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Post by badhabitude on Dec 3, 2016 17:36:25 GMT
"You don't know what you're talking about...back in 2002-2004 while you were making love to a bicycle seat I was sitting in lectures by guys like Jagdish Bhagwati. This was back when I was an econ major at a top school for that subject and people like you didn't know globalization from global warming." More lectures from the know-it-all. And you accuse North East elites of being snobs. It's all about you reading your own posts, Henry. You know more and everyone else is dumb. "If you don't read my posts you are a slave to the liberal news outlets". You are a bigger snob than the peole you try to put down. Another hypocritical post from the Clown. Coming from the biggest prick on the board, and any board I've ever been apart of, that doesn't mean much. These media types and academico-bureaucrats are influencing everything from trade deals, to healthcare to foreign policy such as the NYTs being the bag men for the Iraq War. The results are a disaster. Wake up. This is a pet subject of mine, subjects which I only have a few, which is typical of most people. I try to listen to people when they talk about these subjects to get a perspective, and it's not always right, like my perspective isn't perfect or even coherent to some. As or Bhagwati, he wrote a book on the subject that was one of the first few really looked at on globalization. He's an Indian scholar, and he supported the false logic that these deals would have a positive effect on the economy. He's a liar. Look at India's growth over the past ten years and then ours...does anybody else get how obvious this is?! Oh come now. Not to defend SanDog, but the "biggest prick on the board"? Competition for that honor includes at least 50% of the people on this here. Too bad you're friends with NAS because if you're a newbie on this board and crossed him, look out! NAS can take credit for driving 2 people off of hockey forums, Duinne back on BDC and Chowda here on this board, that has to get his hat into the ring for biggest prick on the board if not BPOE (biggest prick on earth, apologies to the elks out there). Oh, I could go on and on and on, but if you're looking for pricks, the aisles are full in this grocery store. Yeah, we all have our squabbles, but we do have the one thing in common, we all love the Bruins. Well, all of us except for this one prick...
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Post by sportsnut on Dec 3, 2016 17:59:51 GMT
There is a huge difference between globalization and open-bordered, country-less, selling your own population down the river. What Trump did with Carrier is a symbolic victory and a "show me" on the promise he made during his campaign. It isn't repeatable on the scale that the country requires to reverse the tide of the past 25 years either. It just so happens that he "knew a guy" in the state where it could happen. I'm still patient on judging the guys presidency hasnt even begun yet. It's funny to see the media and the demagogues still going mental any chance they get. Election is still over guys and four (eight?) years is a long time to be angry.
Edit: I was going to end my post there, but I want to get a thought off my chest. When Carrier agreed to not send ALL of the jobs to Mexico, the Mexican's clamored that the President-elect "interfering" with the plans of a "private" company to move overseas was a "banana republic" move - something that happens in Third World countries. It got me to thinking, and Im definitely right-of-center on most economics. What's wrong with "incentivizing" companies to stay and punishing those that go? In 2015 Apple broke the 2008 record of Exxon as far as a 12-month profit margin goes. $53 billion. Maybe they could scrape by with $40 billion and keep some of those jobs here, instead of in China? Maybe it's time for corporate America to #MAGA and give thanks to the country that allowed THEM to become GREAT.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Dec 3, 2016 18:19:17 GMT
Carrier got a massive tax break to stay, that's on taxpayers. 700 jobs, were still sliced and 1000 Carrier jobs are still leaving Indiana. Still waiting for Trump to tax Carrier as he promised. Faux News even said is was putting lipstick on a pig. Indiana had to fork over $7M.
And apparently Trump gave himself credit this morning for selling arms to Taiwan. Can't make this shiite up.
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Post by sportsnut on Dec 3, 2016 18:32:22 GMT
Carrier got a massive tax break to stay, that's on taxpayers. 700 jobs, were still sliced and 1000 Carrier jobs are still leaving Indiana. Still waiting for Trump to tax Carrier as he promised. Faux News even said is was putting lipstick on a pig. Indiana had to fork over $7M. And apparently Trump gave himself credit this morning for selling arms to Taiwan. Can't make this shiite up. Indiana didnt fork over anything. It COST the taxpayers nothing. And $700,000 a year for 10 years - insinuating that anyone knows how those tax breaks are formulated is disingenuous... perhaps a profit-reduction? And why are you so offended that Trump might have sold Taiwan arms? Obama sold them nearly $2 billion last year.
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Post by walktheline on Dec 3, 2016 19:12:18 GMT
The $7 million package over 10 years includes not only the typical tax breaks but grants for training, etc. Many of the jobs saved are fairly decent wages whose revenue impact(which includes more than just taxes on earning) over the 10 years far exceeds $7m. I lean on an economist whose a friend of mine when it comes to this stuff. It's far more complicated than most of us can understand and there are positives and negatives to the type of deal just cut in Indiana. But on balance it's easily in the win column. If Obama did this the usual suspects would be praising him. Take the politics away and look at it objectively and it's a decent deal for both Carrier and the state of Indiana. Everything else is sideshow b.s. to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 19:58:27 GMT
The $7 million package over 10 years includes not only the typical tax breaks but grants for training, etc. Many of the jobs saved are fairly decent wages whose revenue impact(which includes more than just taxes on earning) over the 10 years far exceeds $7m. I lean on an economist whose a friend of mine when it comes to this stuff. It's far more complicated than most of us can understand and there are positives and negatives to the type of deal just cut in Indiana. But on balance it's easily in the win column. If Obama did this the usual suspects would be praising him. Take the politics away and look at it objectively and it's a decent deal for both Carrier and the state of Indiana. Everything else is sideshow b.s. to me. I'm ok with it if it's a bluff or a morale builder for the start of his Presidency. I don't want it to continue and have a President infringing on private property rights or picking winners and losers like a crony capitalist. I do find it odd that this kind of thing has been accompanied by people setting up an "I told you so" to other workers in manufacturing. Got to be a rung between the service economy, government jobs, and white collar gigs. Current jobs market isn't working outside the major cities... Supposedly Carrier's CEO carped about the regulations more than the taxes and there was something like 35 passed by Obama that affect their air conditioners. Enviromental regs from the Subaru Set have got to go along with the "dirty air, dirty water" rhetoric.
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Post by walktheline on Dec 3, 2016 21:16:54 GMT
The $7 million package over 10 years includes not only the typical tax breaks but grants for training, etc. Many of the jobs saved are fairly decent wages whose revenue impact(which includes more than just taxes on earning) over the 10 years far exceeds $7m. I lean on an economist whose a friend of mine when it comes to this stuff. It's far more complicated than most of us can understand and there are positives and negatives to the type of deal just cut in Indiana. But on balance it's easily in the win column. If Obama did this the usual suspects would be praising him. Take the politics away and look at it objectively and it's a decent deal for both Carrier and the state of Indiana. Everything else is sideshow b.s. to me. I'm ok with it if it's a bluff or a morale builder for the start of his Presidency. I don't want it to continue and have a President infringing on private property rights or picking winners and losers like a crony capitalist. I do find it odd that this kind of thing has been accompanied by people setting up an "I told you so" to other workers in manufacturing. Got to be a rung between the service economy, government jobs, and white collar gigs. Current jobs market isn't working outside the major cities... Supposedly Carrier's CEO carped about the regulations more than the taxes and there was something like 35 passed by Obama that affect their air conditioners. Enviromental regs from the Subaru Set have got to go along with the "dirty air, dirty water" rhetoric. The regs are a killer. The past 8 years there was nobody even tapping the breaks on the EPA. They've gone so far on how you have to deal with stormwater, whether you're a developer or a municipality, that even green-at-any-cost MA is pissed at them. Get caught not adhering to the new lead paint rules when remodeling a pre-1978 house? The fine is over $30k. You may have registered with the EPA, gotten your crew trained and certified, done 100% of everything correct on the jobsite but messed up on the paperwork and you're toast. That fine has put many small remodeling contractors out of business around the country. The EPA created the rule during the depth of the recession mainly to bring in revenue. Within 2 years it brought in over $300m in fees alone. I forget what the revenue was from fines. I don't hear many businesses bitching about the taxes, it's the cost of regulation that's killing them. The pendulum has swung too far and needs come back towards being in balance.
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Post by badhabitude on Dec 3, 2016 21:52:11 GMT
A general comment on the media and pundits. They do what they do. Its how they make a living. They don't say stuff when they feel like it, they say stuff whether they feel like it or not because its their job. They aren't going to be right all the time. In general, the people who read them or listen ALREADY have their point of view. Influence? I say bullshit because in general, those that don't agree don't listen. So; Non issue and way over rated
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Dec 3, 2016 21:55:40 GMT
Carrier got a massive tax break to stay, that's on taxpayers. 700 jobs, were still sliced and 1000 Carrier jobs are still leaving Indiana. Still waiting for Trump to tax Carrier as he promised. Faux News even said is was putting lipstick on a pig. Indiana had to fork over $7M. And apparently Trump gave himself credit this morning for selling arms to Taiwan. Can't make this shiite up. Indiana didnt fork over anything. It COST the taxpayers nothing. And $700,000 a year for 10 years - insinuating that anyone knows how those tax breaks are formulated is disingenuous... perhaps a profit-reduction? And why are you so offended that Trump might have sold Taiwan arms? Obama sold them nearly $2 billion last year. I am not offended. I am laughing that Trump to credit for arms sale. Someone has to pay for the tax break so Carrier can stay. That is a fact. And not all the jobs were saved. Some Carrier jobs were still cut.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 17:24:20 GMT
I'm ok with it if it's a bluff or a morale builder for the start of his Presidency. I don't want it to continue and have a President infringing on private property rights or picking winners and losers like a crony capitalist. I do find it odd that this kind of thing has been accompanied by people setting up an "I told you so" to other workers in manufacturing. Got to be a rung between the service economy, government jobs, and white collar gigs. Current jobs market isn't working outside the major cities... Supposedly Carrier's CEO carped about the regulations more than the taxes and there was something like 35 passed by Obama that affect their air conditioners. Enviromental regs from the Subaru Set have got to go along with the "dirty air, dirty water" rhetoric. The regs are a killer. The past 8 years there was nobody even tapping the breaks on the EPA. They've gone so far on how you have to deal with stormwater, whether you're a developer or a municipality, that even green-at-any-cost MA is pissed at them. Get caught not adhering to the new lead paint rules when remodeling a pre-1978 house? The fine is over $30k. You may have registered with the EPA, gotten your crew trained and certified, done 100% of everything correct on the jobsite but messed up on the paperwork and you're toast. That fine has put many small remodeling contractors out of business around the country. The EPA created the rule during the depth of the recession mainly to bring in revenue. Within 2 years it brought in over $300m in fees alone. I forget what the revenue was from fines. I don't hear many businesses bitching about the taxes, it's the cost of regulation that's killing them. The pendulum has swung too far and needs come back towards being in balance. What a joke. Unelected people making laws...sounds great. If they can put a small business owner out of business and hire another bureaucrat with the fine money, that's a beautiful thing!!! What the Democrats with bylines, that fake economist fourth estate in the Times and other bullshit venues are overlooking, is the possibility that Carrier becomes an emblem of American manufacturing and Trump support and their business really takes off because if this new branding. I don't think any Republican needing a new air conditioner won't at least go to their website. So all of a sudden, the jobs that were still lost become 2000 new ones with tripled production, and the communities where these guys live get the multiplier effect. www.cnbc.com/2016/12/01/trumps-carrier-speech-absolutely-chilling-economic-analyst-says.html^^^Can't make this stuff up. "Pethokoukis, a scholar with the conservative-leaning American Enterprise Institute" Translation: nobody on the Street will hire him becuase he doesn't have the quant chops, meaning he's a social studies major like you know, a sociology or anthropology student.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Dec 4, 2016 17:58:44 GMT
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Post by goodnewsbears on Dec 4, 2016 18:02:42 GMT
Mexicans have to work also. He doesn't want them to do yardwork in the US. Might as well give them Carrier jobs.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Dec 4, 2016 18:09:17 GMT
Mexicans have to work also. He doesn't want them to do yardwork in the US. Might as well give them Carrier jobs. How the US job market will look in 4 to 8 years. Free market!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 16:43:08 GMT
The IYIs in the media are being taken for a ride again: www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/cias-absence-conviction/You figure they would learn from their experiences with these Ahmad Chalabi types-if the CIA even has sources on this one at all...their informants make Eklund look credible. "Now both Julian Assange and I have stated definitively the leak does not come from Russia. Do we credibly have access? Yes, very obviously. Very, very few people can be said to definitely have access to the source of the leak. The people saying it is not Russia are those who do have access. After access, you consider truthfulness. Do Julian Assange and I have a reputation for truthfulness? Well in 10 years not one of the tens of thousands of documents WikiLeaks has released has had its authenticity successfully challenged. As for me, I have a reputation for inconvenient truth telling. Contrast this to the “credible sources” Freedland relies on. What access do they have to the whistleblower? Zero. They have not the faintest idea who the whistleblower is. Otherwise they would have arrested them. What reputation do they have for truthfulness? It’s the Clinton gang and the US government, for goodness sake."
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Dec 12, 2016 2:52:07 GMT
"Republicans manufacture crisis over nonexistent voter fraud while ignoring real evidence of Russian interference in US elections. Voter suppression, FBI, Russia. The election was rigged: by the people who supported Trump. McCain and Graham will get an investigation."
"Michigan GOP on recount: "no evidence of fraud." Michigan GOP on voter ID: "fraud, fraud, fraud." MI GOP opposed recount to accurately count votes but now rushing strict voter ID law through lame duck legislature. The party that poisoned Flint is now poisoning democracy."
Trump claimed massive voter fraud without evidence but is now opposing efforts to accurately count all the votes. Never had any proof illegals voted..none. In Virginia it's easier to buy a gun than it is to vote.
But somehow a writer has knowledge that tne CIA lying along with proof Russia didn't hack any emails. Lies, half-truths and innuendos Incoming.
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Post by sportsnut on Dec 12, 2016 3:34:56 GMT
It's bad when Trump claims voter fraud. Its applauded when Jillary Clintonstein wastes millions of dollars and states' time and tax money because of suspicion of...voter "inaccuracies". Is that kind of like how it was unfathomable and unpatriotic when Trump said "wait and see" about accepting the outcome of the election and Jillary Clintonstein got a lauded for ensuring the democratic process ran equitably? What a fine line we walk.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Dec 12, 2016 3:53:13 GMT
Trump claims voter fraud right before the election but then condemns any recount efforts.
Can't make that up.
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Post by sportsnut on Dec 12, 2016 4:07:39 GMT
Trump claims voter fraud right before the election but then condemns any recount efforts. Can't make that up. Clinton condemns Trump for not committing to accept the outcome of the election before the election, then when she clearly loses, does not accept the outcome. Can't make that up.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Dec 12, 2016 4:10:40 GMT
Trump claims voter fraud right before the election but then condemns any recount efforts. Can't make that up. Clinton condemns Trump for not committing to accept the outcome of the election before the election, then when she clearly loses, does not accept the outcome. Can't make that up. Clinton sued for recounts ? Clinton didn't call Trump to congratulate him ? Oh ok.
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Post by sportsnut on Dec 12, 2016 4:12:46 GMT
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Dec 12, 2016 4:27:14 GMT
That said they she didn't concede ? Clinton campaign didn't sue. Her campaign were only going to help count the votes even though they knew that the recounts would be shutdown. Calling Trump after the election was about over is conceding. Nice try though, A for effort.
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Post by sportsnut on Dec 12, 2016 4:36:53 GMT
That said they she didn't concede ? Clinton campaign didn't sue. Her campaign were only going to help count the votes even though they knew that the recounts would be shutdown. Calling Trump after the election was about over is conceding. Nice try though, A for effort. San, the Clinton campaign took an active part in a recount effort. It doesn't get any more "not accepting the outcome" than that. You DO know a concession is not legally binding right? And you can't possibly think that HRC wouldn't accept the outcome had the recount turned the election, instead of her losing votes... Thats just silliness.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Dec 12, 2016 4:42:00 GMT
That said they she didn't concede ? Clinton campaign didn't sue. Her campaign were only going to help count the votes even though they knew that the recounts would be shutdown. Calling Trump after the election was about over is conceding. Nice try though, A for effort. San, the Clinton campaign took an active part in a recount effort. It doesn't get any more "not accepting the outcome" than that. You DO know a concession is not legally binding right? And you can't possibly think that HRC wouldn't accept the outcome had the recount turned the election, instead of her losing votes... Thats just silliness. The Clinton campaign said they would help with counting votes. Myself, most other people and the Clinton campaign knew that conservative state houses along with republican judges and governors were not going to allow recounts. Excercise in futility. What is silly is you don't know that when a political opponent calls to congratulate their opponents, that is conceding. The Clinton campaign wanted to act like the actually cared for a second. They knew there would be no recount. Pretty suprising you couldn't figure that out as well.
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Post by sportsnut on Dec 12, 2016 4:51:38 GMT
San, the Clinton campaign took an active part in a recount effort. It doesn't get any more "not accepting the outcome" than that. You DO know a concession is not legally binding right? And you can't possibly think that HRC wouldn't accept the outcome had the recount turned the election, instead of her losing votes... Thats just silliness. The Clinton campaign said they would help with counting votes. Myself, most other people and the Clinton campaign knew that conservative state houses along with republican judges and governors were not going to allow recounts. Excercise in futility. What is silly is you don't know that when a political opponent calls to congratulate their opponents, that is conceding. The Clinton campaign wanted to act like the actually cared for a second. They knew there would be no recount. Pretty suprising you couldn't figure that out as well. Snippy huh? Still hurting? It will be ok, man. But just to clear things up. 1. Concessions are not legally binding. They are etiquette, but can be taken back. Just as Al Gore did. He called Bush back and gave him the "just kidding". They mean NOTHING. I'm actually surprised HRC gave the courtesy. 2. There actually was a recount, which HRC supported as evidenced by.. everyone, but you. That means she did not accept the result. To boot, the campaigns have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with actually counting votes, it is done on the local level.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Dec 12, 2016 5:00:24 GMT
I didn't vote for Clinton. Her campaign knew there would be no recount allowed. No one mentioned "a legal binding", no reason to bring it up. Saying they would go along or help in a recount was for show.
Stein can now pocket the rest of the donation that wasn't used to sue. Trump is still hypocrite and liar for saying there was voter fraud before the election but bemoaned any recount effort.
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