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Post by mdsizzle on Aug 6, 2023 16:02:55 GMT
I have newfound respect for the Honey Badger as he really is a strong Fantasy owner. He is not afraid to make deals and is out to improve his team on a daily basis. I probably was reactionary and jealous in my earlier lack of appreciation for him. (no, sizz, he did not pay me to say this). He's a stingy fuck... Never crossed my mind.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Aug 6, 2023 16:06:08 GMT
I have newfound respect for the Honey Badger as he really is a strong Fantasy owner. He is not afraid to make deals and is out to improve his team on a daily basis. I probably was reactionary and jealous in my earlier lack of appreciation for him. (no, sizz, he did not pay me to say this). Agree and all the more reason to take the Vagarator down!
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Post by mdsizzle on Aug 6, 2023 16:52:19 GMT
Thank you, appreciate it. Not sure if I made my team better or worse with the trades but we'll see. I might have one trade left to do, that's if Schlitzy wants to wheel and deal You are definitely making the team your own! I'll bet you are in the playoffs year 1 of the rebuild, and maybe even put up wins.
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Post by HoneyVag on Aug 8, 2023 19:41:48 GMT
Thank you, appreciate it. Not sure if I made my team better or worse with the trades but we'll see. I might have one trade left to do, that's if Schlitzy wants to wheel and deal You are definitely making the team your own! I'll bet you are in the playoffs year 1 of the rebuild, and maybe even put up wins.
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Post by HoneyVag on Aug 8, 2023 19:47:08 GMT
I apologize if you're receiving the same or similar trade offers over and over. Just respectively decline or don't be afraid to counter.
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Post by mdsizzle on Aug 8, 2023 22:38:52 GMT
OK, fuck it why not... I'll make public my latest trade offer to Kelv... Very interested to hear what you guys think if it... Tage for Hellebuyck and two first rounders.
Fair not fair am I nuts or not nuts enough?
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Post by mdsizzle on Aug 8, 2023 22:49:12 GMT
OK, fuck it why not... I'll make public my latest trade offer to Kelv... Very interested to hear what you guys think if it... Tage for Hellebuyck and two first rounders. Fair not fair am I nuts or not nuts enough? Well, shot down in record time... But debate away... If you want.
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Post by The OC on Aug 9, 2023 0:07:20 GMT
OK, fuck it why not... I'll make public my latest trade offer to Kelv... Very interested to hear what you guys think if it... Tage for Hellebuyck and two first rounders. Fair not fair am I nuts or not nuts enough? I understand him not dealing him if he views him as a core piece, but the offer is more than fair.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 9, 2023 14:48:47 GMT
I get the dealing a big "keeper(s)" to get a high draft pick...but I still think I have put up good offers, fair offers where I'm delivering a solid keeper type and not asking for but a middle round pick and shot down. It's head-scratching if you look at the overall of some teams that I think do not have 9 solid keepers.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 9, 2023 14:49:37 GMT
OK, fuck it why not... I'll make public my latest trade offer to Kelv... Very interested to hear what you guys think if it... Tage for Hellebuyck and two first rounders. Fair not fair am I nuts or not nuts enough? I understand him not dealing him if he views him as a core piece, but the offer is more than fair. Anybody who deals 2 draft picks in any deal is a moron unless they already have acquired backup picks.
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Post by HoneyVag on Aug 9, 2023 15:11:21 GMT
Lots of teams just not interested in improving on their 9 keepers. Book was gifted an elite team who could trade extra keepers to teams for draft picks to be better for years but he admittedly doesn't care nor does he care what we think. I could go on about other teams in here but I'll spare you. Sadly I see only 4 contenders in here for now, sticky pussy isn't one of them just yet.
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Post by HoneyVag on Aug 9, 2023 15:20:57 GMT
4 is actually being kind, it's more like 3 with another that has potential if he finds a couple of real goalies
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 9, 2023 17:28:01 GMT
I get the dealing a big "keeper(s)" to get a high draft pick...but I still think I have put up good offers, fair offers where I'm delivering a solid keeper type and not asking for but a middle round pick and shot down. It's head-scratching if you look at the overall of some teams that I think do not have 9 solid keepers. Position matters to me. Seems relatively easy to get decent centres. Much harder to get a goalie who play 60+ games on a team that wins more often than it loses, and who gets shutouts or otherwise keeps the GA down. And I lost a lot of points last year with C sitting on the bench - and I don't mean on the nights I didn't bother to change my lineup. Same with D. I had a lot of nights where I didn't have enough viable D. I probably should have moved a forward to balance the roster. Now I don't want to create imbalance by trading a D. I like the keepers I have. And giving up a pick in a keeper league is...complicated. Because it's not one for one. If I give you a pick for a player I have to also give up another player to protect him, and I have one less chance to replace him. Maybe he's not a keeper, but he's not a "pick him up at the end of the draft" player either, and that's sort of the default for what you'd have to do - pick up your final roster spot out of the undrafted pile. Funny thing is that putting the emphasis on having as big a gap as possible between my D and my G and yours is what the Vag's strategy has looked like from the outside to me. Much easier in my eyes to find a mix of forwards to keep the gap between your F and mine relatively small. I tried to go that way but short of trying to match him in volume of transaction requests, I wasn't going to make much headway employing the same strategy with the old team. And I am amused and interested by the strategy of piling up mid round picks. As of now, the Vag will be over the roster limit before the end of the draft if he keeps 9 keepers. 18 picks plus the 9 - 27 for a 24 man roster. I don't even know how ESPN will handle that. But he's putting his money where his mouth is and trusting that he can get better players through the draft than some of my old keepers and contend by making the right draft picks. Should be interesting to see. I am sure I will be pissed off when he picks players I have my eye on with his five picks between two of mine.
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Post by mdsizzle on Aug 9, 2023 17:38:46 GMT
I understand him not dealing him if he views him as a core piece, but the offer is more than fair. Anybody who deals 2 draft picks in any deal is a moron unless they already have acquired backup picks. A moron.. Well... I guess I've been called worse.
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Post by The OC on Aug 9, 2023 18:38:17 GMT
Gotta say, I love all the turmoil this offseason. By far the most fun to watch. I don't know which team is which, and not just because Book and Vag were on Trading Spaces.
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Post by HoneyVag on Aug 9, 2023 18:40:35 GMT
Over my roster limit? That's not how it works stupid. I'm going to be long gone from the draft after round 20 while you're still drafting the rubbish in 22 23 & 24. So acquiring mid round picks and selecting quality players with those picks is a key part of winning. So you just sit still with what you have and don't worry about making any moves whatsoever to improve. Just don't bitch and complain about where you went wrong come April.
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Post by HoneyVag on Aug 9, 2023 19:13:36 GMT
Imagine you could have an extra 15th or 16th round pick for one of your goalies and then not have to worry about your last round pick. Instead you're going to leave them unprotected and get nothing in return when you should have.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 10, 2023 1:09:33 GMT
I get the dealing a big "keeper(s)" to get a high draft pick...but I still think I have put up good offers, fair offers where I'm delivering a solid keeper type and not asking for but a middle round pick and shot down. It's head-scratching if you look at the overall of some teams that I think do not have 9 solid keepers. Position matters to me. Seems relatively easy to get decent centres. Much harder to get a goalie who play 60+ games on a team that wins more often than it loses, and who gets shutouts or otherwise keeps the GA down. And I lost a lot of points last year with C sitting on the bench - and I don't mean on the nights I didn't bother to change my lineup. Same with D. I had a lot of nights where I didn't have enough viable D. I probably should have moved a forward to balance the roster. Now I don't want to create imbalance by trading a D. I like the keepers I have. And giving up a pick in a keeper league is...complicated. Because it's not one for one. If I give you a pick for a player I have to also give up another player to protect him, and I have one less chance to replace him. Maybe he's not a keeper, but he's not a "pick him up at the end of the draft" player either, and that's sort of the default for what you'd have to do - pick up your final roster spot out of the undrafted pile. Funny thing is that putting the emphasis on having as big a gap as possible between my D and my G and yours is what the Vag's strategy has looked like from the outside to me. Much easier in my eyes to find a mix of forwards to keep the gap between your F and mine relatively small. I tried to go that way but short of trying to match him in volume of transaction requests, I wasn't going to make much headway employing the same strategy with the old team. And I am amused and interested by the strategy of piling up mid round picks. As of now, the Vag will be over the roster limit before the end of the draft if he keeps 9 keepers. 18 picks plus the 9 - 27 for a 24 man roster. I don't even know how ESPN will handle that. But he's putting his money where his mouth is and trusting that he can get better players through the draft than some of my old keepers and contend by making the right draft picks. Should be interesting to see. I am sure I will be pissed off when he picks players I have my eye on with his five picks between two of mine. I'm not going to give away the reason why certain positions are not worth keeping over others, I will say ultimately position may matter if it's a goalie, but I really think you still try to keep the best 9 keepers...positions? Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase (somehow sizz and schlich will give me hell for improper use)
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Post by dannycater on Aug 10, 2023 1:10:45 GMT
When it's time for the draft, the bottom line is you have 9, and you have to fill everything else, so who really gives a fuck what positions you have to fill based on what you have...so if you have 3 good centers and 2 good goalies, again who gives a shit. But I said too much.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 10, 2023 1:13:56 GMT
Gotta say, I love all the turmoil this offseason. By far the most fun to watch. I don't know which team is which, and not just because Book and Vag were on Trading Spaces. this off-season was as bad as the Fonz on the surfboard.
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Post by mdsizzle on Aug 10, 2023 8:19:36 GMT
Position matters to me. Seems relatively easy to get decent centres. Much harder to get a goalie who play 60+ games on a team that wins more often than it loses, and who gets shutouts or otherwise keeps the GA down. And I lost a lot of points last year with C sitting on the bench - and I don't mean on the nights I didn't bother to change my lineup. Same with D. I had a lot of nights where I didn't have enough viable D. I probably should have moved a forward to balance the roster. Now I don't want to create imbalance by trading a D. I like the keepers I have. And giving up a pick in a keeper league is...complicated. Because it's not one for one. If I give you a pick for a player I have to also give up another player to protect him, and I have one less chance to replace him. Maybe he's not a keeper, but he's not a "pick him up at the end of the draft" player either, and that's sort of the default for what you'd have to do - pick up your final roster spot out of the undrafted pile. Funny thing is that putting the emphasis on having as big a gap as possible between my D and my G and yours is what the Vag's strategy has looked like from the outside to me. Much easier in my eyes to find a mix of forwards to keep the gap between your F and mine relatively small. I tried to go that way but short of trying to match him in volume of transaction requests, I wasn't going to make much headway employing the same strategy with the old team. And I am amused and interested by the strategy of piling up mid round picks. As of now, the Vag will be over the roster limit before the end of the draft if he keeps 9 keepers. 18 picks plus the 9 - 27 for a 24 man roster. I don't even know how ESPN will handle that. But he's putting his money where his mouth is and trusting that he can get better players through the draft than some of my old keepers and contend by making the right draft picks. Should be interesting to see. I am sure I will be pissed off when he picks players I have my eye on with his five picks between two of mine. I'm not going to give away the reason why certain positions are not worth keeping over others, I will say ultimately position may matter if it's a goalie, but I really think you still try to keep the best 9 keepers...positions? Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase (somehow sizz and schlich will give me hell for improper use) I sort of do the same.. Obviously it's tougher to get the real point studs, and then I see how they filled up my positions... Hopefully they were not just all centers, but that's where it seems to be easiest to get your big point guys. Wings a bit tougher and then D is the toughest.. Which is why I value foxy and makar... Great to be about to put up some real points from D slots, plus those are the most slots. Goalies are almost a whole different game... Could get a massive season or could be a dud. And ya, you fucked it up. PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE! but at least you recognized it... That's step one.
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 10, 2023 20:12:52 GMT
Imagine you could have an extra 15th or 16th round pick for one of your goalies and then not have to worry about your last round pick. Instead you're going to leave them unprotected and get nothing in return when you should have. Why do you think I'm planning to leave him unprotected?
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Post by HoneyVag on Aug 10, 2023 20:18:04 GMT
Because your history in this league gives me no reason to believe you'll do something that makes any sense.
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 10, 2023 20:20:52 GMT
I'm not going to give away the reason why certain positions are not worth keeping over others, I will say ultimately position may matter if it's a goalie, but I really think you still try to keep the best 9 keepers...positions? Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase (somehow sizz and schlich will give me hell for improper use) I sort of do the same.. Obviously it's tougher to get the real point studs, and then I see how they filled up my positions... Hopefully they were not just all centers, but that's where it seems to be easiest to get your big point guys. Wings a bit tougher and then D is the toughest.. Which is why I value foxy and makar... Great to be about to put up some real points from D slots, plus those are the most slots. Goalies are almost a whole different game... Could get a massive season or could be a dud. And ya, you fucked it up. PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE! but at least you recognized it... That's step one. Goalie scoring is huge in my eyes. 9 goalies had over 300 points last year. #10 had 263, which is over 100 points less than 1, 2, or 3. Short of McDavid - led scoring by 130+ last year - that's a big drop from the top tier to the second tier. I'm also drawn to the fact that a goalie has a 5 point night as soon as he starts, and gets 7 or 8 for a 2-3 goals against win. That's a pretty good night most nights for the top goalies.
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 10, 2023 20:21:08 GMT
Because your history in this league gives me no reason to believe you'll do something that makes any sense. Fair.
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