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Post by sandogbrewin on Feb 19, 2024 21:29:47 GMT
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Post by RichHillOntario on Feb 19, 2024 21:42:32 GMT
I'm watching the visiting Oilers against the Coyotes right now and one thing the B's can not do is take penalties against that mob. Dunba was just called for jabbing Drysaddle in the balls and that Edmonton man advantage had the puck moving around Arizona's zone like it was practice. Constant puck movement, constant pressure with players often rotating positions on the fly in setting up their chances. Ullmark doesn't need a shooting gallery. He's gonna need his crew to get up in Skinner's face.
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Post by dannycater on Feb 19, 2024 21:45:09 GMT
Monty waits to use perhaps his best player on the homestand to the 9th shootout...he has been terrible at decisions...but what a play by 73...Roadhouse steals win
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 19, 2024 21:47:44 GMT
Funny to see all the debbie downer comments only for me to be right and they beat a better team after losing to a bunch of teams that will be golfing before May. They needed a game like this where they got goals from unsuspected sources to break out. They needed a game where THEY come back late and win in OT. Mission accomplished. Successful roadie to follow. Well they didn't exactly play all that great against a contender who's missing key pieces on their backend though book! I mean the game could've been over after 2 if Sway didn't bring his All-Star caliber goaltending. Hey, no one is saying autocup. But when did it become a bad thing that your goalies routinely are #1 star in your wins? Based on the way they've been playing and how fragile they've looked with the lead, I wasn't expecting them to dominate the Stars - a team that a lot of talking heads picked as their Western Champ earlier in preseason. They've now swept the season series against the top team in the Central. Their last two wins are over the top team in the Pacific and the top team in the Central. I don't think this is proof of anything meaningful, but I hope it dampens some of the noise. I wrote somewhere on here that I thought they'd get this one and then use it as a springboard for the kind of roadie where you come back together as a team and find the form you had pre-all-star-break. The way they were playing in January, they could beat anyone and they did beat Tampa, Winnipeg and Colorado - handily in each instance. AS break came at a bad time for them, and they haven't been on the road once since to regain that cohesive game. Step one accomplished. Let's see how they do against the rejuvenated Oilers, then down Highway 2 to play the Lames - maybe by then they won't have to worry about Hanifin? Or Markstrom? Think I'm taking Thursday and Friday off so I can enjoy both games in their entirety...maybe with a pitcher of martinis....
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Post by dannycater on Feb 19, 2024 21:50:00 GMT
One of the best shootouts I've ever seen..Oettinger/Sway put on a clinic
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 19, 2024 21:52:29 GMT
I liked that he powered through Suter's lazy stick check. Two goals from that line? Wow. What will people bitch about when they WIN this one? Too many shots given up. Allowing 50 shots against at home or away is a disgrace. The possession generation can eat a back of dicks with their fascination with counting shots. At the end of the game, 4-3 Bruins with no bonus for the Stars for their 50 shot effort.
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 19, 2024 21:53:53 GMT
One of the best shootouts I've ever seen..Oettinger/Sway put on a clinic I was suprised to see that Oettinger's stats are so stinky this year. Under 91% s% and close to 3 goals/game.
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Post by dannycater on Feb 19, 2024 21:55:06 GMT
Roadhouse pretty much game of the year for him.
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Post by dannycater on Feb 19, 2024 21:57:45 GMT
63,88 and 73 all come through in the clutch..Go B's!
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Post by jmwalters on Feb 19, 2024 22:00:46 GMT
Griz with the second most ice time and a tidy +2 in the win.
Extension coming up.
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 19, 2024 22:02:21 GMT
I'm watching the visiting Oilers against the Coyotes right now and one thing the B's can not do is take penalties against that mob. Dunba was just called for jabbing Drysaddle in the balls and that Edmonton man advantage had the puck moving around Arizona's zone like it was practice. Constant puck movement, constant pressure with players often rotating positions on the fly in setting up their chances. Ullmark doesn't need a shooting gallery. He's gonna need his crew to get up in Skinner's face. Yeah. Another of the things this team has needed was a reality check on the lack of discipline. Third in the league with 216 minors. Death sentence against the Oilers...not quite as bad as Tampa, but we saw what the Bolts could do recently enough to know they can't gamble. Bruins have actually done reasonably well against the Oil. Going back to 2018-19, they've only given them 4 PPG in 8 games. Held them to 21 goals total over those 8, just a little over 2.5/game. 10 of the 21? Draisaitl and McDavid. Of course, that was with the King of the Selke in the lineup.
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Post by The OC on Feb 19, 2024 22:14:06 GMT
So? About Brazeau, boys? I'm talking his overall play. I didn't think he looked out of place. One thing was that guy had some jump all game, was always in motion and was not shy about throwing checks. Not too bad a first showing. Smart, careful, good hands, very big. Solid debut overall, much more impact than most 4th liners they have trotted out.
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Post by RichHillOntario on Feb 19, 2024 22:39:24 GMT
Griz with the second most ice time and a tidy +2 in the win. Extension coming up. Thanks to them down to five D-guys after Lindholm didn't return, jm. Too bad a few years ago, they chose to keep him in the expansion draft over this year's league leader in hits to date with 257. Maybe Grit-less was the more effective player?
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Post by RichHillOntario on Feb 19, 2024 22:41:48 GMT
So? About Brazeau, boys? I'm talking his overall play. I didn't think he looked out of place. One thing was that guy had some jump all game, was always in motion and was not shy about throwing checks. Not too bad a first showing. Smart, careful, good hands, very big. Solid debut overall, much more impact than most 4th liners they have trotted out. Good foot speed, too. Only one game but let's hope Montgomery liked what he saw enough to give him a good go.
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Post by islamorada on Feb 19, 2024 22:50:30 GMT
Griz with the second most ice time and a tidy +2 in the win. Extension coming up. Those +/- stats are the most accurate. Who cares what one sees on ice. Extension means he will be traded in reality.
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Post by jmwalters on Feb 19, 2024 22:52:14 GMT
Griz with the second most ice time and a tidy +2 in the win. Extension coming up. Those +/- stats are the most accurate. Who cares what one sees on ice. Extension means he will be traded in reality. From your lips to gods ears
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Post by jmwalters on Feb 19, 2024 22:52:51 GMT
Griz with the second most ice time and a tidy +2 in the win. Extension coming up. Thanks to them down to five D-guys after Lindholm didn't return, jm. Too bad a few years ago, they chose to keep him in the expansion draft over this year's league leader in hits to date with 257. Maybe Grit-less was the more effective player? Krug’s heir
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Post by islamorada on Feb 19, 2024 22:53:59 GMT
Smart, careful, good hands, very big. Solid debut overall, much more impact than most 4th liners they have trotted out. Good foot speed, too. Only one game but let's hope Montgomery liked what he saw enough to give him a good go. Funny I was thinking of Jamie Benn when watching him. Big, looked slow but was positionally good at least in the offensive zone. It could be a one game wonder, but..... What was with pencil boy Boqvist? He looked inspired. I may have to modify my opinion of his play if so.
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Post by islamorada on Feb 19, 2024 22:55:33 GMT
Those +/- stats are the most accurate. Who cares what one sees on ice. Extension means he will be traded in reality. From your lips to gods ears Book it JMMO!
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 19, 2024 22:59:36 GMT
Griz with the second most ice time and a tidy +2 in the win. Extension coming up. All he does is win, win, win.... It's really funny how much hate he gets. If you only looked at his numbers, you'd wonder why. Second on the team in scoring from the blueline since 2018-19. Second in blueline +/-, one up on Carlo, and he's never been a minus player in any season of his career. All this despite playing about 90 seconds a game less than a bunch of other guys and rarely seeing PPTOI in the last few years. Reminds me of Giggles, and how much hate he got for being a giveaway machine...that they kept playing and kept playing until he crawled out of the hole he dug handing over the series to Montreal in 2014. This is not about wanting to see him re-signed and it's definitely not that I don't see his weaknesses, but over the last few weeks I've tried to evaluate if he's really any worse than some of their other options to play that TOI, and...I think other guys get a pass for shitty play because people lose their minds over the #48. And sure, some of this is he has a horseshoe somewhere in his anatomy, because while you can certainly see him making soft or bonehead plays...HIS mistakes seem to count against him far less than when he gets burned by the mistakes of others where he's the guy trying to cover for someone else's screw up ... and he can't because he's Toby. He's been less effective this year than ever before - well, than in previous regular seasons, anyway. He's not as able to skate the puck out of the zone as in the past, and he's making far fewer plays in the offensive zone. He also doesn't seem to want to shoot. This is the lowest shot output of his career, but his second his s%. I think just like big players, smaller players on D sometime age quickly and that's what we're seeing this year. And that's partly why in previous years, no one really loved Toby, but only GOAT was full on Michael Scott with is hate for Toby. He's crossed the line to target.
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Post by islamorada on Feb 19, 2024 23:07:23 GMT
Griz with the second most ice time and a tidy +2 in the win. Extension coming up. All he does is win, win, win.... It's really funny how much hate he gets. If you only looked at his numbers, you'd wonder why. Second on the team in scoring from the blueline since 2018-19. Second in blueline +/-, one up on Carlo, and he's never been a minus player in any season of his career. All this despite playing about 90 seconds a game less than a bunch of other guys and rarely seeing PPTOI in the last few years. Reminds me of Giggles, and how much hate he got for being a giveaway machine...that they kept playing and kept playing until he crawled out of the hole he dug handing over the series to Montreal in 2014. This is not about wanting to see him re-signed and it's definitely not that I don't see his weaknesses, but over the last few weeks I've tried to evaluate if he's really any worse than some of their other options to play that TOI, and...I think other guys get a pass for shitty play because people lose their minds over the #48. And sure, some of this is he has a horseshoe somewhere in his anatomy, because while you can certainly see him making soft or bonehead plays...HIS mistakes seem to count against him far less than when he gets burned by the mistakes of others where he's the guy trying to cover for someone else's screw up ... and he can't because he's Toby. He's been less effective this year than ever before - well, than in previous regular seasons, anyway. He's not as able to skate the puck out of the zone as in the past, and he's making far fewer plays in the offensive zone. He also doesn't seem to want to shoot. This is the lowest shot output of his career, but his second his s%. I think just like big players, smaller players on D sometime age quickly and that's what we're seeing this year. And that's partly why in previous years, no one really loved Toby, but only GOAT was full on Michael Scott with is hate for Toby. He's crossed the line to target. I like your argument when you don't use stats, cause I know you know of hockey but when you go to stats in hockey then you are a victim of a conclusion that the stats make the player. He is at best a 3rd line LD. He plays on the 1st line LD. He will be doing more of that cause me thinks Hampus has a knee injury. You write well, you are one of the best at analysis, but get off of the stats like +/-. Argh!
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 19, 2024 23:16:57 GMT
Thanks to them down to five D-guys after Lindholm didn't return, jm. Too bad a few years ago, they chose to keep him in the expansion draft over this year's league leader in hits to date with 257. Maybe Grit-less was the more effective player? Krug’s heir I've looked on the interwebs to find any credible source that says the Bruins ever thought he was Krug's heir - or even any credible reporter who said it with conviction. I can't find anything. Best of my recollection is that Sweeney talked about needing growth from within to deal with the loss of Krug, Miller and eventually Chara in a short window, and that meant Zboril, Lauzon, Cliffy making the jump as well as Carlo, Toby taking on bigger roles. I've read a couple of peices that say "the expectation around the Bruins and across the NHL is that Matt Grzelcyk will be called upon to play a bigger role now that Krug is gone." But the only place I ever heard "Krug isn't worth $6M; they have Toby as his heir apparent!" was on here and from the fan driven or quasi-journalistic sites like The Hockey Writers. The only thing those two players have ever really had in common is being short. They don't have the same strengths and weaknesses in their skating; they don't have anything like the same approach to being physical vs. playing the lanes and having a good stick (as much as we liked Krug's willingness to get snarly, he would chase it when he should have been covering especially considering he was unlikely to outmuscle anyone in the corner); they have completely different approaches to playing in the offensive zone with Toby being more of PP manager and Toby wanting to be the franchise QB. It was never there. And I don't think the Bruins ever thought it was.
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 19, 2024 23:28:20 GMT
All he does is win, win, win.... It's really funny how much hate he gets. If you only looked at his numbers, you'd wonder why. Second on the team in scoring from the blueline since 2018-19. Second in blueline +/-, one up on Carlo, and he's never been a minus player in any season of his career. All this despite playing about 90 seconds a game less than a bunch of other guys and rarely seeing PPTOI in the last few years. Reminds me of Giggles, and how much hate he got for being a giveaway machine...that they kept playing and kept playing until he crawled out of the hole he dug handing over the series to Montreal in 2014. This is not about wanting to see him re-signed and it's definitely not that I don't see his weaknesses, but over the last few weeks I've tried to evaluate if he's really any worse than some of their other options to play that TOI, and...I think other guys get a pass for shitty play because people lose their minds over the #48. And sure, some of this is he has a horseshoe somewhere in his anatomy, because while you can certainly see him making soft or bonehead plays...HIS mistakes seem to count against him far less than when he gets burned by the mistakes of others where he's the guy trying to cover for someone else's screw up ... and he can't because he's Toby. He's been less effective this year than ever before - well, than in previous regular seasons, anyway. He's not as able to skate the puck out of the zone as in the past, and he's making far fewer plays in the offensive zone. He also doesn't seem to want to shoot. This is the lowest shot output of his career, but his second his s%. I think just like big players, smaller players on D sometime age quickly and that's what we're seeing this year. And that's partly why in previous years, no one really loved Toby, but only GOAT was full on Michael Scott with is hate for Toby. He's crossed the line to target. I like your argument when you don't use stats, cause I know you know of hockey but when you go to stats in hockey then you are a victim of a conclusion that the stats make the player. He is at best a 3rd line LD. He plays on the 1st line LD. He will be doing more of that cause me thinks Hampus has a knee injury. You write well, you are one of the best at analysis, but get off of the stats like +/-. Argh! At some point in time, you have to check what you're seeing against something tangible. That's why I use the stats; because I guarantee there's a reason the franchise that has won more games and put up more points this millenium than any other continues to roll a player universally hated as - to paraphrase M. Hulot - barely an ECHL defenseman and sometimes quite probably the reason for climate change. There's a reason when Lindholm goes down and Monty puts Toby with McAvoy, they come back and win a game they probably shouldn't have won. Right? Having to play Toby more didn't hurt them. He played more minutes than he's played in months, and they won. How would you like to explain that without stats without sounding like confirmation bias? Oh, it's because everyone else stepped up while he continued to suck. Nah. I don't think the stats make the player but I do think that at some point in time, if the stats tell a completely different story than what you're trying to sell, it's fair to ask why we should believe your story and not the data. And we can agree to disagree on him being "1st line" LD. My case on that one has never been reliant on stats. It has always been that being paired with the team's best defenseman doesn't make you "1st line" LD. If your coach never uses you on special teams, or only when he has to for some reason, and he subs you out of that spot situationally when he needs to press the offense or hold a lead and he wants to shorten the bench, then you're not "1st line". You're playing with the best D on the team because the coach thinks that's his best bet to get the most value out of your mediocre talents. See Matt Bartkowski playing beside Chara, rookie Carlo playing beside Chara, rookie Boychuk playing beside Chara.... It's a strategy; it's not a misguided decision based on thinking Toby is your second best D. I would think this is obvious, but when people push back and say no, he's a 3rd D being played as 1st line, that's where I try to bring in the numbers rather than say "no, he's not" "yes, he is!" "no, he's not...".
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Post by jmwalters on Feb 20, 2024 0:11:34 GMT
Griz with the second most ice time and a tidy +2 in the win. Extension coming up. All he does is win, win, win.... It's really funny how much hate he gets. If you only looked at his numbers, you'd wonder why. Second on the team in scoring from the blueline since 2018-19. Second in blueline +/-, one up on Carlo, and he's never been a minus player in any season of his career. All this despite playing about 90 seconds a game less than a bunch of other guys and rarely seeing PPTOI in the last few years. Reminds me of Giggles, and how much hate he got for being a giveaway machine...that they kept playing and kept playing until he crawled out of the hole he dug handing over the series to Montreal in 2014. This is not about wanting to see him re-signed and it's definitely not that I don't see his weaknesses, but over the last few weeks I've tried to evaluate if he's really any worse than some of their other options to play that TOI, and...I think other guys get a pass for shitty play because people lose their minds over the #48. And sure, some of this is he has a horseshoe somewhere in his anatomy, because while you can certainly see him making soft or bonehead plays...HIS mistakes seem to count against him far less than when he gets burned by the mistakes of others where he's the guy trying to cover for someone else's screw up ... and he can't because he's Toby. He's been less effective this year than ever before - well, than in previous regular seasons, anyway. He's not as able to skate the puck out of the zone as in the past, and he's making far fewer plays in the offensive zone. He also doesn't seem to want to shoot. This is the lowest shot output of his career, but his second his s%. I think just like big players, smaller players on D sometime age quickly and that's what we're seeing this year. And that's partly why in previous years, no one really loved Toby, but only GOAT was full on Michael Scott with is hate for Toby. He's crossed the line to target. The real questions are if he adds or subtracts from Macs play (rendering Mac, the B's best D, less effective), if his overall play is worth his $4.25m salary, and if another more talented or cheaper option would not be more beneficial for both Mac and the Bruins overall. In the end its all about winning and not that Grizz is a good soldier for the org. Example, how long was Bourque saddled with DS and would Bourque's game have risen if he was playing with a better talent for all those years. If you can do better then you should....if you want to win. Him being a scratch in the playoffs where it counts is a better indicator then how many times they beat sub 500 clubs in the regular season.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Feb 20, 2024 1:45:12 GMT
"All he does is win, win, win...."
LoL all he does. Ohh that's rich. Sheltered little boy.
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