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Post by dannycater on Mar 17, 2024 14:45:40 GMT
Right now, Sweeney's best moves as GM was not dealing Root Beer or Blankey...one has been on fire ever since (that's the mental softness of 74) and the other also playing well since the deadline too, and while Roadhouse is looking like he is turning into a sieve late in games especially. Let's face it, 90 percent of the fans were hoping Ulmark was gone for something and I keep reminding people what has given you any reason to think Swayman is a playoff for sure goalie? I don't see anything but what I've seen his whole career. He can play great for 50 minutes and just as easily cough up goal after goal late in games...As for 74, the team is like what 23-1-1 when he scores points..seems like when he is playing Winter Classic version, the team wins...He just doesn't score enough overall, but when he is on a roll, the B's are often on a roll...it's not a coincidence. Both guys have had their moments of bad this season, and yet at the end of the day, both are needed probably if the B's want to win a Cup. Not saying 35 will overtake 1, just saying kind of nice to have 2 goalies and not 1 when playoffs happen. Go B's
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Mar 17, 2024 14:59:53 GMT
Right now, Sweeney's best moves as GM was not dealing Root Beer or Blankey...one has been on fire ever since (that's the mental softness of 74) and the other also playing well since the deadline too, and while Roadhouse is looking like he is turning into a sieve late in games especially. Let's face it, 90 percent of the fans were hoping Ulmark was gone for something and I keep reminding people what has given you any reason to think Swayman is a playoff for sure goalie? I don't see anything but what I've seen his whole career. He can play great for 50 minutes and just as easily cough up goal after goal late in games...As for 74, the team is like what 23-1-1 when he scores points..seems like when he is playing Winter Classic version, the team wins...He just doesn't score enough overall, but when he is on a roll, the B's are often on a roll...it's not a coincidence. Both guys have had their moments of bad this season, and yet at the end of the day, both are needed probably if the B's want to win a Cup. Not saying 35 will overtake 1, just saying kind of nice to have 2 goalies and not 1 when playoffs happen. Go B's Alrighty then, Jakey needs to score more often…. Guess you’re back on his band wagon again…. |
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 17, 2024 15:23:12 GMT
"what has given you any reason to think Swayman is a playoff for sure goalie ?"
Me thinks as of today, Swayman is the Bruins #1 goalie. It's his to keep for now. Ullmark could go on an insane run and grab the #1. I wouldn't be shocked by that. I don't like the idea of alternating goalies in the playoffs. I want one goalie named the post-season.
No issue with DS keeping DeBrusk. He has a great playoff good for him and for us fans. Has a bad, non-productive playoffs Sweeneys is not going to sign him. May not sign Jake cause the proce becomes too high.
Ok with DS using DeBrusks money to go out n get a scoring winger this summer. Preferably younger since Marchand is getting older. Boston needs to start thinking about a point producer like Marchand for the future.
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Post by dannycater on Mar 17, 2024 16:08:57 GMT
Ullmark is gone after this season...unless it turns out Sway falls on his face, and Ullmark takes over in playoffs..but Sway has to pick it up...this is becoming an issue with him...poor late in games, poor in overtimes.
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 17, 2024 17:06:01 GMT
Montgomery said he might give both goalies a chance to run with it for a few games which i'm all for. I'm not sold on either goalie in the playoffs because neither guy has shown they're up to it yet. The only thing i can see as being in Swayman's favor as being to B's #1 goalie next season and going forward is his age, he certainly hasn't outplayed Ullmark.
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Post by islamorada on Mar 17, 2024 17:18:36 GMT
My guess is DS had these two ready to trade, he did not get what he wanted back..... so what can I say. Good luck to both cause I like the Bs.
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 17, 2024 17:23:02 GMT
My guess is DS had these two ready to trade, he did not get what he wanted back..... so what can I say. Good luck to both cause I like the Bs. I still think if a team came to Sweeney with a offer too good to refuse Swayman would be the guy going. What that offer might be i have no idea. |
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Mar 17, 2024 18:14:12 GMT
My guess is DS had these two ready to trade, he did not get what he wanted back..... so what can I say. Good luck to both cause I like the Bs. Honestly don’t think Donnie was looking to move either goalie at the deadline…. I think what went down with the Kings was initiated by the latter and something Donnie thought would help the B’S come playoffs rather than something that would benefit the B’S down the road…. At season’s end, all options will be open…. |
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Post by islamorada on Mar 18, 2024 11:28:39 GMT
My guess is DS had these two ready to trade, he did not get what he wanted back..... so what can I say. Good luck to both cause I like the Bs. Honestly don’t think Donnie was looking to move either goalie at the deadline…. I think what went down with the Kings was initiated by the latter and something Donnie thought would help the B’S come playoffs rather than something that would benefit the B’S down the road…. At season’s end, all options will be open…. Intiating conversations just might start out with a canvassing of who is available several weeks before the TDL. Then it gets insane trying to calculate needs and wants with what is available at any given moment. The rationale that DS did not initiate could be correct, my guess is it was part of the process. A top line center was one of the directives of Cam Neely as well as a tough defender on defense. DS was in conversations albeit as a third party to the other Lindholm in Vancouver. Vancouver also has interest in Fabio. The real Jake in Pittsburgh was the target of Vancouver. So, I believe DS was interested, the package from Vancouver probably is what Pittsburgh balked as they did not want to give up too much. DS was active. |
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 18, 2024 12:23:39 GMT
My guess is DS had these two ready to trade, he did not get what he wanted back..... so what can I say. Good luck to both cause I like the Bs. I still think if a team came to Sweeney with a offer too good to refuse Swayman would be the guy going. What that offer might be i have no idea. It would have to be really good. |
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 18, 2024 13:57:29 GMT
I still think if a team came to Sweeney with a offer too good to refuse Swayman would be the guy going. What that offer might be i have no idea. It would have to be really good. Yeah, i'm not advocating for it and i believe Swayman is likely the B's long term answer in goal going forward. That being said there are quite a few crazy GM's out there and if a over the top offer was presented i don't think Sweeney would just brush it off. Ullmarkis 30 yrs so it's not like he's ancient, goalies play anywhere from mid to late 30's, in some cases longer. The Bruins goalie pipeline seems really strong so they would be dealing from a position of strength. |
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 18, 2024 14:56:25 GMT
It would have to be really good. Yeah, i'm not advocating for it and i believe Swayman is likely the B's long term answer in goal going forward. That being said there are quite a few crazy GM's out there and if a over the top offer was presented i don't think Sweeney would just brush it off. Ullmarkis 30 yrs so it's not like he's ancient, goalies play anywhere from mid to late 30's, in some cases longer. The Bruins goalie pipeline seems really strong so they would be dealing from a position of strength. Don't think Sweeney was necessarily advocating moving Ullmark. So the offer must have been good. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 18, 2024 15:45:18 GMT
My guess is DS had these two ready to trade, he did not get what he wanted back..... so what can I say. Good luck to both cause I like the Bs. I still think if a team came to Sweeney with a offer too good to refuse Swayman would be the guy going. What that offer might be i have no idea. I heard from one of the talking heads that in the course of Ullmark conversations, teams raised the prospect of Swayman and the Bruins shut it down cold. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 18, 2024 15:52:14 GMT
My guess is DS had these two ready to trade, he did not get what he wanted back..... so what can I say. Good luck to both cause I like the Bs. Honestly don’t think Donnie was looking to move either goalie at the deadline…. I think what went down with the Kings was initiated by the latter and something Donnie thought would help the B’S come playoffs rather than something that would benefit the B’S down the road…. At season’s end, all options will be open….This is where I'm hoping they are. Don't decide now what the course of action should be because you don't know how the many changes you made this season will play out in the playoffs. They chose to go bigger; they chose to go with depth rather than make a big move (maybe by necessity) to upgrade at C. They kept both goalies. They added a specialist in Shattenkirk on D to give them options to get offense from the back. And a lot of that was in reaction to the last few playoff losses where they had trouble scoring on the road when the opponent could match up Bergeron's line. If that fails, well...time to think about some bigger surgery and rebalancing where the money lives. To me, that includes keeping Ullmark and not necessarily just until the end of his deal. That would depend on a few things, of course, like if Ullmark wants to stay in Boston enough to extend at the same salary, and if they get Swayman at $7M or less long term. But I could live with $12M in net given that, other than JDB, the next big extension they have to account for is TFreddy after next year. Projections for the Cap are bullish; we could have a 100M Cap soon. Why not lock up the most important position in the game for half a decade at an elite level? |
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 18, 2024 15:56:05 GMT
It would have to be really good. Yeah, i'm not advocating for it and i believe Swayman is likely the B's long term answer in goal going forward. That being said there are quite a few crazy GM's out there and if a over the top offer was presented i don't think Sweeney would just brush it off. Ullmarkis 30 yrs so it's not like he's ancient, goalies play anywhere from mid to late 30's, in some cases longer. The Bruins goalie pipeline seems really strong so they would be dealing from a position of strength. I think this is it - I don't think Don is looking to jettison Ullmark to create cap space. I think he may have learned his lesson in 2015 on that score. But I think he recognizes that if he's going to do anything significant, he has limited chips to play, and Ullmark is a big one. Maybe not as big as we'd like because goalie trades are always a bit dicey and teams get squirrelly about giving up too much. But if someone gets over it and comes with something that will obviously make the Bruins better, I think Sweeney is prepared to go for it knowing he can bring up Bussi, and if he falters, try DiPietro. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 18, 2024 16:50:39 GMT
Right now, Sweeney's best moves as GM was not dealing Root Beer or Blankey...one has been on fire ever since (that's the mental softness of 74) and the other also playing well since the deadline too, and while Roadhouse is looking like he is turning into a sieve late in games especially. Let's face it, 90 percent of the fans were hoping Ulmark was gone for something and I keep reminding people what has given you any reason to think Swayman is a playoff for sure goalie? I don't see anything but what I've seen his whole career. He can play great for 50 minutes and just as easily cough up goal after goal late in games...As for 74, the team is like what 23-1-1 when he scores points..seems like when he is playing Winter Classic version, the team wins...He just doesn't score enough overall, but when he is on a roll, the B's are often on a roll...it's not a coincidence. Both guys have had their moments of bad this season, and yet at the end of the day, both are needed probably if the B's want to win a Cup. Not saying 35 will overtake 1, just saying kind of nice to have 2 goalies and not 1 when playoffs happen. Go B's I would put Jake DeBrusk's "mental softness" in the context if it was easy enough to do. But I think ever since Sulkgate, no player is more likely to get tagged with that label than Jake. Which I think means he gets less appreciation from Bruins fans than he probably should. How much should he get? I dunno. Not Connor McDavid love. But more than being nicknamed for a float and routinely called soft. He has admitted that he's not having the productive year he expected after setting a career high last year, but he's also a long way from the COVID silly season slump. He's over half a point/game. But the most impressive thing to me is that he has fully answered the challenge from Cassidy re: what do you contribute if you're not scoring. He's a much, much better player all over the ice than he was three years ago. He's become an excellent PK guy, and has the second best +/- among Bruins forwards after Pastrnak. He goes to the net with and without the puck. He uses his speed to create space for others. He's good at playing the system. He backchecks. He's noticeably one of their more responsible guys covering pinching D. And he has as many assists as goals - more - which I think shows he's using his teammates better. I think that's all important to the team being at the top of the stack right now. But is he ever going to be an elite scorer? Will he top 30g at some point? I don't know. I don't know if you can play the kind of game he's playing now and expect to do that unless you're on the top line and play 18-20 min a night. That said, there's absolutely a double standard with Jake vs. binkies around the league. If you point out that a Binkie is not very productive at ES and needs PP1 time to put up good numbers, or that Binkie scored 5 more goals than JDB last year, but he scored more than half of his goals in one week in November when he had two hatties and two two goal games - and it took the rest of the year to score that many again; or that Binkie is more dependent on playing with a superstar for his numbers than JDB is for his...well, people lose their noodles. For example, at even strength, DeBrusk has just 5 fewer points over the last three seasons than RNH and he plays about 3 minutes less per game and never on the wing with McDavid. He's also +45 to RNH's +26. Eberle has 12 more ES points, but in 15 more games. He's a minus player and plays about a minute more per game than DeBrusk. Lafreniere - 3 more points in 20 more games. He's tied with Ryan O'Reilly and Ryan Strome. And if you look just at goals, he has the same number as DeBrincat in 25 fewer games. Same as Fiala. 3 back of Stamkos and 4 back of Marner. But yeah...he's a little streaky. From December 28-Jan 22, he had 8-6-14 in 14 games. He got shut out against Carolina and Ottawa, then it was the All-Star and they all came back drunk. He had a long slump after that, but is now 9 points in 8 games. Put those two streaks together and for more than a quarter of the season, he's been better than a point/game scorer. But he started slow (under .5 points/game) and then had this big slump between his two streaks. But if he wasn't streaky, he'd be an $8M+ player. I think he's the kind of guy you want three of on your team at decent salaries. Guys who get paid like 20 goal scorers who contribute something every night whether it's PK or energy or defense but who have the potential when they're hot to score like 35 goal scorers/point per game players. And you hope they all line up the hot streaks with the playoffs. |
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Mar 18, 2024 17:36:17 GMT
Honestly don’t think Donnie was looking to move either goalie at the deadline…. I think what went down with the Kings was initiated by the latter and something Donnie thought would help the B’S come playoffs rather than something that would benefit the B’S down the road…. At season’s end, all options will be open….This is where I'm hoping they are. Don't decide now what the course of action should be because you don't know how the many changes you made this season will play out in the playoffs. They chose to go bigger; they chose to go with depth rather than make a big move (maybe by necessity) to upgrade at C. They kept both goalies. They added a specialist in Shattenkirk on D to give them options to get offense from the back. And a lot of that was in reaction to the last few playoff losses where they had trouble scoring on the road when the opponent could match up Bergeron's line. If that fails, well...time to think about some bigger surgery and rebalancing where the money lives. To me, that includes keeping Ullmark and not necessarily just until the end of his deal. That would depend on a few things, of course, like if Ullmark wants to stay in Boston enough to extend at the same salary, and if they get Swayman at $7M or less long term. But I could live with $12M in net given that, other than JDB, the next big extension they have to account for is TFreddy after next year. Projections for the Cap are bullish; we could have a 100M Cap soon. Why not lock up the most important position in the game for half a decade at an elite level? All I meant by “all options are open” is whether Donnie deals Linus for immediate help or for down the road…. Also hope Donnie doesn’t start throwing money at Jakey just because he’s all that remains from the trio of first rounders from Donnie’s initial draft…. I’d give Jakey a very short leash or let him walk and use that money on some other 20 or so goal getter…. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 18, 2024 18:43:48 GMT
This is where I'm hoping they are. Don't decide now what the course of action should be because you don't know how the many changes you made this season will play out in the playoffs. They chose to go bigger; they chose to go with depth rather than make a big move (maybe by necessity) to upgrade at C. They kept both goalies. They added a specialist in Shattenkirk on D to give them options to get offense from the back. And a lot of that was in reaction to the last few playoff losses where they had trouble scoring on the road when the opponent could match up Bergeron's line. If that fails, well...time to think about some bigger surgery and rebalancing where the money lives. To me, that includes keeping Ullmark and not necessarily just until the end of his deal. That would depend on a few things, of course, like if Ullmark wants to stay in Boston enough to extend at the same salary, and if they get Swayman at $7M or less long term. But I could live with $12M in net given that, other than JDB, the next big extension they have to account for is TFreddy after next year. Projections for the Cap are bullish; we could have a 100M Cap soon. Why not lock up the most important position in the game for half a decade at an elite level? All I meant by “all options are open” is whether Donnie deals Linus for immediate help or for down the road…. Also hope Donnie doesn’t start throwing money at Jakey just because he’s all that remains from the trio of first rounders from Donnie’s initial draft…. I’d give Jakey a very short leash or let him walk and use that money on some other 20 or so goal getter…. I think if you're not considering keeping Ullmark as an option, you're painting yourself into a corner. It is far more likely that you bleed out slowly trying to make multiple deals to get to what you actually need than that you'll finally hit the jackpot. And I said what I needed to say about DeBrusk above. I think Bruins fans are so pissy about him asking for a trade when he was slumping and quite probably depressed three years ago that they overlook the fact he's likely going to top 20 goals and have his second best point total of his career all while playing more PK than ever in his career and less PP than all but his slump. And that's typical of just looking at the scoring stats and not his overall game combined with having formed a strong bias when he was behaving like a chump and not giving him credit for how much his game has evolved. I'm not sure I'd capitulate and give him $6M, but I would put him over $5M because that's what a player like him is worth now. Ottawa is crying for guys who play the way DeBrusk does now, and if Staios is as smart as people say, I have no doubt he's got a scenario in his pocket where they come after JDB to complement their core. |
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