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Post by stevegm on Nov 6, 2022 2:19:52 GMT
Wow. Just wow. I don't profess to be super knowledgeable on the background to this story, but do you need to be? My impression is that most or all of the players were against this. The analysis ends right there for me. "They" say everyone deserves a second chance. Do they really? There's a difference between forgiving and forgetting. Assuming arguendo the saying is true, they don't necessarily deserve their second chance with the Boston Bruins. Especially when the club is on the greatest opening season tear in the history of the very old, Original Six franchise. Jesus Christ, their best defenseman hasn't even hit the ice yet, but he's about to. The only way this works out is if this kid wins a couple of Cups, a couple of Norisses, a Conn Smythe or two, maybe a Hart AND, most importantly, multiple Humanitarian of the Year awards. Furthermore, if Bergy is in take-it-one-year-at-a-time mode,why would he come back when management seems hell-bent on ruining what he's been building since he was not much older than this kid at the time of his offenses? I know we love Z; Bergy has been here longer. If I were the Bruins biggest rival, I would now sign this kid's victim to an honorary contract, give him season's tix, and have him drop the puck every time the Bs come to town. Why do this now? Why? Having said all that, I do love the kid's two Christmas albums. "Some"..disagree with the bold. I do. Folks, especially kids, imo, deserve a second chance if they work their ass off for one...if they own their stupidity...ask for forgivness...and prove their mettle beyond any reasonable doubt. If they don't do, "all" of that...fek em. The problem is not, giving people a second chance, with severe consequences if they blow it....the problem is the forgive and forget crowd. Our morality is so fucked up right now.
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Post by bookboy007 on Nov 6, 2022 3:01:15 GMT
Wow. Just wow. I don't profess to be super knowledgeable on the background to this story, but do you need to be? My impression is that most or all of the players were against this. The analysis ends right there for me. "They" say everyone deserves a second chance. Do they really? There's a difference between forgiving and forgetting. Assuming arguendo the saying is true, they don't necessarily deserve their second chance with the Boston Bruins. Especially when the club is on the greatest opening season tear in the history of the very old, Original Six franchise. Jesus Christ, their best defenseman hasn't even hit the ice yet, but he's about to. The only way this works out is if this kid wins a couple of Cups, a couple of Norisses, a Conn Smythe or two, maybe a Hart AND, most importantly, multiple Humanitarian of the Year awards. Furthermore, if Bergy is in take-it-one-year-at-a-time mode,why would he come back when management seems hell-bent on ruining what he's been building since he was not much older than this kid at the time of his offenses? I know we love Z; Bergy has been here longer. If I were the Bruins biggest rival, I would now sign this kid's victim to an honorary contract, give him season's tix, and have him drop the puck every time the Bs come to town. Why do this now? Why? Having said all that, I do love the kid's two Christmas albums. "Some"..disagree with the bold. I do. Folks, especially kids, imo, deserve a second chance if they work their ass off for one...if they own their stupidity...ask for forgivness...and prove their mettle beyond any reasonable doubt. If they don't do, "all" of that...fek em. The problem is not, giving people a second chance, with severe consequences if they blow it....the problem is the forgive and forget crowd. Our morality is so fucked up right now. It’s no different than a fourth line roster spot. Earn it
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Post by sandogbrewin on Nov 6, 2022 11:58:39 GMT
"Is anyone actually surprised?" As I said after the Canes playoff loss...Fire Sweeney into the Sun!!! I don’t get the sense this is on Sweeney. This is fishy with a capital fish. Not on Sweeney ? As in the people who Don reports to told him to sign Miller ? There's only 3 people Sweeney reports too. Unless you think this is a favor to a scout or an agent etc. ?
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Post by wayne on Nov 6, 2022 12:06:33 GMT
I don’t get the sense this is on Sweeney. This is fishy with a capital fish. Not on Sweeney ? As in the people who Don reports to told him to sign Miller ? There's only 3 people Sweeney reports too. Unless you think this is a favor to a scout or an agent etc. ? I agree with book theres more going on here. 3 people? Cam, Charlie, ?
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Nov 6, 2022 12:52:45 GMT
Not on Sweeney ? As in the people who Don reports to told him to sign Miller ? There's only 3 people Sweeney reports too. Unless you think this is a favor to a scout or an agent etc. ? I agree with book theres more going on here. 3 people? Cam, Charlie, ? IMO, the only thing going on here is Donnie signing a talented kid with a past after getting the Jacobs’ blessing…. Nothing more…. Now what remains to be seen is if B’S management and ownership sticks to its conviction that this kid deserves a shot or caves in to public sentiment…. I hope they choose the former….
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Post by kelvana33 on Nov 6, 2022 14:05:57 GMT
Wow. Just wow. I don't profess to be super knowledgeable on the background to this story, but do you need to be? My impression is that most or all of the players were against this. The analysis ends right there for me. "They" say everyone deserves a second chance. Do they really? There's a difference between forgiving and forgetting. Assuming arguendo the saying is true, they don't necessarily deserve their second chance with the Boston Bruins. Especially when the club is on the greatest opening season tear in the history of the very old, Original Six franchise. Jesus Christ, their best defenseman hasn't even hit the ice yet, but he's about to. The only way this works out is if this kid wins a couple of Cups, a couple of Norisses, a Conn Smythe or two, maybe a Hart AND, most importantly, multiple Humanitarian of the Year awards. Furthermore, if Bergy is in take-it-one-year-at-a-time mode,why would he come back when management seems hell-bent on ruining what he's been building since he was not much older than this kid at the time of his offenses? I know we love Z; Bergy has been here longer. If I were the Bruins biggest rival, I would now sign this kid's victim to an honorary contract, give him season's tix, and have him drop the puck every time the Bs come to town. Why do this now? Why? Having said all that, I do love the kid's two Christmas albums. "Some"..disagree with the bold. I do. Folks, especially kids, imo, deserve a second chance if they work their ass off for one...if they own their stupidity...ask for forgivness...and prove their mettle beyond any reasonable doubt. If they don't do, "all" of that...fek em. The problem is not, giving people a second chance, with severe consequences if they blow it....the problem is the forgive and forget crowd. Our morality is so fucked up right now. I’m all for a second chance in this instance, and only because he was 14 or so when he did it. But, the more I read up on it, he’s not really showing much remorse for his actions. I’m getting the impression he’s an entitled throbbing penis, but I’m still looking into it.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Nov 6, 2022 14:29:25 GMT
Not on Sweeney ? As in the people who Don reports to told him to sign Miller ? There's only 3 people Sweeney reports too. Unless you think this is a favor to a scout or an agent etc. ? I agree with book theres more going on here. 3 people? Cam, Charlie, ? Charlie ? He looks at sales and attendance spreadsheets then reports back to DADa. I find it hard to believe Junior would have anything to do with Miller. Why would either ? They both are right up the road from me in Wellington riding horses 🐎.
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Post by bobruins on Nov 6, 2022 14:32:03 GMT
This is totaly screwed.....worst individuals can become judges.....doctors....even president of the USA....but this stoopid kid cant play ever in the NHL......
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Post by wayne on Nov 6, 2022 14:32:46 GMT
I agree with book theres more going on here. 3 people? Cam, Charlie, ? Charlie ? He looks at sales and attendance spreadsheets then reports back to DADa. I find it hard to believe Junior would have anything to do with Miller. Why would either ? They both are right up the road from me in Wellington riding horses 🐎. so who are the three?
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Post by sandogbrewin on Nov 6, 2022 14:39:02 GMT
I agree with book theres more going on here. 3 people? Cam, Charlie, ? IMO, the only thing going on here is Donnie signing a talented kid with a past after getting the Jacobs’ blessing…. Nothing more….Now what remains to be seen is if B’S management and ownership sticks to its conviction that this kid deserves a shot or caves in to public sentiment….I hope they choose the former…. I’d have to double check Sweeneys cowardly zoom meeting. Did Don mention the Jacobs blessing ? That would make this decision even weirder. Consult with the Jacobs not the league. Since when does a GM consult an owner on AHL signings ? Knowing how Mr. Burns works he would more than likely tell Don, “why are you bothering me. I pay Neely good money to consult on these matters”. Conviction ? Ownership has one thing in mind ROI. Nothing else matters Jacobs is a businessman.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Nov 6, 2022 14:40:03 GMT
Charlie ? He looks at sales and attendance spreadsheets then reports back to DADa. I find it hard to believe Junior would have anything to do with Miller. Why would either ? They both are right up the road from me in Wellington riding horses 🐎. so who are the three? Cam, Charlie Jacobs and Jeremy Jacobs.
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Post by 50belowzero on Nov 6, 2022 14:40:19 GMT
I just hope this whole affair & show of incompetence doesn't derail the team. I doubt it they're professionals who want to win. This is another in a list of controversies that happen and usually fade away with the odd update as we go along, Montreal's drafting of Logan Mailloux a couple years ago, it was so bad even the Canadian Prime Minister commented on it, now you never hear of him other maybe if he signed a contract or whatever. This will be the same imo.
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Post by 50belowzero on Nov 6, 2022 14:42:35 GMT
Just read that the President of the AHL can refuse to admit Miller into the league. Not allow admittance of a player because they are suspended in another league. He got to play in the USHL no problem , i imagine he will be able to play, we'll see what happens.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Nov 6, 2022 14:52:38 GMT
Just read that the President of the AHL can refuse to admit Miller into the league. Not allow admittance of a player because they are suspended in another league. He got to play in the USHL no problem , i imagine he will be able to play, we'll see what happens. Tell Scott who wrote the Instagram post.
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Post by 50belowzero on Nov 6, 2022 14:57:55 GMT
He got to play in the USHL no problem , i imagine he will be able to play, we'll see what happens. Tell Scott who wrote the Instagram post. Sounds like Bettman wrote his statement. Like i said time will tell.
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Post by mdsizzle on Nov 6, 2022 15:11:23 GMT
The more I read about this the more I think this was a horrible idea... Regardless of the debate about second chances etc, and the more I read about what had happened the more diabolical it sounds... But the B's just don't need this type of media circus right now... Or ever.
If the kid turns out to be the second coming of Bobby Orr and goes above and beyond to reconcile to the victim and family to show true remorse and donates Subban-like amounts to charity... Then maybe... But right now a canned apology tweet doesn't mean Jack or shit. Donny already initiated the circus. Strong work.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Nov 6, 2022 15:27:04 GMT
IMO, the only thing going on here is Donnie signing a talented kid with a past after getting the Jacobs’ blessing…. Nothing more….Now what remains to be seen is if B’S management and ownership sticks to its conviction that this kid deserves a shot or caves in to public sentiment….I hope they choose the former…. I’d have to double check Sweeneys cowardly zoom meeting. Did Don mention the Jacobs blessing ? That would make this decision even weirder. Consult with the Jacobs not the league. Since when does a GM consult an owner on AHL signings ? Knowing how Mr. Burns works he would more than likely tell Don, “why are you bothering me. I pay Neely good money to consult on these matters”. Conviction ? Ownership has one thing in mind ROI. Nothing else matters Jacobs is a businessman. Why would Donnie consult ownership?…. Maybe because this signing is a bit different…. And it goes without saying that a signing this controversial would have to be given the go ahead by the guy at the top or a family member given the power of attorney…. Like you said, Jacobs’ a businessman and the B’S are part of that business….
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Nov 6, 2022 15:32:17 GMT
Tell Scott who wrote the Instagram post. Sounds like Bettman wrote his statement. Like i said time will tell. Did the USHL know he was playing in their league?
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Post by fifthline on Nov 6, 2022 15:33:38 GMT
Ultimately, this is a market based reality. Morality in N America, thankfully, is generally worked out in market based decisions and persuasive dialogue - we don’t live in a theocracy. What Miller did as a youth and teenager has nothing to do with wokeness - he was a complete piece of shit, that’s objective. Indeed, I would argue that the folks who are singing, “ all we are saying is give Mitch a chance’” sound woke. But all that aside, Sweeney and Neely took a swing on this young man and now we’ll see how it plays out. Lastly, my first thought on this whole thing was from There’s Something About Mary. Pat Healy is trying to get on Mary’s good side, so he explains to her that his (made up to impress Mary) job as a famous architect is just a job, but “My real passion is my hobby…I work with retards…” Hey Mitch tell us about your passion.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Nov 6, 2022 16:25:29 GMT
Ultimately, this is a market based reality. Morality in N America, thankfully, is generally worked out in market based decisions and persuasive dialogue - we don’t live in a theocracy. What Miller did as a youth and teenager has nothing to do with wokeness - he was a complete piece of shit, that’s objective. Indeed, I would argue that the folks who are singing, “ all we are saying is give Mitch a chance’” sound woke. But all that aside, Sweeney and Neely took a swing on this young man and now we’ll see how it plays out. Lastly, my first thought on this whole thing was from There’s Something About Mary. Pat Healy is trying to get on Mary’s good side, so he explains to her that his (made up to impress Mary) job as a famous architect is just a job, but “My real passion is my hobby…I work with retards…” Hey Mitch tell us about your passion. If anything thinks this has to do with corporate media made up "wokeness" should stop commenting. Sweeney wants his talent. The timing is more comical Cam and Don decision making.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Nov 6, 2022 16:26:47 GMT
Ultimately, this is a market based reality. Morality in N America, thankfully, is generally worked out in market based decisions and persuasive dialogue - we don’t live in a theocracy. What Miller did as a youth and teenager has nothing to do with wokeness - he was a complete piece of shit, that’s objective. Indeed, I would argue that the folks who are singing, “ all we are saying is give Mitch a chance’” sound woke. But all that aside, Sweeney and Neely took a swing on this young man and now we’ll see how it plays out. Lastly, my first thought on this whole thing was from There’s Something About Mary. Pat Healy is trying to get on Mary’s good side, so he explains to her that his (made up to impress Mary) job as a famous architect is just a job, but “My real passion is my hobby…I work with retards…” Hey Mitch tell us about your passion. Brett Favre was great in that movie!
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Post by 50belowzero on Nov 6, 2022 17:41:18 GMT
Ultimately, this is a market based reality. Morality in N America, thankfully, is generally worked out in market based decisions and persuasive dialogue - we don’t live in a theocracy. What Miller did as a youth and teenager has nothing to do with wokeness - he was a complete piece of shit, that’s objective. Indeed, I would argue that the folks who are singing, “ all we are saying is give Mitch a chance’” sound woke. But all that aside, Sweeney and Neely took a swing on this young man and now we’ll see how it plays out. Lastly, my first thought on this whole thing was from There’s Something About Mary. Pat Healy is trying to get on Mary’s good side, so he explains to her that his (made up to impress Mary) job as a famous architect is just a job, but “My real passion is my hobby…I work with retards…” Hey Mitch tell us about your passion. If anything thinks this has to do with corporate media made up "wokeness" should stop commenting. Sweeney wants his talent. The timing is more comical Cam and Don decision making. I think the timing is due more to other teams were interested, at least that's what i've read. It came down to make a decision which seems to have taken quite a long time and after much consternation. I'm not saying i'm personally on board with the signing, just giving reasons why time was of the essence on making a decision to sign this player. I said from the outset i found it weird and unneeded but i don't work for the B's.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Nov 6, 2022 17:44:36 GMT
Ultimately, this is a market based reality. Morality in N America, thankfully, is generally worked out in market based decisions and persuasive dialogue - we don’t live in a theocracy. What Miller did as a youth and teenager has nothing to do with wokeness - he was a complete piece of shit, that’s objective. Indeed, I would argue that the folks who are singing, “ all we are saying is give Mitch a chance’” sound woke. But all that aside, Sweeney and Neely took a swing on this young man and now we’ll see how it plays out. Lastly, my first thought on this whole thing was from There’s Something About Mary. Pat Healy is trying to get on Mary’s good side, so he explains to her that his (made up to impress Mary) job as a famous architect is just a job, but “My real passion is my hobby…I work with retards…” Hey Mitch tell us about your passion. If anything thinks this has to do with corporate media made up "wokeness" should stop commenting. Sweeney wants his talent. The timing is more comical Cam and Don decision making. Exactly, Donnie’s job is to ice the best team he can and not just now but also for the future…. As for the timing, why not now? If the kid who did a repugnant act back in 8th grade pans out to win the Norris trophy in five years, some of those questioning the move now would be the first to criticize Donnie for not signing the guy…. As for this disputable signing derailing a team headed for big things this year, that would be on those on the ice and not those sitting in the executive suites…. Players are paid the big bucks to perform…. Anyway the guy won’t be skating in the NHL anytime soon, if ever at all…. Now, if at season’s end Pasta moves elsewhere, Bergy decides to hang it up, or Marchy demands a trade because they couldn’t stomach the B’S bringing Miller into the fold, then that’s their absolute right…. Not sure if Donnie or Cam envision anything drastic like that occurring…. Or if they should at all….
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Post by sandogbrewin on Nov 6, 2022 19:00:10 GMT
If anything thinks this has to do with corporate media made up "wokeness" should stop commenting. Sweeney wants his talent. The timing is more comical Cam and Don decision making. I think the timing is due more to other teams were interested, at least that's what i've read. It came down to make a decision which seems to have taken quite a long time and after much consternation. I'm not saying i'm personally on board with the signing, just giving reasons why time was of the essence on making a decision to sign this player. I said from the outset i found it weird and unneeded but i don't work for the B's. Great Sweeney was hasty. Hence his comments, twice on his zoom call, he's still unsure of the decision. A Instagram posy later Don throws cold water on very good team he put together.
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Post by ialwayslikedmarcotte on Nov 6, 2022 19:46:39 GMT
I live in the DC area and just read that Dan Snyder sent Donny, Cam, Charlie, and Jeremy a dozen roses each.
And there's a rumor floating around that the Blackhawks organization is thinking of having a Boston Bruins Appreciation Day.
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