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Post by thanx4memORRies on Jan 23, 2024 13:49:57 GMT
The Grz hate is getting a little silly. He played the least of any Bruins D man. He was even on the night. They beat a heavy opponent that was missing key pieces fairly handily. He had as many hits as both Lindholm and McAvoy. He's no one's secret weapon but he gets way too much hate for what he actually delivers. Like JDB. He's "on pace" for 22-26-48. That would be two off his career high even after a very slow start. Close to .70 points/game since Dec 1st, and a point per game player since Christmas. People were shitting in his cornflakes before the holidays but now he's a key part of them dominating teams like the Avs and Jets. Gryz sucks. But it would be less of an issue if there wasn't a 6'5" phenom scoring OT winners in PRov instead of helping in the bigs. Wotherspoon ready too. We've seen enough of the Gryz playoff act. Whoa Nelly! Lohrei might become a very good d-man some day but he’s no phenom…. An example of a phenom is a kid who steps into the league in 1979 and goes on to dominate for the next 20 years…. Although he’s shown flashes of offensive acumen, Lohrei’s defensive game needs work as does him needing to fill out that 6’5” frame in order to be a better physical presence in the d-zone…. Without that he’ll be eaten alive come playoff time just like five-foot something guy is….
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Post by Fletcher on Jan 23, 2024 14:43:36 GMT
Toni-nanu-nanu-donato....Jack just dying trying to spit one name out. Hate to say it, but Jack sounded like a robot with a defective sound card tonight.Yes, I was using the same word listening to that game. In addition to the fumbling of names and noises and whatever, he has now developed this robotic cadence that doesn't even sound like a human voice. It's so unnatural. I still have a soft spot for Jack, but it really is getting bad.
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Post by Lord Markwart on Jan 23, 2024 14:44:40 GMT
she’s taller. no surprise Can she play D? No, but she is no doubt eye candy for the Bruins brass and they like their sugar fix.
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Post by Fletcher on Jan 23, 2024 14:46:19 GMT
I'm not sure I've seen the Bruins have a better night from the "wear em' down" standpoint. There was a lot of great 5-on-5 possession play in that game. Cycling and grinding.
The sequence leading up the to 2nd goal was masterful, and I can't remember a recent game where the opposing defenders looked so completely gassed at stoppages. Morrissey looked like he was gonna throw up at one point.
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Post by chappy28 on Jan 23, 2024 15:45:09 GMT
Most on the forum do not like Gryz primarily through his playoff performances. He generally plays with one of the top ten defensemen in the NHL, so, his plus/minus will be noticeable until those playoff games. As for JDB, most are tired of his inconsistencies. If he continues to score, well, his game is a keeper. His defense is so much better than a couple years ago. Why trade him if what the Bs get back is a scoring winger. JDB needs to be more consistent. His playoff record is good compared to Gryz. So the on board criticism is warranted. One thing I don't understand though is how JDB is excused for being late for work that pays him 4m. I guess hugs are better for the late 20s crowd. I guess I am jealous, I was use to a verbal compound fracture when I erred in those years. I don't like Grz because he simply isn't a good defenseman, and he is definitely not worth $4.25 mill per year, period. His playoff performances are even worse, which nobody would dispute. Everybody on d, including ShatnerKirk, Wotherspoon and most of all Lohrei, who all had to sit out games while the worst d-man on the B's roster keeps getting regular ice time (even on the PK and in OT - why, FFS, why?), is much better than Grz.
Grz' contract is up at the end of this season, and I have a feeling that Montgomery doesn't want to make the decision for Sweeney now. If Montgomery healthy scratches Grzelcyk regularly, Sweeney has no leg to stand on if he wants to re-sign #48 this summer.
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Post by chappy28 on Jan 23, 2024 15:45:47 GMT
I don't like Grz because he simply isn't a good defenseman, and he is definitely not worth $4.25 mill per year, period. His playoff performances are even worse, which nobody would dispute. Everybody on d, including ShatnerKirk, Wotherspoon and most of all Lohrei, who all had to sit out games while the worst d-man on the B's roster keeps getting regular ice time (even on the PK and in OT - why, FFS, why?), is much better than Grz.
Grz' contract is up at the end of this season, and I have a feeling that Montgomery doesn't want to make the decision for Sweeney now. If Montgomery healthy scratches Grzelcyk regularly, Sweeney has no leg to stand on if he wants to re-sign #48 this summer. wouldn't mind him being shipped out at the deadline. Get us back into the second or third round this year
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Post by The OC on Jan 23, 2024 16:24:20 GMT
No, but she is no doubt eye candy for the Bruins brass and they like their sugar fix. Now we know who's putting in the extra hours in Donnie's office to keep him in the lineup!
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Jan 23, 2024 16:54:27 GMT
wouldn't mind him being shipped out at the deadline. Get us back into the second or third round this year Best case scenario is Donnie looking the other way after the season…. As bad as Grezlik may be, pretty sure Donnie prefers hanging on to him in case some on the d-corps come down with malaria during the playoffs….
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 23, 2024 16:55:03 GMT
Most on the forum do not like Gryz primarily through his playoff performances. He generally plays with one of the top ten defensemen in the NHL, so, his plus/minus will be noticeable until those playoff games. As for JDB, most are tired of his inconsistencies. If he continues to score, well, his game is a keeper. His defense is so much better than a couple years ago. Why trade him if what the Bs get back is a scoring winger. JDB needs to be more consistent. His playoff record is good compared to Gryz. So the on board criticism is warranted. One thing I don't understand though is how JDB is excused for being late for work that pays him 4m. I guess hugs are better for the late 20s crowd. I guess I am jealous, I was use to a verbal compound fracture when I erred in those years. I don't like Grz because he simply isn't a good defenseman, and he is definitely not worth $4.25 mill per year, period. His playoff performances are even worse, which nobody would dispute. Everybody on d, including ShatnerKirk, Wotherspoon and most of all Lohrei, who all had to sit out games while the worst d-man on the B's roster keeps getting regular ice time (even on the PK and in OT - why, FFS, why?), is much better than Grz.
Grz' contract is up at the end of this season, and I have a feeling that Montgomery doesn't want to make the decision for Sweeney now. If Montgomery healthy scratches Grzelcyk regularly, Sweeney has no leg to stand on if he wants to re-sign #48 this summer. I would bet donuts to dollars that it's Sweeney telling Monty to keep Grzelcyk in the lineup. One reason could easily be that "healthy scratches" make Grizz less attractive.
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Post by dannycater on Jan 23, 2024 17:34:31 GMT
she’s taller. no surprise Can she play D? Like most NHL forwards, she can manhandle him in tight quarters/corners and around the net or bed.
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Post by dannycater on Jan 23, 2024 17:36:01 GMT
I'm not sure I've seen the Bruins have a better night from the "wear em' down" standpoint. There was a lot of great 5-on-5 possession play in that game. Cycling and grinding. The sequence leading up the to 2nd goal was masterful, and I can't remember a recent game where the opposing defenders looked so completely gassed at stoppages. Morrissey looked like he was gonna throw up at one point. JVR didn't get on scoresheet but sure as hell was a beast I believe on that long zone time possession...he was still on when the other 4 guys went off because the puck was deep and stayed deep for what seemed like 90 seconds.
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Post by beezfan4life on Jan 23, 2024 18:50:57 GMT
No, but she is no doubt eye candy for the Bruins brass and they like their sugar fix. Now we know who's putting in the extra hours in Donnie's office to keep him in the lineup! Don got her an under the desk job 😍
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Post by MrHulot on Jan 23, 2024 19:57:30 GMT
Like most NHL forwards, she can manhandle him in tight quarters/corners and around the net or bed.
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Post by MrHulot on Jan 23, 2024 20:06:06 GMT
I'm not sure I've seen the Bruins have a better night from the "wear em' down" standpoint. There was a lot of great 5-on-5 possession play in that game. Cycling and grinding. The sequence leading up the to 2nd goal was masterful, and I can't remember a recent game where the opposing defenders looked so completely gassed at stoppages. Morrissey looked like he was gonna throw up at one point. JVR didn't get on scoresheet but sure as hell was a beast I believe on that long zone time possession...he was still on when the other 4 guys went off because the puck was deep and stayed deep for what seemed like 90 seconds. I want JVR on the B's roster for the rest of his career. There, I've said it.
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Post by The OC on Jan 23, 2024 22:13:25 GMT
Like most NHL forwards, she can manhandle him in tight quarters/corners and around the net or bed. Insider reports ( Probably Mr Hulot standing behind a post) say he also fails to deliver whenever she applies any pressure, leading to a lot of frustration.
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Post by dannycater on Jan 23, 2024 23:04:02 GMT
Like most NHL forwards, she can manhandle him in tight quarters/corners and around the net or bed. Insider reports ( Probably Mr Hulot standing behind a post) say he also fails to deliver whenever she applies any pressure, leading to a lot of frustration. ROFLMAO
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Post by MrHulot on Jan 23, 2024 23:08:23 GMT
Like most NHL forwards, she can manhandle him in tight quarters/corners and around the net or bed. Insider reports ( Probably Mr Hulot standing behind a post) say he also fails to deliver whenever she applies any pressure, leading to a lot of frustration. Yeah, that was one of the most embarrassing assignments ever. It could only be compared to...
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Post by chappy28 on Jan 24, 2024 0:35:38 GMT
wouldn't mind him being shipped out at the deadline. Get us back into the second or third round this year Best case scenario is Donnie looking the other way after the season…. As bad as Grezlik may be, pretty sure Donnie prefers hanging on to him in case some on the d-corps come down with malaria during the playoffs…. Yeah, but then you consider that right now we have Wotherspoon AND Lohrei down in Providence both of whom are better options than Gryz and also remember that if nothing changes the Bruins don't have a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 7th round pick next year. If Gryz brings back a second I'm doing it. If it's a third I'm considering it. puckpedia.com/team/boston-bruins/draftpicks
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Jan 24, 2024 1:03:23 GMT
Best case scenario is Donnie looking the other way after the season…. As bad as Grezlik may be, pretty sure Donnie prefers hanging on to him in case some on the d-corps come down with malaria during the playoffs…. Yeah, but then you consider that right now we have Wotherspoon AND Lohrei down in Providence both of whom are better options than Gryz and also remember that if nothing changes the Bruins don't have a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 7th round pick next year. If Gryz brings back a second I'm doing it. If it's a third I'm considering it. puckpedia.com/team/boston-bruins/draftpicksSorry, but Grezlik isn’t bringing any rounder back…. No team with plans for this year is in desperate need for his services and he’ll be available for the rest come July….
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 24, 2024 3:33:46 GMT
Watched some of the Sportsnet post game and wow. Amber asked the question "do we need to give the first place Bruins more respect and the answers were about wanting to see them in the playoffs and a resounding maybe because they got older and slower. Fekk eff. Show me the Jets playoff success. Or Vancouver's. But they have their tongue out to ball wash those teams. Just intolerable. So it wasn’t really an Amber alert then Amber rarely seems alert.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 24, 2024 3:46:00 GMT
Watched some of the Sportsnet post game and wow. Amber asked the question "do we need to give the first place Bruins more respect and the answers were about wanting to see them in the playoffs and a resounding maybe because they got older and slower. Fekk eff. Show me the Jets playoff success. Or Vancouver's. But they have their tongue out to ball wash those teams. Just intolerable. Every team gets older by virtue of time. But the Bruins overall got younger with PB and DK leaving and younger guys coming in. But that's hard to get through a dummy's head. Yeah, the dummy part is really the key here. Amber was talking about which Canadian team has the best chance to win the Cup and break the 30+ year Canadrought. He says "The Canucks who are in first overall, the Jets who have been near the top of the league all year, the Oilers who are the league's hottest team, and you know, the Leafs with Matthews, Marner, that puts them in the conversation...". It was among the most Leaf pandering things I've heard on HNIC and that's like saying that's the best pic of Sophia that Mr. Hulot has posted. It's a high bar.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 24, 2024 3:47:44 GMT
I'm not sure I've seen the Bruins have a better night from the "wear em' down" standpoint. There was a lot of great 5-on-5 possession play in that game. Cycling and grinding. The sequence leading up the to 2nd goal was masterful, and I can't remember a recent game where the opposing defenders looked so completely gassed at stoppages. Morrissey looked like he was gonna throw up at one point. I was on the road for part of the second so listened to the radio call, and the number of times Beers said "some tired Jets out there right now" was +/- 5 in a 20 minute drive.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 24, 2024 3:56:10 GMT
Watched some of the Sportsnet post game and wow. Amber asked the question "do we need to give the first place Bruins more respect and the answers were about wanting to see them in the playoffs and a resounding maybe because they got older and slower. Fekk eff. Show me the Jets playoff success. Or Vancouver's. But they have their tongue out to ball wash those teams. Just intolerable. That's precisely why i don't watch, pathetic commentary. They're getting older? Their two oldest players retired last summer. Every team gets another year older, duh, like really , that's the best they can come up with? They're slow? They've beat some pretty so called fast teams Avs, Scabs, Wings, Devils, LeRfs, Bolts...where do they come up with this shit, maybe they should do their homework. They want to see them in the playoffs?! You can say that about any team, geezus, hopefully Sportsnet loses the hockey rights next bid but unfortunately i don't know who has the money to outbid them. They're horrible.
*by the way, out of curiosity who was on the panel along with Amber?
Sad to say it, but Anson Carter was the biggest dope along with Jason Williams and Gasdick? Whoever that turkey is.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 24, 2024 4:44:28 GMT
The Grz hate is getting a little silly. He played the least of any Bruins D man. He was even on the night. They beat a heavy opponent that was missing key pieces fairly handily. He had as many hits as both Lindholm and McAvoy. He's no one's secret weapon but he gets way too much money for what he actually delivers. Like JDB. He's "on pace" for 22-26-48. That would be two off his career high even after a very slow start. Close to .70 points/game since Dec 1st, and a point per game player since Christmas. People were shitting in his cornflakes before the holidays but now he's a key part of them dominating teams like the Avs and Jets.
Fixed it for you.
You may call it "hate". I wouldn't, because I know why I am relentless in posting my opinion about #48 (in which I am definitely not alone). If the coaches and GMs involved in this were a little more reasonable and didn't stubbornly treat Grz like he's a good defenseman (which he definitely isn't - he's not even an NHL caliber defenseman, he's a below-average minor leaguer), I wouldn't even think about being so harsh. "He was even on the night", okay, that wasn't too hard as the Jets only scored one goal. But wasn't he supposed to provide assists and a few goals from the blue line, basically replacing the a million times more capable Torey Krug? Graesslich has two goals and five assists this season, and he's +6 because he gets all the protection Montgomery can muster. Why, FFS, why? A much more talented kid like Mason Lohrei has to feel something stinks when he has to sit out games while #48 can commit all kinds of lousy mistakes without being called to the floor.
Sorry, I am an emotional guy, always have been. And I won't calm down about it. Look, I'm not here to praise Caesar or to bury him, but one of the things that makes me shake my head is when people get Larry Murphy syndrome. It's a particular kind of confirmation bias about a player where you only notice the things that confirm your judgement of him, the coaching staff for playing him, management for paying him and his mother for giving birth. Calling a guy who has played 6+ seasons on the team with the best points% in the league over that stretch, and who has scored about 1 point/3 games over that time despite not being on the PP regularly a "below-average minor leaguer" just wrecks your credibility on this. It's an emotional statement, not a reasonable one. He has 101 ES points since he became a regular. There is no defenseman who has played the same TOI or less who has more points at even strength. But because he doesn't produce as much as guys who play 20-25% more than he does, including on the PP, people say he doesn't contribute on offense. I don't know why anyone gives any credibility to the narrative that he was supposed to replace Krug's production, either. There's absolutely no reason to have thought that other than they're both short. I don't recall the team saying that when they let Krug go, or at least, not specifically saying "we let Torey go because we have Grz". Maybe "we have other guys who can pick up the slack including Grz". The "we'll have one short NCAA D replace another!" narrative was always a fan site narrative and not real. Now we're into conspiracy theory territory on him. The only reason he's still in the lineup is his dad, his relationship with McAvoy, his wife, Sweeney's got mad cow.... Watch Ottawa for a few games and tell me they wouldn't rather have Grz over Brannstrom, or Hamonic, or Bernard-Docker - who they already risked losing for nothing and no one took him. Watch the 5-6 for Montreal. Watch the shitshow that is Rasmus Dahlin's decision-making this year. 5-6 D are a shitshow league wide. Clifton's getting just slightly more TOI in Buffalo and he's a hot mess. I don't see a conspiracy. What I see is something that coaches say all around the league - guys are going to make mistakes. We'll live with mistakes as long as you also make plays, and Grz makes a lot of plays for a guy in his role. Or he has for most of his career. I think he's been worse than usual this year, and maybe that's a good thing because they can walk at the end of the year and not get caught with him becoming a crapfest. I mean, I get it. He's not a great player. He's a #6 maybe #7 on a contender, and in the playoffs, we know he becomes a liability against heavy teams. Again, not here to praise Caesar. But he's capable enough that if he's their #6, they will be just fine until the playoffs. Replacing him is not an issue, and running him out of town for the cost of a tank of gas and some feathers is silly. That line about it not being hard for him to be even on the night is a good example of the confirmation bias. The Jets only got one goal, so easy enough not to be a minus. Sure. But the Bruins shut down the Jets shot attempts for most of the game and he was part of that. They limited the Jets chances by being faster to pucks and making smart moves to keep possession. They didn't get hemmed in by a team that ate their lunch recently. Oh, and you know who didn't play in that game? Grz. And lastly, money. I don't care about the actual dollars for this year because it's a contract over X number of years. I don't think about guys getting the same $10K or whatever they make per day on game days and on off days during the season for the same reason. It's a 4 year contract that breaks down to $3.687M per season, and that's also his cap hit. So however they break it up to pay the total is just flucky fluck to me. Now look at his stats relative to guys who make about the same amount of cash. Take out the guys who are too young to have signed contracts that cover UFA years like Byram and Miller. And look both at his current 0.22 points/game and +/- and his career 0.32. And you'll see he produces similar stats despite playing less as guys who make similar coin. He will make less after this. If he's a Bruin next year, I would be surprised if it's for more than $1.25M. That's because he's over 30 now and there's not the market for him to drive his price and his term. But he'll play. FFS, Mike Reilly is playing. Matt Irwin played for years. And a last thought - I get emotional when I have to hear about how I should worry some rookie who has proven the square root of balls is going to be butthurt because the coach trusts another player more than him. If Lohrei thinks he's significantly better than Grz and should be playing ahead of him, I hope they trade him to Ak-Bars Kazan because I don't want that prima donna on this team. Fuck him. But of course, he doesn't because he probably knows he didn't make the plays the coaches told him to make in certain situations. It wasn't an obvious mistake like being out of position but it was a mental mistake that undermines the coach's faith that you understand what's being asked of you. And there's probably a lot of that we don't know about because we don't hear the coach's instructions. I tend to have faith that the coach is going to do what's best for his job, and that he knows what's best for his job - winning, but also the players who are most likely to get there. If he doesn't, he gets fired and another guy comes in and tried to do just that - what's best to keep the job. If Montgomery though Lohrei was ready, or that it would be better for him to play against NHL competition so he'd be the best option by the playoffs, he'd play him in Boston. Barring being told he can't have him for Cap reasons, of course.
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Post by Fletcher on Jan 24, 2024 5:11:20 GMT
I'm not sure I've seen the Bruins have a better night from the "wear em' down" standpoint. There was a lot of great 5-on-5 possession play in that game. Cycling and grinding. The sequence leading up the to 2nd goal was masterful, and I can't remember a recent game where the opposing defenders looked so completely gassed at stoppages. Morrissey looked like he was gonna throw up at one point. I was on the road for part of the second so listened to the radio call, and the number of times Beers said "some tired Jets out there right now" was +/- 5 in a 20 minute drive. Yeah, it looked like those beer league hockey games when three defensmen decide they can't make it 30 minutes before the game, and everyone is double shifting. Guys doubled-over at whistles coasting to the bench.
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