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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 13:33:25 GMT
I still think you can play a bruising style and have success. The ducks are a heavy team. The Nyi Caps series may be one of the most physical I have watched in a while. If you look at the islanders their 4th line was their best. Crowda indicated on another thread that our defence has to get more mobile. To counter small fast teams you need mobile puck moving defence. I don't see much out there we would want and we can't afford mike green. Mike Green and Gleason were a good tandem. I could see them signing together somewhere. Hello Edmonton. Trades ? Joe Morrow ? Zach Trotman ? Bruins management has to recognize the foot speed of the Bruins defence ( joining the rush ) is also part of the Bruins problems with an offense that is lacking. Other then Hamilton and Krug there was not much there.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 13:40:32 GMT
Chow I think morrow Hamilton should start the season together next year. I want seidz chara ice reduced and used as shut down. Krug with trotman is a nice mobile 3rd pairing. Miller as the 7th d. I am good with this grouping to start the year. im in agreement on your thoughts for our defence.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 13:47:10 GMT
Chow I think morrow Hamilton should start the season together next year. I want seidz chara ice reduced and used as shut down. Krug with trotman is a nice mobile 3rd pairing. Miller as the 7th d. I am good with this grouping to start the year. im in agreement on your thoughts for our defence. Keep posting Shupe. The forum is better if you do.
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Post by Fletcher on May 16, 2015 13:49:41 GMT
Chow I think morrow Hamilton should start the season together next year. I want seidz chara ice reduced and used as shut down. Krug with trotman is a nice mobile 3rd pairing. Miller as the 7th d. I am good with this grouping to start the year. im in agreement on your thoughts for our defence. I agree with this kind of thinking. Roll back the Chara minutes. We don't exactly have the horses, but I love the way Chicago has both a 'top-pairing' and a shutdown-pairing. We don't have Keith and Seabrook, but it would be interesting to have two parings at the top -- one for puck moving/transition and one that is more of a shutdown type. I wonder if Krug could develop into a Keith-lite. There are a few similarities.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 14:02:57 GMT
Chow- you mean this place needs a whipping boy. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? Fletch. I think you probably could throw all your eggs in one basket by using Krug with Dougie. I worry both like to roam and I think Morrow gives Dougie a nice steady presence. I think Krug is good. I think he's very important to the clubs future. I never had him in my core grouping but I do now. I was just scrolling through the ufa list. I'm not sure who I'd want. If MSL would take a pay cut I think he could be a nice option. His play in the playoffs has dropped off. Joel Ward is gonna getting a pay raise. Love his game though. I see someone over paying. Fehr made 1.5m. His contract likely doubles.
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Post by kelvana33 on May 16, 2015 14:04:52 GMT
Just read that scoring this playoffs is down compared to the last 3 years. Kel be honest. Am I truly wrong with my feeling about Rask when it comes to a short term/long term assessment? Do you not agree that Tuukka has allowed "bad goals" at bad times for a goalie that is considered by most "elite" & that other goalies have closed the gap on him? I'm not talking about a team getting better or worse here. I'm talking about a goalie that has the opportunity to show he actually is an elite by coming thru in clutch situations. We both play the position & we both know the difference when "we" have a great d & not, but we steal games & we also have played for teams that had the offense to bail us out when we weren't at our best. I don't know if you ever got paid to play, but I have & I'm not afraid to admit I had some great teams in front of me, but I fucked up & cost my team a series. But I also had some teams that I bailed out too. My 2nd yr of senior hockey the GM told me that he was paying me to stop the puck & not take penalties. I had 78 minutes that year 4th most on my team & 14 more in the 1st round. (Chico Resch's fault). I don't think your wrong Nite. I think it's warranted. He didn't have an elite year. I understand the injuries to the defense, lack of scoring up front, that does a play a role, but an elite goalie makes big saves at big times and hides a few of those holes. He let in too many goals that just took the air out of a game too many times this year for someone who is considered elite. The way I look at it, he started the year in the top 3, finished it in the top 10.
As for trading him, I'd deal anyone for the right deal. That said, when I look at the team on paper and see where improvement can be made, net would be last on the priority list. I think he bounces back, but if Edmonton called and offered Taylor Hall, I would do it, and sing a veteran netminder on the cheap.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 14:06:29 GMT
On another note. Canada world team crazy skilled up front. The open ice is fun to watch. Lots of chances.
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Post by goodnewsbears on May 16, 2015 14:58:56 GMT
Kel be honest. Am I truly wrong with my feeling about Rask when it comes to a short term/long term assessment? Do you not agree that Tuukka has allowed "bad goals" at bad times for a goalie that is considered by most "elite" & that other goalies have closed the gap on him? I'm not talking about a team getting better or worse here. I'm talking about a goalie that has the opportunity to show he actually is an elite by coming thru in clutch situations. We both play the position & we both know the difference when "we" have a great d & not, but we steal games & we also have played for teams that had the offense to bail us out when we weren't at our best. I don't know if you ever got paid to play, but I have & I'm not afraid to admit I had some great teams in front of me, but I fucked up & cost my team a series. But I also had some teams that I bailed out too. My 2nd yr of senior hockey the GM told me that he was paying me to stop the puck & not take penalties. I had 78 minutes that year 4th most on my team & 14 more in the 1st round. (Chico Resch's fault). I don't think your wrong Nite. I think it's warranted. He didn't have an elite year. I understand the injuries to the defense, lack of scoring up front, that does a play a role, but an elite goalie makes big saves at big times and hides a few of those holes. He let in too many goals that just took the air out of a game too many times this year for someone who is considered elite. The way I look at it, he started the year in the top 3, finished it in the top 10.
As for trading him, I'd deal anyone for the right deal. That said, when I look at the team on paper and see where improvement can be made, net would be last on the priority list. I think he bounces back, but if Edmonton called and offered Taylor Hall, I would do it, and sing a veteran netminder on the cheap.
I'd be afraid the B's would become the Flyers if they'd trade Rask.
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Post by bookboy007 on May 16, 2015 16:18:13 GMT
Chow I think morrow Hamilton should start the season together next year. I want seidz chara ice reduced and used as shut down. Krug with trotman is a nice mobile 3rd pairing. Miller as the 7th d. I am good with this grouping to start the year. im in agreement on your thoughts for our defence. Keep posting Shupe. The forum is better if you do. Get a room.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on May 16, 2015 16:21:44 GMT
I don't think your wrong Nite. I think it's warranted. He didn't have an elite year. I understand the injuries to the defense, lack of scoring up front, that does a play a role, but an elite goalie makes big saves at big times and hides a few of those holes. He let in too many goals that just took the air out of a game too many times this year for someone who is considered elite. The way I look at it, he started the year in the top 3, finished it in the top 10.
As for trading him, I'd deal anyone for the right deal. That said, when I look at the team on paper and see where improvement can be made, net would be last on the priority list. I think he bounces back, but if Edmonton called and offered Taylor Hall, I would do it, and sing a veteran netminder on the cheap.
I'd be afraid the B's would become the Flyers if they'd trade Rask. Yep
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Post by kelvana33 on May 16, 2015 16:50:20 GMT
I'd be afraid the B's would become the Flyers if they'd trade Rask. Yep Subban is better than any goalie the Flyers have thrown out there for quite some time. If the B's were to trade Rask for Hall and Scrivens, I think they'd be better off than the Flyers.
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Post by bookboy007 on May 16, 2015 16:53:07 GMT
The pairing question is interesting. I think there's something worth thinking about in the way the Keith/Seabrook tandem work, and Methot/Karlsson. It seems to work best when your best Offensive D plays with a guy who has offensive instincts and skills, but plays a more conventional game.
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Post by Fletcher on May 16, 2015 16:56:13 GMT
I'd be afraid the B's would become the Flyers if they'd trade Rask. Yeah, this is actually exactly what I think about. The fear that an otherwise good/very good team would desperately struggle to find reliable goaltending through two decades of falling painfully short, with that as an Achilles heal. Unless we're going full blown rebuild, I think you stick with the Vezina winning goalie who has historically good numbers. To paraphrase Boobboy, 'he can't win it all'...until he does.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 16:56:58 GMT
Neither Philly or Boston made the playoffs.
Build an awesome defence and you will have success.
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Post by dezaruchi on May 16, 2015 17:01:38 GMT
Neither Philly or Boston made the playoffs. Build an awesome defence and you will have success.
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Post by goodnewsbears on May 16, 2015 17:37:29 GMT
Neither Philly or Boston made the playoffs. Build an awesome defence and you will have success. The Bruins make the playoffs next year with the players they have now. The Flyers don't make the playoffs next year without changes.
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Post by dezaruchi on May 16, 2015 17:42:37 GMT
Neither Philly or Boston made the playoffs. Build an awesome defence and you will have success. The Bruins make the playoffs next year with the players they have now. The Flyers don't make the playoffs next year without changes.
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Post by dezaruchi on May 16, 2015 17:43:35 GMT
Having troubles replying to posts on this thread. Anyone else experiencing any issues?
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Post by dezaruchi on May 16, 2015 17:46:32 GMT
Good point made by GNB. Makes perfect sense.
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Post by MrHulot on May 16, 2015 17:51:59 GMT
Neither Philly or Boston made the playoffs. Build an awesome defence and you will have success. The Bruins make the playoffs next year with the players they have now. The Flyers don't make the playoffs next year without changes. If you really want to trade Rask, I would trade him to Philly for Simmonds, Mason and maybe a draft pick on top. I think Mason could shine in CJ's system.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 18:09:49 GMT
Dez, I don't think either team makes it without change. Philly came on very strong at the end. I'm very interested in who will coach them next year. Philly has plenty of fwds to make a deal to upgrade their defence. Philly didn't make the playoffs because their defence stinks. Wonder if they try to pry weber out of Nashville. My offer. Schenn brothers and Simmonds.
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Post by goodnewsbears on May 16, 2015 18:36:07 GMT
Having troubles replying to posts on this thread. Anyone else experiencing any issues? Nope, maybe too much smoke between your eyes and the computer screen?
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Post by dezaruchi on May 16, 2015 19:11:50 GMT
Having troubles replying to posts on this thread. Anyone else experiencing any issues? Nope, maybe too much smoke between your eyes and the computer screen?
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Post by RichHillOntario on May 16, 2015 22:13:59 GMT
So who's correct here? Is it Neely who said he thought the Bruins strayed from their identity which I interpreted to mean a more robust, burly form of hockey or Chiarelli's assertion two years ago of the league deviating from Thornton/enforcer types? As much as I love Cam's way of thinking. I have to admit that this season was the Capitals 3rd way of trying a style that didn't help them. As much as I loved their new game & style with Trotz there's still something missing. Their goaltending was top notch, they had one of the best players on the planet playing like one of the best players & their d actually blocked more shots then one of the best shot blocking teams in the past 3 seasons. So, is this why the B's are waiting to see who the next GM will be? Are they waiting to see what the next trend is? I know Neely will refuse to lose the B's identity completely. I think he'll quit before he allows the team to go the T-Bay route. I doubt anyone was surprised at Neely's view of the Bruins' lack of being who he thinks they should be - especially considering how he played. I'm sure there were nights Neely was guzzling Pepto Bismal because of what he saw. I'd love for their lineup to be infused with more players who consistently take the body. Not goons but say, Lance Bouma-types. Guys who consistently finish their checks in all areas of the ice. If Neely has anything to do with it and he does, we'll see some players added who will demonstrate the kind of physicality he thinks the Bruins need in order to be successful.
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Post by RichHillOntario on May 16, 2015 22:40:15 GMT
As much as I love Cam's way of thinking. I have to admit that this season was the Capitals 3rd way of trying a style that didn't help them. As much as I loved their new game & style with Trotz there's still something missing. Their goaltending was top notch, they had one of the best players on the planet playing like one of the best players & their d actually blocked more shots then one of the best shot blocking teams in the past 3 seasons. So, is this why the B's are waiting to see who the next GM will be? Are they waiting to see what the next trend is? I know Neely will refuse to lose the B's identity completely. I think he'll quit before he allows the team to go the T-Bay route. I really thought the Caps finally had the team to do it as well,and they came about 85 seconds from advancing,and the rest is history. I still think they have the team and style to win and wouldn't mind at all if the B's beefed up a bit and played that way. The Caps weren't slow,they were fast ,physical and had offensive players mixed in with their bangers,there D had a nice mix as well. Holtby matched Henry save for save until the last one,it could have went either way. I'm excited to see what the new GM (Sweeney) does with the team,and what additions and subtractions he makes. I'll also be interested in seeing how the incoming GM assesses what the Bruins need, 50. I loved hearing Neely say the club veered from their identity. To me that signalled what I hope will be a return to the more rough 'n ready, bruising form I enjoy the Bruins to be. I wondered who had the more accurate feel for what more teams in the league were aiming for in shaping their rosters? Was it PC who saw the tendency and movement in clubs being away from the previous prevailing ideology of designated tough guys towards more puck possession or Neely who'd like his Bruins to return to a more aggressive team which they often were not this year. Adding more of the consistently physical types would suit me fine as a fan of this team. Besides, it's not like the new GM, in sync with Neely will miss the boat on their vision of the Bruins like Bob Clarke did years ago when as the Flyers' general manager, he signed the hulking, plodding duo of Mike Rathje and Darien Hatcher to big money deals only to realize his misreading of the rest of the rest of the NHL as opposition forwards consistently flew around them.
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