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Post by Fletcher on Oct 17, 2016 14:32:09 GMT
That's exactly what the conservatives I know are saying, that Trump is nuts but they can't tolerate Hillary. More legislature will move through Billary in office. More government contracts will be given out to big Military manufacturers. US involvement in the middle east will escalate. More of the Dodd-Frank act will be chipped away. The ACA will have a bunch of the law amended. Probably go to the single payer option. Conservatives will be become very happy with her in office. But Republitards won't even realize how centralized Clinton is because they will be too busy listening to Rush and watching O'Reilly criticize the Clintons they won't notice. The ones that will end up pised off are liberals but it will be too late, Billary will already be in her second term. And the main stream media will bellow with laughter. I mostly agree with this. Hillary will most likely make a pretty stark move to the center when she gets in office, the same way Bill did in his second term. She'll be a better friend to business, but probably not for the right reasons. I actually think she's more likely to uphold civil liberties/constitutional issues than Trump in many areas. Trump seems to be motivated by revenge to those who attack him, and expanding libel suits or denying press credentials to those who cover him negatively would be a very anti-conservative breach into some of the things that distinguish American freedom. You shouldn't get sued for mocking people in America or writing negative stories. That's Putin talk. I've never met a conservative who likes expanded libel suits or eminent domain, except Trump who's lobbied for their expansion repeatedly. It's a puzzling scenario for conservatives and libertarians in general. Hillary hints at the harmful general expansion of government, while Trump hints at some aggressive executive power grabs into basic American freedoms. So I really think that for traditional conservative/constitutional values, you almost have a toss up. Hillary's the worst nightmare traditionally, but realistically, little will probably change. She'll probably overtax/overspend as you'd expect, and the ACA will continue to crumble around her. If the GOP can get their act together and nominate someone a little less offensive, they'll win the WH back in four years. I expect it. I have no idea who would appoint better constitutional guardians to the SC. The hardest part is just how unlikeable Hillary is personally, and how debted she is to her backers. I would expect nothing bold from her presidency.
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Post by badhabitude on Oct 17, 2016 18:53:11 GMT
I can't wait for this to be over. I honestly believe that Trump is threatening this country if not the world. And what I mean about this to be over, is not just the election but any fallout from his allegations about rigged elections. Then I can breathe easier.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Oct 17, 2016 18:57:30 GMT
Slick Willy and Dumpster ran a game on America with the help of the mainstream media.
I expect Assange to be dead by the end of this year. Already had his internet turned off.
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Post by kelvana33 on Oct 17, 2016 20:04:46 GMT
I'm voting for Trump, don't think he'll win but I'm voting for him. My main reason is I get sick of responding to calls in affordable housing units where the occupants don't work, have no intentions of working yet drive better cars, have bigger TV's and basically get things handed to them. A good number of them either came here legally and are exploiting the system, or are here illegally doing the same. I think Trump will help in this area where Hillary will make it worse. Now, if only Trump would stop saying so much stupid shit he might have a better chance. I think if he loses, it's because he beat himself, not Hillary beating him because she is the better candidate. There has been very little Presidential about this Presidential election process, it's almost as comical as it is sad.
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Post by goodnewsbears on Oct 17, 2016 20:18:40 GMT
I'm voting for Trump, don't think he'll win but I'm voting for him. My main reason is I get sick of responding to calls in affordable housing units where the occupants don't work, have no intentions of working yet drive better cars, have bigger TV's and basically get things handed to them. A good number of them either came here legally and are exploiting the system, or are here illegally doing the same. I think Trump will help in this area where Hillary will make it worse. Now, if only Trump would stop saying so much stupid shit he might have a better chance. I think if he loses, it's because he beat himself, not Hillary beating him because she is the better candidate. There has been very little Presidential about this Presidential election process, it's almost as comical as it is sad. I think you're only voting for Trump because of all the stupid shit he's saying. We all know how you like a good shit story.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 22:09:48 GMT
There's a series of videos out there by Project Veritas showing the Clinton apparatus during plans to inite violence at the Trump rallies. This is stuff you wouldn't believe if it weren't on tape. None of the major networks are interested according to O'Keefe. (My guess is that it's because they're for her). Meanwhile, CNN is running a piece online about what it means to be a Muslim in the Year of Trump. Disgusting. “You remember the Iowa state fair thing where Scott Walker grabbed the sign out of the dude’s hand and then the dude kind of gets roughed up right in front of the stage right there on camera?” Foval asks. “That was all us. The guy that got roughed up is my counterpart who works for Bob.” projectveritasaction.com/rigging-election-video-i-clinton-campaign-and-dnc-incite-violence-trump-rallies.html
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Post by badhabitude on Oct 18, 2016 1:41:59 GMT
I'm voting for Trump, don't think he'll win but I'm voting for him. My main reason is I get sick of responding to calls in affordable housing units where the occupants don't work, have no intentions of working yet drive better cars, have bigger TV's and basically get things handed to them. A good number of them either came here legally and are exploiting the system, or are here illegally doing the same. I think Trump will help in this area where Hillary will make it worse. Now, if only Trump would stop saying so much stupid shit he might have a better chance. I think if he loses, it's because he beat himself, not Hillary beating him because she is the better candidate. There has been very little Presidential about this Presidential election process, it's almost as comical as it is sad. Your job would be worse under Trump, there would be much more unrest and much more crime. He's proven himself incompetent in running his own election, how on earth could he suddenly get organized enough to be effective rounding up illegals and cracking down on the welfare state? I hear you, I understand the frustration, but I don't see how Trump could possibly follow through on all his promises. He is proving himself an incompetent politician in an election, you would not get any better if he were to get in office.
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Post by kelvana33 on Oct 18, 2016 4:08:30 GMT
I'm voting for Trump, don't think he'll win but I'm voting for him. My main reason is I get sick of responding to calls in affordable housing units where the occupants don't work, have no intentions of working yet drive better cars, have bigger TV's and basically get things handed to them. A good number of them either came here legally and are exploiting the system, or are here illegally doing the same. I think Trump will help in this area where Hillary will make it worse. Now, if only Trump would stop saying so much stupid shit he might have a better chance. I think if he loses, it's because he beat himself, not Hillary beating him because she is the better candidate. There has been very little Presidential about this Presidential election process, it's almost as comical as it is sad. Your job would be worse under Trump, there would be much more unrest and much more crime. He's proven himself incompetent in running his own election, how on earth could he suddenly get organized enough to be effective rounding up illegals and cracking down on the welfare state? I hear you, I understand the frustration, but I don't see how Trump could possibly follow through on all his promises. He is proving himself an incompetent politician in an election, you would not get any better if he were to get in office. He seems to be the only one who is at least even talking about it, don't see how it can get worse. Create jobs, close the borders, stop the free-loading. Hillary proved incompetent at her job and I agree with Trump, she should be in jail, not running for President.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 13:23:48 GMT
Your job would be worse under Trump, there would be much more unrest and much more crime. He's proven himself incompetent in running his own election, how on earth could he suddenly get organized enough to be effective rounding up illegals and cracking down on the welfare state? I hear you, I understand the frustration, but I don't see how Trump could possibly follow through on all his promises. He is proving himself an incompetent politician in an election, you would not get any better if he were to get in office. He seems to be the only one who is at least even talking about it, don't see how it can get worse. Create jobs, close the borders, stop the free-loading. Hillary proved incompetent at her job and I agree with Trump, she should be in jail, not running for President. Yeah, I don't know what Trump is proposing that creates more crime.
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Post by badhabitude on Oct 18, 2016 13:48:02 GMT
He seems to be the only one who is at least even talking about it, don't see how it can get worse. Create jobs, close the borders, stop the free-loading. Hillary proved incompetent at her job and I agree with Trump, she should be in jail, not running for President. Yeah, I don't know what Trump is proposing that creates more crime. Like prompting people to violence? And if he does what he wants with devaluing the economy it will prompt a world wide recession, that will create an economic condition where you will have many more desperate people
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Post by badhabitude on Oct 18, 2016 13:51:18 GMT
Your job would be worse under Trump, there would be much more unrest and much more crime. He's proven himself incompetent in running his own election, how on earth could he suddenly get organized enough to be effective rounding up illegals and cracking down on the welfare state? I hear you, I understand the frustration, but I don't see how Trump could possibly follow through on all his promises. He is proving himself an incompetent politician in an election, you would not get any better if he were to get in office. He seems to be the only one who is at least even talking about it, don't see how it can get worse. Create jobs, close the borders, stop the free-loading. Hillary proved incompetent at her job and I agree with Trump, she should be in jail, not running for President. The FBI didn't find enough evidence, and a congressional committee didn't find enough evidence. So we should put someone in jail just because Donald Trump thinks so?
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Post by schlich on Oct 18, 2016 16:16:01 GMT
There's a series of videos out there by Project Veritas showing the Clinton apparatus during plans to inite violence at the Trump rallies. This is stuff you wouldn't believe if it weren't on tape. None of the major networks are interested according to O'Keefe. (My guess is that it's because they're for her). Meanwhile, CNN is running a piece online about what it means to be a Muslim in the Year of Trump. Disgusting. “You remember the Iowa state fair thing where Scott Walker grabbed the sign out of the dude’s hand and then the dude kind of gets roughed up right in front of the stage right there on camera?” Foval asks. “That was all us. The guy that got roughed up is my counterpart who works for Bob.” projectveritasaction.com/rigging-election-video-i-clinton-campaign-and-dnc-incite-violence-trump-rallies.htmlThat's all just locker room talk. That's all it is. They never acted any of that out.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Oct 18, 2016 16:39:58 GMT
Hillary can't even do an honest debate. Trump may say stupid things, but Hillary will do them and set this country back even more than Obama did. Crooked Hillary is about as shady as they come. Please name one way that Obama has set this country back. Literally everything has gotten better. Everything
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Oct 18, 2016 16:47:24 GMT
I am very concerned about the ugliness. He keeps revving up his base without trying to increase it, a woman asked Pence if they should have an open revolt if Hillary is elected. There has been a lot of violence at the Trump rallies, it will be a miracle if this can all finish with major violence resulting in injury or death. Trump is really a total idiot. The answer to these latest allegations is to simply deny the events happened and say that the facts will prove him innocent (whatever the truth is). The last thing you do is insult the accusers. Why? Because the statute of limitations has run out out on most of them even if he did sexually assault them. HOWEVER, by insulting the women - and since most of them are not public figures, this opens up Trump for a libel suit. If he can't manage his campaign, how the hell could he manage the country. Meanwhile, this makes Hillary's job much easier, all she has to do - is nothing. Just sit back and let Trump blow himself up, a task for which he is more than competent. I haven't had my eye on the evangelists - but saw an interview this a.m., Pat Robertson is behind Trump big time, that says to me he is nothing to do with religion and everything to do with politics. The Religious Right is just another lobby these days. That Trump is the nominee at all shows how much their influence has waned. Almost no Republicans under 40 share their views on gay marriage or abortion, even in the church community. I think it's kind of ridiculous for the Republicans to pretend like HRC is some Leftist idealogue. She's a centrist, and a flip flopper at that. I don't think she has to gumption to have any positions that are outside of the political norm. Oh well. Like with Obama, I've resigned myself to keeping an open mind. With an open mind, most likely you're correct in yout first instinct but it's good to be a good sport. There won't be much change with Hillary, she's very very moderate.
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Post by kelvana33 on Oct 18, 2016 17:37:30 GMT
Hillary can't even do an honest debate. Trump may say stupid things, but Hillary will do them and set this country back even more than Obama did. Crooked Hillary is about as shady as they come. Please name one way that Obama has set this country back. Literally everything has gotten better. Everything Everything has gotten better?
Well, my healthcare is out of control expensive.
Abuse of the welfare and free-bees, those Obama phones are nice.
And race relations are at an all-time high. Complete unity right?
Now if you don't want to work and just want to smooch off of the government, then yes, everything has gotten better.
If your a middle class working stiff like myself, not so much.
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Post by kelvana33 on Oct 18, 2016 17:38:37 GMT
He seems to be the only one who is at least even talking about it, don't see how it can get worse. Create jobs, close the borders, stop the free-loading. Hillary proved incompetent at her job and I agree with Trump, she should be in jail, not running for President. The FBI didn't find enough evidence, and a congressional committee didn't find enough evidence. So we should put someone in jail just because Donald Trump thinks so? Don't be naïve. Next your going to tell me that O.J was framed.
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Post by walktheline on Oct 18, 2016 17:41:46 GMT
Hillary can't even do an honest debate. Trump may say stupid things, but Hillary will do them and set this country back even more than Obama did. Crooked Hillary is about as shady as they come. Please name one way that Obama has set this country back. Literally everything has gotten better. Everything It's hard to quantify his role and the effect of his policies on the economy and other metrics you are likely thinking of when you say "everything". But I think his approach to the recession was a mixed bag and ultimately recovery took longer than if he had done some things differently. Obamacare is another mixed bag. Yes, more people are left uninsured but it absolutely has not delivered on any of its other goals. Better and more affordable healthcare has not happened. In many places you have fewer choices and lack of competition has driven costs up. It needs a rework but he's been steadfast in leaving it in tact. Not pragmatic enough is my biggest criticism of the man. Foreign policy and our relationship with some other countries have without a doubt gotten worse. Respect for the US and respect for the power of the US has declined around the world. Russia and China have routinely pulled shit that they would never have attempted prior to Obama. His red line in Syria confirmed that his diplomacy first stance really means diplomacy only, most of the time.
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Post by badhabitude on Oct 18, 2016 17:45:23 GMT
The FBI didn't find enough evidence, and a congressional committee didn't find enough evidence. So we should put someone in jail just because Donald Trump thinks so? Don't be naïve. Next your going to tell me that O.J was framed. No. Not even remotely similar. And Colin Powell had a private email server as well.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Oct 18, 2016 17:56:49 GMT
Please name one way that Obama has set this country back. Literally everything has gotten better. Everything Everything has gotten better?
Well, my healthcare is out of control expensive.
Abuse of the welfare and free-bees, those Obama phones are nice.
And race relations are at an all-time high. Complete unity right?
Now if you don't want to work and just want to smooch off of the government, then yes, everything has gotten better.
If your a middle class working stiff like myself, not so much.
The healthcare is an issue, and one that needs to be fixed, but I'd be interested in knowing how much your healthcare has gone up since obamacare was passed. welfare? Point out some legislation that has led to increased free bees that are paid for by the tax payer. Race relations? Again, show me how Obama has effected race relations for the negative.
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Post by walktheline on Oct 18, 2016 18:07:35 GMT
Don't be naïve. Next your going to tell me that O.J was framed. No. Not even remotely similar. And Colin Powell had a private email server as well. But he and his staffers had clear policies that apparently were adhered to. He was absolutely bullshit when the hag defended her use of a private server by saying "Colin did too!". There has never been any question of any impropriety by Powell or his staff. Having a private server isn't the issue, it's how was it used. You don't think she did anything wrong here? You don't find it at all suspicious that she deleted thousands of emails? I'm not saying she was selling secrets to Putin but she used the private email server for classified info and lied about it. It may be nothing more than that but given her track record I would lean towards she did so not out of laziness or incompetence but for some private motive. She's not stupid or lazy. Just shifty and sneaky.
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Post by kelvana33 on Oct 18, 2016 18:11:40 GMT
Everything has gotten better?
Well, my healthcare is out of control expensive.
Abuse of the welfare and free-bees, those Obama phones are nice.
And race relations are at an all-time high. Complete unity right?
Now if you don't want to work and just want to smooch off of the government, then yes, everything has gotten better.
If your a middle class working stiff like myself, not so much.
The healthcare is an issue, and one that needs to be fixed, but I'd be interested in knowing how much your healthcare has gone up since obamacare was passed. welfare? Point out some legislation that has led to increased free bees that are paid for by the tax payer. Race relations? Again, show me how Obama has effected race relations for the negative. You said everything has gotten better? I gave you some examples. I'll ask you, what has gotten better and how did Obama make it better?
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Post by badhabitude on Oct 18, 2016 18:17:30 GMT
No. Not even remotely similar. And Colin Powell had a private email server as well. But he and his staffers had clear policies that apparently were adhered to. He was absolutely bullshit when the hag defended her use of a private server by saying "Colin did too!". There has never been any question of any impropriety by Powell or his staff. Having a private server isn't the issue, it's how was it used. You don't think she did anything wrong here? You don't find it at all suspicious that she deleted thousands of emails? I'm not saying she was selling secrets to Putin but she used the private email server for classified info and lied about it. It may be nothing more than that but given her track record I would lean towards she did so not out of laziness or incompetence but for some private motive. She's not stupid or lazy. Just shifty and sneaky. She admitted it was a mistake. And it looked bad. How many of those emails were classified? If there were something there, it would have been found by now.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Oct 18, 2016 18:26:15 GMT
The healthcare is an issue, and one that needs to be fixed, but I'd be interested in knowing how much your healthcare has gone up since obamacare was passed. welfare? Point out some legislation that has led to increased free bees that are paid for by the tax payer. Race relations? Again, show me how Obama has effected race relations for the negative. You said everything has gotten better? I gave you some examples. I'll ask you, what has gotten better and how did Obama make it better? GDP, economy, debt situation, unemployment, civil rights, and sorry, but I think despite its flaws the aca is a huge step in the right direction.
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Post by kelvana33 on Oct 18, 2016 18:32:10 GMT
But he and his staffers had clear policies that apparently were adhered to. He was absolutely bullshit when the hag defended her use of a private server by saying "Colin did too!". There has never been any question of any impropriety by Powell or his staff. Having a private server isn't the issue, it's how was it used. You don't think she did anything wrong here? You don't find it at all suspicious that she deleted thousands of emails? I'm not saying she was selling secrets to Putin but she used the private email server for classified info and lied about it. It may be nothing more than that but given her track record I would lean towards she did so not out of laziness or incompetence but for some private motive. She's not stupid or lazy. Just shifty and sneaky. She admitted it was a mistake. And it looked bad. How many of those emails were classified? If there were something there, it would have been found by now. At the end of the day both have done/said stupid things. Like I said before, theres been nothing Presidential about this. Hillary deleted the e-mails because she had something to hide. Goes against common sense to think otherwise. Trump should not have said the 2nd amendment thing, but when you ask if I think Hillary should be in jail because Trump said so, do you think someone will gun down Hillary because of the comment Trump made? Now we've got a tape that surfaces 11 years later and now all of a sudden women are coming out saying Trump groped them. That's hilarious. I'd say those accusations are almost insulting to the American public. Major fail there.
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Post by walktheline on Oct 18, 2016 18:49:17 GMT
But he and his staffers had clear policies that apparently were adhered to. He was absolutely bullshit when the hag defended her use of a private server by saying "Colin did too!". There has never been any question of any impropriety by Powell or his staff. Having a private server isn't the issue, it's how was it used. You don't think she did anything wrong here? You don't find it at all suspicious that she deleted thousands of emails? I'm not saying she was selling secrets to Putin but she used the private email server for classified info and lied about it. It may be nothing more than that but given her track record I would lean towards she did so not out of laziness or incompetence but for some private motive. She's not stupid or lazy. Just shifty and sneaky. She admitted it was a mistake. And it looked bad. How many of those emails were classified?If there were something there, it would have been found by now. Well, we don't know. She deleted over 30k and selectively turned over about the same amount. Of the ones handed over to the FBI, 113 were deemed to contain classified info but nothing too horrible but everyone is thankful she probably wasn't hacked. Many others were in a gray area where maybe they should have been handled on the secure server but maybe not. It's dumb to think of the ones deleted that there was no classified information. Of course there was and they were more likely to get her in even deeper trouble than the ones selectively given to the FBI. It looks bad because it is bad. She deleted the worst evidence more than likely.
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