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Post by dannycater on Aug 14, 2023 22:11:04 GMT
Gotta say, it is a sad day, for me. Outside of LBOH, DK was my fav player. Smooth as silk, and twice as smart. I know this isn't popular here, but I think DK was a better Offensive player than PB. All around PB is a better player, but from what I saw, Krejci had better skills in setting up plays and making un-fucking-believable passes. I don't think Patrice could have done the double toe-drag, and fed a perfect pass to Hall. He was the # 1 Center on the Cup winning team, and has 2 Playoff scoring Titles. Guys like him and Nifty are a big reason I watch hockey - well many reasons, but sublime play making is so very rare. Enjoy Retirement David, you earned it. Better playmaker, for sure. Patrice has a better shot, but DK is the guy you'd want distributing pucks. Two playoff scoring titles is an incredible feet, and I don't think he gets enough credit for it. I do wish they won a couple more titles with him lighting it up just for histories sake. A really great player. It would have been 3 if he wasn't targeted for injury v. Philly in 2010.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 14, 2023 22:14:48 GMT
Gotta say, it is a sad day, for me. Outside of LBOH, DK was my fav player. Smooth as silk, and twice as smart. I know this isn't popular here, but I think DK was a better Offensive player than PB. All around PB is a better player, but from what I saw, Krejci had better skills in setting up plays and making un-fucking-believable passes. I don't think Patrice could have done the double toe-drag, and fed a perfect pass to Hall. He was the # 1 Center on the Cup winning team, and has 2 Playoff scoring Titles. Guys like him and Nifty are a big reason I watch hockey - well many reasons, but sublime play making is so very rare. Enjoy Retirement David, you earned it. Great post, barley....Krejci was in the Marc Savard league of passing...but he did have a very accurate shot that albeit he never took enough of them later in his career especially. The one thing from the Florida series I always will take away as a positive (say what!!!! sizz is going absolutely beserk upon reading this passage) was DK blasting in the PP goal to cut it to 2-1, then helping set up the next 2 goals. What a way to end a career with a 3-point night in a playoff game...Playoff Krech.
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Post by mdsizzle on Aug 14, 2023 22:23:27 GMT
Gotta say, it is a sad day, for me. Outside of LBOH, DK was my fav player. Smooth as silk, and twice as smart. I know this isn't popular here, but I think DK was a better Offensive player than PB. All around PB is a better player, but from what I saw, Krejci had better skills in setting up plays and making un-fucking-believable passes. I don't think Patrice could have done the double toe-drag, and fed a perfect pass to Hall. He was the # 1 Center on the Cup winning team, and has 2 Playoff scoring Titles. Guys like him and Nifty are a big reason I watch hockey - well many reasons, but sublime play making is so very rare. Enjoy Retirement David, you earned it. Great post, barley....Krejci was in the Marc Savard league of passing...but he did have a very accurate shot that albeit he never took enough of them later in his career especially. The one thing from the Florida series I always will take away as a positive (say what!!!! sizz is going absolutely beserk upon reading this passage) was DK blasting in the PP goal to cut it to 2-1, then helping set up the next 2 goals. What a way to end a career with a 3-point night in a playoff game...Playoff Krech. Lol, na, not going berserk here... The further out from our net we were the least guiltily players were. Aside from a timely goal here or there I can't blame the forwards in the O zone too much. Krech will be missed. Clutch player and super smart.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 14, 2023 22:37:25 GMT
Great post, barley....Krejci was in the Marc Savard league of passing...but he did have a very accurate shot that albeit he never took enough of them later in his career especially. The one thing from the Florida series I always will take away as a positive (say what!!!! sizz is going absolutely beserk upon reading this passage) was DK blasting in the PP goal to cut it to 2-1, then helping set up the next 2 goals. What a way to end a career with a 3-point night in a playoff game...Playoff Krech. Lol, na, not going berserk here... The further out from our net we were the least guiltily players were. Aside from a timely goal here or there I can't blame the forwards in the O zone too much. Krech will be missed. Clutch player and super smart. Really offensively, not sure what more the B's could have done in that series...they scored enough to win....it often was stick-clutching inability to score that screwed B's in many a playoff elimination.
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 14, 2023 22:42:24 GMT
Gotta say, it is a sad day, for me. Outside of LBOH, DK was my fav player. Smooth as silk, and twice as smart. I know this isn't popular here, but I think DK was a better Offensive player than PB. All around PB is a better player, but from what I saw, Krejci had better skills in setting up plays and making un-fucking-believable passes. I don't think Patrice could have done the double toe-drag, and fed a perfect pass to Hall. He was the # 1 Center on the Cup winning team, and has 2 Playoff scoring Titles. Guys like him and Nifty are a big reason I watch hockey - well many reasons, but sublime play making is so very rare. Enjoy Retirement David, you earned it. Well, there's a lot of beer to be consumed discussing that one now that there will be no further evidence. I think it's borderline impossible to call - objectively - for a few reasons. Tale of the tape: 37: 1294 games, 427 goals 613 assists 10140 points and 0.8 points game. 3974 shots, and a 10.7 s%. 666 EVPoints, 326 PPP, and 48 shorthanded. He averaged 18:41 per game for his career. 46: 1032g, 231-555-786, 0.76 points/game. 1848 shots, 12.5 s% 571 EVPoints, 203PPP and 12 SH. 17:50 a night for his career. This is about offense exclusively. Which, strangely, may not be fair to DK. Of the two, I think DK sacrificed more points to play Bruin hockey; for Bergeron, I don't think he sacrificed any points. At least, not in the sense that I think he did anything other than play his best game. But you look at the tale of the tape and I see three key things: they were ridiculously close in points/game; they played completely different styles; and surprisingly, it's Bergeron who had a larger share of his production on the PP. What's interesting about them being so close in points/game is that they were ridiculously close every year with a very small number of exceptions and only one year that wasn't attributable to injury. They tied or were within 3 points several times. You might have thought oh, that makes sense because DK was the top offensive C in the Lucic and Horton days and Bergeron in the BLiH era. Nope. Almost every year. It didn't just average out. It probably would require a lot of digging to find data to show that in fact the difference in their points/game likely has more to do with scoring being up in the BLiH era across the league, and down in the days of the punishing Bruins teams. The second thing in that massive shot total for Bergeron. He scored close to 200 more goals than DK, who never came close to a 30goal season. But he took enough shots that despite 200 more goals, he still had a lower s%. Since the year 2000, only Ovechkin (6355!!!) and Eric Staal have more shots than Patrice. It wasn't something anyone ever talked about, and it's a bit unusual because he was never at risk of winning the Richard. At even strength, he didn't set up for the one time. If the shot was his best play, he shot. Period. No hesitation, no worrying about whether there was something better if he held on longer. Shoot, rebound, regroup. That wasn't DK's game, and that was absolutely a subject for discussion. I remember and early story of him working on a shooting drill with Ryder and Wheeler and getting burned for having a butterfly of a shot. And his "matrix" nickname was based on slowing it down, looking for the lane, finding the pass. Bergeron was an adept passer when he wanted to be and we saw a lot of that with the BLiH with two excellent finishers. DK could pick the corner; classic example of it doesn't have to be 100mph if it's perfectly placed. We saw it all the time. But they played to different strengths, and it's hard to say if Bergeron's passing was better than DK's shot or vice versa. And it says a lot about perception that DK was almost never the top PPTOI centre for his entire career. We could debate why, but I think it's tied to point 2. No other Bruins comes close to PB in terms of PPG in the last twenty three years. Pastrnak will blow past him eventually, but Marchand won't catch him because he wasn't even trustworthy enough to play the PP for half his career. Chara is actually 4th. Krejci's 5th. They had some guys who, based on games played and the totals they posted in limited time, might have made a case. Murray had 53 in 422 games post 2000. JTS 44 in 315. Both of those math out to more than Bergeron's 131...if you can maintain that level of consistency for 3x or 4x as many games. But for a lot of the last 20 years, Bergeron shooting the puck has been one of the Bruins' top PP options. If you look at offensive prowess as toe-drags and Gretzky-esque passes, then you probably think DK was the better offensive player. If you subscribe to the idea that no one gets a point until someone puts the puck in the net, you might value the guy who did that far more and looked to do it more than almost anyone in his era, especially when he still produced more assists. Bergeron created a ton of offense from possession plays, from "regrouping" off the backcheck - second chance league as Cassidy was always saying. He got a ton of points off the draw with set plays. Those are skills that create offense, but they don't show up in 'chel marketing very often. Fancy dorks like Zegras can do the Michigan all they like, but until they learn to create chances in all the fundamental ways Bergeron did, they'll be SportsCentre darlings and pro-am golf kingpins. So yeah, I don't know how you would be able to say, objectively, that one was a better offensive player than the other and defend that against all the situational factors that influence the raw stats. I'm just happy that they were both Bruins. When you look at that 23 year swathe of stats, the thing that stands out the most? The third highest scoring C the Bruins have had in that stretch is still JTS. He left Boston with 346 in this millenium; Krejci ended up with 440 more points. Bergeron with nearly 700 more. Savard had 305. You know who's 4th? Charlie Coyle with 148. Then Ryan Spooner with 142 and Segzy with 121. Jason Allison is in the top 10. These two have been the engine for so long, I don't think we have any real muscle memory for what the Bruins are like without them.
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 14, 2023 22:43:22 GMT
Gotta say, it is a sad day, for me. Outside of LBOH, DK was my fav player. Smooth as silk, and twice as smart. I know this isn't popular here, but I think DK was a better Offensive player than PB. All around PB is a better player, but from what I saw, Krejci had better skills in setting up plays and making un-fucking-believable passes. I don't think Patrice could have done the double toe-drag, and fed a perfect pass to Hall. He was the # 1 Center on the Cup winning team, and has 2 Playoff scoring Titles. Guys like him and Nifty are a big reason I watch hockey - well many reasons, but sublime play making is so very rare. Enjoy Retirement David, you earned it. Better playmaker, for sure. Patrice has a better shot, but DK is the guy you'd want distributing pucks. Two playoff scoring titles is an incredible feet, and I don't think he gets enough credit for it. I do wish they won a couple more titles with him lighting it up just for histories sake. A really great player. I thought you were more of a boobs guy....
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Post by kelvana33 on Aug 14, 2023 22:46:58 GMT
9th all time in Bruins scoring. That's good enough for 46 to be up in the rafters. Also, Marchand will pass Orr and crack the top 5 this year.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 14, 2023 23:23:30 GMT
Better playmaker, for sure. Patrice has a better shot, but DK is the guy you'd want distributing pucks. Two playoff scoring titles is an incredible feet, and I don't think he gets enough credit for it. I do wish they won a couple more titles with him lighting it up just for histories sake. A really great player. I thought you were more of a boobs guy.... Ever since he won the Fantasy Title, he's been snorting coke off boobs across the Southland.
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Post by barleytinking on Aug 15, 2023 1:00:08 GMT
Gotta say, it is a sad day, for me. Outside of LBOH, DK was my fav player. Smooth as silk, and twice as smart. I know this isn't popular here, but I think DK was a better Offensive player than PB. All around PB is a better player, but from what I saw, Krejci had better skills in setting up plays and making un-fucking-believable passes. I don't think Patrice could have done the double toe-drag, and fed a perfect pass to Hall. He was the # 1 Center on the Cup winning team, and has 2 Playoff scoring Titles. Guys like him and Nifty are a big reason I watch hockey - well many reasons, but sublime play making is so very rare. Enjoy Retirement David, you earned it. Well, there's a lot of beer to be consumed discussing that one now that there will be no further evidence. I think it's borderline impossible to call - objectively - for a few reasons. Tale of the tape: 37: 1294 games, 427 goals 613 assists 10140 points and 0.8 points game. 3974 shots, and a 10.7 s%. 666 EVPoints, 326 PPP, and 48 shorthanded. He averaged 18:41 per game for his career. 46: 1032g, 231-555-786, 0.76 points/game. 1848 shots, 12.5 s% 571 EVPoints, 203PPP and 12 SH. 17:50 a night for his career. This is about offense exclusively. Which, strangely, may not be fair to DK. Of the two, I think DK sacrificed more points to play Bruin hockey; for Bergeron, I don't think he sacrificed any points. At least, not in the sense that I think he did anything other than play his best game. But you look at the tale of the tape and I see three key things: they were ridiculously close in points/game; they played completely different styles; and surprisingly, it's Bergeron who had a larger share of his production on the PP. What's interesting about them being so close in points/game is that they were ridiculously close every year with a very small number of exceptions and only one year that wasn't attributable to injury. They tied or were within 3 points several times. You might have thought oh, that makes sense because DK was the top offensive C in the Lucic and Horton days and Bergeron in the BLiH era. Nope. Almost every year. It didn't just average out. It probably would require a lot of digging to find data to show that in fact the difference in their points/game likely has more to do with scoring being up in the BLiH era across the league, and down in the days of the punishing Bruins teams. The second thing in that massive shot total for Bergeron. He scored close to 200 more goals than DK, who never came close to a 30goal season. But he took enough shots that despite 200 more goals, he still had a lower s%. Since the year 2000, only Ovechkin (6355!!!) and Eric Staal have more shots than Patrice. It wasn't something anyone ever talked about, and it's a bit unusual because he was never at risk of winning the Richard. At even strength, he didn't set up for the one time. If the shot was his best play, he shot. Period. No hesitation, no worrying about whether there was something better if he held on longer. Shoot, rebound, regroup. That wasn't DK's game, and that was absolutely a subject for discussion. I remember and early story of him working on a shooting drill with Ryder and Wheeler and getting burned for having a butterfly of a shot. And his "matrix" nickname was based on slowing it down, looking for the lane, finding the pass. Bergeron was an adept passer when he wanted to be and we saw a lot of that with the BLiH with two excellent finishers. DK could pick the corner; classic example of it doesn't have to be 100mph if it's perfectly placed. We saw it all the time. But they played to different strengths, and it's hard to say if Bergeron's passing was better than DK's shot or vice versa. And it says a lot about perception that DK was almost never the top PPTOI centre for his entire career. We could debate why, but I think it's tied to point 2. No other Bruins comes close to PB in terms of PPG in the last twenty three years. Pastrnak will blow past him eventually, but Marchand won't catch him because he wasn't even trustworthy enough to play the PP for half his career. Chara is actually 4th. Krejci's 5th. They had some guys who, based on games played and the totals they posted in limited time, might have made a case. Murray had 53 in 422 games post 2000. JTS 44 in 315. Both of those math out to more than Bergeron's 131...if you can maintain that level of consistency for 3x or 4x as many games. But for a lot of the last 20 years, Bergeron shooting the puck has been one of the Bruins' top PP options. If you look at offensive prowess as toe-drags and Gretzky-esque passes, then you probably think DK was the better offensive player. If you subscribe to the idea that no one gets a point until someone puts the puck in the net, you might value the guy who did that far more and looked to do it more than almost anyone in his era, especially when he still produced more assists. Bergeron created a ton of offense from possession plays, from "regrouping" off the backcheck - second chance league as Cassidy was always saying. He got a ton of points off the draw with set plays. Those are skills that create offense, but they don't show up in 'chel marketing very often. Fancy dorks like Zegras can do the Michigan all they like, but until they learn to create chances in all the fundamental ways Bergeron did, they'll be SportsCentre darlings and pro-am golf kingpins. So yeah, I don't know how you would be able to say, objectively, that one was a better offensive player than the other and defend that against all the situational factors that influence the raw stats. I'm just happy that they were both Bruins. When you look at that 23 year swathe of stats, the thing that stands out the most? The third highest scoring C the Bruins have had in that stretch is still JTS. He left Boston with 346 in this millenium; Krejci ended up with 440 more points. Bergeron with nearly 700 more. Savard had 305. You know who's 4th? Charlie Coyle with 148. Then Ryan Spooner with 142 and Segzy with 121. Jason Allison is in the top 10. These two have been the engine for so long, I don't think we have any real muscle memory for what the Bruins are like without them. Okay, so I hunted down the last beer in the fridge, and will try to make this one last, hopefully with as much grace as Patrice and David did playing for all of us. WOW did we have it good!!! Here is my position on the debate - not that there really is one - 2 SUPER AMAZING PLAYERS. I just want that clear. This is not a put down of the other guy in anyway shape or form. It is strictly my observations, and preference of style of play. I think DK's numbers would have been significantly better had he Centered Pasta and Marchand. Lets face it, since Lucic and Horton left town, DK has had a series of revolving door wingers, never even close to the caliber of those 2. True he has had time with Pasta, except in a very limited role on the Perfection line due to injury. The B's just never found him replacements like Horton and Looooooch. I don't want to get into specific comparisons, because that isn't what I want this about. Instead, it is just that with DK I might see something I haven't seen before, and know that few could do what he does.
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Post by The OC on Aug 15, 2023 1:15:31 GMT
Better playmaker, for sure. Patrice has a better shot, but DK is the guy you'd want distributing pucks. Two playoff scoring titles is an incredible feet, and I don't think he gets enough credit for it. I do wish they won a couple more titles with him lighting it up just for histories sake. A really great player. I thought you were more of a boobs guy.... Man, obsessing over the foot is never something I understood...
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Post by RichHillOntario on Aug 15, 2023 3:07:34 GMT
Perfect 2nd line center, if there was a Hall Of Very Good, he's be a first ballot entry. He's in that hall if it has a wing for "The Somewhat Underrated."
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Post by Bim on Aug 15, 2023 3:14:12 GMT
No one in Bruins history had better hands. He was on a team with Savard and Bergeron and was the best playmaker on the ice many nights. And when it really mattered most, regardless of how those other guys were playing, he always shined the brightest. He will be remembered and missed, greatly!
Hall of Fame career.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 15, 2023 13:55:08 GMT
I thought you were more of a boobs guy.... Man, obsessing over the foot is never something I understood... Former MLB catcher Barry Foote always wished his dates obsessed over him. Or those with a Footloose fetish for Kevin Bacon. As for men enjoying the sexual virtues of a women's foot, I think the U.S. Women's Soccer team has a lot of shoes to fill.
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 15, 2023 16:29:46 GMT
Man, obsessing over the foot is never something I understood... Former MLB catcher Barry Foote always wished his dates obsessed over him. Or those with a Footloose fetish for Kevin Bacon. As for men enjoying the sexual virtues of a women's foot, I think the U.S. Women's Soccer team has a lot of shoes to fill. It's a good thing they now distinguish between "kicked in" and "went in off of" or Avalanche defenseman Adam Foote would have finished his career with zero goals. Even then, he had so many called back for being directed in by a Foote.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 15, 2023 16:43:38 GMT
Former MLB catcher Barry Foote always wished his dates obsessed over him. Or those with a Footloose fetish for Kevin Bacon. As for men enjoying the sexual virtues of a women's foot, I think the U.S. Women's Soccer team has a lot of shoes to fill. It's a good thing they now distinguish between "kicked in" and "went in off of" or Avalanche defenseman Adam Foote would have finished his career with zero goals. Even then, he had so many called back for being directed in by a Foote. I'm having plantar just continuing this foot thing
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 15, 2023 16:45:07 GMT
It's a good thing they now distinguish between "kicked in" and "went in off of" or Avalanche defenseman Adam Foote would have finished his career with zero goals. Even then, he had so many called back for being directed in by a Foote. I'm having plantar just continuing this foot thing Don't get corny.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 15, 2023 16:46:25 GMT
I'm having plantar just continuing this foot thing Don't get corny. Something to this toejam
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 15, 2023 20:43:13 GMT
Stop, or I'll sick my dog on you. He's a blue heeler.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 16, 2023 13:40:44 GMT
Stop, or I'll sick my dog on you. He's a blue heeler. John Smith will be trotting on to the field when the snow is thick.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 16, 2023 13:53:05 GMT
I was thinking who were the most entertaining B's in my fan life. 1. Orr, no words on how great he was 2. Middleton, incredible playmaker, so many sensational moves and big-time goals 3. Krejci, best chess player and passer and just so good in clutch 4. Savard, perhaps the best passer I've ever seen in a B's jersey 5. Samsonov, had Nifty/Krejci skills, fun to watch 6. Bourque, complete d-man best defensive, best offensive...what a body of work 7. Neely, best pure scorer other than Espo 8. Pasta, sick goal scorer, sick, fucking sick! Love him! 9. Esposito, not so much entertaining as ridiculously fantastic point maker, best player ever in the dirty area 10. Marchand, so many moves, so many wacky plays for his size...when he's on as entertaining as it gets ....Bergeron is one of the greatest players I've ever watched, but I never really thought of him as a wow guy, he just got things done.
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Post by Lord Markwart on Aug 16, 2023 14:07:01 GMT
This thread is beginning to smell...
The DK vs. PB discussion is very interesting. While I would give PB the nod in terms of strength on puck, faceoff, willingness to shoot...he was unable to produce at the level of DK in the playoffs. I also believe the Bruins go on to win the Cup also in 2010 if DK does not get hurt as they were both in their prime. You might make a similar argument about PB's health against Chi.
The major difference for me and perhaps the reason for better playoff performance from DK is that PB does everything quickly. He makes decisions very fast and is tenacious. I think about those quick plays from the bumper position when he gives a back door feed to Pasta or a quick shot on goal. He and Oshie have somewhat revolutionized the power play and how to play that bumper position which takes very quick decision making to create angles and lanes. Unlike PB, DK could slow everything down a d never panic. In the playoffs when most things are going too fast for most players,he was seeing the game slowly. He was deliberate and could often hold onto the puck that extra second or two while everyone in the building was yelling shoot to often make the correct play. DK could think through how plays could develop and was way better at analyzing all options before making a decision than PB.
So in closing, they were both incredibly smart players--PB with quick-smart capability and DK with slow-smart play. Bruins were lucky to have 1a and 1b center for all those years that were different enough to make it hard on opposing teams to defend while producing similar high production.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 16, 2023 15:11:40 GMT
This thread is beginning to smell... The DK vs. PB discussion is very interesting. While I would give PB the nod in terms of strength on puck, faceoff, willingness to shoot...he was unable to produce at the level of DK in the playoffs. I also believe the Bruins go on to win the Cup also in 2010 if DK does not get hurt as they were both in their prime. You might make a similar argument about PB's health against Chi. The major difference for me and perhaps the reason for better playoff performance from DK is that PB does everything quickly. He makes decisions very fast and is tenacious. I think about those quick plays from the bumper position when he gives a back door feed to Pasta or a quick shot on goal. He and Oshie have somewhat revolutionized the power play and how to play that bumper position which takes very quick decision making to create angles and lanes. Unlike PB, DK could slow everything down a d never panic. In the playoffs when most things are going too fast for most players,he was seeing the game slowly. He was deliberate and could often hold onto the puck that extra second or two while everyone in the building was yelling shoot to often make the correct play. DK could think through how plays could develop and was way better at analyzing all options before making a decision than PB. So in closing, they were both incredibly smart players--PB with quick-smart capability and DK with slow-smart play. Bruins were lucky to have 1a and 1b center for all those years that were different enough to make it hard on opposing teams to defend while producing similar high production. Lord, spot on analysis...these guys complemented each other as much as any pair of centers for as long for one team...amazing that they were on the same team for entire careers, 1,000 plus games each and top 10 B's pointmakers all-time.
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Post by stevegm on Aug 16, 2023 16:06:16 GMT
It really really sucks that we lost 2 of the best Bruins ever....the same friggin offseason. Too bad we didn't have the option of getting acclimated over a season or 2. DK probably my favorite in decades.
This circle jerk thread doesn't match up very well with most of what I read here, between about 2017 and 21. Either the masses smartened up, or they consume this as a family member joining the departed.
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 16, 2023 16:08:36 GMT
This thread is beginning to smell... The DK vs. PB discussion is very interesting. While I would give PB the nod in terms of strength on puck, faceoff, willingness to shoot...he was unable to produce at the level of DK in the playoffs. I also believe the Bruins go on to win the Cup also in 2010 if DK does not get hurt as they were both in their prime. You might make a similar argument about PB's health against Chi. The major difference for me and perhaps the reason for better playoff performance from DK is that PB does everything quickly. He makes decisions very fast and is tenacious. I think about those quick plays from the bumper position when he gives a back door feed to Pasta or a quick shot on goal. He and Oshie have somewhat revolutionized the power play and how to play that bumper position which takes very quick decision making to create angles and lanes. Unlike PB, DK could slow everything down a d never panic. In the playoffs when most things are going too fast for most players,he was seeing the game slowly. He was deliberate and could often hold onto the puck that extra second or two while everyone in the building was yelling shoot to often make the correct play. DK could think through how plays could develop and was way better at analyzing all options before making a decision than PB. So in closing, they were both incredibly smart players--PB with quick-smart capability and DK with slow-smart play. Bruins were lucky to have 1a and 1b center for all those years that were different enough to make it hard on opposing teams to defend while producing similar high production. My favourite teams have always been able to win in different ways. You stop a top line that comes at you with incredible speed and slick skill? OK. Now stop this second line of guys who can play the dump and chase, the cycle, and create goals by physically overpowering your D. Oh, and the third line is like skating through velcro...until you turn it over and then they can burn you on the odd-man rush. In the first window before 14-15, that first line with Lucic and Horton and then Iginla was all bash with Krejci using the space that created to make great plays. Then Bergeron had a series of guys who were mostly speedier, smaller, but always good in both ends. Different ways to beat you; equally capable.
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Post by #4 Bobby Orr! GOAT! on Aug 18, 2023 1:53:43 GMT
I was thinking who were the most entertaining B's in my fan life. 1. Orr, no words on how great he was 2. Middleton, incredible playmaker, so many sensational moves and big-time goals 3. Krejci, best chess player and passer and just so good in clutch 4. Savard, perhaps the best passer I've ever seen in a B's jersey 5. Samsonov, had Nifty/Krejci skills, fun to watch 6. Bourque, complete d-man best defensive, best offensive...what a body of work 7. Neely, best pure scorer other than Espo 8. Pasta, sick goal scorer, sick, fucking sick! Love him! 9. Esposito, not so much entertaining as ridiculously fantastic point maker, best player ever in the dirty area 10. Marchand, so many moves, so many wacky plays for his size...when he's on as entertaining as it gets ....Bergeron is one of the greatest players I've ever watched, but I never really thought of him as a wow guy, he just got things done. Orr was best passer, unless you never seen him. Then Oates. Savard can be third
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