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Post by wayne on Jul 31, 2021 23:04:51 GMT
This Eichel situation is really interesting. The team wanted him to rest and rehab a herniated disk in his neck which he has done with no improvement. So the Sabres want him to do a vertebrae fusion and he wants to do a disk replacement. Recovery from disk replacement is -3 months and from fusion +6 months. Apparently the Sabres have not shared his medical records with anyone and wont unless they get offered what they want.Eichel is on IR/LTIR does he remain on this and remain getting paid during the season if this dispute drags on? What happens if Eichel says screw it and just gets the surgery he wants?
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Post by shuperman on Aug 1, 2021 0:44:54 GMT
Sabres chances of landing a great pkg shrinks by the day. Eventually they will have to move him.
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Post by 50belowzero on Aug 1, 2021 13:43:23 GMT
This situation has just gotten messier and messier and i don't mean Mark. Adam's seems to have painted himself into the corner of diminishing returns but is till think something will get done. I can see the Ducks circling back or the Flames getting involved, both need a boost to their lineup, especially Anaheim who is in a rebuild. Adam's has to lower his ask.
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Post by islamorada on Aug 2, 2021 12:58:59 GMT
Sabres chances of landing a great pkg shrinks by the day. Eventually they will have to move him. Totally agree. If the Sabres thought they were pinched by Hall at the trade deadline, they have to realize the pinch was self inflicted with Eichel. Eichel's injury is the only reason I do not want the Bs to look into the trade. Vertabrae replacement or fusion is scary surgery. The replacement has never been done on a hockey player, and the fusion technique eventually will cause problems on the the adjacent vertabrae. Either of those conditions will make any team hesitate trading 4 or 5 picks, or prospects, or young players to acquire his very unique talents. The mere fact he is continually pushing for a trade is also disconcerting for the Sabres. The world of hockey is a flat cap. 10m for 5 years is a high risk. If the Bs had a chance it would be for 3 picks, or prospects or players. For that matter $ would have to go back to the Sabres, ie. Moore's contract. It isn't even an option if the Sabres wait till training camp to supposedly maximize their potential deal. The Sabres management gets an big fail on the handling of this situation. |
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Post by wayne on Aug 2, 2021 19:08:45 GMT
Sabres chances of landing a great pkg shrinks by the day. Eventually they will have to move him. The replacement has never been done on a hockey player, and the fusion technique eventually will cause problems on the the adjacent vertabrae. I don't think this is actually true. It's never been done on an NHL player., it's been done on non nhl players, ufc fighters etc.. At some point the season's lost one way or another. If he refuses to do the fusion what happens, if he goes ahead and does the replacement what happens? Is the contract voided? Does he play in Europe? Do the Sabres let it go that far? |
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Post by Fletcher on Aug 2, 2021 20:47:35 GMT
Sabres chances of landing a great pkg shrinks by the day. Eventually they will have to move him. Yeah, I'm not really understanding the play at this point. It seems like the time to get the best deal is a little earlier when you have a bunch of teams with cap space and free agent desires. Maybe get a a little bidding war going. Now, most teams have spent their nut on something else, or dealt their assets for others. The draft is over too, where maybe you could have found a more immediate value in Beniers, McTavish, or Johnson. If the Sabres aren't planning to keep Eichel, I can't understand what they're thinking they'll get for him right now. |
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Post by wayne on Aug 2, 2021 21:13:42 GMT
It seems hard to believe that they would let it stretch out until his no trade kicks in, but? Whatever team he goes to might have to agree to the replacement surgery unless that issue disappears with a new team. I don't see how you could trade for him with that uncertainty
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Post by 50belowzero on Aug 2, 2021 21:17:47 GMT
The way its going i could see Eichel not reporting to camp, this situation will escalate not deescalate. I also see the Sabres not wanting to trade him in their division, a little more open to their Conference, but preferably to the Western conference. When looking at these options it narrows the teams down considerably. The teams that could be interested are the Ducks, Rags, Flamers and BJ's as i see it. To me the BJ's would be ideal but i have no idea if they have the assets or the cap space to make a deal. The BJ's need a top line C in the worst way and Eichel fits the bill, he would also be under team control for 5 years , perfect as there would be no holdouts. Anyway the way it stands right now i don't see the offers, whatever have been tendered getting better than what already is there. Adding to all this acrimony is the surgery that hasn't been done and its recovery time and effectiveness. Its a mess.
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Post by shuperman on Aug 2, 2021 21:20:56 GMT
The way its going i could see Eichel not reporting to camp, this situation will escalate not deescalate. I also see the Sabres not wanting to trade him in their division, a little more open to their Conference, but preferably to the Western conference. When looking at these options it narrows the teams down considerably. The teams that could be interested are the Ducks, Rags, Flamers and BJ's as i see it. To me the BJ's would be ideal but i have no idea if they have the assets or the cap space to make a deal. The BJ's need a top line C in the worst way and Eichel fits the bill, he would also be under team control for 5 years , perfect as there would be no holdouts. Anyway the way it stands right now i don't see the offers, whatever have been tendered getting better than what already is there. Adding to all this acrimony is the surgery that hasn't been done and its recovery time and effectiveness. Its a mess. His best bet imho is rags and kings. I thought about the caps maybe dangling kuznetsov with mcmichael and kempny to balance money. Im not sure what team will offer a slam dunk offer with his nevk issues |
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Post by 50belowzero on Aug 2, 2021 21:22:08 GMT
The way its going i could see Eichel not reporting to camp, this situation will escalate not deescalate. I also see the Sabres not wanting to trade him in their division, a little more open to their Conference, but preferably to the Western conference. When looking at these options it narrows the teams down considerably. The teams that could be interested are the Ducks, Rags, Flamers and BJ's as i see it. To me the BJ's would be ideal but i have no idea if they have the assets or the cap space to make a deal. The BJ's need a top line C in the worst way and Eichel fits the bill, he would also be under team control for 5 years , perfect as there would be no holdouts. Anyway the way it stands right now i don't see the offers, whatever have been tendered getting better than what already is there. Adding to all this acrimony is the surgery that hasn't been done and its recovery time and effectiveness. Its a mess. His best bet imho is rags and kings. I thought about the caps maybe dangling kuznetsov with mcmichael and kempny to balance money. Im not sure what team will offer a slam dunk offer with his nevk issues The Kings just signed Danault and they have Kopitar, i think that ship has sailed. |
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Post by shuperman on Aug 3, 2021 0:08:10 GMT
His best bet imho is rags and kings. I thought about the caps maybe dangling kuznetsov with mcmichael and kempny to balance money. Im not sure what team will offer a slam dunk offer with his nevk issues The Kings just signed Danault and they have Kopitar, i think that ship has sailed. Maybe. They have tools to get it done. Having danault as 3rd line center nit a bad thing. We have coyle chugging 5m as 3rd line |
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Post by 50belowzero on Aug 3, 2021 19:00:38 GMT
The Kings just signed Danault and they have Kopitar, i think that ship has sailed. Maybe. They have tools to get it done. Having danault as 3rd line center nit a bad thing. We have coyle chugging 5m as 3rd line They do and they could but any team should be careful with a spine injury, Eichel is making $10 mill for awhile. Thats alot of dough if he can't get back to 100%. |
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Post by The OC on Aug 3, 2021 19:24:31 GMT
The Eichel situation is an absolute mess for Buffalo. I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot poll.
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Post by shuperman on Aug 4, 2021 1:43:10 GMT
The Eichel situation is an absolute mess for Buffalo. I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot poll. I can build an allstar team with tbe players you dont want or like. |
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Post by shuperman on Aug 4, 2021 1:43:44 GMT
Eixhel is turning into Yashin
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Post by The OC on Aug 4, 2021 1:45:42 GMT
Eixhel is turning into Yashin So you like him? |
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Post by shuperman on Aug 4, 2021 2:00:01 GMT
Eixhel is turning into Yashin So you like him? If you look back in history when San said he was better then Mcdavid you would see that i absolutely do not like him, his makeup or his whiny attitude. Having said that, he has world class skill. I will call him Yashin from now on. |
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Post by 50belowzero on Aug 4, 2021 2:28:15 GMT
I'm not saying i would be on board with it but maybe the B's could get something done in an Eichel trade. If they came up with the best offer and all other teams have walked away then who knows. I think they would have to be assured that Eichel's surgery would be a success and his career could resume. The biggest reason i think it wouldn't happen other than the Sabres not wanting to trade in their own division is that the B's wouldn't want to take on that $10 mil a yr salary with a flat cap for a couple years anyway going forward. They know they have Pasta & Charlie coming up and can't count on the hometown discount. That being said, the B's swing the trade, Jack gets the surgery and comes back for the playoffs ala Kuchy, and the B's swing a trade for Ekholm & Forsberg at the deadline, bada boom autocup baby!
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Post by shuperman on Aug 4, 2021 2:39:19 GMT
I'm not saying i would be on board with it but maybe the B's could get something done in an Eichel trade. If they came up with the best offer and all other teams have walked away then who knows. I think they would have to be assured that Eichel's surgery would be a success and his career could resume. The biggest reason i think it wouldn't happen other than the Sabres not wanting to trade in their own division is that the B's wouldn't want to take on that $10 mil a yr salary with a flat cap for a couple years anyway going forward. They know they have Pasta & Charlie coming up and can't count on the hometown discount. That being said, the B's swing the trade, Jack gets the surgery and comes back for the playoffs ala Kuchy, and the B's swing a trade for Ekholm & Forsberg at the deadline, bada boom autocup baby! Sounds like something i would suggest. |
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Post by sandogbrewin on Aug 4, 2021 11:43:03 GMT
Eichel is in Boston skating with Krug, Wagner along with some other NHLrs.
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Post by 50belowzero on Aug 4, 2021 12:11:52 GMT
I'm not saying i would be on board with it but maybe the B's could get something done in an Eichel trade. If they came up with the best offer and all other teams have walked away then who knows. I think they would have to be assured that Eichel's surgery would be a success and his career could resume. The biggest reason i think it wouldn't happen other than the Sabres not wanting to trade in their own division is that the B's wouldn't want to take on that $10 mil a yr salary with a flat cap for a couple years anyway going forward. They know they have Pasta & Charlie coming up and can't count on the hometown discount. That being said, the B's swing the trade, Jack gets the surgery and comes back for the playoffs ala Kuchy, and the B's swing a trade for Ekholm & Forsberg at the deadline, bada boom autocup baby! Sounds like something i would suggest. Definitely a couple ShupseyLand trades involved there for sure. |
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Post by kelvana33 on Aug 4, 2021 13:33:22 GMT
Eichel is in Boston skating with Krug, Wagner along with some other NHLrs. Been at Warrior the last 2 weeks, usually every summer he's at Foxboro, Krug is also skating at Thayer Academy with Mcavoy, Coyle and the other locals. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 4, 2021 13:51:55 GMT
I'm not saying i would be on board with it but maybe the B's could get something done in an Eichel trade. If they came up with the best offer and all other teams have walked away then who knows. I think they would have to be assured that Eichel's surgery would be a success and his career could resume. The biggest reason i think it wouldn't happen other than the Sabres not wanting to trade in their own division is that the B's wouldn't want to take on that $10 mil a yr salary with a flat cap for a couple years anyway going forward. They know they have Pasta & Charlie coming up and can't count on the hometown discount. That being said, the B's swing the trade, Jack gets the surgery and comes back for the playoffs ala Kuchy, and the B's swing a trade for Ekholm & Forsberg at the deadline, bada boom autocup baby! See, I think the only way this happens is if there is still debate about whether the surgery is 100% safe and that he'll come back at 100%. If there was no risk, the Sabres wouldn't be fighting it tooth and nail. What do they care about Eichel having a slightly longer recovery time? Are they thinking they'll miss the playoffs because of it?  No, the only way the Bruins get Eichel is if they're the only ones with the cojos to take the chance and pay something significant to get him. I have no idea what that would be at this point, but it might as well include Studnicka because you'd basically be giving up on him breaking in as a centre for the next 3 years or so (assuming Bergeron continues). DeBrusk, Studnicka, Grz and a First? That's about the best offer the Bruins could make and I don't see it going over unless the Sabres really had to grin and take it...meaning that no one else is willing to take the risk. If they did make the move, though...put Eichel on LTIR for the year and hope he comes back for the playoffs and then have fun spending the $10M in overages you'd suddenly be able to use with him on LTIR. Now the cap space to rent an Ekholm has fallen into your lap. |
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Post by The OC on Aug 4, 2021 13:53:28 GMT
If you look back in history when San said he was better then Mcdavid you would see that i absolutely do not like him, his makeup or his whiny attitude. Having said that, he has world class skill. I will call him Yashin from now on. Great, you have your first member of the Shupe Hates All-Star Team! |
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 4, 2021 14:07:17 GMT
Sabres chances of landing a great pkg shrinks by the day. Eventually they will have to move him. Yeah, I'm not really understanding the play at this point. It seems like the time to get the best deal is a little earlier when you have a bunch of teams with cap space and free agent desires. Maybe get a a little bidding war going. Now, most teams have spent their nut on something else, or dealt their assets for others. The draft is over too, where maybe you could have found a more immediate value in Beniers, McTavish, or Johnson. If the Sabres aren't planning to keep Eichel, I can't understand what they're thinking they'll get for him right now. I have to think the original plan was to move him this year and get the biggest, baddest return possible...but then he had a terrible year and a neck injury and it all went to shit. The Sabres have managed this more like they wanted to make sure they could move him for a quality return than like they wanted to keep him - procedure with the shorter recovery time matters to them why? adversarial relationship is no big deal because? They failed to recognize that the circumstances took option 1 off the table for them. There was no McAvoy-like offer on the table for a guy with a neck problem and a $10M contract who wasn't even scoring at a point/game pace and led his team into a horrible funk. They're now dug in and likely won't be able to trade him until his NMC kicks in. Then he can demand a trade and only accept a trade to the Bruins. For John Moore and a third. My best guess is that Eichel eventually gets the surgery he wants. The Sabres will then grieve this in one way or another, but their "hammer" is to void Eichel's contract because their "protection" is intended to be against him doing something that makes him unable to fulfill his deal. They aren't going to void his deal and make him a UFA. They might also be able to fine him but it will be a drop in the bucket. Once he gets the surgery, the Sabres won't be able to move him until he can pass a physical unless the other team waives that requirement and takes on the risk. And that will either force the Sabres to move him while he has no say in where if there's a team that will take that chance, or he will come back to them next season with a full NMC, and they will either have to eat crow (rescind the fine, for example) and bend over backwards to mend fences with Eichel or give him the hammer on where he gets traded. They could mend fences and play him long enough to hope that he shows he's back to being a top player, then try to make a trade, but he still has that NMC. The Pegulas have really managed to screw that franchise up pretty badly. And it's funny...Buffalo and Edmonton pre-Cap were constantly crying about not being able to keep players because rich franchises drove up the market value of players and made it impossible for them to compete. But they still did somehow. Now there's a Cap and both franchises have owners with unbelievably deep pockets and ... Nothing. Both suck, and arguably suck worse than before. |
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No, the only way the Bruins get Eichel is if they're the only ones with the cojos to take the chance and pay something significant to get him. I have no idea what that would be at this point, but it might as well include Studnicka because you'd basically be giving up on him breaking in as a centre for the next 3 years or so (assuming Bergeron continues). DeBrusk, Studnicka, Grz and a First? That's about the best offer the Bruins could make and I don't see it going over unless the Sabres really had to grin and take it...meaning that no one else is willing to take the risk.