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Post by badhabitude on May 13, 2016 12:31:00 GMT
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Post by walktheline on May 13, 2016 14:24:41 GMT
I heard that this morning on my commute. I have no respect for this idiot. His dirtbag lawyer is claiming his dirtbag client is plagued by "injuries, pain and other challenges". Does that explain why he was busted while doing crack with a prostitute? I think it's mostly the "other challenges" that are Stevens' problem, the biggest challenge being that he's a piece of garbage. Using is one thing but he crossed into the realm of scumbaggery by dealing oxy to help ruin other peoples lives. But hey, a guy has to make a living. How embarrassing for his family. His son was drafted last year and will be starting at Yale this fall. Maybe Crackhead Kevin and Sticky Fingers Nilan can share a cell someday soon?.
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Post by badhabitude on May 13, 2016 14:31:00 GMT
When I totally lost respect for Stevens was when he and Neely were benched by Kaspar. Stevens was chatting away at Cam a mile a minute, looked like he was joking. Cam did not respond, but just was staring blankly out onto the ice.
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Post by walktheline on May 13, 2016 14:52:37 GMT
When I totally lost respect for Stevens was when he and Neely were benched by Kaspar. Stevens was chatting away at Cam a mile a minute, looked like he was joking. Cam did not respond, but just was staring blankly out onto the ice. Yeah, I remember that...Cam looked like he wanted to kill somebody (probably Kasper) and Stevens looked like he was fine with it. I was ok with benching Stevens because he looked like he needed a kick in the arse. But benching Neely was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen a coach make. Kasper must have gotten into Stevens' stash
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on May 13, 2016 15:01:47 GMT
I heard that this morning on my commute. I have no respect for this idiot. His dirtbag lawyer is claiming his dirtbag client is plagued by "injuries, pain and other challenges". Does that explain why he was busted while doing crack with a prostitute? I think it's mostly the "other challenges" that are Stevens' problem, the biggest challenge being that he's a piece of garbage. Using is one thing but he crossed into the realm of scumbaggery by dealing oxy to help ruin other peoples lives. But hey, a guy has to make a living. How embarrassing for his family. His son was drafted last year and will be starting at Yale this fall. Maybe Crackhead Kevin and Sticky Fingers Nilan can share a cell someday soon?. What makes it worse is no one else would give Stevens a job but Lemieux gave him a job, as a scout, then this moron turns around and does this.
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Post by Fletcher on May 13, 2016 15:28:38 GMT
What is it with these Boston-bred hockey players from the 80's-90's being such thugs? Nylan, Tibbetts, Stevens, etc. I feel like NHL players rarely get arrested compared to other sports. Apparently Boston is raising 'em a little different than all those humble farmboys from Canada...
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Post by walktheline on May 13, 2016 16:15:57 GMT
What is it with these Boston-bred hockey players from the 80's-90's being such thugs? Nylan, Tibbetts, Stevens, etc. I feel like NHL players rarely get arrested compared to other sports. Apparently Boston is raising 'em a little different than all those humble farmboys from Canada... Hadn't really thought about that. But now that you mention it a friend of mine who played at BC back in the early 80's has told me what the greater Boston hockey world was like then compared to recent years. Lots of blue collar kids, some without the best background or guidance to help them once they had some success. I don't think Stevens was really one of those types, just a knucklehead who got rich during the heyday of the coke/crack era. The Hayes boys are from Dorchester which a generation ago would have meant they probably come from a so-so background. But they are from a middle-class family and grew up with some advantages and a good balance. My wife's sis owns a house in Dorchester that has been in the family for 3 generations. Without doing much to the house it has gone from being worth around $250k about 20 years ago to being appraised at just under $1m recently. I remember Tom Barrasso was sort of disrespected by a lot of the Boston kids because he came from Acton which is middle to upper middle-class. The hockey kids from Boston aren't the same breed as those from the 70's and 80's. They're more likely to be spoiled, entitled punks than potential criminals.
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Post by badhabitude on May 13, 2016 16:47:44 GMT
What is it with these Boston-bred hockey players from the 80's-90's being such thugs? Nylan, Tibbetts, Stevens, etc. I feel like NHL players rarely get arrested compared to other sports. Apparently Boston is raising 'em a little different than all those humble farmboys from Canada... Hadn't really thought about that. But now that you mention it a friend of mine who played at BC back in the early 80's has told me what the greater Boston hockey world was like then compared to recent years. Lots of blue collar kids, some without the best background or guidance to help them once they had some success. I don't think Stevens was really one of those types, just a knucklehead who got rich during the heyday of the coke/crack era. The Hayes boys are from Dorchester which a generation ago would have meant they probably come from a so-so background. But they are from a middle-class family and grew up with some advantages and a good balance. My wife's sis owns a house in Dorchester that has been in the family for 3 generations. Without doing much to the house it has gone from being worth around $250k about 20 years ago to being appraised at just under $1m recently. I remember Tom Barrasso was sort of disrespected by a lot of the Boston kids because he came from Acton which is middle to upper middle-class. The hockey kids from Boston aren't the same breed as those from the 70's and 80's. They're more likely to be spoiled, entitled punks than potential criminals. Boston and vicinity had more crime and violence back then. The Heyday of Bulger and his gang, Southie was a war zone. I have heard one theory that it was leaded gasoline - the lead getting into the air and all of them breathing it in the city. I don't know what the cause was, but it was the wild west for a while. Now its all pretty tame in comparison.
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Post by kelvana33 on May 13, 2016 16:53:48 GMT
What is it with these Boston-bred hockey players from the 80's-90's being such thugs? Nylan, Tibbetts, Stevens, etc. I feel like NHL players rarely get arrested compared to other sports. Apparently Boston is raising 'em a little different than all those humble farmboys from Canada... Have dealt with all 3. Nilan is a loser who can be a real dick. Tibbetts is an asshole in every sense of the word. Come from tons of money and is an entitled asshole who even treats those closest to him like shit. As for Stevens, he stuggles with substance abuse, what a fall from grace. Awesome hockey career, had a beautiful wife, family but the shit got a hold of him. For all is problems, at least he's a nice guy, wouldn't hurt a fly. Mario has a soft spot in his heart for Kevin Stevens, keeps giving him jobs/chances but Kevin just cant stay on the straight and narrow. Too bad too, like I said, real nice guy. Looks like something right out of Sopranos these days.
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Post by 50belowzero on May 13, 2016 17:09:53 GMT
Addiction can take good people to bad places, nice people, kind people, from all walks of life. No matter the help people with addictions get, the second chances, the family and friend support, the dryout clinics, for some people it just doesn't work or they can't grasp it until they hit rock bottom. Even when they hit rock bottom and faced with death, with loved ones begging them to stay sober, they can't do it. I do not know Kevin Stevens other than he was a hell of a hockey player. I cannot judge him as i don't know the full story and even then, who am i ? I hope he can redeem himself but it seems that it might come too late for him. Nilan is another story, never cared for him as a player, and from what I've heard from him since he "sobered" up, i haven't really liked either, but that is just my opinion. Is Nilan actually sobered up? Have read conflicting reports.
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Post by kelvana33 on May 13, 2016 17:24:26 GMT
Addiction can take good people to bad places, nice people, kind people, from all walks of life. No matter the help people with addictions get, the second chances, the family and friend support, the dryout clinics, for some people it just doesn't work or they can't grasp it until they hit rock bottom. Even when they hit rock bottom and faced with death, with loved ones begging them to stay sober, they can't do it. I do not know Kevin Stevens other than he was a hell of a hockey player. I cannot judge him as i don't know the full story and even then, who am i ? I hope he can redeem himself but it seems that it might come too late for him. Nilan is another story, never cared for him as a player, and from what I've heard from him since he "sobered" up, i haven't really liked either, but that is just my opinion. Is Nilan actually sobered up? Have read conflicting reports.Last I heard he did sober up and had a sports radio gig in Montreal. When I last dealt with him he was 50 or so but looked 70ish with the sunken in face etc..
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Post by sobchack on May 13, 2016 20:35:54 GMT
What is it with these Boston-bred hockey players from the 80's-90's being such thugs? Nylan, Tibbetts, Stevens, etc. I feel like NHL players rarely get arrested compared to other sports. Apparently Boston is raising 'em a little different than all those humble farmboys from Canada... I grew up literally 5 houses down from Nilan, on Park Street in West Roxbury. He was about 10 years older than me and the guys I hung around with. I played on the Parkway team as a kid (and he would come watch us) Badhab kind of nailed it when he talks about the 70s-80s in Boston. WRox was more of a blue-collar nabe back then. Now, it's gentrified. It wasn't as rough and tumble as Southie, but it was the kind of place that one way beyond a future as a car mechanic or construction or something was to get a scholarship to some college. Nilan was good enough to make it to Northeastern. We all kind of looked up to him as a local hero. His family were nice folks, but he was...well...a little long on the attitude. He was the guy who'd hang on a corner and just bust chops on others. He would look for fights with kids who came from other neighborhoods to hang out. That's why they put him in youth hockey... When he made the pros, he would come back and visit. He was really changed at that point - gracious, calmer, would play street hockey with us, etc. There was key difference between Nilan, Stevens types and Bobby Carpenter and Barrasso types in those days. The latter 2 came from the wealthier suburbs and didn't fall into the same situations. A lot like what you see with college football players mucking up their careers when they go pro. The environment feeds into the behavior...
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 20:51:30 GMT
Hadn't really thought about that. But now that you mention it a friend of mine who played at BC back in the early 80's has told me what the greater Boston hockey world was like then compared to recent years. Lots of blue collar kids, some without the best background or guidance to help them once they had some success. I don't think Stevens was really one of those types, just a knucklehead who got rich during the heyday of the coke/crack era. The Hayes boys are from Dorchester which a generation ago would have meant they probably come from a so-so background. But they are from a middle-class family and grew up with some advantages and a good balance. My wife's sis owns a house in Dorchester that has been in the family for 3 generations. Without doing much to the house it has gone from being worth around $250k about 20 years ago to being appraised at just under $1m recently. I remember Tom Barrasso was sort of disrespected by a lot of the Boston kids because he came from Acton which is middle to upper middle-class. The hockey kids from Boston aren't the same breed as those from the 70's and 80's. They're more likely to be spoiled, entitled punks than potential criminals. Boston and vicinity had more crime and violence back then. The Heyday of Bulger and his gang, Southie was a war zone. I have heard one theory that it was leaded gasoline - the lead getting into the air and all of them breathing it in the city. I don't know what the cause was, but it was the wild west for a while. Now its all pretty tame in comparison. Sounds like something from "The Friends of Eddie Coyle."
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Post by Fletcher on May 13, 2016 20:57:14 GMT
If you have Netflix, 'The Last Gladiator' is basically about Nylan's life and even follows him to the present times. Definitely an A-hole, but the movie humanizes him a little too.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 20:58:25 GMT
Addiction can take good people to bad places, nice people, kind people, from all walks of life. No matter the help people with addictions get, the second chances, the family and friend support, the dryout clinics, for some people it just doesn't work or they can't grasp it until they hit rock bottom. Even when they hit rock bottom and faced with death, with loved ones begging them to stay sober, they can't do it. I do not know Kevin Stevens other than he was a hell of a hockey player. I cannot judge him as i don't know the full story and even then, who am i ? I hope he can redeem himself but it seems that it might come too late for him. Nilan is another story, never cared for him as a player, and from what I've heard from him since he "sobered" up, i haven't really liked either, but that is just my opinion. Is Nilan actually sobered up? Have read conflicting reports.Last I heard he did sober up and had a sports radio gig in Montreal. When I last dealt with him he was 50 or so but looked 70ish with the sunken in face etc.. You're right, he has his own two hour program on TSN690, but there are a conspicuous number of absences. I don't know if that's because of relapses, or maybe he goes to meetings or does outreach. He does a pretty good job. There's a documentary about NHL enforcers where he's featured, "The Last Gladiators" and he has some pretty funny (but not in a ha ha) moments, paraphrased: "I used to go out and drink at the bar all night, then I would wait, wait like "c'mon five, five o'clock c'mon" and then I started going when All My Children was on, and then The Price is Right" camera pans to Nilan..."then all of a sudden I realized someday I'd be there watching the Flinstones."
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 20:59:42 GMT
If you have Netflix, 'The Last Gladiator' is basically about Nylan's life and even follows him to the present times. Definitely an A-hole, but the movie humanizes him a little too. They did, and they gave him a ready made excuse with the number, I think 26, of surgeries he's had. But still...
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on May 13, 2016 23:54:36 GMT
If you have Netflix, 'The Last Gladiator' is basically about Nylan's life and even follows him to the present times. Definitely an A-hole, but the movie humanizes him a little too. Couldn't tell if Nilan was just trying to hype theat documentary, or not, but when he started mouthing off to a goalie, I just started channel surfing. My older cousin from Burlington used to hang out with John Carter and Steve Leach, they had nothing good to say about Nilan.
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Post by kelvana33 on May 14, 2016 2:29:00 GMT
If you have Netflix, 'The Last Gladiator' is basically about Nylan's life and even follows him to the present times. Definitely an A-hole, but the movie humanizes him a little too. Couldn't tell if Nilan was just trying to hype theat documentary, or not, but when he started mouthing off to a goalie, I just started channel surfing. My older cousin from Burlington used to hang out with John Carter and Steve Leach, they had nothing good to say about Nilan. I've heard nothing but positive stuff about Nilan ( no "y" fletch!!) from guys who played with him. I'm sure he was a good guy at the rink. Away from the rink is where his struggles are. In the documentary/movie they mention the incident he had a store in the town I work for. He absolutely tuned up a huge loss prevention officer who made the mistake of grabbing him. When I say huge, I mean a 6'4 300 pound plus brother who can handle himself. Nilan had him pleading for mercy over a stolen bathing suit.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on May 14, 2016 2:51:47 GMT
Every pro athlete has a two-sides to the story like DiPietro. You've said good things about him, which I believe, and i've heard negative ones. All I ever heard were bad things about Junior Seau, for years, but then I got to meet him and he was the nicest, friendliest pro athletes I ever met.
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Post by sobchack on May 14, 2016 7:52:17 GMT
If you have Netflix, 'The Last Gladiator' is basically about Nylan's life and even follows him to the present times. Definitely an A-hole, but the movie humanizes him a little too. Really fascinating documentary. That's the guy I remember for the most part.
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Post by goodnewsbears on May 14, 2016 11:21:39 GMT
About five years ago, there was a game between a Canadiens alumni team and a bunch of guys I know. They all came away with the same impression of Nilan. They all said he was a drunken asshole.
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Post by walktheline on May 14, 2016 12:15:19 GMT
About five years ago, there was a game between a Canadiens alumni team and a bunch of guys I know. They all came away with the same impression of Nilan. They all said he was a drunken asshole. Never met him but every, and I mean every person I know who has met him says pretty much the same thing. World class asshole. While I actually feel sorry for guys like Stevens (even though I think he's an idiot) I can't bring myself to have any sympathy for Nilan.
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Post by Fletcher on May 14, 2016 13:40:49 GMT
Yeah, you can tell just from the documentary that Nilan is just one of those guys who's never really gonna get along with anybody. Just too much of a dick, and a guy who is wired to find conflict and confrontation wherever he can.
Still, I find myself rooting for him to overcome addiction, just for his family if nothing else (who appear to be decent people).
It's funny that Lemieux keeps giving Stevens chances, because he's the same guy that always gave Billy Tibbetts chances, as I recall.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 14:03:31 GMT
Yeah, you can tell just from the documentary that Nilan is just one of those guys who's never really gonna get along with anybody. Just too much of a dick, and a guy who is wired to find conflict and confrontation wherever he can. Still, I find myself rooting for him to overcome addiction, just for his family if nothing else (who appear to be decent people). It's funny that Lemieux keeps giving Stevens chances, because he's the same guy that always gave Billy Tibbetts chances, as I recall. Mario must have gone to the Wayne Gretzky school of character judgement.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on May 14, 2016 14:14:42 GMT
If you have Netflix, 'The Last Gladiator' is basically about Nylan's life and even follows him to the present times. Definitely an A-hole, but the movie humanizes him a little too. Really fascinating documentary. That's the guy I remember for the most part. Seems like Nilan was two-people and those personalities fought each other ?
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