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Post by dannycater on Jan 28, 2021 17:40:06 GMT
I stated DK had a bad game, but he always does something that impresses me about his hockey IQ...The one time the officials gave the B's an advantage was the trip on Marchand entering the zone. The puck goes to DK, he sees the hand go up...most guys think oh we got control let's set up...nope, he as fast as possible shot puck right into the Pens d guys skate...5 on 3...Then if you recall it's later in the 5 on 3 that they score when he settles puck to enter zone allowing for the Marchie to Ritchie layup. Then of course he doesn't pull a Malkin at the end, he just makes a good flat pass to allow Smith to shoot without a hiccup. Bad game for DK, but his IQ is off the charts. Not his best, but that line hasn't really had a lot of time to develop chemistry and I think that's more what I saw yesterday - especially with the juggling that was necessary after JD went down. Studnicka played the third fewest minutes behind Freddy and the injured JD, so the line wasn't really there and I would be hard pressed to tell you who he played with the most at ES after that. There are no analytics that show a guy creating a goal as the first passer or making a play into the zone to help set up a goal on a PP. It's always pass, pass, goal. or pass, shot, tip, goal...so all you see are the points that go to the direct last 3 of a goal. The other 2 guys on a PP who may have had more to do with a goal starting or helped in creating it don't get credit for anything really. I'd love to see stats related to not just even strength plus-minus but how often players are on the ice for PP goals that don't result in a player receiving a point on the PP. Or is there?
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 28, 2021 18:00:57 GMT
Studs is young, i think he will get it though, hit the weight room and watch more game tape. Bjork has the wheels and does work hard but thats about all i see so far. It seems his seeming once promising offensive skill has regressed to zilch. I realize he is on the 4th line but he earned it and has done nothing when given a chance on other lines. I know we just have to be patient but I am really curious what Studs is going to be. He stepped right in and looked so good in the playoffs in a small sample size but then this year he has barely been noticable playing with two of the greatest hockey players on earth. It's a little strange. He hasn't played with Bergeron and Marchand since game one. He's played about 11 minutes of ES TOI most games, so while yeah, you were hoping for more from him, but you temper the expectations when you see how he's been used. I'm more pleased that he's hung on to his PK responsibiilities than that he doesn't have more points, especially when teh entire team couldn't buy one for the first three games. I have mixed feelings about tonight's lineup and Studnicka. On the one hand, I don't mind Cassidy loading up the top two lines with Smith at RW1 and Coyle at RW2 with Ritchie and Krejci. I'm very curious about that second line - closest thing to Lucic and Horton Krejci has had since 2013. Cassidy has Studnicka at wing on the third line with Frederic on the other side...and Lindholm at C. So...good...I like that he's still in the mix, and I also like putting the two rooks together...but why Lindholm?? And I would have liked to see this as an opportunity for Cassidy to put Studnicka on the dot, at least to start. I would have gone with: Kuraly-Studnicka-Frederic Bjork-Lindholm-Wagner.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 28, 2021 18:10:43 GMT
Not his best, but that line hasn't really had a lot of time to develop chemistry and I think that's more what I saw yesterday - especially with the juggling that was necessary after JD went down. Studnicka played the third fewest minutes behind Freddy and the injured JD, so the line wasn't really there and I would be hard pressed to tell you who he played with the most at ES after that. There are no analytics that show a guy creating a goal as the first passer or making a play into the zone to help set up a goal on a PP. It's always pass, pass, goal. or pass, shot, tip, goal...so all you see are the points that go to the direct last 3 of a goal. The other 2 guys on a PP who may have had more to do with a goal starting or helped in creating it don't get credit for anything really. I'd love to see stats related to not just even strength plus-minus but how often players are on the ice for PP goals that don't result in a player receiving a point on the PP. Or is there? I'm sure there's something like "PP goal shares" somewhere out there. You couldn't just say who's on the ice, though. You'd want to at least try to capture causality of the player's presence. Like unbroken possession touches - so if you start a three on one with a great pass and the three guys pass it around before scoring, you get some kind of recognition. Or if you make a dazzling rush to gain the zone that allows your guys to set up and puts the PK in chaos, and your team passes it around for 35 seconds but never to you again, then scores - then you get a + on that stat. Except how often would you want the forechecker on a dump in who eliminates teh defenseman with a big hit but never touches the puck to get the same recognition? The net-front guy who took away the goalies eyes? Puck goes through a crowd and goes in off the D rather than the forward...no point. Goes off the foward, goal. Difference in the play made by the player? Zilch. I think you have to cobble things together in the end, and maybe that's the methodology whoever is doing PP goal shares would use. Were you on the ice when your team scored a PPG? And then you look at other things we know they track like zone entries and breakout passes - something we know is a secondary cause of a goal because it creates clean possession in the attacking zone. Retrieval? So were you the last player credited with a retrieval of a loose puck before your team scored. That kind of thing. Then you'd have a goal share that would be something like: (goals+assists+entries+retrievals+(whatever other trackable contribution to the goal))/team PPG.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 28, 2021 18:45:59 GMT
Craig Smith: 2g + 2A = 4pts in 5 GP, +3, all points at even strength. The guy has been exactly what the team was missing last year, depth even strength scoring. No one should be lamenting Mike Hoffman, or anyone else. The Hoff is also 1-1-2 and -1. I've been saying for what, three years now? He's a guy who will get 30 goals on a team that doesn't win, but he's a challenge for a team that plays the right way to win. StL under Berube is not a fit. Boston would not be a fit. He should have signed in Quackerland.
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Post by dannycater on Jan 28, 2021 18:53:46 GMT
better than the Hoff(a) at Meadowlands
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Post by The OC on Jan 28, 2021 19:11:57 GMT
Craig Smith: 2g + 2A = 4pts in 5 GP, +3, all points at even strength. The guy has been exactly what the team was missing last year, depth even strength scoring. No one should be lamenting Mike Hoffman, or anyone else. The Hoff is also 1-1-2 and -1. I've been saying for what, three years now? He's a guy who will get 30 goals on a team that doesn't win, but he's a challenge for a team that plays the right way to win. StL under Berube is not a fit. Boston would not be a fit. He should have signed in Quackerland. He also gets a huge chunk of PPpoints. So adding him to Boston doesn't "add 30g". ESP is so important when looking at how to improve the current Boston roster, with high-end talent locked into PP roles.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 28, 2021 19:41:29 GMT
The Hoff is also 1-1-2 and -1. I've been saying for what, three years now? He's a guy who will get 30 goals on a team that doesn't win, but he's a challenge for a team that plays the right way to win. StL under Berube is not a fit. Boston would not be a fit. He should have signed in Quackerland. He also gets a huge chunk of PPpoints. So adding him to Boston doesn't "add 30g". ESP is so important when looking at how to improve the current Boston roster, with high-end talent locked into PP roles. Agreed. That's often the lion's share of what I don't like about the usual calls for the Bruins to acquire high scoring player X from lousy team Y. Guy plays 19 minutes a night on a bad team including 3:45 of PPTOI, and still is only a 26 goal, 44 point player. What's that translate to when he has to play behind the BLiH, and likely play on a line that's expected to be part checking line and part scoring line?
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Post by drewski6 on Jan 28, 2021 21:32:02 GMT
He also gets a huge chunk of PPpoints. So adding him to Boston doesn't "add 30g". ESP is so important when looking at how to improve the current Boston roster, with high-end talent locked into PP roles. Agreed. That's often the lion's share of what I don't like about the usual calls for the Bruins to acquire high scoring player X from lousy team Y. Guy plays 19 minutes a night on a bad team including 3:45 of PPTOI, and still is only a 26 goal, 44 point player. What's that translate to when he has to play behind the BLiH, and likely play on a line that's expected to be part checking line and part scoring line? Less? Or were you not actually asking?
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 29, 2021 14:36:09 GMT
Gryz hurt again, having a tough go of it early on it seems, hopefully not a season long thing.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 29, 2021 16:58:30 GMT
Even better
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 29, 2021 19:14:23 GMT
Pasta's got some Qui-Gon Jinn going on, all the better to mind trick the Caps!!
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Post by shuperman on Jan 29, 2021 19:29:41 GMT
Craig Smith: 2g + 2A = 4pts in 5 GP, +3, all points at even strength. The guy has been exactly what the team was missing last year, depth even strength scoring. No one should be lamenting Mike Hoffman, or anyone else. Smith is a nice bottom 6. The team has needed a pure scorer for a while to take pressure off. The season is long and the team is playing well. We also went many periods without an even strength goal.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 29, 2021 20:05:34 GMT
Craig Smith: 2g + 2A = 4pts in 5 GP, +3, all points at even strength. The guy has been exactly what the team was missing last year, depth even strength scoring. No one should be lamenting Mike Hoffman, or anyone else. Smith is a nice bottom 6. The team has needed a pure scorer for a while to take pressure off. The season is long and the team is playing well. We also went many periods without an even strength goal. Gotta agree here. As much as I am happy with the ways are going id still like to see Krejci get a RW. Not totally giving up on Kase yet, plus he has a manageable contract, Bjork + DeBrusk + pick bring in a sniping RW. Think some teams will start dumping salary in short order fairly soon.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 29, 2021 20:06:06 GMT
Craig Smith: 2g + 2A = 4pts in 5 GP, +3, all points at even strength. The guy has been exactly what the team was missing last year, depth even strength scoring. No one should be lamenting Mike Hoffman, or anyone else. Smith is a nice bottom 6. The team has needed a pure scorer for a while to take pressure off. The season is long and the team is playing well. We also went many periods without an even strength goal. I think the b's lead the east division in gl differential, no prob 5 v 5 now. With no preseason it does take awhile for things to click.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 29, 2021 20:07:00 GMT
Smith is a nice bottom 6. The team has needed a pure scorer for a while to take pressure off. The season is long and the team is playing well. We also went many periods without an even strength goal. Gotta agree here. As much as I am happy with the ways are going id still like to see Krejci get a RW. Not totally giving up on Kase yet, plus he has a manageable contract, Bjork + DeBrusk + pick bring in a sniping RW. Think some teams will start dumping salary in short order fairly soon. Palmieri for Bjork + pick.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 29, 2021 20:09:34 GMT
Gotta agree here. As much as I am happy with the ways are going id still like to see Krejci get a RW. Not totally giving up on Kase yet, plus he has a manageable contract, Bjork + DeBrusk + pick bring in a sniping RW. Think some teams will start dumping salary in short order fairly soon. Palmieri for Bjork + pick. Fuck yah but think he will take more.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 29, 2021 20:16:44 GMT
Palmieri for Bjork + pick. Fuck yah but think he will take more. He's 0-3-3 through 7 games despite the Devils having a pretty good start to year. He was last year's binkie because it seemed like he might be available. Time to move on.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 29, 2021 20:20:52 GMT
Fuck yah but think he will take more. He's 0-3-3 through 7 games despite the Devils having a pretty good start to year. He was last year's binkie because it seemed like he might be available. Time to move on. You move on get the italian de futbol. Perfect for the playoffs.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 29, 2021 20:38:16 GMT
Fuck yah but think he will take more. He's 0-3-3 through 7 games despite the Devils having a pretty good start to year. He was last year's binkie because it seemed like he might be available. Time to move on. He's in the last yr of his deal, i can see him being on the block again for sure.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 29, 2021 22:58:40 GMT
He's 0-3-3 through 7 games despite the Devils having a pretty good start to year. He was last year's binkie because it seemed like he might be available. Time to move on. He's in the last yr of his deal, i can see him being on the block again for sure. I wonder. The Devils seem a lot closer to relevant this year than they did last year. Blackwood has turned into a legit tender, and they were keeping pace in teh division before he missed some games. Hughes needs help. Not sure when Hischier is expected back but I wonder if they're not close enough to be looking to add rather than subtract. Michael McCleod, their beanpole former #12 overall pick, isn't going to displace either Hughes or Hischier at C, and Pavel Zacha has been slowly improving. Either of those guys might be a good start for a deal to bring them some top 6 wing help or some more dynamic offense from the blueline to go with Ty Smith. At some point, they have to stop stripping the branches and see what they have around two #1 overall Cs, and it seems that the arrival of a young hotshot PMD and a viable starter in net is as good a time as any to shift gears.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 29, 2021 23:35:53 GMT
He's in the last yr of his deal, i can see him being on the block again for sure. I wonder. The Devils seem a lot closer to relevant this year than they did last year. Blackwood has turned into a legit tender, and they were keeping pace in teh division before he missed some games. Hughes needs help. Not sure when Hischier is expected back but I wonder if they're not close enough to be looking to add rather than subtract. Michael McCleod, their beanpole former #12 overall pick, isn't going to displace either Hughes or Hischier at C, and Pavel Zacha has been slowly improving. Either of those guys might be a good start for a deal to bring them some top 6 wing help or some more dynamic offense from the blueline to go with Ty Smith. At some point, they have to stop stripping the branches and see what they have around two #1 overall Cs, and it seems that the arrival of a young hotshot PMD and a viable starter in net is as good a time as any to shift gears. No doubt they are better and their glut of high draft picks are starting to come around for sure. It could be a case of wait and see where they are at the trade deadline and go from there. I have my doubts that they will be in playoff contention but who knows, its not like the Pens, Rags, Sabres or Isles have been red hot either. I haven't read at all that the Devils were looking at signing Palmieri to an extension, he just might want to go to UFA and see what he can get.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 31, 2021 14:25:52 GMT
Think Cassidy will keep playing him though.
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Post by schlich on Jan 31, 2021 14:45:17 GMT
Agreed. That's often the lion's share of what I don't like about the usual calls for the Bruins to acquire high scoring player X from lousy team Y. Guy plays 19 minutes a night on a bad team including 3:45 of PPTOI, and still is only a 26 goal, 44 point player. What's that translate to when he has to play behind the BLiH, and likely play on a line that's expected to be part checking line and part scoring line? Less? Or were you not actually asking? youtu.be/nWN7POyT1wkmy favorite simpsons scene.
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Post by dannycater on Jan 31, 2021 15:19:36 GMT
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Post by dannycater on Jan 31, 2021 18:04:21 GMT
Guys on the upswing: Ritchie, McAvoy, Bjork, Zboril, Marchand, Bergeron, Miller, Halak, Frederic, Wagner, Kuraly Guys on the down: Studs Guy who was on up, but heading toward down with all likelihood will be back up next start: Rask Guy who needs to step up period: Coyle Steady guys but can be better: DK, Smith, Lauzon, Carlo (less minutes than the other 5 d v. Caps...say what??) Guys who will need to step up once healthy: Pasta, Kase, DeBrusk Guy who needs to get healthy: Gryz Not enough information to evaluate: Kuhlman, Lindholm, Clifton
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