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Post by bookboy007 on Nov 30, 2021 14:37:06 GMT
In a million years, while I love JT Miller, the Canucks would have to be completely Don Sweeney rose-colored glasses to even entertain the idea that Root Beer can produce anymore at the NHL level. He is a joke and Sweeney signed him, and I still to this day, don't understand what JD did to deserve a contract. FIRE SWEENEY. He signed Debrusk on November 23, 2020. At that point, DeBrusk's stat line read: 62-58-120 (0.59 points/game) and +14 in 203 games. That was better than guys like Ondrej Palat, Jordan Eberle, and Joe Thornton had had over the previous two seasons. It wasn't unreasonable to sign the guy. What hurt was that he then went into a terrible slump. His points production dropped by nearly half, and his shooting percentage by about 60%. The first half of those drops is the effect of taking him off the PP. The second half? Sulking. Burgers. |
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Post by islamorada on Nov 30, 2021 14:41:51 GMT
Debrusk isn't going to bring much back other than Cap space. If a large package deal could be made it will cost Bs fans one of their favorites. I tend to want a big trade as Fiddy and SanDog have mentioned. Hertl would cost alot, a 1st, Lysell, Debrusk, and beloved Grys.... maybe more. In that scenario, other GMs would ask for Swayman, most on here would scream NOT. Given Marchand's expensive vacation via DOPeS, I would play Debrusk and let his play determine value. He would have to show something otherwise no team would take on his Cap number. I think Thanx4 has the best case, trade him for a second round pick. No one knows if he is a poison in the locker room. Bring up Studs and Steen and go. The worse they could do is match the lack luster play of Haula and Debrusk.
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Post by bookboy007 on Nov 30, 2021 14:49:08 GMT
So- who is available that the B's could bring in that's close to the 3.6 of Jake Debust? I'm just spitballing, so don't get your panties in a twist. Looking at players who are close to age, can play C/LW & salary. Also, I'm not necessarily going for a one to one swap either. Maybe the other team will have to add a little more, or maybe the B's will have to add a little more. I'm also looking at forwards only. Connor Brown- 10 pts in 15 games, Kaspri K- 14pts in 21 games, Jesper Bratt- 17pts in 19 games Pavel Zacha- 12pts in 19 games Tomas Hertl- 13 pts in 21 games, the Sharks maybe willing since he's UFA, but he'd be a hellva 2C that could accommodate Hall nicely- HEY I'm allowed to dream Lawson Crouse- 10 pts in 22 games 6' 4" 215? Yep Andre Burakovsky- 14pts in 17 games- Just scores goals- need him Brandon Saad- 11 pts in 17 games 8 goals Rickard Rakell- 8pts in 12 games, been on the block since last season Victor Arvidsson- 8 pts in 13 games Adrian Kempe- 12 pts in 20 games Thoughts? Without prejudice (meaning just thoughts on each): Brown - no, no Senators. Brown had a great WHC last year, but the bloom is off. Kapanen - maybe, but not sure why the Pens would make the move. Bratt - ditto Zacha - ditto Hertl - I think he might get signed. They're in the mix for a playoff spot. If they still are come February, I don't think they throw in the towel given the pieces they have and the young players who have started to contribute. Crouse - I'd make this move. He'll never be what people hoped when he was a top 15 pick, but the size and mobility and decent hands would help continue the transition of this team to bigger and heavier again. Burakovsky - nah...he was pre-DeBrusk DeBrusk in Washington. He likes it in Colorado; the fit in Boston would have him eating popcorn like Jake. Saad - over-rated, but in a one-for-one for DeBrusk, sure. Rakell - wonder if the Quacks' start means he's not going anywhere now. Arvidsson - the Kings just got him; I think he's secure there for a bit. Kempe - not sure the Kings are looking for shake up trades, so don't see much of a fit. Depending on what happens over the next little while with Jake, I think you might want to look for a similar player with unrealized potential or a guy in a bad situation for him. The name that comes to mind for me is Keiffer Bellows. He's been unable to get traction with the Isles, but he showed in the A a couple of years ago that he can score with 22 in 52 games. The Isles have kept him up ever since but he hasn't played much. Maybe you make a legacy for legacy deal? It's also one that could be made larger if the Bruins wanted to move Grz because the Isles' PP is terrible. Bellows and Beauvillier for DeBrusk and Grz? |
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Post by bookboy007 on Nov 30, 2021 14:54:14 GMT
Debrusk isn't going to bring much back other than Cap space. If a large package deal could be made it will cost Bs fans one of their favorites. I tend to want a big trade as Fiddy and SanDog have mentioned. Hertl would cost alot, a 1st, Lysell, Debrusk, and beloved Grys.... maybe more. In that scenario, other GMs would ask for Swayman, most on here would scream NOT. Given Marchand's expensive vacation via DOPeS, I would play Debrusk and let his play determine value. He would have to show something otherwise no team would take on his Cap number. I think Thanx4 has the best case, trade him for a second round pick. No one knows if he is a poison in the locker room. Bring up Studs and Steen and go. The worse they could do is match the lack luster play of Haula and Debrusk. I wouldn't want Sweeney going out with that attitude. As you mention, there's a chance here to showcase him and make a virtue out of hardship. Put him on 1LW with Bergeron and Pastrnak, and if he does well, now you make the case to anyone who will listen that the issue is that he's behind two veteran MVP level LWs who are both signed for the next 4 years. He's never going to see the PP, he's never going to see 17 min of TOI, and that's in his head. If you have need of a LW who can score on the PP and attack the net in your top six, he's your guy. Sell that, not that he's a sulky failed pick who eats too many cheeseburgers. People must have really loved this kid because the breakup hate is palpable. It wasn't very long ago that we thought he had 30 plus in him for a long time. Hard to say what happened to change that on the ice, but easy to see how the change on the ice turned him into the latest big fat target. |
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Post by islamorada on Nov 30, 2021 15:10:22 GMT
Debrusk isn't going to bring much back other than Cap space. If a large package deal could be made it will cost Bs fans one of their favorites. I tend to want a big trade as Fiddy and SanDog have mentioned. Hertl would cost alot, a 1st, Lysell, Debrusk, and beloved Grys.... maybe more. In that scenario, other GMs would ask for Swayman, most on here would scream NOT. Given Marchand's expensive vacation via DOPeS, I would play Debrusk and let his play determine value. He would have to show something otherwise no team would take on his Cap number. I think Thanx4 has the best case, trade him for a second round pick. No one knows if he is a poison in the locker room. Bring up Studs and Steen and go. The worse they could do is match the lack luster play of Haula and Debrusk. I wouldn't want Sweeney going out with that attitude. As you mention, there's a chance here to showcase him and make a virtue out of hardship. Put him on 1LW with Bergeron and Pastrnak, and if he does well, now you make the case to anyone who will listen that the issue is that he's behind two veteran MVP level LWs who are both signed for the next 4 years. He's never going to see the PP, he's never going to see 17 min of TOI, and that's in his head. If you have need of a LW who can score on the PP and attack the net in your top six, he's your guy. Sell that, not that he's a sulky failed pick who eats too many cheeseburgers. People must have really loved this kid because the breakup hate is palpable. It wasn't very long ago that we thought he had 30 plus in him for a long time. Hard to say what happened to change that on the ice, but easy to see how the change on the ice turned him into the latest big fat target. I think Debrusk has made an excuse for DS to have an attitude. If in fact FAs and the like want to play in Boston, then Debrusk is the poster boy for the opposite. I agree though Debrusk is needed for the interim. Like I have stated during preseason, 20-25 games into the schedule will determine the play of the Bs. I don't like Ullmark's play but hey if Rask comes back I am ok. Coyle is not working with Hall, is it Hall? Debrusk isn't working Haula, is it Haula? It does not matter really. What matters is the team needs to get it's shit together soon. Either Studs/Steen or a big trade if it can be done is the next step at game 25. |
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Post by nitelite on Nov 30, 2021 15:12:53 GMT
Fuck him! I'd bring up Studs & Steen. Let Haula & Jake rot in peanut heaven! Or put him with Bergeron and Pastrnak and watch him score two goals, then tell your trading partners “see? He’s just stuck behind two MVP level LWs here.” HAHAHAHA! I guess you could try it, but I wouldn't do that until the T-Bay game. Let's see what he does against a high caliber team playing 1st line minutes. |
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 30, 2021 15:21:46 GMT
Jake is a little shit that smells like Kessel but with a lot less goals.
Frickin 8 goals last season and this with the cap hit he has? He should be fucking grateful.
If I'm playing gm I just got dealt a bad hand, I see a trade with strings attached or salary retention or something like that.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 30, 2021 15:26:13 GMT
I wouldn't want Sweeney going out with that attitude. As you mention, there's a chance here to showcase him and make a virtue out of hardship. Put him on 1LW with Bergeron and Pastrnak, and if he does well, now you make the case to anyone who will listen that the issue is that he's behind two veteran MVP level LWs who are both signed for the next 4 years. He's never going to see the PP, he's never going to see 17 min of TOI, and that's in his head. If you have need of a LW who can score on the PP and attack the net in your top six, he's your guy. Sell that, not that he's a sulky failed pick who eats too many cheeseburgers. People must have really loved this kid because the breakup hate is palpable. It wasn't very long ago that we thought he had 30 plus in him for a long time. Hard to say what happened to change that on the ice, but easy to see how the change on the ice turned him into the latest big fat target. I think Debrusk has made an excuse for DS to have an attitude. If in fact FAs and the like want to play in Boston, then Debrusk is the poster boy for the opposite. I agree though Debrusk is needed for the interim. Like I have stated during preseason, 20-25 games into the schedule will determine the play of the Bs. I don't like Ullmark's play but hey if Rask comes back I am ok. Coyle is not working with Hall, is it Hall? Debrusk isn't working Haula, is it Haula? It does not matter really. What matters is the team needs to get it's shit together soon. Either Studs/Steen or a big trade if it can be done is the next step at game 25. or just say fuck it and build with an eye to the future, not a rebuild, but I'm saying accept you're either going to be a non-playoff team or a first round playoff team and build for something 2-3 years down the line. And a point you are making - this team is NOT greater than the sum of its parts, I'm seeing way more individualism than I would like. I'm looking at coaching and wondering. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Nov 30, 2021 15:30:02 GMT
Or put him with Bergeron and Pastrnak and watch him score two goals, then tell your trading partners “see? He’s just stuck behind two MVP level LWs here.” HAHAHAHA! I guess you could try it, but I wouldn't do that until the T-Bay game. Let's see what he does against a high caliber team playing 1st line minutes. Why? That seems counter-productive to just throw him in against the two time champions and expect him to do or die. The objective is to raise the value of the asset for trade, not shove down his throat that you don't like him. Last time the Bruins played Detroit, the steamrolled them and it was the top line that led the way. Put DeBrusk there because Marchand is out. If he sulks his way through the first period and the Bruins aren't playing well, down he goes and Hall moves up. Easy to do in game. |
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Post by fifthline on Nov 30, 2021 15:30:56 GMT
He’s turned into Spooner without the scoring. Spooner would be good with Hall and Foligno but they’d bounce from +2 to -2 line ratings
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Nov 30, 2021 15:39:53 GMT
Debrusk isn't going to bring much back other than Cap space. If a large package deal could be made it will cost Bs fans one of their favorites. I tend to want a big trade as Fiddy and SanDog have mentioned. Hertl would cost alot, a 1st, Lysell, Debrusk, and beloved Grys.... maybe more. In that scenario, other GMs would ask for Swayman, most on here would scream NOT. Given Marchand's expensive vacation via DOPeS, I would play Debrusk and let his play determine value. He would have to show something otherwise no team would take on his Cap number. I think Thanx4 has the best case, trade him for a second round pick. No one knows if he is a poison in the locker room. Bring up Studs and Steen and go. The worse they could do is match the lack luster play of Haula and Debrusk. I wouldn't want Sweeney going out with that attitude. As you mention, there's a chance here to showcase him and make a virtue out of hardship. Put him on 1LW with Bergeron and Pastrnak, and if he does well, now you make the case to anyone who will listen that the issue is that he's behind two veteran MVP level LWs who are both signed for the next 4 years. He's never going to see the PP, he's never going to see 17 min of TOI, and that's in his head. If you have need of a LW who can score on the PP and attack the net in your top six, he's your guy. Sell that, not that he's a sulky failed pick who eats too many cheeseburgers. People must have really loved this kid because the breakup hate is palpable. It wasn't very long ago that we thought he had 30 plus in him for a long time. Hard to say what happened to change that on the ice, but easy to see how the change on the ice turned him into the latest big fat target. Gone are the days of Sam Pollock and snake salesmen…. Most gms know the reason DeBrusk is available is because he’s become an underperforming former first rounder who showed flashes of promise not that long ago and that he’s a project at the moment…. Also, in the past taking on salary wasn’t an issue like today and so it limits your options in terms of trading partners…. Now if the B’S are willing to take on someone else’s problem child it could open up more avenues…. Unless the B’S are able to make some blockbuster to acquire a legit left side d-man or alarm clock to wake up the former league mvp, I’d prefer they take the best pick available and put that cap room in their back pocket…. |
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Post by The OC on Nov 30, 2021 16:01:11 GMT
I think there is significant under valuing of DeBrusk on this forum for various reasons. A 25 year old 27 goal scorer will always draw interest, his 3rd line role and feud with coach a good explanation for reduced production. His name will also increase his value a bit, especially in Canada. This won’t be a salary dump, there will be teams willing to offer something respectable.
The pressing need is a top-3 C, but Bruce’s D shuffling (and rumours) would indicate Boston wants a top-4 D more. If they’re bringing in a D, one should go out, since they would have to wave one anyway. A 2-for-2 deal gets more interesting. I go back to a deal I’ve wanted since summer, Jake and Grizz for something.
I think western teams make the most sense, especially the Canadians (country, not habs). Edmonton is always rumoured. Calgary’s Monahan is known to be in play, but maybe for good reason. Vancouver wants to dump salary. Arizona could take it on, so could Seattle.
Bo Horvat seems to be available given Van’s surplus C’s and limited cap space. Seattle remains an interesting target to me. We’d like a C, but dealing Jake for a RW would allow Follingo to slot in nice on L. Maybe Jake and Grizz for Eberle and Fleury? Get a better lineup fit, free a bit of cap space and try to land a C elsewhere.
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Post by bookboy007 on Nov 30, 2021 16:01:58 GMT
Jake is a little shit that smells like Kessel but with a lot less goals. Frickin 8 goals last season and this with the cap hit he has? He should be fucking grateful. If I'm playing gm I just got dealt a bad hand, I see a trade with strings attached or salary retention or something like that. Recency bias. He's been a piece of shit for fewer than 60 games, and a solid young second line wing for over 200. Kessel's a great comparable in some ways. No one thought Toronto would be able to move him with the big contract Burke gave him, but the trade they made to move him to Pittsburgh wasn't terrible, and teams looking at that comparison will like the result for the Pens. As for being grateful, he got paid less than Wagner for scoring 27 goals a few years ago. Call it even for the last 60 games. |
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Post by socca10 on Nov 30, 2021 16:08:08 GMT
He’s turned into Spooner without the scoring. Spooner would be good with Hall and Foligno but they’d bounce from +2 to -2 line ratings  |
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 30, 2021 16:10:55 GMT
Jake is a little shit that smells like Kessel but with a lot less goals. Frickin 8 goals last season and this with the cap hit he has? He should be fucking grateful. If I'm playing gm I just got dealt a bad hand, I see a trade with strings attached or salary retention or something like that. Recency bias. He's been a piece of shit for fewer than 60 games, and a solid young second line wing for over 200. Kessel's a great comparable in some ways. No one thought Toronto would be able to move him with the big contract Burke gave him, but the trade they made to move him to Pittsburgh wasn't terrible, and teams looking at that comparison will like the result for the Pens. As for being grateful, he got paid less than Wagner for scoring 27 goals a few years ago. Call it even for the last 60 games. Recency bias? What? That's what the whole world of sports is, I'm sure the Bruins could sign Orr, Wayne or pull Cam out of the front office, but my recency bias tells me that they haven't actually gotten better as they become senior citizens. What have you done for me lately? And yah, Jake isn't collecting retirement checks quite yet, but we've seen plenty a plenty a plenty young guys whose careers plummeted into nothing |
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Post by mdsizzle on Nov 30, 2021 16:11:17 GMT
Maybe put Pasta with Hall and Bergeron and see if this actually will kick-start both 88 and 71....probably not, but it would be fun to watch. I'd rather see them put Hall with pasta and Bergy, but that's just me... |
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Post by mdsizzle on Nov 30, 2021 16:14:44 GMT
So- who is available that the B's could bring in that's close to the 3.6 of Jake Debust? I'm just spitballing, so don't get your panties in a twist. Looking at players who are close to age, can play C/LW & salary. Also, I'm not necessarily going for a one to one swap either. Maybe the other team will have to add a little more, or maybe the B's will have to add a little more. I'm also looking at forwards only. Connor Brown- 10 pts in 15 games, Kaspri K- 14pts in 21 games, Jesper Bratt- 17pts in 19 games Pavel Zacha- 12pts in 19 games Tomas Hertl- 13 pts in 21 games, the Sharks maybe willing since he's UFA, but he'd be a hellva 2C that could accommodate Hall nicely- HEY I'm allowed to dream Lawson Crouse- 10 pts in 22 games 6' 4" 215? Yep Andre Burakovsky- 14pts in 17 games- Just scores goals- need him Brandon Saad- 11 pts in 17 games 8 goals Rickard Rakell- 8pts in 12 games, been on the block since last season Victor Arvidsson- 8 pts in 13 games Adrian Kempe- 12 pts in 20 games Thoughts? I like a lot of those guys and would be fuggin shocked if that happened. Most likely it'll be for another fourth line guy who makes zero difference in the line up. Anybody wanna bet? |
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Post by dannycater on Nov 30, 2021 16:15:11 GMT
Cassidy in Covid Protocol...Marchand suspended..Rask skating with team..and of course we have Jake DeBust butthurt over a deserved healthy scratch...
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Post by mdsizzle on Nov 30, 2021 16:18:32 GMT
So in a plot twist the Bruins need DeBrusk to put down the Wendy's double stack and play tonight with Marchand and Blidh both out tonight. Fuck him! I'd bring up Studs & Steen. Let Haula & Jake rot in peanut heaven! Id rather play the actual hamburglar. If the bum gets hurt his value goes from little to none. |
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 30, 2021 16:21:09 GMT
Maybe put Pasta with Hall and Bergeron and see if this actually will kick-start both 88 and 71....probably not, but it would be fun to watch. I'd rather see them put Hall with pasta and Bergy, but that's just me... I think Hall plays better with better players, he doesn't tend to lift the game of lesser players. Both Bergeron and Marchand can get the guys around him to play better. |
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Post by dannycater on Nov 30, 2021 16:23:26 GMT
Steen had a line of 2 assists in 2 games?
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Post by dannycater on Nov 30, 2021 16:31:20 GMT
I'd rather see them put Hall with pasta and Bergy, but that's just me... I think Hall plays better with better players, he doesn't tend to lift the game of lesser players. Both Bergeron and Marchand can get the guys around him to play better. FUCKING HALL HAS 10 POINTS...LET'S PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE IN THE NHL TODAY...152 PLAYERS HAVE MORE POINTS RIGHT NOW...34 OF THOSE PLAYERS HAVE PLAYED LESS GAMES THAN HALL.He was a splashy former MVP who had lightning in a bottle for about 10 games with Krejci. In the playoffs, he started to drift back to the Buffalo version. And this season, he is a minus-2 and frankly I'm sick of that dumbfuck deer in headlights puppy dog, I am scared of life look he has on that fat fucking face. He is paid to FUCKING SCORE, FUCKING CREATE, FUCKING DO SOMETHING...We have enough non-scorers, he can't be 152nd and get away with this shit for too much longer....Healthy Scratch his ass if he doesn't put up a point tonight. |
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Post by dannycater on Nov 30, 2021 16:31:56 GMT
FUCK HALL.
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Post by bookboy007 on Nov 30, 2021 16:54:47 GMT
I think there is significant under valuing of DeBrusk on this forum for various reasons. A 25 year old 27 goal scorer will always draw interest, his 3rd line role and feud with coach a good explanation for reduced production. His name will also increase his value a bit, especially in Canada. This won’t be a salary dump, there will be teams willing to offer something respectable. The pressing need is a top-3 C, but Bruce’s D shuffling (and rumours) would indicate Boston wants a top-4 D more. If they’re bringing in a D, one should go out, since they would have to wave one anyway. A 2-for-2 deal gets more interesting. I go back to a deal I’ve wanted since summer, Jake and Grizz for something. I think western teams make the most sense, especially the Canadians (country, not habs). Edmonton is always rumoured. Calgary’s Monahan is known to be in play, but maybe for good reason. Vancouver wants to dump salary. Arizona could take it on, so could Seattle. Bo Horvat seems to be available given Van’s surplus C’s and limited cap space. Seattle remains an interesting target to me. We’d like a C, but dealing Jake for a RW would allow Follingo to slot in nice on L. Maybe Jake and Grizz for Eberle and Fleury? Get a better lineup fit, free a bit of cap space and try to land a C elsewhere. I think you solve problems individually unless something comes together naturally. I would treat the DeBrusk situation and the question of addressing gaps as separate problems or else you start limiting landing spots for him, but it would be smart to at least be working both angles at the same time. Maybe there's a three team deal. I don't think there's a world in which the Canuckleheads trade Bo Horvat. Or JT Miller. But Boeser at 4-5-9 in 20 games and at nearly $6M might be an option. He and DeBrusk are similar in a lot of ways. His high water mark for goals is 29 to Jake's 27. Injuries mean Boeser's top games played is 69. Boeser hasn't been in this slump as long as JDB, but he also has been consistently on the first PP in Vancouver and a larger percentage of his points have come from the PP - close to 1/3rd vs. 1/4 for JDB in the years when he was on the PP. And that partly explains why Boeser has only been a positive +/- player once in his career. I think a swap might be possible there, and I would even suggest a move for Johnny Moore could be worked into a package that includes the Flames 3rd they got for Vladar. JDB, Moore and a 3rd for Boeser. Makes it more or less cap neutral. Boeser will still be RFA at teh end of this year when his contract is up, so you'd have a choice about whether to try to sign him long term at a lower number if his performance doesn't bounce back. The Flyers continue to struggle despite selling a big changeover in the offseason. The rebuilt D with Ellis and Ristolainen has Carter Hart's s% up to .920 again, but now they can't score. I wonder if Konecny is available? Plays both wings, is a greasy little bastard, but his production has really dropped since he was almost a point/game guy a few years ago. He's got a $5.5M cap hit for a few more years. Philly's also another team that could use PP help with Ellis out. Would Gorton move Drouin? Ton of talent there, and he obviously needed to get some things sorted out where the pressure of playing in Montreal as a francophone can't be helping. He's been one of their better players this year, though. Kevin Fiala is more or less perpetually on the block, mostly because of his personality. Minnesota probably doesn't need to make that move though. Max Comtois had a bit of a breakout year in Anaheim last year, but he's only got one assist this year, and they have a lot of youth driving them now. I might prefer to never trade with the Quacks, though. Nothing good has come from acquiring former Quacks in Sweeney's tenure from Beleskey to Wagner to Milkshakes to Kase. I also wouldn't be shy if the best offer for DeBrusk was picks and prospects from a team that sees him as solidifying their offense for the playoffs. There's a day in the season when the balance shifts from players being your most valuable trade asset to picks and prospects, so if you stock up now, you might be able to address those other needs more effectively closer to the deadline. |
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Post by kelvana33 on Nov 30, 2021 17:05:23 GMT
Maybe put Pasta with Hall and Bergeron and see if this actually will kick-start both 88 and 71....probably not, but it would be fun to watch. I'd rather see them put Hall with pasta and Bergy, but that's just me... Same here. |
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