be! Nick Cousins those guys are able to do both! Antagonize & produce! That's what Freddy should be doing. I'd like Freddie to turn into a Turk/Schmautz hybrid, play a chippy, gritty style, score 20-25 gl year but don't be as crazy as Sanderson, don't want him in the box as much as him, more like Bobby. Or a Secord!
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Post by dannycater on Jan 2, 2024 1:28:35 GMT
I'd like Freddie to turn into a Turk/Schmautz hybrid, play a chippy, gritty style, score 20-25 gl year but don't be as crazy as Sanderson, don't want him in the box as much as him, more like Bobby. Or a Secord! Secord was unique...a guy who became a tremendous scorer for Blackhawks after B's but one of the league's best fighters...Neely also unique...only a few were the combination we all dream about. Neely though was simply on another planet (Krypton) even compared to Secord.
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Post by zamboni24 on Jan 2, 2024 3:28:21 GMT
Sounds like we need a physical feisty prick center that can beat people up, score goals and win face offs.
In the meantime — let’s rack up another win tomorrow in Columbus.
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Post by Fletcher on Jan 2, 2024 14:14:50 GMT
This is a ridiculous explanation, by the way. It isn't true, and it was not mentioned by the referee. Every explanation for this has been ridiculous. The only defense of it is that goalie interference calls have been so arbitrary for two decades, that there isn't much precedent for any particular referee decision. To me, the contact isn't "incidental" if it hooks the goalie's glove hand, while a shot is coming in. That's targeted...the opposite of incidental. That argument is dumb. Do they really want to open the door for hooking and slashing the goalie's hands if they have one foot out of the crease? First I've heard of that. For God's sake, with Sean Avery we learned that you're not supposed to visually harass the goalie. The argument that he's out of the paint" is dumb too. One, because he really wasn't. Two, because it's a penalty to hook a players' hands with a horizontal stick anywhere on the ice. Lastly, you are not supposed to be able to interfere with a goalie's ability to face a shot. By this ruling, if a goalie goes behind the net, then a forward could block him from ever getting back to the crease, and then just say "hey, he's out of the crease, so it's not interference." I mean, why wouldn't you now hook and interfere with the goalie every time they leave the crease? It's just so stupid, that you have to think the crew was trying to think of some way to let the goal stand. Good luck with this call's precedent down the road. Fletch, I always try to take the goalie’s side on these, but I think if you watch the tape Swayman is in fact outside the blue (see the screenshots I took) and that is in fact the rule. We know he was interfered with, but they do not protect the goalies outside the crease. The ref could have decided on an “interference” rather than a “goalie interference” or even a hook, but a ref, I think, has to allow this goal otherwise: I understand what you're saying, but you're only catching the tail end of this in the frames you've chosen. The stick hooking the goalie's glove starts (and pulls his glove hand away) while he's still in the crease (one foot anyhow). The shot comes a tick later, when he's just outside. But we've seen goalie interference calls simply for blocking the goalie's path back into position, and then a shot comes through. No goal. We've seen goals taken off the board because the goalie was not able to get set in position. I agree with Isla's point that maybe this relates to the Bruins challenge being too specific, but again, if you want to allow a forward to hook or slash a goalie ( in the hands) while a shot is coming in, the precedent for that is going to be a complete mess.
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Post by nitelite on Jan 2, 2024 14:17:53 GMT
Fletch, I always try to take the goalie’s side on these, but I think if you watch the tape Swayman is in fact outside the blue (see the screenshots I took) and that is in fact the rule. We know he was interfered with, but they do not protect the goalies outside the crease. The ref could have decided on an “interference” rather than a “goalie interference” or even a hook, but a ref, I think, has to allow this goal otherwise: I understand what you're saying, but you're only catching the tail end of this in the frames you've chosen. The stick hooking the goalie's glove starts (and pulls his glove hand away) while he's still in the crease (one foot anyhow). The shot comes a tick later, when he's just outside. But we've seen goalie interference calls simply for blocking the goalie's path back into position, and then a shot comes through. No goal. We've seen goals taken off the board because the goalie was not able to get set in position. I agree with Isla's point that maybe this relates to the Bruins challenge being too specific, but again, if you want to allow a forward to hook or slash a goalie ( in the hands) while a shot is coming in, the precedent for that is going to be a complete mess. Agree again Fletch! This will cause a huge scandal if it continues!
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Post by nitelite on Jan 2, 2024 14:19:02 GMT
Secord was unique...a guy who became a tremendous scorer for Blackhawks after B's but one of the league's best fighters...Neely also unique...only a few were the combination we all dream about. Neely though was simply on another planet (Krypton) even compared to Secord. Grapes wasn't happy when Harry moved him that's for sure!!
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Post by fiberglassmask on Jan 2, 2024 14:52:21 GMT
I understand what you're saying, but you're only catching the tail end of this in the frames you've chosen. The stick hooking the goalie's glove starts (and pulls his glove hand away) while he's still in the crease (one foot anyhow). The shot comes a tick later, when he's just outside. But we've seen goalie interference calls simply for blocking the goalie's path back into position, and then a shot comes through. No goal. We've seen goals taken off the board because the goalie was not able to get set in position. I agree with Isla's point that maybe this relates to the Bruins challenge being too specific, but again, if you want to allow a forward to hook or slash a goalie ( in the hands) while a shot is coming in, the precedent for that is going to be a complete mess. Agree again Fletch! This will cause a huge scandal if it continues! I dunno guys, I don’t disagree with Fletch’s points, but the NHL has been terribly inconsistent and illogical regarding goalie interference for years now. I don’t see another disputed call on another bang-bang play causing precedent issues or scandals. The league improperly awarded a Stanley Cup on what should have been a no-goal. This one won’t cause a ripple.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 2, 2024 19:45:00 GMT
I'd like Freddie to turn into a Turk/Schmautz hybrid, play a chippy, gritty style, score 20-25 gl year but don't be as crazy as Sanderson, don't want him in the box as much as him, more like Bobby. I'm happy with the way his game is going. If he does this with more consistency, the other stuff will come. And i suspect he has some of the Marchand streak where if he's emotionally engaged in the nasty, he's better all around. Wanting him ti be something he's not is a recipe for disappointment. Well at times over Frederic's career with the B's i've been disappointed already, so hoping he can become something i would like to see won't cause much more.
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Post by fifthline on Jan 2, 2024 20:40:51 GMT
Freddie I felt took a big leap last year as his skating seemed faster and stronger. That seems to have propelled him to just keep improving while having the occasion disengaged game. I’m really glad he’s on the team.
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