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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 12:49:00 GMT
First GOP sweep since 1928. It's interesting, because there's no recession or unpopular war. This might be the most idealogical election of our lifetimes. Which poster on here said the GOP would never sweep the three branches like the Dems in 2008? I think it was the same dunce beating his chest over Latino demographics. I think he posits himself as an expert while never betraying any views save for laughable Internet conspiracies like the Rothchild's or the Koch Brothers. I'm glad you told me you weren't gonna gloat otherwise I would have thought you were gloating. Hey, one person on here inferred and even wrote that I was a dumb hayseed without a college degree because I wanted to vote for Trump. There were a lot of arguments back and forth, but there was only one poster that got personal like that. Not even Bhab did, and he has more passion about these issues than all of us combined. The same snot nosed douche was laughably wrong about everything. I think that's worth mentioning. A couple of final thoughts: -I picked the winner in every race in Palm Beach County and never got called once for a poll. I'm also still on the rolls in NH and didn't get called about that state either. -Surprising from what I said on here, but aside from family members, I told maybe two people that I was voting Trump. The support was all underground. Hopefully the GOP takeover will help their views be again accepted in "Polite Society." We cannot pretend that one party's views are the views of righteousness with sunshine coming out of their assholes.
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Post by islamorada on Nov 9, 2016 12:50:08 GMT
The oddity last night was a conversation with my daughter. She is a business woman who is very independent and firmly believes in equality. She voted for Trump. I did too after starring at the Johnson and Weld combo. It did not matter as Hillary won NH. I remember in the 1980s when Reagon won with controvsy over the Hostage Crises. The world was coming to an end. Nuclear war. He was not a brilliant man. His stance on Stars Wars was on par with building a wall on the Mexican border. His stance on alternative energies was also questionable. He also circomvented the law in the Iran-Contra scandal. Yet, despite all the negativity, he was a good President. He held to his views on the Soviet Union, he introduced monetary policy, and he gave Americans something to believe in after the Vietnam War. I only hope Trump wrestles with the bureaucracy in Washington, I sincerely hope he surrounds himself with a "brain trust" in formulating policy, and I hope he keeps us out of war..... but tough on terrorism. The Republican Party was in fear when McKinley was assassinated in 1901, Teddy was going to be President. Teddy was nothing but a "child". He was one of the country's best Presdients. Stop the doom and gloom..... Trump is not a racist, sexist, or anti female as projected. I hope he understands emails are legal documents.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 9, 2016 12:53:02 GMT
I'm not sure I believe anything so deliberate. It looks more to me like the commonplace of voting a party out rather than voting one in. First GOP sweep since 1928. It's interesting, because there's no recession or unpopular war. This might be the most idealogical election of our lifetimes. Which poster on here said the GOP would never sweep the three branches like the Dems in 2008? I think it was the same dunce beating his chest over Latino demographics. I think he posits himself as an expert while never betraying any views save for laughable Internet conspiracies like the Rothchild's or the Koch Brothers. So reading the electorate breakdown. rural counties came out huge for Trump and white women (leaning Clinton) broke for Trump at the last minute. And that is the election right there.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 9, 2016 12:54:34 GMT
The oddity last night was a conversation with my daughter. She is a business woman who is very independent and firmly believes in equality. She voted for Trump. I did too after starring at the Johnson and Weld combo. It did not matter as Hillary won NH. I remember in the 1980s when Reagon won with controvsy over the Hostage Crises. The world was coming to an end. Nuclear war. He was not a brilliant man. His stance on Stars Wars was on par with building a wall on the Mexican border. His stance on alternative energies was also questionable. He also circomvented the law in the Iran-Contra scandal. Yet, despite all the negativity, he was a good President. He held to his views on the Soviet Union, he introduced monetary policy, and he gave Americans something to believe in after the Vietnam War. I only hope Trump wrestles with the bureaucracy in Washington, I sincerely hope he surrounds himself with a "brain trust" in formulating policy, and I hope he keeps us out of war..... but tough on terrorism. The Republican Party was in fear when McKinley was assassinated in 1901, Teddy was going to be President. Teddy was nothing but a "child". He was one of the country's best Presdients. Stop the doom and gloom..... Trump is not a racist, sexist, or anti female as projected. I hope he understands emails are legal documents. We shall see. My dad lives in NH and voted for Trump as well.
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Post by stevegm on Nov 9, 2016 13:08:35 GMT
I never thought he would win, this is a once in a lifetime shocker. I believe in polling, but Pat Caudell wrote a column in June when they started doing head to head races with the two major parties instead of having a real race. That seemed very odd. Yes it is. All polls and analytics were wrong. It happens from time to time. Now the Repubs have total control of all three branches of government and soon the Supreme Court. We shall see what they can do with that power. they don't have Obama to blame anymore. You know, I don't know if the polls and analytics were really that wrong. Good story this morning about the LA times/USC polls. Read something a week or so about some entity whose predicted every President correctly since Trueman.
I think the kicker on this one..is a couple things. First, Trump is the anti-cool, so anyone with a brain should have assumed many, many people would not admit to voting for him. Second, everyone with influence, those that are supposed to be unbiased, didn't even try to be that way. Like the media, the pollsters weren't looking for answers, as much as they were looking to influence. When there's an anti establishment movement gaining steam...these dorks play right into it.
I'm a bit surprised it wasn't closer, but I'm not surprised Hillary lost. Donald nor the GOP won. The Dems and the status quo lost. Millions who voted for Trump aren't very confident in their decision...it's just a protest vote. Everyone knows Hillary wasn't a good choice to lead the party, but she had the power within the party...that power America has come to despise, and it worked against her. What's the big surprise?
As much as I dislike them both, I must say...I've been increasingly drawn to numbnuts, simply because the media, and the so-called thinkers, have exaggerated the process so wildly. They've haplessly fell over each other to influence, and it's exactly what millions hate.
There's a lot safeguards, a lot of people and a lot of processes, that limit the overall power of one person. Despite our world changing at lightning speed, the political system is still in the 50's, and career politicians, and the system want to keep it that way. There could be some rough times ahead, but overall, I think the message is clear, and I'm not sure it isn't necessary.
The "system', got the finger last night. It doesn't need to be dissected and turned inside out. It needs to be accepted. Then the process of re-thinking a whole lot of things can begin.
The market will go apeshit this morning. The Canadian dollar lost a cent in 4 hours. That's the power brokers, the money, the politics attempting to "show the world"...the dire consequences of their decision. But Wall St has no conscience, or morality, and within a few days, money will start chasing money again.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 9, 2016 13:23:56 GMT
Yes it is. All polls and analytics were wrong. It happens from time to time. Now the Repubs have total control of all three branches of government and soon the Supreme Court. We shall see what they can do with that power. they don't have Obama to blame anymore. You know, I don't know if the polls and analytics were really that wrong. Good story this morning about the LA times/USC polls. Read something a week or so about some entity whose predicted every President correctly since Trueman.
I think the kicker on this one..is a couple things. First, Trump is the anti-cool, so anyone with a brain should have assumed many, many people would not admit to voting for him. Second, everyone with influence, those that are supposed to be unbiased, didn't even try to be that way. Like the media, the pollsters weren't looking for answers, as much as they were looking to influence. When there's an anti establishment movement gaining steam...these dorks play right into it.
I'm a bit surprised it wasn't closer, but I'm not surprised Hillary lost. Donald nor the GOP won. The Dems and the status quo lost. Millions who voted for Trump aren't very confident in their decision...it's just a protest vote. Everyone knows Hillary wasn't a good choice to lead the party, but she had the power within the party...that power America has come to despise, and it worked against her. What's the big surprise?
As much as I dislike them both, I must say...I've been increasingly drawn to numbnuts, simply because the media, and the so-called thinkers, have exaggerated the process so wildly. They've haplessly fell over each other to influence, and it's exactly what millions hate.
There's a lot safeguards, a lot of people and a lot of processes, that limit the overall power of one person. Despite our world changing at lightning speed, the political system is still in the 50's, and career politicians, and the system want to keep it that way. There could be some rough times ahead, but overall, I think the message is clear, and I'm not sure it isn't necessary.
The "system', got the finger last night. It doesn't need to be dissected and turned inside out. It needs to be accepted. Then the process of re-thinking a whole lot of things can begin.
The market will go apeshit this morning. The Canadian dollar lost a cent in 4 hours. That's the power brokers, the money, the politics attempting to "show the world"...the dire consequences of their decision. But Wall St has no conscience, or morality, and within a few days, money will start chasing money again. True. Ultimately we will see where this goes. The next two years will be very instructive. Will the world end? Of course not. But people get the government they deserve (they vote for it after all) so there should be no complaints about what transpires in these two year leading up to the mid-terms because they voted for it...whether they know what "it" is may well be the question. But they can no longer blame Obama or democrats for what comes next.
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Post by Fletcher on Nov 9, 2016 14:29:45 GMT
It will sure be interesting. I'll admit being a little sad this morning having breakfast with my daughters and hoping that they will grow up in a country that doesn't treat women like second-class citizens or objects. I hope they have the same opportunities, and get the same respect men do. I disagree with Isla and others that there isn't a problem there with Trump. I hope I'm wrong. I've watched a lot of people forgive, rationalize, and even celebrate some behavior and attitudes that I can't stand (and I'm not exactly Mr. proper conduct here either).
I wouldn't have felt much better this morning had it gone the other way though. Our options were the real embarrassment in this election.
Now I will root for the country as I always do. I hope that Trump's campaign demagoguery and bluster give way to some actual policy perspectives, since we should all know he can't really build the wall, deport 10 million people, block a religion from the country, or erase the debt by making 'better deals'. It's time to dig in to actual problems with actual policy. The rubber meets the road soon. I hope he surrounds himself with good people.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 9, 2016 14:30:44 GMT
I never thought he would win, this is a once in a lifetime shocker. I believe in polling, but Pat Caudell wrote a column in June when they started doing head to head races with the two major parties instead of having a real race. That seemed very odd. Now the Repubs have total control of all three branches of government and soon the Supreme Court. We shall see what they can do with that power. they don't have Obama to blame anymore. The GOP don't have a super majority of the Senate. It will be interesting to see if the GOP will do away with the super majority. Who didn't show up at the polls ? Michigan and Wisconsin are the most fascinating to me. The demographic vote on those two states will be interesting to go through. I'm thinking millennials, Bernie supporters, went for Dumpster. Also the same fools, that voted Bush/Cheney in twice, are going to wondering what happened to their Medicaid/Medicare and health care in two years. 24 million people will be kicked of their insurance. Hillbillies are so damn gullible and stupid. PS. The Canada immigration application website crashed last night.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 9, 2016 14:52:17 GMT
Now the Repubs have total control of all three branches of government and soon the Supreme Court. We shall see what they can do with that power. they don't have Obama to blame anymore. The GOP don't have a super majority of the Senate. It will be interesting to see if the GOP will do away with the super majority. Who didn't show up at the polls ? Michigan and Wisconsin are the most fascinating to me. The demographic vote on those two states will be interesting to go through. I'm thinking millennials, Bernie supporters, went for Dumpster. Also the same fools, that voted Bush/Cheney in twice, are going to wondering what happened to their Medicaid/Medicare and health care in two years. 24 million people will be kicked of their insurance. Hillbillies are so damn gullible and stupid. PS. The Canada immigration application website crashed last night. Here are the exit polls: www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls/national/presidentclinton hit her margins in the urban areas in MI and WI but the rural vote came out in historic levels...and that was the ball game. White voters are taking the chance that Trump isnt as bad as the Dems made him out to be.....we shall see. Yes no super majority but, as you say, they will have no reservations about nuking the filibuster. Repubs now control all branches of gov at the federal level and two thirds of all state houses. whatever happens between now and the 2018 midterms lies squarely on them. Positive and negative.
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Post by 50belowzero on Nov 9, 2016 14:55:19 GMT
The oddity last night was a conversation with my daughter. She is a business woman who is very independent and firmly believes in equality. She voted for Trump. I did too after starring at the Johnson and Weld combo. It did not matter as Hillary won NH. I remember in the 1980s when Reagon won with controvsy over the Hostage Crises. The world was coming to an end. Nuclear war. He was not a brilliant man. His stance on Stars Wars was on par with building a wall on the Mexican border. His stance on alternative energies was also questionable. He also circomvented the law in the Iran-Contra scandal. Yet, despite all the negativity, he was a good President. He held to his views on the Soviet Union, he introduced monetary policy, and he gave Americans something to believe in after the Vietnam War. I only hope Trump wrestles with the bureaucracy in Washington, I sincerely hope he surrounds himself with a "brain trust" in formulating policy, and I hope he keeps us out of war..... but tough on terrorism. The Republican Party was in fear when McKinley was assassinated in 1901, Teddy was going to be President. Teddy was nothing but a "child". He was one of the country's best Presdients. Stop the doom and gloom..... Trump is not a racist, sexist, or anti female as projected. I hope he understands emails are legal documents. We shall see. My dad lives in NH and voted for Trump as well.You never thought Regina would look so good, did ya JM?
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 9, 2016 14:57:21 GMT
The GOP don't have a super majority of the Senate. It will be interesting to see if the GOP will do away with the super majority. Who didn't show up at the polls ? Michigan and Wisconsin are the most fascinating to me. The demographic vote on those two states will be interesting to go through. I'm thinking millennials, Bernie supporters, went for Dumpster. Also the same fools, that voted Bush/Cheney in twice, are going to wondering what happened to their Medicaid/Medicare and health care in two years. 24 million people will be kicked of their insurance. Hillbillies are so damn gullible and stupid. PS. The Canada immigration application website crashed last night. Yes no super majority but, as you say, they will have no reservations about nuking the filibuster. Repubs now control all branches of gov at the federal level and two thirds of all state houses. whatever happens between now and the 2018 midterms lies squarely on them. Positive and negative. House was never in question. GOP will definitely nuke the fillibuster for SCOTUS. EDIT: Drumpf got to 30% from the Latino vote. That was the mark Dubyah got in 2004.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 9, 2016 15:07:13 GMT
We shall see. My dad lives in NH and voted for Trump as well.You never thought Regina would look so good, did ya JM? HA! Yeah no kidding....he is going to be pissed when his social security gets taken away....and no tears shed from me
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 9, 2016 15:08:11 GMT
Yes no super majority but, as you say, they will have no reservations about nuking the filibuster. Repubs now control all branches of gov at the federal level and two thirds of all state houses. whatever happens between now and the 2018 midterms lies squarely on them. Positive and negative. House was never in question. GOP will definitely nuke the fillibuster for SCOTUS. EDIT: Drumpf got to 30% from the Latino vote. That was the mark Dubyah got in 2004. And completely surprising considering all the vitriol he spewed towards latinos. Oh well, they will learn pretty quick
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 15:08:35 GMT
You know, I don't know if the polls and analytics were really that wrong. Good story this morning about the LA times/USC polls. Read something a week or so about some entity whose predicted every President correctly since Trueman.
I think the kicker on this one..is a couple things. First, Trump is the anti-cool, so anyone with a brain should have assumed many, many people would not admit to voting for him. Second, everyone with influence, those that are supposed to be unbiased, didn't even try to be that way. Like the media, the pollsters weren't looking for answers, as much as they were looking to influence. When there's an anti establishment movement gaining steam...these dorks play right into it.
I'm a bit surprised it wasn't closer, but I'm not surprised Hillary lost. Donald nor the GOP won. The Dems and the status quo lost. Millions who voted for Trump aren't very confident in their decision...it's just a protest vote. Everyone knows Hillary wasn't a good choice to lead the party, but she had the power within the party...that power America has come to despise, and it worked against her. What's the big surprise?
As much as I dislike them both, I must say...I've been increasingly drawn to numbnuts, simply because the media, and the so-called thinkers, have exaggerated the process so wildly. They've haplessly fell over each other to influence, and it's exactly what millions hate.
There's a lot safeguards, a lot of people and a lot of processes, that limit the overall power of one person. Despite our world changing at lightning speed, the political system is still in the 50's, and career politicians, and the system want to keep it that way. There could be some rough times ahead, but overall, I think the message is clear, and I'm not sure it isn't necessary.
The "system', got the finger last night. It doesn't need to be dissected and turned inside out. It needs to be accepted. Then the process of re-thinking a whole lot of things can begin.
The market will go apeshit this morning. The Canadian dollar lost a cent in 4 hours. That's the power brokers, the money, the politics attempting to "show the world"...the dire consequences of their decision. But Wall St has no conscience, or morality, and within a few days, money will start chasing money again. True. Ultimately we will see where this goes. The next two years will be very instructive. Will the world end? Of course not. But people get the government they deserve (they vote for it after all) so there should be no complaints about what transpires in these two year leading up to the mid-terms because they voted for it...whether they know what "it" is may well be the question. But they can no longer blame Obama or democrats for what comes next. Yep, they've been given another majority. Lets see what they do with it. If they waste their time in an internecine war to coronate Trump, I have no sympathy for them.
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Post by The OC on Nov 9, 2016 15:10:16 GMT
Bahahaha. Everyone on my Facebook is imploding. EVERYONE. And that's why the polls were so wrong. Everyone who wanted Hilary to win wouldn't shut up about it, but Trump supporters kept it to themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 15:13:20 GMT
House was never in question. GOP will definitely nuke the fillibuster for SCOTUS. EDIT: Drumpf got to 30% from the Latino vote. That was the mark Dubyah got in 2004. And completely surprising considering all the vitriol he spewed towards latinos. Oh well, they will learn pretty quick You know what though, it's not. The Latinos were condescended to and treated like a criminal element by the Democrats as well. Obama in one of his final speeches told them to vote for family members that are in American illegally. In Florida though, the Cubans saved by the Latino vote. They voted 55% for Trump vs 30% in the Panhandle.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 9, 2016 15:14:56 GMT
House was never in question. GOP will definitely nuke the fillibuster for SCOTUS. EDIT: Drumpf got to 30% from the Latino vote. That was the mark Dubyah got in 2004. And completely surprising considering all the vitriol he spewed towards latinos. Oh well, they will learn pretty quick Is ^that^ you JMW ? Had to share LoL
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 9, 2016 15:19:44 GMT
And completely surprising considering all the vitriol he spewed towards latinos. Oh well, they will learn pretty quick Is ^that^ you JMW ? Had to share LoL Trolling my Facebook profile are you? By the way, Clinton is slated to win the popular vote.....you guys crushed it over there in Cali.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 9, 2016 15:21:15 GMT
And completely surprising considering all the vitriol he spewed towards latinos. Oh well, they will learn pretty quick You know what though, it's not. The Latinos were condescended to and treated like a criminal element by the Democrats as well. Obama in one of his final speeches told them to vote for family members that are in American illegally. In Florida though, the Cubans saved by the Latino vote. They voted 55% for Trump vs 30% in the Panhandle. True, Cuban communities in FL do tend to vote Repub.....lots of holdovers from their Castro-induced exile.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 15:47:37 GMT
You know what though, it's not. The Latinos were condescended to and treated like a criminal element by the Democrats as well. Obama in one of his final speeches told them to vote for family members that are in American illegally. In Florida though, the Cubans saved by the Latino vote. They voted 55% for Trump vs 30% in the Panhandle. True, Cuban communities in FL do tend to vote Repub.....lots of holdovers from their Castro-induced exile. Yep...the antipathy started big time when Kennedy lost the Bay of Pigs invasion. They abandoned the idea after a lot of Cubans got butchered. They thought there would be multiple invasions. It's to our benefit in South Florida. The Cubans have built a great community.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 9, 2016 16:04:17 GMT
Is ^that^ you JMW ? Had to share LoL Trolling my Facebook profile are you? By the way, Clinton is slated to win the popular vote.....you guys crushed it over there in Cali. Not sure if you remember her or not but that pic was from BruinsUnite, she used to be on BDC. She said it would cost anyone $400K to marry her and come north. Checking bank account...nope. All the surfers out here read the fine print on the Prop 64. It will now cost them more than a $25 fee to buy weed. Prop C failed for the Chargers to stay failed. But I could care less, they stink.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 9, 2016 16:10:27 GMT
Which poster on here said the GOP would never sweep the three branches like the Dems in 2008? I'm glad you told me you weren't gonna gloat otherwise I would have thought you were gloating. You are trying to interject with someone that doesn't understand the difference between "retain" and "sweep/takeover" or "majority" and "super majority". It's easy to understand why. She drinks Captain Morgan and Pineapple while it's 100 degrees out with 90% humidity. Brain damage. A real man's drink.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 9, 2016 16:12:26 GMT
You never thought Regina would look so good, did ya JM? HA! Yeah no kidding....he is going to be pissed when his social security gets taken away....and no tears shed from me I was stunned. But we will see what will happen. One thing I can assure everyone about is that he can't possibly do everything he said he would do while campaigning, he bit off way more than he could ever possibly do. I'll survive, I've always been a survivor so I will figure out a way no matter what happens with the economy. For the rest of the people I know who voted for Trump - who are collecting disability, who are likely about to be homeless as they are barely hanging on as it is, they are going to get what they voted for. And I won't shed a tear for them either. No honeymoon period. He's going to have to get passed Trump University. And he's going to have a lot of work to do, extra work that he brought upon himself. No one can predict the future, so no telling what might happen.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 9, 2016 16:19:43 GMT
You never thought Regina would look so good, did ya JM? HA! Yeah no kidding....he is going to be pissed when his social security gets taken away....and no tears shed from me Social Security will be on the agenda straight from Paul Ryan.
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Post by sportsnut on Nov 9, 2016 17:01:12 GMT
Color me shocked but not chagrined. As all of us Massholes know, Mass is a foregone conclusion every four years, I still went out to vote. But the results nationally shouldn't have been that much of a surprise. Brexit showed that the Brits were ready to give the middle finger to the status quo. Maybe the "polls" should be paid less attention to and the betting sites moreso; they called it correctly in both cases. But a giant middle finger is exactly what occurred here last night. You may hate the candidate, but this country has a lot of issues; internally and externally. I'm will to give the President-Elect and the Congress a chance to right some of those problems, my middle finger was up to Washington like so many others, I hope they give heed.
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