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Post by islamorada on Dec 30, 2016 2:09:29 GMT
The voice of drama! Brush up on your US History. I have. I looked it up. There was a civil war in the early to mid 1860's. Yup, Nostradamus. What do you do for a living?
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Post by badhabitude on Dec 31, 2016 0:06:33 GMT
I have. I looked it up. There was a civil war in the early to mid 1860's. Yup, Nostradamus. What do you do for a living? I have no idea what you are talking about. You said that polarization is a good thing. Why? How about explaining simply enough so that even *I* can understand - granted that you are insinuating that I am completely ignorant about... everything?
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Post by islamorada on Dec 31, 2016 1:45:23 GMT
Yup, Nostradamus. What do you do for a living? I have no idea what you are talking about. You said that polarization is a good thing. Why? How about explaining simply enough so that even *I* can understand - granted that you are insinuating that I am completely ignorant about... everything? If you let me know more about yourself other than I am polish in decent then I will discuss deeper US History with you. I am a AP US History teacher with sucess with greater emphasis applied to my students socio-economic background. I will discuss historical perspectives with you but not if you are in a diatribe of self recognition. History is History but comparing today to 1860 let alone 1960 is foolish to today. The late 1880s politics was not polar. The last ten years is not polar. Now we have a definitive difference. I like to observe and refrain from judgment as historical perspectives are diverse. Read MacPersons why they fought in the civil war. Now that is a people's view of war. Trump is different but he in my opinion is so mainstream. If he cuts government spending and debt he is awesome. Otherwise he is the change I heard from Obama. I say wake up to the fact we are saving the world and creating our on demise.
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Post by badhabitude on Jan 1, 2017 19:03:17 GMT
I have no idea what you are talking about. You said that polarization is a good thing. Why? How about explaining simply enough so that even *I* can understand - granted that you are insinuating that I am completely ignorant about... everything? If you let me know more about yourself other than I am polish in decent then I will discuss deeper US History with you. I am a AP US History teacher with sucess with greater emphasis applied to my students socio-economic background. I will discuss historical perspectives with you but not if you are in a diatribe of self recognition. History is History but comparing today to 1860 let alone 1960 is foolish to today. The late 1880s politics was not polar. The last ten years is not polar. Now we have a definitive difference. I like to observe and refrain from judgment as historical perspectives are diverse. Read MacPersons why they fought in the civil war. Now that is a people's view of war. Trump is different but he in my opinion is so mainstream. If he cuts government spending and debt he is awesome. Otherwise he is the change I heard from Obama. I say wake up to the fact we are saving the world and creating our on demise. I don't see why knowing more about me has anything to do with anything in this discussion, but I will grant that to you - so what do you need to know about me specifically? I don't know what you are fishing for, but I will guess. I was an English major in college, my girlfriend in college and beyond was an artist earning an MFA, I know a fair amount about art and art history. My first wife was a Brit, an honors history student from University of Warwick in England. My current wife double majored in history and computer science and went into law, she's a paralegal. I read quite a bit, the only fiction I am exposed to is the theater and movies. I am a software QA engineer, I write code that performs tests on software to make sure it is working as designed. I have no idea what you mean about a diatribe of self recognition, you are asking about me and my background and this diatribe of self recognition seems to suggest that you have no interest in this. So you're an AP history teacher? I don't mean to insult you, but that means nothing to me. I worked my way through college doing carpentry and rebuilt my house literally from the foundation to the roof and I often hear home owners who do stuff like I do say "better than a professional" would do the job - which is about the stupidest thing anyone could say as there are extremely incompetent tradesman out there as well as extremely competent ones. So you're an AP history teacher? Among your peers, are there any more competent than you? Any less competent? Any who are MUCH less or more competent? You see the point I'm making? MacPersons? Did you mean James M. McPherson? So why is polarization a good thing? Saving the world and creating our own demise?
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Post by islamorada on Jan 1, 2017 21:34:03 GMT
If you let me know more about yourself other than I am polish in decent then I will discuss deeper US History with you. I am a AP US History teacher with success with greater emphasis applied to my students socio-economic background. I will discuss historical perspectives with you but not if you are in a diatribe of self recognition. History is History but comparing today to 1860 let alone 1960 is foolish to today. The late 1880s politics was not polar. The last ten years is not polar. Now we have a definitive difference. I like to observe and refrain from judgment as historical perspectives are diverse. Read MacPersons why they fought in the civil war. Now that is a people's view of war. Trump is different but he in my opinion is so mainstream. If he cuts government spending and debt he is awesome. Otherwise he is the change I heard from Obama. I say wake up to the fact we are saving the world and creating our on demise. I don't see why knowing more about me has anything to do with anything in this discussion, but I will grant that to you - so what do you need to know about me specifically? I don't know what you are fishing for, but I will guess. I was an English major in college, my girlfriend in college and beyond was an artist earning an MFA, I know a fair amount about art and art history. My first wife was a Brit, an honors history student from University of Warwick in England. My current wife double majored in history and computer science and went into law, she's a paralegal. I read quite a bit, the only fiction I am exposed to is the theater and movies. I am a software QA engineer, I write code that performs tests on software to make sure it is working as designed. I have no idea what you mean about a diatribe of self recognition, you are asking about me and my background and this diatribe of self recognition seems to suggest that you have no interest in this. So you're an AP history teacher? I don't mean to insult you, but that means nothing to me. I worked my way through college doing carpentry and rebuilt my house literally from the foundation to the roof and I often hear home owners who do stuff like I do say "better than a professional" would do the job - which is about the stupidest thing anyone could say as there are extremely incompetent tradesman out there as well as extremely competent ones. So you're an AP history teacher? Among your peers, are there any more competent than you? Any less competent? Any who are MUCH less or more competent? You see the point I'm making? MacPersons? Did you mean James M. McPherson? So why is polarization a good thing? Saving the world and creating our own demise? Nice background Bad hab, high IQ with moderate means when growing up. That is basically myself. I was always a very liberal thinker, I loved Benjamin Disraeli probably induced by the Cream album. He grew more liberal with age, unlike I guess myself. The past ten years I am disgusted with the American political scene to a point that I feel and now think the whole system is without any truly American political values as I view history. I have worked as a painter, now carpenter while teaching. AP United States History is basically bragging, I was very successful. Yet, not because of academic prowess but because I am autodidatic with a very good memory. I guess high IQ but my sister is even higher but without any common sense. I digress. I know history enough to say "it does not repeat itself", but the national or world conscience is usually lost in a generation or so. So many in the US don't even know what happened in the 1930s let alone the 1860s. So history does repeat itself in that we as citizens are duped by our own lack of reflection of the past dictatorships, genocide, murder, stupid wars, and whatnot. So I am very guarded of my personal rights as an American citizen. Neither party holds my attention. Both are creating economic/government feudalism. The debt is binding the average american, the national debt is a way for those in power to make more money. There is purported idealism, but it is shallow. So I am a libertarian, maybe a dinosaur in terms of thinking. Hilary and Donald were no real choices. Trump was a way to polarize Americans to think of the future or act like many of the zombie films now found in today's films. We will be forced to think beyond what is preached by the political intelligentsia. Spell check error on MacPersons, ha. You are correct James M. McPherson. It is a very revealing look at why soldiers fought. Lastly the American corporate government wants the American people to feel that the work done globally is somehow best for the future of all people in the world. It is primarily to protect oil interest and insure capitalism is maintained. Thus the thinking we Americans are under a new type of feudalism. I am for capitalism but not corporate capitalism. It is no longer the 1960s-70s, it is a new way of thinking. Polarization to create more choices other than the Clinton/Bush decades. I am tired of those old time thinkers, we need younger people in politics. Trump will make it happen. Transparency. By the way, I love carpentry as my grandfather was a cabinet maker, I am not a cabinet maker. There is my thinking with detail. Enjoy the New Year.
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Post by sportsnut on Jan 1, 2017 21:49:49 GMT
I think I grasp what you're getting at Isla, but I think neither of you are using the term "polarizing" in the same sense. Correct me if I'm wrong, Isla you believe that Trump and the Hag Hillary were NOT "two sides of the same coin", hence the polarizing left one with a clear choice in direction between the two candidates? BadHab, polarization is a bad thing for you, as you want all of American's to love each other and come to agreement, as long as the agreement agrees with the liberal ideology?
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Post by islamorada on Jan 2, 2017 0:05:02 GMT
I think I grasp what you're getting at Isla, but I think neither of you are using the term "polarizing" in the same sense. Correct me if I'm wrong, Isla you believe that Trump and the Hag Hillary were NOT "two sides of the same coin", hence the polarizing left one with a clear choice in direction between the two candidates? BadHab, polarization is a bad thing for you, as you want all of American's to love each other and come to agreement, as long as the agreement agrees with the liberal ideology? Imo there is no two party system, it is a system of one. No poles of thinking in a larger view. The people who voted for OBama for change voted for Trump this time around. Change? Trump is different he will create poles of political view. Finally. Debt is the real threat still. He will be a one term President.
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Post by badhabitude on Jan 2, 2017 3:43:26 GMT
I think I grasp what you're getting at Isla, but I think neither of you are using the term "polarizing" in the same sense. Correct me if I'm wrong, Isla you believe that Trump and the Hag Hillary were NOT "two sides of the same coin", hence the polarizing left one with a clear choice in direction between the two candidates? BadHab, polarization is a bad thing for you, as you want all of American's to love each other and come to agreement, as long as the agreement agrees with the liberal ideology? You're kind of right, but I don't necessarily see the need to 'love each other', but at least not hate each other. Both Clinton and Trump were absolute demons to the other side. This extreme polarization leaves no room for debate - like Pence says no abortion under any circumstances at all, never, incest or rape. I think very few Americans would agree with that. I think the talk radio drums up this hatred. We have a system. I think its a good system. There is too much of 'the other guys are dead wrong'. And not enough work getting done fixing what we have. Just like people on this board who say blow the team up, trade almost every single player except your 3 youngest and best and start over. It's a fantasy to think you can do that and end up with better. It's hard work to work with what you HAVE and not what you WANT to have.
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Post by badhabitude on Jan 2, 2017 3:54:42 GMT
I don't see why knowing more about me has anything to do with anything in this discussion, but I will grant that to you - so what do you need to know about me specifically? I don't know what you are fishing for, but I will guess. I was an English major in college, my girlfriend in college and beyond was an artist earning an MFA, I know a fair amount about art and art history. My first wife was a Brit, an honors history student from University of Warwick in England. My current wife double majored in history and computer science and went into law, she's a paralegal. I read quite a bit, the only fiction I am exposed to is the theater and movies. I am a software QA engineer, I write code that performs tests on software to make sure it is working as designed. I have no idea what you mean about a diatribe of self recognition, you are asking about me and my background and this diatribe of self recognition seems to suggest that you have no interest in this. So you're an AP history teacher? I don't mean to insult you, but that means nothing to me. I worked my way through college doing carpentry and rebuilt my house literally from the foundation to the roof and I often hear home owners who do stuff like I do say "better than a professional" would do the job - which is about the stupidest thing anyone could say as there are extremely incompetent tradesman out there as well as extremely competent ones. So you're an AP history teacher? Among your peers, are there any more competent than you? Any less competent? Any who are MUCH less or more competent? You see the point I'm making? MacPersons? Did you mean James M. McPherson? So why is polarization a good thing? Saving the world and creating our own demise? Nice background Bad hab, high IQ with moderate means when growing up. That is basically myself. I was always a very liberal thinker, I loved Benjamin Disraeli probably induced by the Cream album. He grew more liberal with age, unlike I guess myself. The past ten years I am disgusted with the American political scene to a point that I feel and now think the whole system is without any truly American political values as I view history. I have worked as a painter, now carpenter while teaching. AP United States History is basically bragging, I was very successful. Yet, not because of academic prowess but because I am autodidatic with a very good memory. I guess high IQ but my sister is even higher but without any common sense. I digress. I know history enough to say "it does not repeat itself", but the national or world conscience is usually lost in a generation or so. So many in the US don't even know what happened in the 1930s let alone the 1860s. So history does repeat itself in that we as citizens are duped by our own lack of reflection of the past dictatorships, genocide, murder, stupid wars, and whatnot. So I am very guarded of my personal rights as an American citizen. Neither party holds my attention. Both are creating economic/government feudalism. The debt is binding the average american, the national debt is a way for those in power to make more money. There is purported idealism, but it is shallow. So I am a libertarian, maybe a dinosaur in terms of thinking. Hilary and Donald were no real choices. Trump was a way to polarize Americans to think of the future or act like many of the zombie films now found in today's films. We will be forced to think beyond what is preached by the political intelligentsia. Spell check error on MacPersons, ha. You are correct James M. McPherson. It is a very revealing look at why soldiers fought. Lastly the American corporate government wants the American people to feel that the work done globally is somehow best for the future of all people in the world. It is primarily to protect oil interest and insure capitalism is maintained. Thus the thinking we Americans are under a new type of feudalism. I am for capitalism but not corporate capitalism. It is no longer the 1960s-70s, it is a new way of thinking. Polarization to create more choices other than the Clinton/Bush decades. I am tired of those old time thinkers, we need younger people in politics. Trump will make it happen. Transparency. By the way, I love carpentry as my grandfather was a cabinet maker, I am not a cabinet maker. There is my thinking with detail. Enjoy the New Year. You struck a cord with me, what I believe is the core of the problems in this country "I am for capitalism but not corporate capitalism." The CEO's are making a disproportionate amount of money compared to the workers, be it white collar or blue collar. And when they fuck up or break the law or allow employees to break the law or are unethical, they don't pay the price. The CEO of yahoo skimped on security and that led to that security breech, that CEO walked away with something like 155 million despite fucking up royally. If you have a snow plowing business and if you do something that jeopardizes every one of your clients, you are screwed, you get sued and probably will be bankrupt. But these guys have gamed the system so that no matter what happens they walk off with millions. It's just plain wrong. And the other half of it is - if guys like you and me get a big bonus, we spend it, it goes right back into the economy. If I got a million dollars some amount of that gets spent right off, pay off my mortgage and cars and I would pay guys to fix shit around the house instead of doing it myself. If those CEOs get a million, they play the market or otherwise shove it up their ass and it doesn't stimulate the economy.
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Post by sportsnut on Jan 2, 2017 4:00:17 GMT
I think I grasp what you're getting at Isla, but I think neither of you are using the term "polarizing" in the same sense. Correct me if I'm wrong, Isla you believe that Trump and the Hag Hillary were NOT "two sides of the same coin", hence the polarizing left one with a clear choice in direction between the two candidates? BadHab, polarization is a bad thing for you, as you want all of American's to love each other and come to agreement, as long as the agreement agrees with the liberal ideology? You're kind of right, but I don't necessarily see the need to 'love each other', but at least not hate each other. Both Clinton and Trump were absolute demons to the other side. This extreme polarization leaves no room for debate - like Pence says no abortion under any circumstances at all, never, incest or rape. I think very few Americans would agree with that. I think the talk radio drums up this hatred. We have a system. I think its a good system. There is too much of 'the other guys are dead wrong'. And not enough work getting done fixing what we have. Just like people on this board who say blow the team up, trade almost every single player except your 3 youngest and best and start over. It's a fantasy to think you can do that and end up with better. It's hard work to work with what you HAVE and not what you WANT to have. I don't think the candidates created the polarization. I don't even think either of them are polarizing by political nature. Will Trump work with Democrats? I think so, he has to if he wants to change things as much as he spoke of. I think HRC is more centrist than A LOT of people in the democrat party as well. I do think something has happened to segments of society though in the recent past. The political intolerance brought out in this past campaign season and post-election has disgusted me. It's like a fascism of ideas. If one doesn't agree with someone, you're a fucking _________. Insert any derogatory word there. It's kind of funny, at Trump's rallies, he always walked off the stage to "You can't always get what you want" (Stones) Well guess what, its friggin true. And it applies to the political world as well as the world of ideas.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jan 3, 2017 6:55:50 GMT
"House Republicans voted on a measure Monday night — on a federal holiday, with no advance public notice, and reportedly despite opposition from leaders Paul Ryan and Kevin McCarthy — that would eliminate both the office’s independence and its ability to communicate with the public. The full House of Representatives will vote on the proposal Tuesday as part of a new package of Congressional rules.
The Office of Congressional Ethics would no longer be independent: House Republicans voted to put it under the control of the House Ethics Committee, meaning that lawmakers — and in practice, the Republican majority — would be in charge of the office that’s supposed to be investigating them."
A Banana Republic is upon the US. This is really, really bad.
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Post by walktheline on Jan 3, 2017 11:14:42 GMT
That's why I never like to see one party with the majority in both houses. It doesn't matter which party...can't trust these assholes.
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Post by sportsnut on Jan 3, 2017 20:29:05 GMT
"House Republicans voted on a measure Monday night — on a federal holiday, with no advance public notice, and reportedly despite opposition from leaders Paul Ryan and Kevin McCarthy — that would eliminate both the office’s independence and its ability to communicate with the public. The full House of Representatives will vote on the proposal Tuesday as part of a new package of Congressional rules. The Office of Congressional Ethics would no longer be independent: House Republicans voted to put it under the control of the House Ethics Committee, meaning that lawmakers — and in practice, the Republican majority — would be in charge of the office that’s supposed to be investigating them." A Banana Republic is upon the US. This is really, really bad. You can come out of your apocalypse shelter for some sun and a margarita San, the vote was rescinded. America is great again.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jan 3, 2017 21:29:29 GMT
"House Republicans voted on a measure Monday night — on a federal holiday, with no advance public notice, and reportedly despite opposition from leaders Paul Ryan and Kevin McCarthy — that would eliminate both the office’s independence and its ability to communicate with the public. The full House of Representatives will vote on the proposal Tuesday as part of a new package of Congressional rules. The Office of Congressional Ethics would no longer be independent: House Republicans voted to put it under the control of the House Ethics Committee, meaning that lawmakers — and in practice, the Republican majority — would be in charge of the office that’s supposed to be investigating them." A Banana Republic is upon the US. This is really, really bad. You can come out of your apocalypse shelter for some sun and a margarita San, the vote was rescinded. America is great again. Until after the mid-terms anyway.
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Post by sportsnut on Jan 3, 2017 21:37:10 GMT
You can come out of your apocalypse shelter for some sun and a margarita San, the vote was rescinded. America is great again. Until after the mid-terms anyway. Haha! I don't know which direction mid-terms are going to go. 8 Republicans up and 23 Dems in the Senate. Could be just what the Democrats need or a bloodbath.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jan 4, 2017 0:18:05 GMT
Until after the mid-terms anyway. Haha! I don't know which direction mid-terms are going to go. 8 Republicans up and 23 Dems in the Senate. Could be just what the Democrats need or a bloodbath. Ha yah you do. Super majority, fillibuster proof 60 vote. Open those national parks up and start drilling for Uranium.
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Post by badhabitude on Jan 18, 2017 0:36:35 GMT
In a best case scenario a nonprofessional politician taking the highest office in the land... I would cringe.
It's impossible to pick the first shit storm because there are so many potential ones that could erupt.
And if a new crisis happens, I have no idea what will happen, I just hope its not too serious -as in nuclear war.
This is going to be ugly. I think most of the people who voted for him are going to regret it. Already odds makers in England are betting he will not survive all 4 years, that he will get himself impeached.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 0:46:12 GMT
Where did the clown go I miss him?
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Post by walktheline on Jan 18, 2017 0:55:48 GMT
In a best case scenario a nonprofessional politician taking the highest office in the land... I would cringe. It's impossible to pick the first shit storm because there are so many potential ones that could erupt. And if a new crisis happens, I have no idea what will happen, I just hope its not too serious -as in nuclear war. This is going to be ugly. I think most of the people who voted for him are going to regret it. Already odds makers in England are betting he will not survive all 4 years, that he will get himself impeached. You're too old to fall for this alarmist bullshit. Get a grip, man.
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Post by badhabitude on Jan 18, 2017 1:40:13 GMT
In a best case scenario a nonprofessional politician taking the highest office in the land... I would cringe. It's impossible to pick the first shit storm because there are so many potential ones that could erupt. And if a new crisis happens, I have no idea what will happen, I just hope its not too serious -as in nuclear war. This is going to be ugly. I think most of the people who voted for him are going to regret it. Already odds makers in England are betting he will not survive all 4 years, that he will get himself impeached. You're too old to fall for this alarmist bullshit. Get a grip, man. Old enough to know that the "full speed ahead" order when there are lots of big ice bergs around isn't a good idea. Veering slightly out of the way of alarmist, maybe not a total disaster, but the debate topic will be how bad.
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Post by goodnewsbears on Jan 18, 2017 3:44:14 GMT
Where did the clown go I miss him? There are three clowns on the Celts forum. He could be one of them.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jan 18, 2017 4:17:54 GMT
"During her confirmation hearing Tuesday evening, Donald Trump’s nominee to head the Department of Education, Betsy DeVos, said that guns should be allowed in America’s schools as long as the locals said it was cool and that she would support the president-elect’s plan to get rid of gun-free school zones. DeVos’ reasoning was your typical it’s “best left to locales and states to decide,” but she chose to back that reasoning up with the hypothetical that in Wyoming “there is probably a gun in the schools to protect from potential grizzlies.”
The grizzly bear defense. That's a new one."
Mercy!
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Post by walktheline on Jan 18, 2017 10:38:00 GMT
"During her confirmation hearing Tuesday evening, Donald Trump’s nominee to head the Department of Education, Betsy DeVos, said that guns should be allowed in America’s schools as long as the locals said it was cool and that she would support the president-elect’s plan to get rid of gun-free school zones. DeVos’ reasoning was your typical it’s “best left to locales and states to decide,” but she chose to back that reasoning up with the hypothetical that in Wyoming “there is probably a gun in the schools to protect from potential grizzlies.” The grizzly bear defense. That's a new one." Mercy! DeVos may be the worst nominee of Trump's cabinet. She's an ideologue and dumb as a rock. Very bad combination. I think there are enough moderate republicans to keep her in check so I don't think she'll be able to do too much harm. I hope she either doesn't get confirmed or decides to take her $ and play elsewhere.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jan 18, 2017 22:42:45 GMT
Suck on that Tea Potty!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 22:32:52 GMT
The Man is Officially in charge!Hey Trump can you come to Canada and take care of the Islamists terrorist we have running our country please.
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