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Post by jmwalters on Jan 2, 2024 21:28:12 GMT
A bit harsh perhaps but he didn’t move the needle at all. Any high end junior could have slotted in just as well. Yeah, he looked better in some games than others, carried the play at various times but i found his thought process lacking a few times. This was particularly apparent especially when it came to taking a shot on net, over passed way too much. Many times he seemed in a prime scoring spot but looked to pass. Oh well, but as you say he didn't provide anything another top junior couldn't have given. Yep, he can only move on and learn from the experience (especially the high pressure) |
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 2, 2024 21:41:47 GMT
I see in the Sweden/Swiss game the penalties were 5-1 in favor of Sweden, the only Swedish penalty being a 'too many men on the ice' which i'm sure they couldn't avoid calling. They called the 5th Swiss penalty in OT because the Swedes couldn't get the job done in regulation,a little more help was needed. As they say, there's nothing like home cooking.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 2, 2024 23:20:23 GMT
I see in the Sweden/Swiss game the penalties were 5-1 in favor of Sweden, the only Swedish penalty being a 'too many men on the ice' which i'm sure they couldn't avoid calling. They called the 5th Swiss penalty in OT because the Swedes couldn't get the job done in regulation,a little more help was needed. As they say, there's nothing like home cooking. That was awful what the refs did. And then refused to review the Swedish player in the crease. IIHF rules are specific and there refs are terrible. |
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Post by barleytinking on Jan 2, 2024 23:30:47 GMT
Yeah, a couple weeks, that wasn't so bad was it? Canada lost, Poitras was not the only one singled out, yet look Wheeler needed to slam just one more time with a whole paragraph denigrating Poitras (imo). Matt Poitras’ struggles a factor in Canada’s loss I, and I think Hockey Canada (though they’d never say it), expected more from Poitras in particular. He finished the tournament with four points in five games, tied for third on the team in scoring, but the whole event he looked like he was playing under the weight of the expectations typically placed on an NHLer. His decision-making and play selection, hallmarks of his game and a big reason why he stuck with the Bruins out of camp this year, were particularly head-scratching. He was holding onto pucks for far too long, turning pucks over in bad spots, and making his plays too late. It was frustrating to watch from a player who has always been a natural playmaker/passer/driver. His lines never got going and I think the leading factor in that was often how much he was forcing it. NHL teams send their players to the world juniors for the experience but also to build confidence. Poitras likely goes back to Boston with less than he left with. — Scott Wheeler, NHL staff writer He definitely didn't shine, but he wasn't the largest problem. 2 goals in the first should never have gone in. Just totally bad goals. It wasn't a loaded Team Canada, but some years that happens. Gotta have goaltending, something the Bruins have lots of. |
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 3, 2024 1:39:03 GMT
I see in the Sweden/Swiss game the penalties were 5-1 in favor of Sweden, the only Swedish penalty being a 'too many men on the ice' which i'm sure they couldn't avoid calling. They called the 5th Swiss penalty in OT because the Swedes couldn't get the job done in regulation,a little more help was needed. As they say, there's nothing like home cooking. That was awful what the refs did. And then refused to review the Swedish player in the crease. IIHF rules are specific and there refs are terrible. What country were the refs from, do you know? |
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 3, 2024 2:58:39 GMT
Weak team this year, not surprising, even Canadian media who are always over the top with their Canada WJ predictions had them maybe winning a bronze. That was even a reach from the games i watched. Poitras didn't have much around him at all. Canada goaltending has had to be overcome by having great puck possession team for some years. |
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 3, 2024 3:01:55 GMT
That was awful what the refs did. And then refused to review the Swedish player in the crease. IIHF rules are specific and there refs are terrible. What country were the refs from, do you know? I don't know but IIHF refs are notorious for involving themselves too much in important games. They don't mind PP fests. |
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Post by MrHulot on Jan 3, 2024 3:18:21 GMT
And almost took Ryan Leonard's head off. Had a good game today! |
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Post by MrHulot on Jan 3, 2024 3:50:15 GMT
What country were the refs from, do you know? I don't know but IIHF refs are notorious for involving themselves too much in important games. They don't mind PP fests. The refs were Riku Brander (Finland) & Lukas Kohlmüller (Germany), linesmen Shane Gustafson (USA) & Lukas Rampir (Czechia).
Having watched many games in Europe (mostly in Germany), I have to say that first of all sandog hit the bull's eye with his statement.
And IIHF refs are almost arrogant in their belief that they are practically perfect.
Jupp Kompalla was like a God among German refs in his days. But then I became aware of what he and his partner Franz Baader had done in the 1972 summit series - awful doesn't even begin to describe it.
But in Germany, backwards beyond belief in regards to hockey, they still thought their top refs like Kompalla & Baader were untouchable, and that the stupid "Stausee-Kanadier" (water reservoir Canadians) should shut tf up.
When Team Canada brought in pros in the 1977 world cup, it was like every TV commentator tried to denounce players like Phil Esposito as "brain dead thugs".
But they were totally oblivious to the huge amount of stick fouls committed by the Russians.
Sweden is not the only country that "encourages" "home cooking", but they have notoriously done it before on an even bigger stage, the 1958 soccer world cup. Thank God the Brazilians were still too strong for the Swedish team in the final.
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Post by barleytinking on Jan 3, 2024 18:28:33 GMT
I don't know but IIHF refs are notorious for involving themselves too much in important games. They don't mind PP fests. The refs were Riku Brander (Finland) & Lukas Kohlmüller (Germany), linesmen Shane Gustafson (USA) & Lukas Rampir (Czechia).
Having watched many games in Europe (mostly in Germany), I have to say that first of all sandog hit the bull's eye with his statement.
And IIHF refs are almost arrogant in their belief that they are practically perfect.
Jupp Kompalla was like a God among German refs in his days. But then I became aware of what he and his partner Franz Baader had done in the 1972 summit series - awful doesn't even begin to describe it.
But in Germany, backwards beyond belief in regards to hockey, they still thought their top refs like Kompalla & Baader were untouchable, and that the stupid "Stausee-Kanadier" (water reservoir Canadians) should shut tf up.
When Team Canada brought in pros in the 1977 world cup, it was like every TV commentator tried to denounce players like Phil Esposito as "brain dead thugs".
But they were totally oblivious to the huge amount of stick fouls committed by the Russians.
Sweden is not the only country that "encourages" "home cooking", but they have notoriously done it before on an even bigger stage, the 1958 soccer world cup. Thank God the Brazilians were still too strong for the Swedish team in the final.
Holy Heck Batman, where da f%$# did you get all that info? Like who even keeps tract of it. Impressive. No question about it, they Ref differently over there. If we will all the time, it'd be boring. |
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Post by MrHulot on Jan 4, 2024 0:26:06 GMT
The refs were Riku Brander (Finland) & Lukas Kohlmüller (Germany), linesmen Shane Gustafson (USA) & Lukas Rampir (Czechia).
Having watched many games in Europe (mostly in Germany), I have to say that first of all sandog hit the bull's eye with his statement.
And IIHF refs are almost arrogant in their belief that they are practically perfect.
Jupp Kompalla was like a God among German refs in his days. But then I became aware of what he and his partner Franz Baader had done in the 1972 summit series - awful doesn't even begin to describe it.
But in Germany, backwards beyond belief in regards to hockey, they still thought their top refs like Kompalla & Baader were untouchable, and that the stupid "Stausee-Kanadier" (water reservoir Canadians) should shut tf up.
When Team Canada brought in pros in the 1977 world cup, it was like every TV commentator tried to denounce players like Phil Esposito as "brain dead thugs".
But they were totally oblivious to the huge amount of stick fouls committed by the Russians.
Sweden is not the only country that "encourages" "home cooking", but they have notoriously done it before on an even bigger stage, the 1958 soccer world cup. Thank God the Brazilians were still too strong for the Swedish team in the final.
Holy Heck Batman, where da f%$# did you get all that info? Like who even keeps tract of it. Impressive. No question about it, they Ref differently over there. If we will all the time, it'd be boring.
Like I had posted before, I grew up in soccer-mad Central Europe. And unlike many other kids who grew up there, from the moment I saw my first hockey game on TV I was hooked.
Unfortunately, playing hockey was never really an option (there are simply not enough ice rinks where I grew up, and equipment is too expensive). I can barely skate.
And I have to admit, it was more important to me to finally convince my mother and my stepfather that I needed a guitar (I eventually got a cheap nylon string guitar for my 15th birthday). |
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 4, 2024 16:38:19 GMT
Great 1st game before Sweden blew it open late in the 3rd.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 4, 2024 18:36:04 GMT
Yeah, he looked better in some games than others, carried the play at various times but i found his thought process lacking a few times. This was particularly apparent especially when it came to taking a shot on net, over passed way too much. Many times he seemed in a prime scoring spot but looked to pass. Oh well, but as you say he didn't provide anything another top junior couldn't have given. Yep, he can only move on and learn from the experience (especially the high pressure) This result is almost exactly what I didn't want to happen when they decided to send him. I didn't see the point in allowing him to go, and I do wonder if, with the Bruins now playing better hockey without him than they were with him, they will bite the bullet and send him back to junior. I was listening to an interview with an OHL GM this morning about how tight the OHL standings are as they head to their trade deadline. Guelph getting Pooter back could be a game changer. They're middle of the pack team that struggles to score. One of the guys who scored the goals that inflated Pooter's assists last year - Braeden Bowman - is still there as a 20 yr old, and their current leading scorer is another RW, a 17 yr old. But they're a good defensive team and if Pooter goes back and puts some starch in the offense, maybe they could make a run? More likely, though, that the Bruins and Storm discuss what's best for Poots the way the Kraken and Frontenacs did for Shane Wright. That could put him on a team that's loading up (Ottawa thinks they can compete and also needs goals - and they have former NHL coach Dave Cameron on the bench) where he'd get a chance to have a better final junior experience than this WJHC. And another option is to trade him to the Saginaw Spirit who will definitely play in the Memorial Cup as the host. They have the presumptive #1 overall for 2025 in Michael Misa and their top C is Wild second rounder Hunter Haight. They have the same point total as Guelph but are more likely to want to load up for the Memorial Cup and show well. I really didn't like this Team Canada. A lot will be put on the goalies, but they never got their offense going outside of Celebrini. Injuries, suspensions didn't help. But there's a reason, I think, that guys like Shane Wright weren't allowed to come back. Wright's playing in the AHL now, so it's not like he was essential for the Kraken, but why risk him having this experience when he's coming off of captaining the team to the Gold last year? |
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 4, 2024 19:13:23 GMT
US Achilles heal, the defense, got exposed in the 1st. Need to regroup for the 2nd. Pesky effing Finland!
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 4, 2024 21:39:40 GMT
Pesky pesky forkin Finns!
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Post by MrHulot on Jan 4, 2024 23:18:23 GMT
Pesky pesky forkin Finns! |
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 4, 2024 23:28:32 GMT
Pesky pesky forkin Finns! Oh yeah, a Gold medal win on home soil will elicit mass celebrations, T-shirt and merchandise sales, grand patriotism and overzealous swigging of brannvin, not to mention gluttonous gobbling of herring!! |
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Post by MrHulot on Jan 5, 2024 0:09:50 GMT
I really hope that the final tomorrow will be played on the level. But I won't be shocked if the Swedes get some more "home cooking". Oh yeah, a Gold medal win on home soil will elicit mass celebrations, T-shirt and merchandise sales, grand patriotism and overzealous swigging of brannvin, not to mention gluttonous gobbling of herring!! |
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Post by neelycam on Jan 5, 2024 21:21:59 GMT
USA wins easy. But sure showed no class at all in winning.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 5, 2024 21:23:52 GMT
Revenge is sweet. Gold!!!
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Post by Fletcher on Jan 5, 2024 22:41:50 GMT
Well done, USA. That is a loaded group. So many future NHLers in that game. Quality hosting by Sweden.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 6, 2024 1:26:23 GMT
Congrats to the US, to me they were the better team all tournament long. I must say, regardless of their pool play at the World Juniors which is unreal, the Swede's record in the medal round is very poor. They've only won 2 Gold medal in their entire WJ's history and never when they have hosted, crazy really as they've had some stacked teams.
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Post by barleytinking on Jan 6, 2024 4:08:01 GMT
Congrats to the US Junior Team.
Gotta admit, I lost total interest after Canada was knocked out.
Was looking forward to the semi's where the 2 were to meet.
Oh well, next year.
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Post by MrHulot on Jan 6, 2024 5:46:03 GMT
Congrats to the US, to me they were the better team all tournament long. I must say, regardless of their pool play at the World Juniors which is unreal, the Swede's record in the medal round is very poor. They've only won 2 Gold medal in their entire WJ's history and never when they have hosted, crazy really as they've had some stacked teams.
Too many restraints on the kids who would like to get creative.
Trust me Fiddy, I have seen games involving Swedish teams that were worse than anything Lemaire's trap artist Devils ever did. |
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Post by MrHulot on Jan 6, 2024 5:51:42 GMT
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