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Post by Fletcher on Jan 6, 2024 15:59:01 GMT
I thought the officiating in the Final was refreshing, in that they're weren't a lot of calls, like I was expecting. The US definitely got away with a few and I think Sweden caught on by the 3rd and started having a lot more stick work and hitting, clutching, grabbing. I expected the international refs to call McGroarty for the big hit in the 3rd, just based on optics and violence alone. It was a clean hit, but in a WJC on European soil that's almost always a penalty call. The Swedish fans looked looked a Montreal crowd grasping with arms out, when violent hits weren't leading to immediate powerplays. It actually looked like North America hockey to me.
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Post by MrHulot on Jan 9, 2024 18:04:44 GMT
I don't know but IIHF refs are notorious for involving themselves too much in important games. They don't mind PP fests. The refs were Riku Brander (Finland) & Lukas Kohlmüller (Germany), linesmen Shane Gustafson (USA) & Lukas Rampir (Czechia).
Having watched many games in Europe (mostly in Germany), I have to say that first of all sandog hit the bull's eye with his statement.
And IIHF refs are almost arrogant in their belief that they are practically perfect.
Jupp Kompalla was like a God among German refs in his days. But then I became aware of what he and his partner Franz Baader had done in the 1972 summit series - awful doesn't even begin to describe it. But in Germany, backwards beyond belief in regards to hockey, they still thought their top refs like Kompalla & Baader were untouchable, and that the stupid "Stausee-Kanadier" (water reservoir Canadians) should shut tf up.
When Team Canada brought in pros in the 1977 world cup, it was like every TV commentator tried to denounce players like Phil Esposito as "brain dead thugs". But they were totally oblivious to the huge amount of stick fouls committed by the Russians.
Sweden is not the only country that "encourages" "home cooking", but they have notoriously done it before on an even bigger stage, the 1958 soccer world cup. Thank God the Brazilians were still too strong for the Swedish team in the final.
Interesting story about refs and the major hockey leagues in Germany:
Jupp Kompalla's daughter Nicole, herself a ref in the West German minor leagues, got married to Canadian hockey player Benoit Doucet in the late 80s or early 90s. By that time Doucet was playing for Duesseldorf in the German first division (pre-DEL), and I jokingly said to my hockey buddy Halford "I hope they don't assign Jupp Kompalla to referee any Duesseldorf games". But that's exactly what happened in a road game for Duesseldorf in the 1991-92 season, with the home crowd shouting "Schwiegervater!" ("father-in-law") each time Kompalla made a call...
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 9, 2024 23:46:02 GMT
I thought the officiating in the Final was refreshing, in that they're weren't a lot of calls, like I was expecting. The US definitely got away with a few and I think Sweden caught on by the 3rd and started having a lot more stick work and hitting, clutching, grabbing. I expected the international refs to call McGroarty for the big hit in the 3rd, just based on optics and violence alone. It was a clean hit, but in a WJC on European soil that's almost always a penalty call. The Swedish fans looked looked a Montreal crowd grasping with arms out, when violent hits weren't leading to immediate powerplays. It actually looked like North America hockey to me. Yah I'd say Swedish have a bit Shab in them.
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Post by Fletcher on Jan 10, 2024 14:15:53 GMT
As a western Mass guy, I find that deeply offensive. No, but to be honest, I could've done without some of the USA taunting at the end. I've heard them say that the Swedes really rubbed it in when they beat the US at the U-18, but that seems like a weak excuse -- to just serve poor sportsmanship back in the other direction as soon as you get the chance.
I hate to sound like an old codger, but this grievance mentality is so common in young people now. That "someone was rude/mean to us, so we need to act like jerks to avenge it" is so Gen X and Trumpy. Quit being a victim -- you're on the grand stage, representing your country, in every kid's dream. Show some class. And if Sweden acted without class previously, show you're better. This focus on personal grievances and 'avenging' them is so narcissistic.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jan 10, 2024 18:12:22 GMT
As a western Mass guy, I find that deeply offensive. No, but to be honest, I could've done without some of the USA taunting at the end. I've heard them say that the Swedes really rubbed it in when they beat the US at the U-18, but that seems like a weak excuse -- to just serve poor sportsmanship back in the other direction as soon as you get the chance. I hate to sound like an old codger, but this grievance mentality is so common in young people now. That "someone was rude/mean to us, so we need to act like jerks to avenge it" is so Gen X and Trumpy. Quit being a victim -- you're on the grand stage, representing your country, in every kid's dream. Show some class. And if Sweden acted without class previously, show you're better. This focus on personal grievances and 'avenging' them is so narcissistic. I fixed it for you. Make America Great Again!
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