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Post by dannycater on Feb 1, 2022 15:32:25 GMT
So the one constant since 2000 was Brady. I always had Brady to turn too for hey well he played against so and so and he was teammates with so and so. Now it's Bergeron. But the reality is that no one can go on forever in sports. Golfers do and have, but it's not a team sport. My 30s to 50s have been following the amazing Brady and the Super Bowl titles that came with it. I feel old now that Tom has called it quits. Not that I didn't know I was old, just that he was my inspiration that you can play sports past what people used to think was way past someone's prime. I appreciate the Super Bowls and the wacky comebacks, last minute series. I was saddened that he went to Tampa, but genuinely happy for him when Tampa won. A classy, often funny guy, he was the Greatest of All-Time in Boston Sports. Bobby Orr and Bill Russell were as good as it gets, and Ted Williams was larger than life, but Brady transcended time and the overall success in a sport that usually doesn't translate but to a few SB wins for so many, he made it a regular happening in NE. I salute him and thank him for all the great sports memories and great successes.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Feb 1, 2022 15:52:43 GMT
LoL 😂
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Post by davinator on Feb 1, 2022 16:55:18 GMT
No mention of the Patriots....
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 1, 2022 19:03:19 GMT
There are a handful of players I've seen over the years who would make you stare at the screen as they did the same damn thing in the most meaningful moments, over and over and over, and it seemed like no one could stop them. You knew what was coming, you knew exactly what they would want to do, and you still couldn't stop it. You'd watch Gretzky set up behind the net, find a guy, pucks in the net, and you'd wonder how the hell the defense let him take that spot and set up that play. Brady would throw pass after pass under 2 min to a Welker or Gronk or Edelman or Coates or Brown or Branch, or check downs to backs, and most of the passes would hit between the hash marks or just outside of them. No 40 yard passes to the far boundary to gain six yards. And you think "isn't that where you have the most guys to prevent those passes?" How are these guys always open, for the right number of yards? Over and over, marching down the field.... It looked like any idiot should be able to figure out how to stop it, but the timing and the accuracy of the passes was just unstoppable over and over and over. You can't stop a perfect pass (well, Deion Sanders playing man to man on, say, nite as the wide receiver...no pass is perfect enough).
I hated the tuck rule. I hate the way the Falcons and Pete Carroll buffed his record in the Super Bowl by snatching failure from the jaws of victory. But no one did what he did better, and even at 400 or however old he is now, it took another amazing play by a WR who is having possibly the best season by a WR in league history to knock him out (doesn't happen if Talib is still out there for the Bucs).
I am 100% sure that he will enjoy spending his ridiculous amount of money and I hope he has a hot wife.
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Post by dannycater on Feb 1, 2022 19:12:34 GMT
There are a handful of players I've seen over the years who would make you stare at the screen as they did the same damn thing in the most meaningful moments, over and over and over, and it seemed like no one could stop them. You knew what was coming, you knew exactly what they would want to do, and you still couldn't stop it. You'd watch Gretzky set up behind the net, find a guy, pucks in the net, and you'd wonder how the hell the defense let him take that spot and set up that play. Brady would throw pass after pass under 2 min to a Welker or Gronk or Edelman or Coates or Brown or Branch, or check downs to backs, and most of the passes would hit between the hash marks or just outside of them. No 40 yard passes to the far boundary to gain six yards. And you think "isn't that where you have the most guys to prevent those passes?" How are these guys always open, for the right number of yards? Over and over, marching down the field.... It looked like any idiot should be able to figure out how to stop it, but the timing and the accuracy of the passes was just unstoppable over and over and over. You can't stop a perfect pass (well, Deion Sanders playing man to man on, say, nite as the wide receiver...no pass is perfect enough). I hated the tuck rule. I hate the way the Falcons and Pete Carroll buffed his record in the Super Bowl by snatching failure from the jaws of victory. But no one did what he did better, and even at 400 or however old he is now, it took another amazing play by a WR who is having possibly the best season by a WR in league history to knock him out (doesn't happen if Talib is still out there for the Bucs). I am 100% sure that he will enjoy spending his ridiculous amount of money and I hope he has a hot wife. I didn't like the offensive game plan, conservative playcalling of the Perfect Season SB, I think he played well enough to win the 2nd Giants encounter, he only passed in a game that had more total yards by 2 teams in NFL history in the SB loss to Philly. So I think the Seattle the Butler Did It and 28-3 more than make up for those 3. I didn't think the Giants deserved the 2nd win, I'll give them credit for the first one, but still no imagination by Pats offense after all year long having a blast going on 4th downs and trying to run up scores. Then conservative because they were afraid. Makes no sense.
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 1, 2022 20:00:46 GMT
There are a handful of players I've seen over the years who would make you stare at the screen as they did the same damn thing in the most meaningful moments, over and over and over, and it seemed like no one could stop them. You knew what was coming, you knew exactly what they would want to do, and you still couldn't stop it. You'd watch Gretzky set up behind the net, find a guy, pucks in the net, and you'd wonder how the hell the defense let him take that spot and set up that play. Brady would throw pass after pass under 2 min to a Welker or Gronk or Edelman or Coates or Brown or Branch, or check downs to backs, and most of the passes would hit between the hash marks or just outside of them. No 40 yard passes to the far boundary to gain six yards. And you think "isn't that where you have the most guys to prevent those passes?" How are these guys always open, for the right number of yards? Over and over, marching down the field.... It looked like any idiot should be able to figure out how to stop it, but the timing and the accuracy of the passes was just unstoppable over and over and over. You can't stop a perfect pass (well, Deion Sanders playing man to man on, say, nite as the wide receiver...no pass is perfect enough). I hated the tuck rule. I hate the way the Falcons and Pete Carroll buffed his record in the Super Bowl by snatching failure from the jaws of victory. But no one did what he did better, and even at 400 or however old he is now, it took another amazing play by a WR who is having possibly the best season by a WR in league history to knock him out (doesn't happen if Talib is still out there for the Bucs). I am 100% sure that he will enjoy spending his ridiculous amount of money and I hope he has a hot wife. I didn't like the offensive game plan, conservative playcalling of the Perfect Season SB, I think he played well enough to win the 2nd Giants encounter, he only passed in a game that had more total yards by 2 teams in NFL history in the SB loss to Philly. So I think the Seattle the Butler Did It and 28-3 more than make up for those 3. I didn't think the Giants deserved the 2nd win, I'll give them credit for the first one, but still no imagination by Pats offense after all year long having a blast going on 4th downs and trying to run up scores. Then conservative because they were afraid. Makes no sense. I look at all of his Super Bowls and you know...step one, you have to just acknowledge the obvious and say the dude was 7-3 in Superbowls, won almost twice as many as any other QB, and was just consistently a threat to take the ring home for almost 20 years. Anything I say after this can't take anything away from that because that's just...scoreboard. History. But I do look at the 10 games and think he could easily be 4-6 in those 10 games, and in 2 of the 4 wins, you'd be hard pressed not to give the credit to other Pats and probably Bill overall. He lost twice to the Giants and once to the Philly special when he was great but inexplicably Nick Foles was better. He won three where coaching incompetence - the kind of boneheadedness you can't have an win a championship no matter who you're playing - handed him a win when by all rights he should have lost (You really gotta hand it to Marshawn Lynch; dive right, FG, Falcons win; and how in the world is a coach as feted as Andy Reid so bad at time management?). And the two wins over the Rams were all defense and gameplan. That leaves out-dueling Jake DelHomme, and crushing Andy Reid last year where Brady was just lights out. Looking back, it takes a little shine off the halo, but it doesn't keep him from ascending to heaven.
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Post by 50belowzero on Feb 1, 2022 22:27:44 GMT
Whatever a persons view of Brady and his accomplishments are, the guy still took his teams to 10 Super Bowls.....10, holy mother of pearl. Who is the next closest QB, Bradshaw with 4? Why can't the Vikings get a guy like that, fuck!
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 2, 2022 20:27:40 GMT
Whatever a persons view of Brady and his accomplishments are, the guy still took his teams to 10 Super Bowls.....10, holy mother of pearl. Who is the next closest QB, Bradshaw with 4? Why can't the Vikings get a guy like that, fuck! Elway - 5 (2-3). How would you like to be Cornelius Bennett and go 0-fer in 5 Bowls?
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 2, 2022 20:27:59 GMT
Whatever a persons view of Brady and his accomplishments are, the guy still took his teams to 10 Super Bowls.....10, holy mother of pearl. Who is the next closest QB, Bradshaw with 4? Why can't the Vikings get a guy like that, fuck! They passed on him 5 times.
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Post by kelvana33 on Feb 2, 2022 21:36:43 GMT
Whatever a persons view of Brady and his accomplishments are, the guy still took his teams to 10 Super Bowls.....10, holy mother of pearl. Who is the next closest QB, Bradshaw with 4? Why can't the Vikings get a guy like that, fuck! Elway - 5 (2-3). How would you like to be Cornelius Bennett and go 0-fer in 5 Bowls? Jim Kelly 4
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 2, 2022 22:59:35 GMT
Elway - 5 (2-3). How would you like to be Cornelius Bennett and go 0-fer in 5 Bowls? Jim Kelly 4 I think that's what makes Bennett even sadder, though - he moved over to Atlanta when they lost the first time. Think Charles Haley is second in terms of wins with 5.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Feb 2, 2022 23:01:35 GMT
Whatever a persons view of Brady and his accomplishments are, the guy still took his teams to 10 Super Bowls.....10, holy mother of pearl. Who is the next closest QB, Bradshaw with 4? Why can't the Vikings get a guy like that, fuck! Poor Fran
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Post by 50belowzero on Feb 3, 2022 14:53:26 GMT
Whatever a persons view of Brady and his accomplishments are, the guy still took his teams to 10 Super Bowls.....10, holy mother of pearl. Who is the next closest QB, Bradshaw with 4? Why can't the Vikings get a guy like that, fuck! Poor Fran Fuck!!!
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Post by sandogbrewin on Feb 3, 2022 17:34:32 GMT
Whatever a persons view of Brady and his accomplishments are, the guy still took his teams to 10 Super Bowls.....10, holy mother of pearl. Who is the next closest QB, Bradshaw with 4? Why can't the Vikings get a guy like that, fuck! Elway - 5 (2-3). How would you like to be Cornelius Bennett and go 0-fer in 5 Bowls? If Elway had the offensive line and running game he had in the late 90s during the late 80s. I think the Broncos would have had the Niners dynasty. Late 90s Broncos Oline was insane.
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Post by dannycater on Feb 3, 2022 18:09:35 GMT
Tarkenton tanked in the SB v. Raiders...cost me money as "yout" gambling very early on with teachers. He and Grogan were my favorite QBs growing up.
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 3, 2022 18:09:52 GMT
Elway - 5 (2-3). How would you like to be Cornelius Bennett and go 0-fer in 5 Bowls? If Elway had the offensive line and running game he had in the late 90s during the late 80s. I think the Broncos would have had the Niners dynasty. Late 90s Broncos Oline was insane. Hogs 2.0. Davis was a good back, but was he as special as those 2-3 years of dominance would suggest? I don't think so - not if you put him against some similar guys with lesser lines like Ladainian.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Feb 3, 2022 18:20:44 GMT
I used to love those Viking teams. They just ran into juggernaut AFC squads.
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Post by dannycater on Feb 3, 2022 19:24:45 GMT
I used to love those Viking teams. They just ran into juggernaut AFC squads. Some idiot fan (Philly?) threw a snowball that nearly knocked out Chuck Foreman's eye....Right after Tark there was 2-Minute Tommy Kramer...the hail marys to Ahmad Rashad back in the day.
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 3, 2022 22:12:21 GMT
I used to love those Viking teams. They just ran into juggernaut AFC squads. Some idiot fan (Philly?) threw a snowball that nearly knocked out Chuck Foreman's eye....Right after Tark there was 2-Minute Tommy Kramer...the hail marys to Ahmad Rashad back in the day. Yeah, the Vikes have had some fun players. I really liked Darren Nelson, though he wasn't big enough to be as impactful. Typical Bill Walsh kid as a receiver/runner who was super quick with good footbal IQ. Joey Browner was about as good a safety as you could find. John Randle was always fun to watch. Moss in his heyday was so good even if he was total dink.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Feb 3, 2022 23:19:53 GMT
Ronnie Lott, Dennis Smith, Joey Browner and Jeff Fischer all played in the same defensive backfield at USC.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 2:01:17 GMT
There are a handful of players I've seen over the years who would make you stare at the screen as they did the same damn thing in the most meaningful moments, over and over and over, and it seemed like no one could stop them. You knew what was coming, you knew exactly what they would want to do, and you still couldn't stop it. You'd watch Gretzky set up behind the net, find a guy, pucks in the net, and you'd wonder how the hell the defense let him take that spot and set up that play. Brady would throw pass after pass under 2 min to a Welker or Gronk or Edelman or Coates or Brown or Branch, or check downs to backs, and most of the passes would hit between the hash marks or just outside of them. No 40 yard passes to the far boundary to gain six yards. And you think "isn't that where you have the most guys to prevent those passes?" How are these guys always open, for the right number of yards? Over and over, marching down the field.... It looked like any idiot should be able to figure out how to stop it, but the timing and the accuracy of the passes was just unstoppable over and over and over. You can't stop a perfect pass (well, Deion Sanders playing man to man on, say, nite as the wide receiver...no pass is perfect enough). I hated the tuck rule. I hate the way the Falcons and Pete Carroll buffed his record in the Super Bowl by snatching failure from the jaws of victory. But no one did what he did better, and even at 400 or however old he is now, it took another amazing play by a WR who is having possibly the best season by a WR in league history to knock him out (doesn't happen if Talib is still out there for the Bucs). I am 100% sure that he will enjoy spending his ridiculous amount of money and I hope he has a hot wife. I didn't like the offensive game plan, conservative playcalling of the Perfect Season SB, I think he played well enough to win the 2nd Giants encounter, he only passed in a game that had more total yards by 2 teams in NFL history in the SB loss to Philly. So I think the Seattle the Butler Did It and 28-3 more than make up for those 3. I didn't think the Giants deserved the 2nd win, I'll give them credit for the first one, but still no imagination by Pats offense after all year long having a blast going on 4th downs and trying to run up scores. Then conservative because they were afraid. Makes no sense. Yeah, Ive always felt this way. He really should have won the second Giants game and for sure the Philly game when the defense simply couldnt make a fucking play in the second half. The Atlanta and Seattle games were stunners made possible by the abject ineptitude of their opponents, but TB had to do his part and he did. Those games wash each other out.
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 4, 2022 17:57:18 GMT
Ronnie Lott, Dennis Smith, Joey Browner and Jeff Fischer all played in the same defensive backfield at USC. Lott was such a good safety, people forget he was an all-pro corner as a rookie. Every bit as good at putting people on an island and some of the best ever. It's a sure sign of how the college game has changed that the 1980 USC team with that D backfield, Marcus Allen at RB, Bruce Matthews on the line and John Robinson behind the bench finished 8-2-1 and 11th in the polls...because they couldn't pass the ball, and as physical as that backfield is, they could be beat by a good running game. Hm. Maybe that hasn't really changed?
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Post by sandogbrewin on Feb 4, 2022 20:19:39 GMT
Ronnie Lott, Dennis Smith, Joey Browner and Jeff Fischer all played in the same defensive backfield at USC. Lott was such a good safety, people forget he was an all-pro corner as a rookie. Every bit as good at putting people on an island and some of the best ever. It's a sure sign of how the college game has changed that the 1980 USC team with that D backfield, Marcus Allen at RB, Bruce Matthews on the line and John Robinson behind the bench finished 8-2-1 and 11th in the polls...because they couldn't pass the ball, and as physical as that backfield is, they could be beat by a good running game. Hm. Maybe that hasn't really changed? SC had Roy Foster, Chip Banks, Don Mosebar and Keith Van Horne as well. Those teams were loaded. But somehow lost at home in big games. Yah they didn't stretch the field. It was the beginning of Don James owning the Trojans. John Robinson never hid the fact he could care less about the pass. That is where Terry Donahue figured he could get Robinson in southern California recruiting.
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Post by NAS on Feb 5, 2022 15:25:36 GMT
There will be people who try to take away from him.
Study it all you want.
Watch every play and decide it was luck, or opponent, or teammates, or circumstances.
The fact is that he lead his team and they fucking won all the time.
He is probably the greatest sports player in history.
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Post by 50belowzero on Feb 5, 2022 23:25:08 GMT
Tarkenton tanked in the SB v. Raiders...cost me money as "yout" gambling very early on with teachers. He and Grogan were my favorite QBs growing up. Yep, blew it.
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