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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 29, 2024 17:46:43 GMT
Stone is a bad example because the injury is so unusual. But it's the gray area where you know teams are going to choose what works best for them. Say Stone's injury was a knee. Recovery could be 2-4 months. Even if the playoffs started three months into that recovery, there's every reason to believe (how often do pros need the full time?) that he would be good to go before the end of the season, but will be held out to allow for the team to use his cap hit elsewhere. But the main issue is why can you leverage an injury to ice a lineup that is $20M over the cap on an annualized basis in the playiffs? Why? Problem number one is that the trade deadline allows you to ice a team waaaaaay over the cap if you have the cap space to pay their remaining salary. No one wants to get rid of that, and that makes it very difficult ti conceptualize the separate problem with LTIR. I have thought of a lot of things that would make sense - but the more I thought about them the less sensible they got. I think the only thing that makes sense for me is that you can't play both the guy you acquired through LTIR AND the guys they repkaced in the same game. You can keep both on the roster but they can't play in the same playoff game. Mark Stone is a prime example of the problem with LTIR. If the injury was in November, 2 to 4 months would have not given Vegas a chance to add to the roster at the TDL. Other teams have to comply if the injury occurs earlier in the year. It is not equitable. Further more medical prognostications really can not be challenged as the NHLPA would certainly defend the right of the injured player to be given more time to "heal". Vaguery on who can challenge a medical determination. Once again the best way to solve the issue is to make the team Cap compliant before each game in the playoffs. Yeah, it really does come down to the loophole created by a player's injury status going beyond the end of the season. LTIR is supposed to be temporary; in no other circumstance are you able to have both the injured player AND the player or players who you replaced him with while he was injured - well, unless you make other moves to clear the necessary Cap space. And the more I think about it, the more the whole medical clearance side of this is beside the point. It all comes down to this - fix this and there's no incentive to have a guy rest for an extra week or two to absolutely sure he's recovered. I think the only reason it hasn't been fixed is that it's complicated. The purpose of LTIR is to ensure that the Cap doesn't cost teams their whole seasons because a key player goes down to injury. It's there to maintain the team's ability to be competitive when they lose a player for a long time. In Vegas's case this year, that meant getting Hertl and Hanafin to protect their shaky playoff position. They were in real trouble if they had to cover for Stone with call ups. But there was no way they were going to be able to afford those two guys and bring Stone back. So if they had to show that they could bring Stone back and still be compliant, they wouldn't have been able to make those moves, and there's a chance that Blues make up the points and bump them out of the playoffs. The LTIR is useless unless you can make that kind of move. So you let them set rosters like baseball. They can go over the regular season Cap using LTIR but if they want to bring that guy back, they have to make room by taking other players off of their playoff roster - basically have to make them black aces who can only be activated in case of injury. But the PAs not going to love that. Guy gets traded to a team missing a key piece knowing that he's going to get benched once the guy gets healthy no matter how well he's playing? Never happen. So you let them make whatever moves necessary to accommodate the guy's annualized Cap hit. Or, as you say, they can only ice a cap compliant roster however they get there. OK, sure...but they'll be up against teams that don't meet that criterion because they've got deadline acquisitions. No way they let that stand. It becomes another uneven playing field and a disadvantage for having injuries that were beyond your control. That's no good. I don't know how they fix it in the end, but some version of having to ice a roster that is in line with the rules and the objectives of LTIR seems like the only option. Having guys get injured shouldn't be a competitive advantage.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Apr 29, 2024 23:41:10 GMT
Maurice challenges that Duclair interferes. Bob was able to move perry well. Refs say no goal. Bah humbug!
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Post by 50belowzero on Apr 30, 2024 0:19:11 GMT
Maurice challenges that Duclair interferes. Bob was able to move perry well. Refs say no goal. Bah humbug! Yeah, it was close but Duclair went into the blue paint on his own, his skate was in the way of Bob's glove.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Apr 30, 2024 0:41:43 GMT
Big bomb by Hedman. Pulls Tampa within one. Bob was lights out before that.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Apr 30, 2024 0:53:53 GMT
I hate Tampa this call is awful.
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Post by 50belowzero on Apr 30, 2024 1:45:34 GMT
I hate Tampa this call is awful. Bye bye Bolts, what i expected.
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Post by alsamarraie on Apr 30, 2024 2:27:37 GMT
Leah Hextall really thought that haircut was a good idea…? Fuckin anime look.
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Post by MrHulot on Apr 30, 2024 9:58:59 GMT
Leah Hextall really thought that haircut was a good idea…? Fuckin anime look. Pic?
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Post by MrHulot on Apr 30, 2024 10:30:30 GMT
Big bomb by Hedman. Pulls Tampa within one. Bob was lights out before that.
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 30, 2024 12:24:17 GMT
Apropos of nothing, I just had a glimpse of the world where "the Michigan" is normal.
Saw a video of some kid in Russia who starts doing the Michigan behind the net, and when the goalie moves across to the side he expects the puck to go, the kid FLIPS THE PUCK OVER THE NET, comes out the other side, and bunts it into the yawning cage.
All of this requires him to be wildly swinging his stick above the crossbar and more or less at face height. But it would be a legal play, and what made me think you should drink all the good booze now because the rapture is coming is that it's the logical counter once D start recognizing the Michigan and going hard to the post to cut it off.
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 30, 2024 17:41:30 GMT
I hate Tampa this call is awful. Bye bye Bolts, what i expected. I think the series result was predictable but I was surprised it wasn't closer. But then everything I expected about the series was topsy turvy. You looked at the Tampans, and if you thought they had a chance it was because Stamkos-Kucherov and Point would dominate, but then the lack of depth and defense would ultimately kill them. Well, Stamkos and Kucherov both had 7 points in 5 games, and point had 5. But they were minus players, with GAG Stammer a -5. The only Bolt worse was one-time Selke heir apparent Cirelli at -6. Sergachev managed -3 in just 2 games after the whole saviour game reaction. Hagel and Paul - their top scorers beyond that top three - were a combined -9. In other word, any narrative about how this team lost because they don't have the same depth as past year is garbage. Their top players scored, but they also got fed all series long. The Depth guys didn't exactly turn the tide, but this was a situation where their top players were dominated and they lost. Blaming depth is shifting blame off the stars, and I really despise that. Oh, and Vagisil was .890s% and 3.22 goals against. He's never been the same since his surgery.
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 30, 2024 19:15:37 GMT
Side note on the Bolts. Ever heard of Emil Lilleberg and Maxwell Crozier? They played 8 total games in this series, partly to cover the absences of Perbix and Sergachev. The 23 yr old Lilleberg played 37 games and finished -15. For all the love Sergachev gets, people forget he was this team's #3 LSD when he made his bones playing behind Hedman and McDonagh. He was -16 before he got injured. Matt Dumba played just 15:38 a night in the playoffs and was -2.
Remember all of this when Grz gets back in the lineup - if he ever does. The Bruins big three are all +3 in this series. Grz and Lohrei are even. Everyone else is a minus and Danny's love child Shatzy is getting exposed with no points and a -3 despite playing just 10:35 a night at ES. I mean, Toronto has 7 total goals. One was a PPG. So half of the Leafs' goals have been scored in the 42:20 when Shatzy's been on the ice - about 1/6th of the total and 1/12 of the TOI for defenseman on a per game basis. Oh, and Shatzy was on the PK when the Laffs scored their PPG.
Shatzy needs to sit. Wotherspoon and Lohrei have made a case to stay on the ice. I like the idea of Forbort coming in if he's ready. There's your six and no one needs to take their blood pressure meds. But I bet John Cooper wishes he had a Grz on the bench no matter what his faults are because the guys he had at his disposal were bad, and Grz would have been a major improvement.
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Post by 50belowzero on Apr 30, 2024 19:16:50 GMT
Bye bye Bolts, what i expected. I think the series result was predictable but I was surprised it wasn't closer. But then everything I expected about the series was topsy turvy. You looked at the Tampans, and if you thought they had a chance it was because Stamkos-Kucherov and Point would dominate, but then the lack of depth and defense would ultimately kill them. Well, Stamkos and Kucherov both had 7 points in 5 games, and point had 5. But they were minus players, with GAG Stammer a -5. The only Bolt worse was one-time Selke heir apparent Cirelli at -6. Sergachev managed -3 in just 2 games after the whole saviour game reaction. Hagel and Paul - their top scorers beyond that top three - were a combined -9. In other word, any narrative about how this team lost because they don't have the same depth as past year is garbage. Their top players scored, but they also got fed all series long. The Depth guys didn't exactly turn the tide, but this was a situation where their top players were dominated and they lost. Blaming depth is shifting blame off the stars, and I really despise that. Oh, and Vagisil was .890s% and 3.22 goals against. He's never been the same since his surgery. Yeah there's all that and the fact the Panthers are a very good team. Even if the Bolts were running on all cylinders there was a good chance they would lose and it wouldn't go the distance. Their only chance in my min was if the bad Bob showed up and he didn't , hasn't for awhile now.
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Post by alsamarraie on May 1, 2024 1:58:18 GMT
Leah Hextall really thought that haircut was a good idea…? Fuckin anime look. Pic?
My bad, didn’t get one. It was like a bowl cut in front.
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Post by alsamarraie on May 1, 2024 2:09:12 GMT
My bad, didn’t get one. It was like a bowl cut in front. Leah Hextall really thought that haircut was a good idea…? Fuckin anime look. Pic?
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Post by MrHulot on May 1, 2024 16:39:08 GMT
My bad, didn’t get one. It was like a bowl cut in front. Thank you, Al.
You're right, the haircut looks like crap. But the dog looks better than her anyway. Leah's definitely not a looker. She was probably trying to do something about her huge forehead.
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 2, 2024 0:06:46 GMT
Tonight looking like a high scoring game between the Stars-Knights. Goaltending has not been good at all.
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 2, 2024 2:13:47 GMT
Fuck you Vegas!
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Post by RichHillOntario on May 2, 2024 2:19:47 GMT
Apropos of nothing, I just had a glimpse of the world where "the Michigan" is normal. Saw a video of some kid in Russia who starts doing the Michigan behind the net, and when the goalie moves across to the side he expects the puck to go, the kid FLIPS THE PUCK OVER THE NET, comes out the other side, and bunts it into the yawning cage. All of this requires him to be wildly swinging his stick above the crossbar and more or less at face height. But it would be a legal play, and what made me think you should drink all the good booze now because the rapture is coming is that it's the logical counter once D start recognizing the Michigan and going hard to the post to cut it off. The ingenious bastard.
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Post by RichHillOntario on May 2, 2024 2:25:11 GMT
They're on the brink. Better catch Barry Manilow at the International Theatre at The Westgate Vegas for inspiration.
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 2, 2024 14:18:02 GMT
They're on the brink. Better catch Barry Manilow at the International Theatre at The Westgate Vegas for inspiration. But Bruce Johnson wrote "I write the songs", Barry!
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Post by 50belowzero on May 2, 2024 14:27:28 GMT
Reffing was horrible in the Oilers game but what else is new. Refs did what they could to get the Oil through to the next round and were successful, game management at work.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on May 2, 2024 19:00:35 GMT
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Post by 50belowzero on May 2, 2024 19:31:15 GMT
Huh.......WTF? He was playing his best hockey? He was in the zone? The only zone he is still in is the twilight zone, over 5. GAA, under 900% SP is his best hockey? I think Connor must still be in concussion protocol, no other explanation. There's a reason he's known as the two Hellebuyck's, there's regular season Connor and playoff Connor, polar opposites.
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Post by Fletcher on May 2, 2024 20:27:27 GMT
I'm certainly no Dallas fan, but I think the entire NHL fandom is ready to unite with those three words.
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