The High Stakes of Beecher and Studnicka

[Fletcher]

Beecher and Studnicka -- the Nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

The Bruins haven't drafted/developed (and kept) an impact player at forward in about 7 years, depending on whether you consider Jake Debrusk to be impactful or not (his failure to become a consistent 2nd line scorer makes me think not). Particularly at Center, they haven't had organization success in so, so long, with failure to launch from so many targets (Spooner, Hamill, Koko, JFK, Heinen, Donato, Colborne, Senyshyn), and Seguin of course being traded.

Since Matt Hunwick hit Marc Savard, over a decade ago, the Bruins have been riding Bergeron and Krejci as the top two centers, with no respite. As the 2021-2022 season begins, it's still the same outlook, pending Krejci's status. That's a long drought, and with age and decline coming into play, it seems like an unfair and unreasonable burden on a guy like Bergeron. He needs help.

With limited free agent targets at Center, limited draft potential, and limited trading assets, it seems like the answer needs to come from within (and fast). I think the franchise's success in the next 5+ years hinges on the development of Studnicka and Beecher. If these two turn into JFK and Spooner - we're fucked. Conversely, if Studnicka can become a productive NHL center this year, and Beecher can start that process next year, they might just bridge the gap. I think we're on the brink of a 'rebuild' if these two don't come to the rescue though.

[kelvana33]

I love this subject. When Savard/Bergeron were the top 2 centers, Krejci was in a perfect spot to succeed as the 3rd line center, and ultimately be able to step up to number 2 due to the position he was put in. He had times where he played with wingers like Ryder, Seguin, Marchand and Peverley. Seemless transition for him to move up and I believe he actually led the league in scoring come playoff time. I don't like when they call up a guy they drafted to be a top 6 forward and put him on the 4th line with grinders when they've played top line their whole careers with skill players. Your now asking someone to play in the hardest league in the world and change their game. Most will fail to develop.

[dannycater]

I have zero faith that Studnicka will become a bonafide NHL center...I hope he proves me wrong.

[islamorada]

No offense to anyone but when Bergeron was 18 I saw the talent. My daughter is the only witness. When I saw Krejci come up from Providence, I though he was very noticeable. Studnika was raw two years ago but I could see flashes of excellent play. Last year, no. So yeah, Studnicka is going to have an opportunity. DS should not wait though. Ryan Johansen's stats to pay ratio is not desireable, but Nashville would to dump his contract. Let them eat 3m four 4 years. Cash deal, since it is mighty fine in today's conversations. He is 28 and could easiely fill in the second line center positon. There are options. If the Bs wait for Studs then it is a rebuild. Then it is time to unloaded some other players for Cap space and draft picks.

[badhabitude]

Jul 23, 2021 16:02:03 GMT Fletcher said:

Beecher and Studnicka -- the Nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

The Bruins haven't drafted/developed (and kept) an impact player at forward in about 7 years, depending on whether you consider Jake Debrusk to be impactful or not (his failure to become a consistent 2nd line scorer makes me think not). Particularly at Center, they haven't had organization success in so, so long, with failure to launch from so many targets (Spooner, Hamill, Koko, JFK, Heinen, Donato, Colborne, Senyshyn), and Seguin of course being traded.

Since Matt Hunwick hit Marc Savard, over a decade ago, the Bruins have been riding Bergeron and Krejci as the top two centers, with no respite. As the 2021-2022 season begins, it's still the same outlook, pending Krejci's status. That's a long drought, and with age and decline coming into play, it seems like an unfair and unreasonable burden on a guy like Bergeron. He needs help.

With limited free agent targets at Center, limited draft potential, and limited trading assets, it seems like the answer needs to come from within (and fast). I think the franchise's success in the next 5+ years hinges on the development of Studnicka and Beecher. If these two turn into JFK and Spooner - we're fucked. Conversely, if Spooner can become a productive NHL center this year, and Beecher can start that process next year, they might just bridge the gap. I think we're on the brink of a 'rebuild' if these two don't come to the rescue though.

I don't think it's quite so black and white.

The answer is going to fall in between.

At this moment in time, I think the most that can reasonably be expected from Studnicka is a 3rd line center.  Where I think he might actually end up is a 4th line energy center.

John Beecher.
Freshman and Sophomore years he's been consistently at 1/2 pt a game.  I would have liked to have seen improvement.
He had shoulder surgery in February and has not played since.
Right at this point in time it is an uphill battle, he's going to have to recover from the surgery first of all.  Then it hasn't been determined if he will return to college or play in Providence.
Bottom line is that I wouldn't count on him for this season, I think its fair that he would be fully up to snuff in another 6 months or so.
Maybe after the college season is over he might make the move to Providence?
I feel bad for the kid.
Watch this interview with him at the combine.
A huddle of reporters around him, asking about Mason Power.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmsdpCNJ_GA
When he's done talking about Power and then ask about him - most of the reporters leave, 3 are left.  The guy with the Buffalo Sabres logo seems like he's got to take a desperate piss and is holding it in, trying to focus on something else before his bladder bursts.
It's going to be a few months before we can talk about Beecher seriously, he's got to get healthy and start playing hockey first.
My guess... is that we're looking at a cross between Zach Hamill and Jordan Caron in a best case scenario.

Jacob Lauko?

[badhabitude]

Jul 23, 2021 16:39:47 GMT islamorada said:

No offense to anyone but when Bergeron was 18 I saw the talent. My daughter is the only witness. When I saw Krejci come up from Providence, I though he was very noticeable. Studnika was raw two years ago but I could see flashes of excellent play. Last year, no. So yeah, Studnicka is going to have an opportunity. DS should not wait though. Ryan Johansen's stats to pay ratio is not desireable, but Nashville would to dump his contract. Let them eat 3m four 4 years. Cash deal, since it is mighty fine in today's conversations. He is 28 and could easiely fill in the second line center positon. There are options. If the Bs wait for Studs then it is a rebuild. Then it is time to unloaded some other players for Cap space and draft picks.

No offense to you, but I was at that dev camp and I saw the talent, too.

I've taken all kinds of shit for picking out the talent at dev camps (and non talents) - but the truth is EVERYONE can see it.  It's not that me or Isla are some kind of hockey genius picking these guys out at camp, it is blatant, it is OBVIOUS.  They stand out.  They look different.

They are smoother on their skates - even Lucic where everyone said he was a bad skater, didn't look that way in camp.

Donato and Heinon, same for them, they were having a blast at camp and scoring goals.

Seriously, anyone who's had reasonable time watching hockey can EASILY see the talent out there.


I saw Pasta at camp and I thought "meh".  2 days later people said he was on fire at camp.  I took shit.  Then come to find out his equipment was lost on the plane over.  He had borrowed everything, even borrowed skates.  And I said oh - that's why he looked crappy at camp.  And I took shit for that, people were saying I was making up excuses.  If you even played the sport and had to use someone else's skates or even the first time in new skates, you're fucked.

Anyways.  At camp you can easily see who has the goods to make the jump.

[dannycater]

Jul 23, 2021 16:39:47 GMT islamorada said:

No offense to anyone but when Bergeron was 18 I saw the talent. My daughter is the only witness. When I saw Krejci come up from Providence, I though he was very noticeable. Studnika was raw two years ago but I could see flashes of excellent play. Last year, no. So yeah, Studnicka is going to have an opportunity. DS should not wait though. Ryan Johansen's stats to pay ratio is not desireable, but Nashville would to dump his contract. Let them eat 3m four 4 years. Cash deal, since it is mighty fine in today's conversations. He is 28 and could easiely fill in the second line center positon. There are options. If the Bs wait for Studs then it is a rebuild. Then it is time to unloaded some other players for Cap space and draft picks.

I saw Bergeron's first NHL goal in person...at Staples Center (Kings)...NESN showed a replay of that game, and if you watch it, you see how fluid he was at 18...just ridiculously good and an immediate solid NHL player...DK took a while to get going as a B, but he had some tremendous early shifts when he first came up. Studs...I don't know. A lot to ask--DK 2-time playoff scoring leader, Bergeron 80-time Selke winner or finalist...these guys just don't get replaced or come off a magic tree. We got lucky in Boston--2 great centers after Savard.

[bobruins]

Jul 23, 2021 16:26:22 GMT kelvana33 said:

I love this subject. When Savard/Bergeron were the top 2 centers, Krejci was in a perfect spot to succeed as the 3rd line center, and ultimately be able to step up to number 2 due to the position he was put in. He had times where he played with wingers like Ryder, Seguin, Marchand and Peverley. Seemless transition for him to move up and I believe he actually led the league in scoring come playoff time. I don't like when they call up a guy they drafted to be a top 6 forward and put him on the 4th line with grinders when they've played top line their whole careers with skill players. Your now asking someone to play in the hardest league in the world and change their game. Most will fail to develop.

When Savard went down, Krejci was our No 1 centre with Lucic and Horton on the wings......then Marchand came around and the Marchand / Bergeron changed things.....they were for years 1A & 1B.... until Horton and then Lucic left....

[chappy28]

Jul 23, 2021 16:26:22 GMT kelvana33 said:

I love this subject. When Savard/Bergeron were the top 2 centers, Krejci was in a perfect spot to succeed as the 3rd line center, and ultimately be able to step up to number 2 due to the position he was put in. He had times where he played with wingers like Ryder, Seguin, Marchand and Peverley. Seemless transition for him to move up and I believe he actually led the league in scoring come playoff time. I don't like when they call up a guy they drafted to be a top 6 forward and put him on the 4th line with grinders when they've played top line their whole careers with skill players. Your now asking someone to play in the hardest league in the world and change their game. Most will fail to develop.

Great point....except as I remember it, Bergy was actually the #3 behind DK because he was coming back from his concussion and was still rebuilding his offense that first year plus.  Crazy to think he was our #3 center.  Point is still valid.  B's have a habit of ruinning the confidence of offensive players because they end up in the doghouse for not being "hard to play against".  There has to be a better way to bring along these offensive guys without crushing their confidence and causing so much friction between the player and organization. 

Spooner got a ton of chances, but was always down on his game and rarely got wingers to play a skilled game with
Koko went public calling the organization out for not giving him a chance after he was a top scorer and all-star at the AHL level
JFK got a cup of coffee but didn't stick with it --- I take that as again, not enjoying his time in the organization or seeing a future here
Senyshen went from someone we were hoping was going to be a big, fast scoring winger, but by the end of his first year in Providence they were training him for bottom 6 duty

Our records with forwards is abysmal.  Pasta is an outlier because he's just that good that a coach can't keep him off the ice.  Marchand has always been a really good 

[chappy28]

Jul 23, 2021 16:39:52 GMT badhabitude said:

Jul 23, 2021 16:02:03 GMT Fletcher said:

Beecher and Studnicka -- the Nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

The Bruins haven't drafted/developed (and kept) an impact player at forward in about 7 years, depending on whether you consider Jake Debrusk to be impactful or not (his failure to become a consistent 2nd line scorer makes me think not). Particularly at Center, they haven't had organization success in so, so long, with failure to launch from so many targets (Spooner, Hamill, Koko, JFK, Heinen, Donato, Colborne, Senyshyn), and Seguin of course being traded.

Since Matt Hunwick hit Marc Savard, over a decade ago, the Bruins have been riding Bergeron and Krejci as the top two centers, with no respite. As the 2021-2022 season begins, it's still the same outlook, pending Krejci's status. That's a long drought, and with age and decline coming into play, it seems like an unfair and unreasonable burden on a guy like Bergeron. He needs help.

With limited free agent targets at Center, limited draft potential, and limited trading assets, it seems like the answer needs to come from within (and fast). I think the franchise's success in the next 5+ years hinges on the development of Studnicka and Beecher. If these two turn into JFK and Spooner - we're fucked. Conversely, if Spooner can become a productive NHL center this year, and Beecher can start that process next year, they might just bridge the gap. I think we're on the brink of a 'rebuild' if these two don't come to the rescue though.

I don't think it's quite so black and white.

The answer is going to fall in between.

At this moment in time, I think the most that can reasonably be expected from Studnicka is a 3rd line center.  Where I think he might actually end up is a 4th line energy center.

John Beecher.
Freshman and Sophomore years he's been consistently at 1/2 pt a game.  I would have liked to have seen improvement.
He had shoulder surgery in February and has not played since.
Right at this point in time it is an uphill battle, he's going to have to recover from the surgery first of all.  Then it hasn't been determined if he will return to college or play in Providence.
Bottom line is that I wouldn't count on him for this season, I think its fair that he would be fully up to snuff in another 6 months or so.
Maybe after the college season is over he might make the move to Providence?
I feel bad for the kid.
Watch this interview with him at the combine.
A huddle of reporters around him, asking about Mason Power.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmsdpCNJ_GA
When he's done talking about Power and then ask about him - most of the reporters leave, 3 are left.  The guy with the Buffalo Sabres logo seems like he's got to take a desperate piss and is holding it in, trying to focus on something else before his bladder bursts.
It's going to be a few months before we can talk about Beecher seriously, he's got to get healthy and start playing hockey first.
My guess... is that we're looking at a cross between Zach Hamill and Jordan Caron in a best case scenario.

Jacob Lauko?

Beecher was yet another bad 1st round pick where for some reason the Bruins got too focused on a particular trait (Size/Speed) and decided to completely ignore that he was a third/fourth line player in the USDP for a reason --- lack of offensive ability/IQ.  This pick was basically Senyshen V2 except less of a reach and a guy going the college route instead of Canadian juniors.  Great tools, no toolbox.  I think his ceiling is going to be 3rd line center. 

To me Stud has showed a bit more promise and smarts and should just be a matter of strength and confidence at the NHL level.  Heard he's been bulking up this off-season so I have high hopes for him this upcoming year.  Likely a 3rd line winger to start but I'm guessing that at some point during the season we'll lose a center to injury and he'll get his chance to shine.  

In general though, we really need to get some picks to pan out soon.  The farm is barren outside of Lauko so it will be another 2-3 years after this one before we even have a chance of seeing something exciting emerge from Providence. 

Something that Sweeney has been terrible at is the lower level deals that net you some extra 3rd-4th round picks.  Instead we tend to let our prospects languish either due to lack of opportunity or lack of developement until they eventually refuse to sign or flee to Europe.  I wish we were better at getting ahead of that kind of stuff and making those change of scenery trades ---- something PC excelled at with his under the radar moves that got us McQuaid and Boychuck.  Sure late round picks or other teams developmental projects aren't sure things but it's a bit of a numbers game so it helps to stockpile the chances and hope something pans out. 

[badhabitude]

Jul 23, 2021 17:51:41 GMT chappy28 said:

Jul 23, 2021 16:39:52 GMT badhabitude said:

I don't think it's quite so black and white.

The answer is going to fall in between.

At this moment in time, I think the most that can reasonably be expected from Studnicka is a 3rd line center.  Where I think he might actually end up is a 4th line energy center.

John Beecher.
Freshman and Sophomore years he's been consistently at 1/2 pt a game.  I would have liked to have seen improvement.
He had shoulder surgery in February and has not played since.
Right at this point in time it is an uphill battle, he's going to have to recover from the surgery first of all.  Then it hasn't been determined if he will return to college or play in Providence.
Bottom line is that I wouldn't count on him for this season, I think its fair that he would be fully up to snuff in another 6 months or so.
Maybe after the college season is over he might make the move to Providence?
I feel bad for the kid.
Watch this interview with him at the combine.
A huddle of reporters around him, asking about Mason Power.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmsdpCNJ_GA
When he's done talking about Power and then ask about him - most of the reporters leave, 3 are left.  The guy with the Buffalo Sabres logo seems like he's got to take a desperate piss and is holding it in, trying to focus on something else before his bladder bursts.
It's going to be a few months before we can talk about Beecher seriously, he's got to get healthy and start playing hockey first.
My guess... is that we're looking at a cross between Zach Hamill and Jordan Caron in a best case scenario.

Jacob Lauko?

Beecher was yet another bad 1st round pick where for some reason the Bruins got too focused on a particular trait (Size/Speed) and decided to completely ignore that he was a third/fourth line player in the USDP for a reason --- lack of offensive ability/IQ.  This pick was basically Senyshen V2 except less of a reach and a guy going the college route instead of Canadian juniors.  Great tools, no toolbox.  I think his ceiling is going to be 3rd line center. 

To me Stud has showed a bit more promise and smarts and should just be a matter of strength and confidence at the NHL level.  Heard he's been bulking up this off-season so I have high hopes for him this upcoming year.  Likely a 3rd line winger to start but I'm guessing that at some point during the season we'll lose a center to injury and he'll get his chance to shine.  

In general though, we really need to get some picks to pan out soon.  The farm is barren outside of Lauko so it will be another 2-3 years after this one before we even have a chance of seeing something exciting emerge from Providence. 

Something that Sweeney has been terrible at is the lower level deals that net you some extra 3rd-4th round picks.  Instead we tend to let our prospects languish either due to lack of opportunity or lack of developement until they eventually refuse to sign or flee to Europe.  I wish we were better at getting ahead of that kind of stuff and making those change of scenery trades ---- something PC excelled at with his under the radar moves that got us McQuaid and Boychuck.  Sure late round picks or other teams developmental projects aren't sure things but it's a bit of a numbers game so it helps to stockpile the chances and hope something pans out. 

Been studying the draft and I'm really impressed with the potential out there.
Better hockey outside the NHL will eventually improve the NHL product.

Here's a center that's in the 2nd round, he is a project tho, center, 6'6" 201 lbs. Samuel Helenius.
Reminds me of young Chara or young Kluzak.
Gangly, a bit uncoordinated, but it looks like its just a matter of him growing into his body.
Potentially a poor man's Lindros here.

here he is getting kicked out of a game for a clean hit (wtf?)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ID3Z3GDeWs&t=7s

Here is game film.  He lost his stick at least 3 times, odd.  Anyways, a project, might be a diamond in the rough.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiKF905NT40

[sandogbrewin]

2019 wasn’t a great draft. Only one player picked after Beecher has made an impact. As far as pre Michigan play Beecher played well for the U17/U18 US national team when they played games against the USHL and international teams. Numbers show that. Is Beecher like Krejci or Bergeron ? No but he wasn’t a reach as some suggest.

[badhabitude]

Jul 23, 2021 18:26:51 GMT sandogbrewin said:

2019 wasn’t a great draft. Only one player picked after Beecher has made an impact. As far as pre Michigan play Beecher played well for the U17/U18 US national team when they played games against the USHL and international teams. Numbers show that. Is Beecher like Krejci or Bergeron ? No but he wasn’t a reach as some suggest.

At least one player we totally agree upon.  He certainly wasn't a reach and it certainly was a bad draft.

Hindsight being 20/20, I think the best move would have been to include their 1st round pick in a trade.

[Fletcher]

Jul 23, 2021 18:26:51 GMT sandogbrewin said:

2019 wasn’t a great draft. Only one player picked after Beecher has made an impact. As far as pre Michigan play Beecher played well for the U17/U18 US national team when they played games against the USHL and international teams. Numbers show that. Is Beecher like Krejci or Bergeron ? No but he wasn’t a reach as some suggest.

While it does seem like Studnicka's stock stagnated (or, did not rise) this past year, I really wonder what some extra pounds and a year of conditioning could to to help. He still seems like a smart, skilled player who just hasn't gotten used to playing with grown men at the highest level yet. But, I have not been wowed watching him play recently either. We'll see.

I'm not buying the criticism or doubts about Beecher, yet. I had no problem with that draft pick. Nobody thought he was on the NHL fast track, and nobody else drafted in that spot (#29) was either. He's still played less than 50 college games, and everybody knew he needed time to develop in college. The past 18 months have been so strange in the hockey world (and everywhere else), that I don't worry too much about development numbers in half seasons (16 NCAA games for Beecher in the past 18 months). Before that, he was on an absolutely loaded USNDP team (1st line of Hughes, Caulfield, and Zegras), but he killed penalties and scored admirably for a guy who did not get PP time or 1st line minutes. Five forwards from that USNDP team were drafted in the top-15 that year. I wonder if any 1st round draft pick has ever been the 8th player selected from his current team. I doubt it.

He's a dynamic skater, he's big, and plays a two-way game. He won't be 21 until next spring. I hope he plays a full season for Michigan in 2021-2022, then Providence at the end of the season, and then comes to the 2022 rookie camp ready to work his way onto the 3rd or 4th line.

To be clear, if I wasn't, I don't see either guy doing anything special for the Bruins until October of 2022 (hopefully Studnicka can become an impact AHL player or useful NHL one next season). But I don't see another good road to take for young Centers right now either. I hope we can get another year out of Bergeron and Krejci, while getting some meaningful strides towards the NHL for those two. If not, I really think you have to look at the organization's failure to develop a good forward for almost a decade, and I think we'll have a reckoning for that futility.

[sandogbrewin]

Jul 23, 2021 16:39:52 GMT badhabitude said:

Jul 23, 2021 16:02:03 GMT Fletcher said:

Beecher and Studnicka -- the Nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

The Bruins haven't drafted/developed (and kept) an impact player at forward in about 7 years, depending on whether you consider Jake Debrusk to be impactful or not (his failure to become a consistent 2nd line scorer makes me think not). Particularly at Center, they haven't had organization success in so, so long, with failure to launch from so many targets (Spooner, Hamill, Koko, JFK, Heinen, Donato, Colborne, Senyshyn), and Seguin of course being traded.

Since Matt Hunwick hit Marc Savard, over a decade ago, the Bruins have been riding Bergeron and Krejci as the top two centers, with no respite. As the 2021-2022 season begins, it's still the same outlook, pending Krejci's status. That's a long drought, and with age and decline coming into play, it seems like an unfair and unreasonable burden on a guy like Bergeron. He needs help.

With limited free agent targets at Center, limited draft potential, and limited trading assets, it seems like the answer needs to come from within (and fast). I think the franchise's success in the next 5+ years hinges on the development of Studnicka and Beecher. If these two turn into JFK and Spooner - we're fucked. Conversely, if Spooner can become a productive NHL center this year, and Beecher can start that process next year, they might just bridge the gap. I think we're on the brink of a 'rebuild' if these two don't come to the rescue though.

I don't think it's quite so black and white.

The answer is going to fall in between.

At this moment in time, I think the most that can reasonably be expected from Studnicka is a 3rd line center.  Where I think he might actually end up is a 4th line energy center.

John Beecher.
Freshman and Sophomore years he's been consistently at 1/2 pt a game.  I would have liked to have seen improvement.
He had shoulder surgery in February and has not played since.
Right at this point in time it is an uphill battle, he's going to have to recover from the surgery first of all.  Then it hasn't been determined if he will return to college or play in Providence.
Bottom line is that I wouldn't count on him for this season, I think its fair that he would be fully up to snuff in another 6 months or so.
Maybe after the college season is over he might make the move to Providence?
I feel bad for the kid.
Watch this interview with him at the combine.
A huddle of reporters around him, asking about Mason Power.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmsdpCNJ_GA
When he's done talking about Power and then ask about him - most of the reporters leave, 3 are left.  The guy with the Buffalo Sabres logo seems like he's got to take a desperate piss and is holding it in, trying to focus on something else before his bladder bursts.
It's going to be a few months before we can talk about Beecher seriously, he's got to get healthy and start playing hockey first.
My guess... is that we're looking at a cross between Zach Hamill and Jordan Caron in a best case scenario.

Jacob Lauko?

If u think Beecher is a cross between Hamill and Jordan then you have never laid eyes on him.

[sandogbrewin]

As far as thinking about Fletchers question it sucks thinking about life without Bergeron and Krejci. Its probably gonna be a rough ride.

[moognoates]

To be honest if Studs and Beecher turned out to be real quality 3rd and 4th line centers I'd be okay with that because you have to fill out the roster and as we saw the past few years it really helps having four lines you can count on.

So that means DS probably needs to take some risks and grab someone that maybe doesnt have all the intangibles but has high end skill and you have to hope and develop into top 6 forwards. Problem is I think they are trying to find the next Bergeron who is the perfect combination of skill, two way play, smarts and leadership. Unfortunately they don't come around very often.

[moognoates]

Jul 23, 2021 20:03:59 GMT sandogbrewin said:

As far as thinking about Fletchers question it sucks thinking about life without Bergeron and Krejci. Its probably gonna be a rough ride.

Yes, I think the future is very concerning for the Bruins. They need some hits and big luck very soon.

[badhabitude]

Jul 23, 2021 20:01:53 GMT sandogbrewin said:

Jul 23, 2021 16:39:52 GMT badhabitude said:

I don't think it's quite so black and white.

The answer is going to fall in between.

At this moment in time, I think the most that can reasonably be expected from Studnicka is a 3rd line center.  Where I think he might actually end up is a 4th line energy center.

John Beecher.
Freshman and Sophomore years he's been consistently at 1/2 pt a game.  I would have liked to have seen improvement.
He had shoulder surgery in February and has not played since.
Right at this point in time it is an uphill battle, he's going to have to recover from the surgery first of all.  Then it hasn't been determined if he will return to college or play in Providence.
Bottom line is that I wouldn't count on him for this season, I think its fair that he would be fully up to snuff in another 6 months or so.
Maybe after the college season is over he might make the move to Providence?
I feel bad for the kid.
Watch this interview with him at the combine.
A huddle of reporters around him, asking about Mason Power.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmsdpCNJ_GA
When he's done talking about Power and then ask about him - most of the reporters leave, 3 are left.  The guy with the Buffalo Sabres logo seems like he's got to take a desperate piss and is holding it in, trying to focus on something else before his bladder bursts.
It's going to be a few months before we can talk about Beecher seriously, he's got to get healthy and start playing hockey first.
My guess... is that we're looking at a cross between Zach Hamill and Jordan Caron in a best case scenario.

Jacob Lauko?

If u think Beecher is a cross between Hamill and Jordan then you have never laid eyes on him.

So when will he be in the Bruins lineup?  How many NHL games do you think we will see him in?

[seobrien]

Never seen Beecher so won't make a call on him.

I'm def in the minority, but I think Studnicka is a keeper who can reach C2, and will. I'm predicting a big jump this year.

But Sweeney's drafting def sucks, I can't stand the fact he and his scouts always thing they're outsmarting the league with their cockamamie picks. 2015 is a prime example, if he simply went with the CSS consensus he's have drafted Barzal, Zboril, and either Connor, or Konecny. But nooooooo.

'16 was Charlie (or he could have picked Chychrun (both no brainers) next year was Vowels (no one before him has really stood out yet) then Stud. '18 they gave away for Scrambled Eggs Nash (in hindsight...ugh!) '19 Beecher, '20 no first rounder.

thems is some SLIM pickins

I've no faith in Sweeny's ability to draft a forward. Like, zero.

[sandogbrewin]

Jul 23, 2021 21:31:41 GMT badhabitude said:

Jul 23, 2021 20:01:53 GMT sandogbrewin said:

If u think Beecher is a cross between Hamill and Jordan then you have never laid eyes on him.

So when will he be in the Bruins lineup?  How many NHL games do you think we will see him in?

My take after seeing Beecher in some NHL games with NHL talent. Remember Marchand 1st 20 NHL games ?

[badhabitude]

Jul 23, 2021 22:50:17 GMT sandogbrewin said:

Jul 23, 2021 21:31:41 GMT badhabitude said:

So when will he be in the Bruins lineup?  How many NHL games do you think we will see him in?

My take after seeing Beecher in some NHL games with NHL talent. Remember Marchand 1st 20 NHL games ?

There is zero comparison between Beecher and Marchand, apples and bowling balls.

So do you believe this kid will be in the NHL or not?  And if so, when?

[dannycater]

Jul 23, 2021 22:53:16 GMT badhabitude said:

Jul 23, 2021 22:50:17 GMT sandogbrewin said:

My take after seeing Beecher in some NHL games with NHL talent. Remember Marchand 1st 20 NHL games ?

There is zero comparison between Beecher and Marchand, apples and bowling balls.

So do you believe this kid will be in the NHL or not?  And if so, when?

Here's a shot of this Beecher kid.

[sandogbrewin]

Jul 23, 2021 22:53:16 GMT badhabitude said:

Jul 23, 2021 22:50:17 GMT sandogbrewin said:

My take after seeing Beecher in some NHL games with NHL talent. Remember Marchand 1st 20 NHL games ?

There is zero comparison between Beecher and Marchand, apples and bowling balls.

So do you believe this kid will be in the NHL or not?  And if so, when?

I didn't think you would get it about eventual great players being horrible in there 1st callup. Still need to see Beecher with NHL talent. Plenty of great CHL and NCAA kids have crapped out.

I like the pick of Beecher then I still like the player now. No idea when he makes it.

[badhabitude]

Jul 23, 2021 22:58:25 GMT sandogbrewin said:

Jul 23, 2021 22:53:16 GMT badhabitude said:

There is zero comparison between Beecher and Marchand, apples and bowling balls.

So do you believe this kid will be in the NHL or not?  And if so, when?

I didn't think you would get it about eventual great players being horrible in there 1st callup. Still need to see Beecher with NHL talent. Plenty of great CHL and NCAA kids have crapped out.

I like the pick of Beecher then I still like the player now. No idea when he makes it.

Or how about just good NHL players?
You might recall I was high on Malcolm Subban.
And how did his first outting go?

Changing your mind is legal in this country.  Beecher was a reasonable pick at the time.  I've changed my mind since then.

You need to see Beecher against NHL talent?  He's not lighting it up against college talent, so he's going to be better against NHL players?  Not now, not today.  He's got to recover from surgery first.  And then the smart and conservative thing to do would be to send him back to college and get his game back.  Then we see, if he's not improved in college then he's not going to somehow improve against professionals.