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Post by thanx4memORRies on Apr 3, 2024 13:16:48 GMT
Well deserved shutout by Linus in Nashville. Looks like FL is tanking for toronto Looking at the standings, they now only lead the Laffs by 4 and Toronto has two in hand. Panthers have the tiebreaker but...it could be a close call for home ice in the first round. And home ice advantage means diddly squat….
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Post by 50belowzero on Apr 3, 2024 13:41:19 GMT
Looking at the standings, they now only lead the Laffs by 4 and Toronto has two in hand. Panthers have the tiebreaker but...it could be a close call for home ice in the first round. And home ice advantage means diddly squat…. I don't agree with that. I think home ice is an advantage if the series goes 7 games. It doesn't mean the home team wins but i think they would rather play it in the familiar confines of their home arena and with their fans. The team has to deliver but the fans can give the home team a boost or influence the refs. Just my opinion.
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Post by seobrien on Apr 3, 2024 13:43:30 GMT
That was some really great hockey being played last night by both teams. The closest 3-0 game I may have ever seen.
B's were fast and focused. Dialed in with playoff intensity. There were no passengers at all.
A real joy to watch.
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Post by 50belowzero on Apr 3, 2024 13:45:12 GMT
B's looking good after 2, big break on Josi missing a wide open net, Ullmark sharp, Saros not bad either. Only down side is Brassiere getting hurt, hopefully not serious. B's win the 3rd and win the game, Panthers skid continues, getting beat by the Scabs. And boy do they hate losing. Monitoring last 7 min on alternate tv. Check out the box score. Fla with multiple slashing, roughing, high sticking plus 2 misconducts. Four men in the box at one point. Yep, that's the thing with Maurice and his crew, greasy and most of their penalties are stick fouls, roughing with the linesmen around, very few actual fights and certainly not Tkachuk, he's afraid of actually dropping the mitts. He wasn't playing last night though i believe.
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Post by #4 Bobby Orr! GOAT! on Apr 3, 2024 13:53:21 GMT
Was a wicked game.
I called a Marchand shortie but he only got the assist.
Pasta played with a lot more heart, reminded me of a few years ago. His play on the 2nd goal was awesome. His blind rip at the empty net was also good. That’s the kind of play I want from him.
Lohrei and Shatt moved the puck very well. I liked it a lot
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Post by kelvana33 on Apr 3, 2024 14:17:55 GMT
One of Pastrnak's better games, Ullmark played as good as a I've ever seen him play but McAvoy and Peake played their best games of the year. Peake is starting look more and more one of DS's better moves.
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Post by Lord Markwart on Apr 3, 2024 14:21:34 GMT
*Intense game. Nashville could definitely give some top West Coast top teams some problems.
*Lohrei still worries me immensely. For every 3 good plays he makes, he seems to make an egregious error that results in a golden opportunity. Linus and others bailed him out last night but would much rather have Silver Spoon in there come playoff time. In tight games, these errors can be the difference.
*Bummed about Brazzers. Hope he can get back soon.
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Post by dannycater on Apr 3, 2024 14:33:52 GMT
Was a wicked game. I called a Marchand shortie but he only got the assist. Pasta played with a lot more heart, reminded me of a few years ago. His play on the 2nd goal was awesome. His blind rip at the empty net was also good. That’s the kind of play I want from him. Lohrei and Shatt moved the puck very well. I liked it a lot That last line...that's why 48 is not needed. He can't match the puck movement of the other 2 and the other 2 add more from an offensive aspect. Only one of the 2 mentioned will be in the lineup probably at one time in playoffs. but 48 really should be Popcorn Balcony regular in postseason. Carlo played great to me, had a dazzling block to save 6 on a giveaway.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Apr 3, 2024 14:33:55 GMT
And home ice advantage means diddly squat…. I don't agree with that. I think home ice is an advantage if the series goes 7 games. It doesn't mean the home team wins but i think they would rather play it in the familiar confines of their home arena and with their fans. The team has to deliver but the fans can give the home team a boost or influence the refs. Just my opinion. Or make the players of the home team squeeze the sticks a little tighter…. The days of intimidation for opposing players or refs being chased following the game are long gone…. Actually might hurt the home team in terms of officiating since the refs don’t want to show that they were influenced by the surroundings….
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Post by dannycater on Apr 3, 2024 14:34:58 GMT
12 continues to be misused in games he plays...12 should be on #1 PP, 73 needs to concentrate on 5 on 5 minutes and PK and late defense minutes. Rest him during PP.
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Post by seobrien on Apr 3, 2024 14:38:06 GMT
One of Pastrnak's better games, Ullmark played as good as a I've ever seen him play but McAvoy and Peake played their best games of the year. Peake is starting look more and more one of DS's better moves. Peake: He was noticeably good. Very impressed. If he can play like that in the playoffs, it will be a huge boon. Didn't miss Gryz or Lauko on the least. But because Brassiere is hurt, we'll see Lauko (sound and fury signifying nothing) again. Unfortunately, you just know they'll play Gryz in the playoffs and bench Lohrei. Which stinks because you can see practically see Lorhei growing into his role on a game to game basis. I thought he was awesome last night.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Apr 3, 2024 14:44:39 GMT
*Intense game. Nashville could definitely give some top West Coast top teams some problems. *Lohrei still worries me immensely. For every 3 good plays he makes, he seems to make an egregious error that results in a golden opportunity. Linus and others bailed him out last night but would much rather have Silver Spoon in there come playoff time. In tight games, these errors can be the difference. *Bummed about Brazzers. Hope he can get back soon. Agree…. Lohrei’s in for a rough ride once the playoffs begin…. His defensive game isn’t there yet and he needs to add some muscle this off-season….
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 3, 2024 15:09:31 GMT
*Intense game. Nashville could definitely give some top West Coast top teams some problems. *Lohrei still worries me immensely. For every 3 good plays he makes, he seems to make an egregious error that results in a golden opportunity. Linus and others bailed him out last night but would much rather have Silver Spoon in there come playoff time. In tight games, these errors can be the difference. *Bummed about Brazzers. Hope he can get back soon. Agree…. Lohrei’s in for a rough ride once the playoffs begin…. His defensive game isn’t there yet and he needs to add some muscle this off-season…. Yeah, it's little things like gap control. He's fine until he gets spooked or gets caught just a little and then he'll back off. Think he's going to be a good player long term but it's the old Scotty Bowman line that you don't know what a D is until he plays 200 games.
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 3, 2024 15:20:49 GMT
Looking at the standings, they now only lead the Laffs by 4 and Toronto has two in hand. Panthers have the tiebreaker but...it could be a close call for home ice in the first round. And home ice advantage means diddly squat…. I think this is like plus-minus in that people used to over-react to it one way and they're now over-reacting to it the other way. The problem with assessing "home-ice advantage" is that there's no control group so you don't know if the higher seeded team was just a better team - that's why they're higher seeded - or because they had last change 4 times to the opponent's three. There have been a few years recently where it sure seemed like home ice didn't matter, and of course Florida never had home ice on their PoW Trophy run last year. It might be impossible to generalize what home ice advantage really is, but you certainly see it operating in some series. A team like Carolina is notoriously hard to beat when Brind'Amour can match. Two years ago, they dominated the Bruins in Carolina, but the Bruins pushed it to 7 by winning in Boston. If the Bruins played Game 7 in Boston, they might have taken the series. And I think Florida might have some of that DNA, especially against Toronto or a team like Toronto that relies heavily on a top line. Bennett, meet Matthews. Matthews, meet Benn...hey! Sam! Stop biting! And get your stick out of there!
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 3, 2024 15:22:24 GMT
12 continues to be misused in games he plays...12 should be on #1 PP, 73 needs to concentrate on 5 on 5 minutes and PK and late defense minutes. Rest him during PP. It's worth a shot if the PP continues to struggle. Maybe he'd find a way to get Marchand a goal.
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Post by drewski6 on Apr 3, 2024 15:57:06 GMT
And home ice advantage means diddly squat…. I think this is like plus-minus in that people used to over-react to it one way and they're now over-reacting to it the other way. The problem with assessing "home-ice advantage" is that there's no control group so you don't know if the higher seeded team was just a better team - that's why they're higher seeded - or because they had last change 4 times to the opponent's three. There have been a few years recently where it sure seemed like home ice didn't matter, and of course Florida never had home ice on their PoW Trophy run last year. It might be impossible to generalize what home ice advantage really is, but you certainly see it operating in some series. A team like Carolina is notoriously hard to beat when Brind'Amour can match. Two years ago, they dominated the Bruins in Carolina, but the Bruins pushed it to 7 by winning in Boston. If the Bruins played Game 7 in Boston, they might have taken the series. And I think Florida might have some of that DNA, especially against Toronto or a team like Toronto that relies heavily on a top line. Bennett, meet Matthews. Matthews, meet Benn...hey! Sam! Stop biting! And get your stick out of there! Maybe the advantage of playing at home is somewhere between the advantage it gives you in other sports and "diddly squat" Its obvs not diddly squat, but thanx4memorries was prob being hyperbolic - which we all do. He prob moreso meant its overrated. And it prob is. But any increase in % chance of winning helps.
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 3, 2024 15:57:40 GMT
Was a wicked game. I called a Marchand shortie but he only got the assist. Pasta played with a lot more heart, reminded me of a few years ago. His play on the 2nd goal was awesome. His blind rip at the empty net was also good. That’s the kind of play I want from him. Lohrei and Shatt moved the puck very well. I liked it a lot That last line...that's why 48 is not needed. He can't match the puck movement of the other 2 and the other 2 add more from an offensive aspect. Only one of the 2 mentioned will be in the lineup probably at one time in playoffs. but 48 really should be Popcorn Balcony regular in postseason. Carlo played great to me, had a dazzling block to save 6 on a giveaway. They had a good game, but both have had good games in the past. If they played like last night all the time (outside of Lohrei's penalty and a few other yips), you probably never see Grz again. But they don't play like that and the good will will evaporate the first time Lohrei has a -2 game that actually has consequences. Same with Shatzy, but I'm less concerned that people might sour on him. Lohrei will be here a long time. Shatzy probably moves on at the end of the year. Can't argue with results; worth noting though that the guys who supposedly contribute more offense were the only D who weren't on the ice for a goal by the Bruins. I think, with the way Peake has played and the fact he's a much larger D, that 4 of the 6 D spots are locked for the playoffs. Shatzy, Lohrei, Wotherspoon and Grz will be battling for the scraps, and call me naive, but I am relying on the coaches to make the right choices. In my mind, though, against Tampa or Toronto, I want my best penalty-killing 6D. So that gets Wotherspoon in the mix. I also intend to play Hampus with Chuck, so Grz being the McA-whisperer isn't really a consideration. And I'm going to be thinking about the need for some size as well as the importance of special teams - though i don't want a duel of PP with either of those first round opponents. Grz gets in if any of the other three can't handle the playoffs, and I'm not going to be afraid to use him because the one thing I can count on with him is that he's generally good at minimizing his liabilities. Wotherspoon, Lohrei and Peake all have zero playoff experience, and we all know that it's a different beast. This is where, though, you probably get your Shattenkirk wish. He has a ring, and he has a pretty good history of production in the playoffs when he's made them. So that's where I start: HampusChuck, Wotherspoon-Carlo, Shattenkirk-Peake.
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Post by dezaruchi on Apr 3, 2024 16:05:40 GMT
I don't agree with that. I think home ice is an advantage if the series goes 7 games. It doesn't mean the home team wins but i think they would rather play it in the familiar confines of their home arena and with their fans. The team has to deliver but the fans can give the home team a boost or influence the refs. Just my opinion. Or make the players of the home team squeeze the sticks a little tighter…. The days of intimidation for opposing players or refs being chased following the game are long gone…. Actually might hurt the home team in terms of officiating since the refs don’t want to show that they were influenced by the surroundings…. Just having the last change can be a huge advantage in a game 7.
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 3, 2024 16:09:44 GMT
I think this is like plus-minus in that people used to over-react to it one way and they're now over-reacting to it the other way. The problem with assessing "home-ice advantage" is that there's no control group so you don't know if the higher seeded team was just a better team - that's why they're higher seeded - or because they had last change 4 times to the opponent's three. There have been a few years recently where it sure seemed like home ice didn't matter, and of course Florida never had home ice on their PoW Trophy run last year. It might be impossible to generalize what home ice advantage really is, but you certainly see it operating in some series. A team like Carolina is notoriously hard to beat when Brind'Amour can match. Two years ago, they dominated the Bruins in Carolina, but the Bruins pushed it to 7 by winning in Boston. If the Bruins played Game 7 in Boston, they might have taken the series. And I think Florida might have some of that DNA, especially against Toronto or a team like Toronto that relies heavily on a top line. Bennett, meet Matthews. Matthews, meet Benn...hey! Sam! Stop biting! And get your stick out of there! Maybe the advantage of playing at home is somewhere between the advantage it gives you in other sports and "diddly squat" Its obvs not diddly squat, but thanx4memorries was prob being hyperbolic - which we all do. He prob moreso meant its overrated. And it prob is. But any increase in % chance of winning helps. Yeah, and I guess I'm just digging down into why or what "home ice advantage" means now that so many of the buildings are standardized. In football, it means more when you're an outdoor team in a cold weather part of the country playing a playoff game against the Dolphins or the Colts or any other dome team who might be built for a fast track but not for snow and numb hands. Or maybe you have a stadium that helps you ramp up the decibels so much that you can create challenges for the opponent that your offense won't face. There's something tangible there. Baseball, it's almost the opposite of hockey in that every park has it's own dimensions. If you play home games in a band box, you gets some fly ball hitters and ground ball pitchers. Short porch in left? RH power, RH starters. You can design your team to take advantage. It was that way in the 70s when the Garden gave you no room to hide from a grinding physical team. Or the Aud. All the old buildings had their peculiarities and you could fine tune a team around them. Not now. That leaves things like last change as the main levers to exercise home ice advantage. And as thanx points out, that has to counter some of the things we now see as disadvantages of playing at home. Squeezing the stick in front of the home crowd. Up late with a sick kid. Arguing with the wife about whether or not she took your phone. I think it really is case by case. How much can a team devise a gameplan to take advantage of last change etc? Sometimes it's a lot, sometimes it's pretty neutral.
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Post by dannycater on Apr 3, 2024 16:45:14 GMT
That last line...that's why 48 is not needed. He can't match the puck movement of the other 2 and the other 2 add more from an offensive aspect. Only one of the 2 mentioned will be in the lineup probably at one time in playoffs. but 48 really should be Popcorn Balcony regular in postseason. Carlo played great to me, had a dazzling block to save 6 on a giveaway. They had a good game, but both have had good games in the past. If they played like last night all the time (outside of Lohrei's penalty and a few other yips), you probably never see Grz again. But they don't play like that and the good will will evaporate the first time Lohrei has a -2 game that actually has consequences. Same with Shatzy, but I'm less concerned that people might sour on him. Lohrei will be here a long time. Shatzy probably moves on at the end of the year. Can't argue with results; worth noting though that the guys who supposedly contribute more offense were the only D who weren't on the ice for a goal by the Bruins. I think, with the way Peake has played and the fact he's a much larger D, that 4 of the 6 D spots are locked for the playoffs. Shatzy, Lohrei, Wotherspoon and Grz will be battling for the scraps, and call me naive, but I am relying on the coaches to make the right choices. In my mind, though, against Tampa or Toronto, I want my best penalty-killing 6D. So that gets Wotherspoon in the mix. I also intend to play Hampus with Chuck, so Grz being the McA-whisperer isn't really a consideration. And I'm going to be thinking about the need for some size as well as the importance of special teams - though i don't want a duel of PP with either of those first round opponents. Grz gets in if any of the other three can't handle the playoffs, and I'm not going to be afraid to use him because the one thing I can count on with him is that he's generally good at minimizing his liabilities. Wotherspoon, Lohrei and Peake all have zero playoff experience, and we all know that it's a different beast. This is where, though, you probably get your Shattenkirk wish. He has a ring, and he has a pretty good history of production in the playoffs when he's made them. So that's where I start: HampusChuck, Wotherspoon-Carlo, Shattenkirk-Peake. Never thrilled when Wotherspoon is healthy scratched even for Lowrider...but rather than 6/12 than 48. Take your wins as a fan there.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Apr 3, 2024 17:24:03 GMT
And home ice advantage means diddly squat…. I think this is like plus-minus in that people used to over-react to it one way and they're now over-reacting to it the other way. The problem with assessing "home-ice advantage" is that there's no control group so you don't know if the higher seeded team was just a better team - that's why they're higher seeded - or because they had last change 4 times to the opponent's three. There have been a few years recently where it sure seemed like home ice didn't matter, and of course Florida never had home ice on their PoW Trophy run last year. It might be impossible to generalize what home ice advantage really is, but you certainly see it operating in some series. A team like Carolina is notoriously hard to beat when Brind'Amour can match. Two years ago, they dominated the Bruins in Carolina, but the Bruins pushed it to 7 by winning in Boston. If the Bruins played Game 7 in Boston, they might have taken the series. And I think Florida might have some of that DNA, especially against Toronto or a team like Toronto that relies heavily on a top line. Bennett, meet Matthews. Matthews, meet Benn...hey! Sam! Stop biting! And get your stick out of there! I see it more important having that advantage to begin a series where taking the opening two games can put the other team on its heels…. More often than not the first two are split and that home ice advantage is taken away early on…. To me game seven is a toss up nowadays at best for the home team….
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Post by drewski6 on Apr 3, 2024 17:52:51 GMT
Maybe the advantage of playing at home is somewhere between the advantage it gives you in other sports and "diddly squat" Its obvs not diddly squat, but thanx4memorries was prob being hyperbolic - which we all do. He prob moreso meant its overrated. And it prob is. But any increase in % chance of winning helps. Yeah, and I guess I'm just digging down into why or what "home ice advantage" means now that so many of the buildings are standardized. In football, it means more when you're an outdoor team in a cold weather part of the country playing a playoff game against the Dolphins or the Colts or any other dome team who might be built for a fast track but not for snow and numb hands. Or maybe you have a stadium that helps you ramp up the decibels so much that you can create challenges for the opponent that your offense won't face. There's something tangible there. Baseball, it's almost the opposite of hockey in that every park has it's own dimensions. If you play home games in a band box, you gets some fly ball hitters and ground ball pitchers. Short porch in left? RH power, RH starters. You can design your team to take advantage. It was that way in the 70s when the Garden gave you no room to hide from a grinding physical team. Or the Aud. All the old buildings had their peculiarities and you could fine tune a team around them. Not now. That leaves things like last change as the main levers to exercise home ice advantage. And as thanx points out, that has to counter some of the things we now see as disadvantages of playing at home. Squeezing the stick in front of the home crowd. Up late with a sick kid. Arguing with the wife about whether or not she took your phone. I think it really is case by case. How much can a team devise a gameplan to take advantage of last change etc? Sometimes it's a lot, sometimes it's pretty neutral. Travel is draining, sleeping in hotels, unfamiliarity with location....SOme people just sleep better at home. Dont know how much this stuff impacts, but I would assume that over the last 3 years, the overall home % is higher (dont want to use playoffs because the better team has more home games like you point out previous post, so it doesnt isolate the variable of "how much does home help") Sure, there are distractions being at home also.
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Post by drewski6 on Apr 3, 2024 17:53:19 GMT
Speaking for myself, I drink more when Im work travelling (boredom)
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 3, 2024 18:19:30 GMT
I think this is like plus-minus in that people used to over-react to it one way and they're now over-reacting to it the other way. The problem with assessing "home-ice advantage" is that there's no control group so you don't know if the higher seeded team was just a better team - that's why they're higher seeded - or because they had last change 4 times to the opponent's three. There have been a few years recently where it sure seemed like home ice didn't matter, and of course Florida never had home ice on their PoW Trophy run last year. It might be impossible to generalize what home ice advantage really is, but you certainly see it operating in some series. A team like Carolina is notoriously hard to beat when Brind'Amour can match. Two years ago, they dominated the Bruins in Carolina, but the Bruins pushed it to 7 by winning in Boston. If the Bruins played Game 7 in Boston, they might have taken the series. And I think Florida might have some of that DNA, especially against Toronto or a team like Toronto that relies heavily on a top line. Bennett, meet Matthews. Matthews, meet Benn...hey! Sam! Stop biting! And get your stick out of there! I see it more important having that advantage to begin a series where taking the opening two games can put the other team on its heels…. More often than not the first two are split and that home ice advantage is taken away early on…. To me game seven is a toss up nowadays at best for the home team…. Yeah, and that's the one area where I think I'd prefer starting on the road. Think about the usual storylines we get fed. Visiting team just needs to win one of the first two and that's a victory. Home team doesn't win both, and they've given up something they fought for all year. And if the visiting team doesn't win one of the first two, they haven't really lost anything until you've lost a game at home. I find all of that really lends itself to the visiting team coming in with a hunter mentality while the home team has all the weight of expectations, and that weight is bigger when you're the 1 and they're the 8. The other thing I find these days is that there aren't that many tacticians behind the bench. Lots of "we just concentrate on playing Bruins hockey and put our faith in that." Teams spend all year perfecting a system, so they're really hesitant to tweak it too much for the playoffs. It's like they think it's an acknowledgement that they can't win if they don't go to extraordinary measures. But I used to like the narratives when you'd see how a team decided to attack an opponent - like the teams that would always throw the puck into Ray's corner and then try to lay the body on him and wear him down. The Bruins would have beaten Chicago if they hadn't switched up their forecheck to send a big body in on Chara and a second quicker guy to retrieve the puck and make a play while Chara was stapled to the boards. Claude didn't adjust. I'm stuck on the idea that winning teams first need a culture, then a strategy, and then tactics and that it's almost impossible for the same coach to do all three. Most of the time, if a coach takes a team from zero to sixty, it's because he can do one of these exceptionally well, and another reasonably well, and the third is a crap shoot. Claude won because the team had a crazy culture born out of historic adversity after a huge collapse, and an excellent strategy that they put all their faith in ... and it worked. But they had no tactics.
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 3, 2024 18:20:09 GMT
Speaking for myself, I drink more when Im work travelling (boredom) I love me a good hotel bar.
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