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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Sept 6, 2016 20:48:20 GMT
Give me an example, that the demorcrats did, of something simular, as trying to something close, to changing voter ID laws in purple states ? Something equally guilty like changing laws to affect voter turnout numbers. If you don't think there was real voter fraud back in the first half of the 20th century you're bonkers. There was a legitimate reason to assure that elections were clean, partially by minimizing voter fraud (particularly in the south) and a reasonable ID requirement was a solution in many people's minds. Even a few Dems. But once the Dems owned the deadbeat vote the motive changed. So this battle has been going on for decades and has ratcheted up in recent years. The Republican want the standard to vote to be tougher and the Dems want you to be able to show up with no ID and be able to vote. Nothing to do with voter fraud anymore...just politics at its lowest. Bringing up something I did not mention does not help. I am aware of landslide Johnson and Texas ballot stuffing. The GOP didn't have issue with all those deadbeats before until they started losing the general election(s). But hey at least the governors of Florida, Maine and Kansas have their own deadbeat voters.
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Post by walktheline on Sept 6, 2016 21:48:05 GMT
If you don't think there was real voter fraud back in the first half of the 20th century you're bonkers. There was a legitimate reason to assure that elections were clean, partially by minimizing voter fraud (particularly in the south) and a reasonable ID requirement was a solution in many people's minds. Even a few Dems. But once the Dems owned the deadbeat vote the motive changed. So this battle has been going on for decades and has ratcheted up in recent years. The Republican want the standard to vote to be tougher and the Dems want you to be able to show up with no ID and be able to vote. Nothing to do with voter fraud anymore...just politics at its lowest. Bringing up something I did not mention does not help. I am aware of landslide Johnson and Texas ballot stuffing. The GOP didn't have issue with all those deadbeats before until they started losing the general election(s). But hey at least the governors of Florida, Maine and Kansas have their own deadbeat voters. You seem to want me to tell you that the dems are innocent in this bullshit and it just isn't so.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 21:54:53 GMT
Bringing up something I did not mention does not help. I am aware of landslide Johnson and Texas ballot stuffing. The GOP didn't have issue with all those deadbeats before until they started losing the general election(s). But hey at least the governors of Florida, Maine and Kansas have their own deadbeat voters. You seem to want me to tell you that the dems are innocent in this bullshit and it just isn't so. They just want to help people.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Sept 6, 2016 22:18:23 GMT
Bringing up something I did not mention does not help. I am aware of landslide Johnson and Texas ballot stuffing. The GOP didn't have issue with all those deadbeats before until they started losing the general election(s). But hey at least the governors of Florida, Maine and Kansas have their own deadbeat voters. You seem to want me to tell you that the dems are innocent in this bullshit and it just isn't so. I don't Dems are an innocent bunch. Just looking at laws that they are trying to pass that would be simular to supressing poor peoples right to vote. I mean for Pete's sake, in some states DMVs were closed in poor areas. I saw an interview with a conservative judge in Corpus Christi who got turned away from voting because one of her IDs had her middle initial and didn't match her birth certificate. The only reason she didn't do a mail in vote at that particular election is because her relatives wanted her to see how difficult these new sudden laws had made it difficult.
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Post by walktheline on Sept 6, 2016 22:30:10 GMT
You seem to want me to tell you that the dems are innocent in this bullshit and it just isn't so. I don't Dems are an innocent bunch. Just looking at laws that they are trying to pass that would be simular to supressing poor peoples right to vote. I mean for Pete's sake, in some states DMVs were closed in poor areas. I saw an interview with a conservative judge in Corpus Christi who got turned away from voting because one of her IDs had her middle initial and didn't match her birth certificate. The only reason she didn't do a mail in vote at that particular election is because her relatives wanted her to see how difficult these new sudden laws had made it difficult. My point is that the dems aren't trying to help the poor people in this situation. They are well aware that most of the people affected by tough voter ID laws are voting democrat. Yes, some of the nonsense going on like you noted above is ridiculous. Dems would love it if undocumented aliens could vote. I personally think a real ID should be required but only once the states each make it reasonably convenient to obtain. My grandmother lost her husband way before I was born. She had 4 kids to raise and didn't drive yet she never missed an opportunity to vote for one of those adorable Kennedys!
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Post by walktheline on Sept 7, 2016 9:46:41 GMT
You seem to want me to tell you that the dems are innocent in this bullshit and it just isn't so. They just want to help people. Yes, as long as they are democrats.
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Post by badhabitude on Sept 7, 2016 13:31:49 GMT
I guess we will fight like cats and dogs in perpetuity. I think we just view the world from different perspectives.
I believe we must have government. I totally don't understand the libertarians who say there should be no government because I don't see who is going to pick up the trash.
Is there anything we can all agree on? That this will certainly be the most important election of our lives - possibly going back as far as Lincoln Douglas? That this is probably the most polarizing election of our lives since at least Reagan Carter?
Would you at least agree that Trump is loud, perhaps outspoken, perhaps controversial? Or is Hillary all of the same?
Can we agree that Hillary never cursed in a public speech? Or will you all say that she meant to, but didn't so that equals Donald Trump?
Is he really a superman that can solve all of our issues 'so fast it will make your head spin' and that he will be the 'healthiest president ever elected'?
Does he have any faults whatsoever?
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Sept 7, 2016 13:39:33 GMT
They just want to help people. Yes, as long as they are democrats. No, I think the Dems would take as many Indies and Feel the Burns as they could possibly take.
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Post by walktheline on Sept 7, 2016 14:46:24 GMT
Yes, as long as they are democrats. No, I think the Dems would take as many Indies and Feel the Burns as they could possibly take. Haha! Pols would pander to pedophiles of they were an organized voting block.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Sept 7, 2016 15:34:03 GMT
No, I think the Dems would take as many Indies and Feel the Burns as they could possibly take. Haha! Pols would pander to pedophiles of they were an organized voting block. GOOBers corner the market on pedophiles and politicians that like to do the toe tap at Minneapolis airport.
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Post by NAS on Sept 7, 2016 17:24:41 GMT
Haha! Pols would pander to pedophiles of they were an organized voting block. GOOBers corner the market on pedophiles and politicians that like to do the toe tap at Minneapolis airport. Gerry Studds!
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Post by walktheline on Sept 7, 2016 17:27:16 GMT
Haha! Pols would pander to pedophiles of they were an organized voting block. GOOBers corner the market on pedophiles and politicians that like to do the toe tap at Minneapolis airport. Barney Frank!
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 7, 2016 17:53:22 GMT
Outline a scenario where in person voter fraud can change anything. I don't think it's psosible, and I can't even get started on idea that would make it possible. Maybe get about 1,000 people together, go through the phone book, find everyone's address, then, poison the water so everyone stays home instead of voting. Then, you hire someone to be working the voting booths, so Alice who lives down the street from Fred smith doesn't call bull shit when you ask for the ballot. Maybe that could work? I agree with you there. A Washington Post writer that tracks these things found 31 reported instances of fraud out of a billions votes cast. That being said, in person voter fraud is almost impossible to track, and eliminating any fraud benefits all parties, right? Why is that seemingly every Republican reform these days is labeled racist, homophobic, or benefitting billionaires? Why can't the Democrats debate policy based on results? www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390443864204577621732936167586www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/31/1,000,000,000 = If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Sept 7, 2016 18:42:11 GMT
GOOBers corner the market on pedophiles and politicians that like to do the toe tap at Minneapolis airport. Barney Frank! He was convicted of molestation ? Or Committing sexual acts in public ?
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 7, 2016 18:58:39 GMT
GOOBers corner the market on pedophiles and politicians that like to do the toe tap at Minneapolis airport. Barney Frank! Dennis Hastert!
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Post by walktheline on Sept 7, 2016 19:30:06 GMT
He was convicted of molestation ? Or Committing sexual acts in public ? Didn't know we were only listing molesters and public bathroom pervs. Barney isn't just gay (not that there's anything wrong with that)...he basically kept a male prostitute on retainer. So there's that. Then letting that prostitute run a brothel in his home. Also illegal but somehow he skated with nothing but a slap on the wrist then got re-elected multiple times.
Congress is full of these guys...and it's not a partisan issue. Although it does seem to me that more republicans have gotten bagged for cheating, groping, etc. Larry Craig, Gerry Studds and now Anthony Weiner are the funniest ones for sure. Why doesn't Gerry Studds use bookmarks? He juts bends the pages over! HAHA!
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Sept 7, 2016 20:01:43 GMT
Ha! I remember my crazy Irish uncle, who lived in Medford, used to tell a bunch of Studds jokes.
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Post by schlich on Sept 8, 2016 21:21:26 GMT
In an different thread a great poster said: "I, for one, could care less about what any athlete, artists, or celebritards have to say about politics."
I've always considered Trump as a d-list celebrity reality TV retard. He reinforces this every day when he try's to add substance to his blather.
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Post by badhabitude on Sept 8, 2016 21:49:15 GMT
In an different thread a great poster said: "I, for one, could care less about what any athlete, artists, or celebritards have to say about politics." I've always considered Trump as a d-list celebrity reality TV retard. He reinforces this every day when he try's to add substance to his blather. Forget it. If Trump were Ernest Hemingway there are those who would fight you forever and day arguing that Hemingway did not commit suicide, but accidentally decorated the walls with his brains while cleaning his favorite shot gun.
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Post by NAS on Sept 8, 2016 22:34:31 GMT
I hate Trump. And I'm voting for him without question. That tells you everything about my thoughts of Hillary Clinton.
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Post by jmwalters on Sept 8, 2016 22:36:54 GMT
I hate Trump. And I'm voting for him without question. That tells you everything about my thoughts of Hillary Clinton. Why not go with Johnson then?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 22:38:59 GMT
In an different thread a great poster said: "I, for one, could care less about what any athlete, artists, or celebritards have to say about politics." I've always considered Trump as a d-list celebrity reality TV retard. He reinforces this every day when he try's to add substance to his blather. He missed an opportunity last night. Back from the dead, he's in at least a margin of error tie in the polls and he had a mediocre performance. I would say to win he has to: -Win the Upper Midwest -Win Florida or Pennsylvania -Win the first debate You can take it to the the bank that he'll do both of these things (my money is on one and three) but I don't think he can pull all three off. The only other possiblility, and it's a long shot, is that the turnout he got in the primaries and his rallies point to a large number of discouraged voters that aren't being polled. Like I said, a long shot. Hillary has showed once again why she's the luckiest politician on the face of the Earth. We'll only see once in a lifetime a race between the worst political candidate ever vs the second worst. She has no message of her own. She defaults to two modes: Trump Sez and "I don't recall"/"I didn't do it." Her lies evolve as a slow drip of new evidence comes out almost daily. She has no personal appeal. Doesn't smile. Isn't funny. Always sounds angry. She's let herself get fat and a good performance is one without a disruptive coughing fit. Disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 22:40:18 GMT
I hate Trump. And I'm voting for him without question. That tells you everything about my thoughts of Hillary Clinton. I'd vote for: Obama Biden Martin O'Malley The Easter Bunny Rene Rancourt Over Trump
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Post by jmwalters on Sept 8, 2016 22:59:36 GMT
I hate Trump. And I'm voting for him without question. That tells you everything about my thoughts of Hillary Clinton. I'd vote for: Obama Biden Martin O'Malley The Easter Bunny Rene Rancourt Over Trump What about: 1. Johnson 2. Stein 3. McMullin 4. Vermine Supreme (NH) 5. Deez Nutz (TX) 6.Harambe (TX) And yes they are all candidates
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Post by NAS on Sept 8, 2016 23:03:33 GMT
Votes out for Harambe?
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