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Post by mdsizzle on May 17, 2023 18:31:43 GMT
Ironic that Cassidy and Vegas are still going and could very well win the Cup. If he wins the Cup, it will make the Montgomery/B's collapse debacle turn into "why did we let Cassidy go!"...'19 Cup finalist, so it's not like Butch hasn't been there before. I’m rooting for Butch also but it was time to go…. When a highly respected player like Bergy doesn’t have your back anymore (according to reports) it speaks volumes…. Hope Butch wins the cup…. Still, it won’t show that the B’S made a mistake in my eyes…. That would seem to put the owness of the payoff losses more on the shoulders of the players than the coach? |
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Post by thanx4memORRies on May 17, 2023 20:56:46 GMT
I’m rooting for Butch also but it was time to go…. When a highly respected player like Bergy doesn’t have your back anymore (according to reports) it speaks volumes…. Hope Butch wins the cup…. Still, it won’t show that the B’S made a mistake in my eyes…. That would seem to put the owness of the payoff losses more on the shoulders of the players than the coach? What that says is Butch’s time behind the B’S bench was up just like it is when most coaching changes are made…. |
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Post by dannycater on May 18, 2023 13:34:17 GMT
That would seem to put the owness of the payoff losses more on the shoulders of the players than the coach? What that says is Butch’s time behind the B’S bench was up just like it is when most coaching changes are made…. I agree. He lost the room and the Captain. But his new team is still going and I'm glad for him. I'll admit it. I liked Cassidy's interviews way more than Monty's, all rosey and cheery (granted you set NHL record for points, wins you don't have much to say). |
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Post by bookboy007 on May 18, 2023 14:45:09 GMT
I’m rooting for Butch also but it was time to go…. When a highly respected player like Bergy doesn’t have your back anymore (according to reports) it speaks volumes…. Hope Butch wins the cup…. Still, it won’t show that the B’S made a mistake in my eyes…. That would seem to put the owness of the payoff losses more on the shoulders of the players than the coach? *onus. Just remember that it's anus but with an O. As in the phrase: "When you put the onus on someone for a playoff loss, you are saying 'oh, you're the asshole who cost us the series!'" |
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Post by bookboy007 on May 18, 2023 15:11:57 GMT
What that says is Butch’s time behind the B’S bench was up just like it is when most coaching changes are made…. I agree. He lost the room and the Captain. But his new team is still going and I'm glad for him. I'll admit it. I liked Cassidy's interviews way more than Monty's, all rosey and cheery (granted you set NHL record for points, wins you don't have much to say). I'm so done with this phrase. It's such a catchall now, and we all just shrug at the fact that it shifts all responsibility from the players to the coach so that he can be scapegoated and fired. How does a coach "lose the room"? There are some legit things where you say "yeah, you can't do that and expect results." But I'm not sure those things are the same now as they were a few years ago. Now, I don't think you can attack a player's identity in any way. You can't say someone IS soft/a loser/a choker/a useless sack of piss. Today's player doesn't take it as a challenge: there's no "I'll show you who's soft!" mentality; they go all Marner and sulk about it. But that was basically Mike Keenan's whole style of coaching and the guy won a Cup and took the Flyers to the Finals. Sometimes what 'lose the room' means is that you don't know how to communicate with your team. And that's a fair thing to fire them for...but when the communication was good and then it's not? What changes? Sometimes it's the bodies in the room. You bring in a couple of FAs and a couple of rooks and suddenly the dynamic changes. Especially if a veteran (Chara) retires in the middle of it. It isn't the coach losing the room, it's the room changing. So much of "the coach losing the room" is the players deciding to stop listening. Tuning him out. In most work environments, that would be a performance issue. The employees know what is expected of them, and they have the tools to deliver it, so a decision not to deliver it...is a performance issue. You hear all the stories about prima donnas like Kessel refusing to do what the coaching staff thinks he should do on the PP because he knows better. And sometimes...yeah...he does. Hard for a guy who might have been a plugger as a player to imagine what a gifted player like Kess (and yes, he was a very gifted player) could do if you set him up to try something. More often than not, coaches "losing the room" comes off as the players deciding en mass that the reason they can't make the playoffs/win a round/go deep/get over the hump is coaching. It's the game strategy...not that I keep getting schooled at the faceoff dot. It's the bench management...not that my plus/minus dives like Greg Lougainis if I take on defensive zone starts or play more than 12 min a night. I hate that we accept the "he lost the room" excuse when it's offered to us. The Bruins lost to Carolina last year for many of the same reasons they lost to Florida. They tightened up when facing a hard, physical forecheck. They reverted to only being able to score on the man advantage. They struggled to maintain their defensive structure and gave up an uncharacteristic number of goals when faced with a team that had physical forwards willing to fight for real estate near the net. Did they lose to Florida because Bruce lost the room? The continuity was the players. The continuity between two straight game 7 one goal first round losses is all on the players, no matter how many excuses like using Swayman earlier or not starting game 5 with the usual lines get tossed out to make it the coach's responsibility. Bruce challenged Eichel. Eichel sulked. Then he realised that the sulking wasn't getting him anywhere with Bruce, and now he's on to the third round and outscored McDavid 7-3 at ES in their series, and went +9 to McDavid's even. And overall, had 1 fewer point. The phrase I think it the more honest version of "lost the room"? "You can't fire 23 players." |
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Post by stevegm on May 18, 2023 15:15:53 GMT
it's really reactionary to go back there...but consider this.
leaders lose the room for only a couple reasons. the right one, or the wrong one. i think our woke society kinda forgets that.
we don't know which 50% of the room he lost...and why he lost it. if he lost the room because he wasn't willing to accept what we saw in round one...multiple brain farts, one after the other, then somebody shoulda stepped in, told the players to shut their fuckin mouths and bear down. the higher ups should have backed Cassidy, then he would never have lost the room. leaders and managers usually lose their troops, because the troops figure out there's no downside to standing up to and going against them.
who knows?
I like Monty. Everyone loves a story of redemption, and I'm glad he got the chance.
But Bruce got schooled before in the playoffs. We all pointed those foibles out. Monty's foibles are much worse.
Wouldn't be right to send him packin, so we just have to hope it's a growing lesson.
this is the worst snafu in Bruin history. worse than Philly, worse than 71. worse than st Loo
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Post by dannycater on May 18, 2023 16:01:00 GMT
That would seem to put the owness of the payoff losses more on the shoulders of the players than the coach? *onus. Just remember that it's anus but with an O. As in the phrase: "When you put the onus on someone for a playoff loss, you are saying 'oh, you're the asshole who cost us the series!'" He meant Rick Bowness...to put the "Rick Bowness of the p(l)ayoff (sic) losses..." |
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Post by dannycater on May 18, 2023 16:02:01 GMT
it's really reactionary to go back there...but consider this. leaders lose the room for only a couple reasons. the right one, or the wrong one. i think our woke society kinda forgets that. we don't know which 50% of the room he lost...and why he lost it. if he lost the room because he wasn't willing to accept what we saw in round one...multiple brain farts, one after the other, then somebody shoulda stepped in, told the players to shut their fuckin mouths and bear down. the higher ups should have backed Cassidy, then he would never have lost the room. leaders and managers usually lose their troops, because the troops figure out there's no downside to standing up to and going against them. who knows? I like Monty. Everyone loves a story of redemption, and I'm glad he got the chance. But Bruce got schooled before in the playoffs. We all pointed those foibles out. Monty's foibles are much worse. Wouldn't be right to send him packin, so we just have to hope it's a growing lesson. this is the worst snafu in Bruin history. worse than Philly, worse than 71. worse than st Loo reactionist and a cliche guy, I feel honored to answer to both. |
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Post by dannycater on May 18, 2023 16:03:35 GMT
I agree. He lost the room and the Captain. But his new team is still going and I'm glad for him. I'll admit it. I liked Cassidy's interviews way more than Monty's, all rosey and cheery (granted you set NHL record for points, wins you don't have much to say). I'm so done with this phrase. It's such a catchall now, and we all just shrug at the fact that it shifts all responsibility from the players to the coach so that he can be scapegoated and fired. How does a coach "lose the room"? There are some legit things where you say "yeah, you can't do that and expect results." But I'm not sure those things are the same now as they were a few years ago. Now, I don't think you can attack a player's identity in any way. You can't say someone IS soft/a loser/a choker/a useless sack of piss. Today's player doesn't take it as a challenge: there's no "I'll show you who's soft!" mentality; they go all Marner and sulk about it. But that was basically Mike Keenan's whole style of coaching and the guy won a Cup and took the Flyers to the Finals. Sometimes what 'lose the room' means is that you don't know how to communicate with your team. And that's a fair thing to fire them for...but when the communication was good and then it's not? What changes? Sometimes it's the bodies in the room. You bring in a couple of FAs and a couple of rooks and suddenly the dynamic changes. Especially if a veteran (Chara) retires in the middle of it. It isn't the coach losing the room, it's the room changing. So much of "the coach losing the room" is the players deciding to stop listening. Tuning him out. In most work environments, that would be a performance issue. The employees know what is expected of them, and they have the tools to deliver it, so a decision not to deliver it...is a performance issue. You hear all the stories about prima donnas like Kessel refusing to do what the coaching staff thinks he should do on the PP because he knows better. And sometimes...yeah...he does. Hard for a guy who might have been a plugger as a player to imagine what a gifted player like Kess (and yes, he was a very gifted player) could do if you set him up to try something. More often than not, coaches "losing the room" comes off as the players deciding en mass that the reason they can't make the playoffs/win a round/go deep/get over the hump is coaching. It's the game strategy...not that I keep getting schooled at the faceoff dot. It's the bench management...not that my plus/minus dives like Greg Lougainis if I take on defensive zone starts or play more than 12 min a night. I hate that we accept the "he lost the room" excuse when it's offered to us. The Bruins lost to Carolina last year for many of the same reasons they lost to Florida. They tightened up when facing a hard, physical forecheck. They reverted to only being able to score on the man advantage. They struggled to maintain their defensive structure and gave up an uncharacteristic number of goals when faced with a team that had physical forwards willing to fight for real estate near the net. Did they lose to Florida because Bruce lost the room? The continuity was the players. The continuity between two straight game 7 one goal first round losses is all on the players, no matter how many excuses like using Swayman earlier or not starting game 5 with the usual lines get tossed out to make it the coach's responsibility. Bruce challenged Eichel. Eichel sulked. Then he realised that the sulking wasn't getting him anywhere with Bruce, and now he's on to the third round and outscored McDavid 7-3 at ES in their series, and went +9 to McDavid's even. And overall, had 1 fewer point. The phrase I think it the more honest version of "lost the room"? "You can't fire 23 players." And I'm done with "you are what you are." I'm done with that phrase. I killed it, I mangled it, and for all tense (tents) intents and purposes, I reacted with a cliche just now and English is not my first language either. |
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Post by mdsizzle on May 19, 2023 0:23:06 GMT
That would seem to put the owness of the payoff losses more on the shoulders of the players than the coach? *onus. Just remember that it's anus but with an O. As in the phrase: "When you put the onus on someone for a playoff loss, you are saying 'oh, you're the asshole who cost us the series!'" Ya?? I'm sure you are right, but you'd figure the own part would indicate the party had ownership of... English is a goofy langue! |
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Post by dannycater on May 19, 2023 1:45:39 GMT
*onus. Just remember that it's anus but with an O. As in the phrase: "When you put the onus on someone for a playoff loss, you are saying 'oh, you're the asshole who cost us the series!'" Ya?? I'm sure you are right, but you'd figure the own part would indicate the party had ownership of... English is a goofy langue! I keep forgetting that it's not your first language, English. |
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Post by davinator on May 19, 2023 3:55:56 GMT
And I'm done with "you are what you are." I'm done with that phrase. I killed it, I mangled it, and for all tense (tents) and purposes, I reacted with a cliche just now. "...intents and purposes..." Carry on. |
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Post by dannycater on May 19, 2023 11:08:13 GMT
I apologize unreservedly to the entire English Language.
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Post by mdsizzle on May 19, 2023 11:15:56 GMT
Ya?? I'm sure you are right, but you'd figure the own part would indicate the party had ownership of... English is a goofy langue! I keep forgetting that it's not your first language, English. Thanks Dan! All you bastards keep conveniently forgetting my first language is the language of love! Shit, secondary is whatever language is typing the word FUCK, IN CAPS... you know that one Danny... And then is murican. |
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Post by dannycater on May 19, 2023 11:54:05 GMT
Come on down to the Foxwoods Resort Casino for a special roundtable...Jim Montgomery, Patrice Bergeron, and dannycater, of B's Forum lore, continue their trip around New England in The Apology Tour 2023: Why The Best Team Ever Looked Like The Worst Team Ever....coming to an Indian Casino near you!
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Post by mdsizzle on May 19, 2023 12:03:48 GMT
Come on down to the Foxwoods Resort Casino for a special roundtable...Jim Montgomery, Patrice Bergeron, and dannycater, of B's Forum lore, continue their trip around New England in The Apology Tour 2023: Why The Best Team Ever Looked Like The Worst Team Ever....coming to an Indian Casino near you! We learned our lesson ever since this tour started in 2012... I go to the show and it's just Danny standing there by himself telling to mamma jokes... We knew the Bruins wouldn't show up. |
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Post by dannycater on May 19, 2023 12:11:37 GMT
Come on down to the Foxwoods Resort Casino for a special roundtable...Jim Montgomery, Patrice Bergeron, and dannycater, of B's Forum lore, continue their trip around New England in The Apology Tour 2023: Why The Best Team Ever Looked Like The Worst Team Ever....coming to an Indian Casino near you! We learned our lesson ever since this tour started in 2012... I go to the show and it's just Danny standing there by himself telling to mamma jokes... We knew the Bruins wouldn't show up. We also just learned that Bergeron has demanded to be at the tour event and that Monty has decided to let Goalie Coach Bob Essensa take his spot. |
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Post by mdsizzle on May 19, 2023 12:19:29 GMT
We learned our lesson ever since this tour started in 2012... I go to the show and it's just Danny standing there by himself telling to mamma jokes... We knew the Bruins wouldn't show up. We also just learned that Bergeron has demanded to be at the tour event and that Monty has decided to let Goalie Coach Bob Essensa take his spot. OH god, here we go again... Bob will demand that Linus goes and then Linus won't show up... Swayman will come running in as everyone is already heading for the exits... |
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Post by dannycater on May 19, 2023 12:37:39 GMT
Swayman jumped on the stage with 3 minutes left before dinner was served.
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Post by mdsizzle on May 19, 2023 12:45:47 GMT
Swayman jumped on the stage with 3 minutes left before dinner was served. Where'd everyone go? Janitor - it's over bud... After party at OC's place. Sorry OC, couldn't resist buddy... We tease the ones we love. |
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Post by dannycater on May 19, 2023 12:50:30 GMT
OC really is the asshole on the Wedding Singer.
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 19, 2023 13:02:51 GMT
Last thing...when Ullmark gets the Vezina and Monty Coach of the Year...it will be hollow and tough I think to even watch. There are regular season awards and post-season awards. Unfortunately there isn't a post-season award for fucking choking. Ullmark and Monty deserve to win the awards they were nominated for. Regardless of the 1st round of the playoffs. The NHL should start a coaching award for the playoffs. |
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Post by dannycater on May 19, 2023 13:21:46 GMT
I am so sick of the B's reputation now...Playoff Soft...they just are always the softer team. Can't beat Tampa-Soft. Can't beat Islanders-Soft. Can't beat Canes-Soft. Can't beat Panthers-Soft. Can't beat Blues in 19-Soft. I give up....2011 was the EXACT FUCKING OPPOSITE..PHYSICAL ALWAYS THE MORE PHYSICAL TEAM AND GUYS WHO WERE PHYSICAL.
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Post by 50belowzero on May 19, 2023 13:37:40 GMT
I am so sick of the B's reputation now...Playoff Soft...they just are always the softer team. Can't beat Tampa-Soft. Can't beat Islanders-Soft. Can't beat Canes-Soft. Can't beat Panthers-Soft. Can't beat Blues in 19-Soft. I give up....2011 was the EXACT FUCKING OPPOSITE..PHYSICAL ALWAYS THE MORE PHYSICAL TEAM AND GUYS WHO WERE PHYSICAL. The 2011 winning team lost the 2013 Cup to the Hawks, basically was the same team correct? I' don't know, the Bruins have lost the most Cup finals of any team in the NHL. I have no idea what's up with that stat but it sucks. They've had alot of great teams that were beaten by lesser team, at least on paper they were better but the game is played on ice. |
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Post by dannycater on May 19, 2023 13:44:58 GMT
I am so sick of the B's reputation now...Playoff Soft...they just are always the softer team. Can't beat Tampa-Soft. Can't beat Islanders-Soft. Can't beat Canes-Soft. Can't beat Panthers-Soft. Can't beat Blues in 19-Soft. I give up....2011 was the EXACT FUCKING OPPOSITE..PHYSICAL ALWAYS THE MORE PHYSICAL TEAM AND GUYS WHO WERE PHYSICAL. The 2011 winning team lost the 2013 Cup to the Hawks, basically was the same team correct? I' don't know, the Bruins have lost the most Cup finals of any team in the NHL. I have no idea what's up with that stat but it sucks. They've had alot of great teams that were beaten by lesser team, at least on paper they were better but the game is played on ice. The scary part of 2011, 2013, 2019....kind of came down to what? Goaltending. Thomas stonewall in game 7 v. Vancouver-win Cup..Rask goes to pieces (defense as well) in the last 2 minutes of a for sure victory, going to game 7 in Chicago in 13 (the end of game 6...very much like the way game 7 Florida tying goal surprised everyone)...Binnington stops everything, then the first shot on Rask goes in, then the Marchand mistake and no save there...2023? Ullmark injured or not can't stop a beach ball when B's had about 4 or 5 ties or leads, Ullmark coughs up puck in OT, Swayman can't hold on to a lead (he played great in OT) in game 7. Goaltending. Not necessarily the other team, OUR GOALTENDING. |
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