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Post by mdsizzle on Dec 1, 2021 20:08:41 GMT
Someone in the comments on Fluto's The Athletic article suggested Colin White from Ottawa - also a 1st rounder from 2015 who is underperforming. Thoughts? Lauzon ($850 K)has been scratched recently and Donskoi ($3.9M) a RW has been average so far. How about those 2 for DeBrusk, Moore, and B's throw in a 2nd round pick. Also clears almost 1.7 in cap space for re-signing Rask. A underperformer in the 1st round of 2015? Don't we have them all already?
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 1, 2021 20:17:01 GMT
Someone in the comments on Fluto's The Athletic article suggested Colin White from Ottawa - also a 1st rounder from 2015 who is underperforming. Thoughts? Lauzon ($850 K)has been scratched recently and Donskoi ($3.9M) a RW has been average so far. How about those 2 for DeBrusk, Moore, and B's throw in a 2nd round pick. Also clears almost 1.7 in cap space for re-signing Rask. A underperformer in the 1st round of 2015? Don't we have them all already? White for DeBrusk is DeBrusk for DeBrusk.
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 1, 2021 20:22:51 GMT
Someone in the comments on Fluto's The Athletic article suggested Colin White from Ottawa - also a 1st rounder from 2015 who is underperforming. Thoughts? Lauzon ($850 K)has been scratched recently and Donskoi ($3.9M) a RW has been average so far. How about those 2 for DeBrusk, Moore, and B's throw in a 2nd round pick. Also clears almost 1.7 in cap space for re-signing Rask. A underperformer in the 1st round of 2015? Don't we have them all already? White is on the books at nearly $5M for 3-4 more years. Mike Reilly outscored him last year. His best work was in the year Ottawa went from the Eastern finals to the basement. Pretty good numbers with 41 points 71 games, but -24. He has trouble staying healthy, and his offensive game seems not to have come back after that 2019 high. He's already pushed all the way down to third line C when he's healthy behind Norris and Pinto, and possibly behind Tierney. Talk in Ottawa is that it might be good to buy him out now because he's still young enough to buy out at 1/3 rather than 2/3. So that's what Fluto thinks you can get....
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 1, 2021 20:25:01 GMT
If we're going to go with that kind of player, I'd possibly look at Gurianov in Dallas. His scoring numbers are similar to DeBrusk's in terms of points/game, but he started later. He's a RW, so that might be part of the point.
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Post by pucman on Dec 1, 2021 20:25:34 GMT
“If tomorrow it read: Jake DeBust DeRoot Beer has been traded for Bruce Crowder”. This reminds me of Keith Crowder! How good was he? For a 3rd line RW more or less behind Middleton and O’Reilly scoring 30 goals 70-80 points a year and he would pluck your eyeball out at the drop of a glove. A 3rd line winger! And that’s when you’d get whacked,tackled and slew footed trying to score. Is the league that watered down that we’re happy if we get 20 from Craig Smith on the 2nd line?
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Post by mdsizzle on Dec 1, 2021 20:28:00 GMT
A underperformer in the 1st round of 2015? Don't we have them all already? White for DeBrusk is DeBrusk for DeBrusk. While we are in fantasy land... Boeser? Chabot? Strome? Crouse? Barz definitely underperforming this year stat-wise, but if it's him I'll eat all of your fucking shoes.
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Post by pucman on Dec 1, 2021 20:30:51 GMT
Getting back on the “fly by DeBrusk” topic once again one mans opinion DeBrusk for Zack Kassien
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 1, 2021 21:34:30 GMT
“If tomorrow it read: Jake DeBust DeRoot Beer has been traded for Bruce Crowder”. This reminds me of Keith Crowder! How good was he? For a 3rd line RW more or less behind Middleton and O’Reilly scoring 30 goals 70-80 points a year and he would pluck your eyeball out at the drop of a glove. A 3rd line winger! And that’s when you’d get whacked,tackled and slew footed trying to score. Is the league that watered down that we’re happy if we get 20 from Craig Smith on the 2nd line? Yes.
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 1, 2021 21:38:42 GMT
White for DeBrusk is DeBrusk for DeBrusk. While we are in fantasy land... Boeser? Chabot? Strome? Crouse? Barz definitely underperforming this year stat-wise, but if it's him I'll eat all of your fucking shoes. Are you saying that DeBrusk for Debrusk is unreasonable? I think if you compare them statistically, the goals/60 and corsiFor are almost identical, and while DeBrusk might be slightly more physical than DeBrusk, DeBrusk's takeaway/giveaway ratio balances the defensive work you get from DeBrusk. So I would say DeBrusk for Debrusk isn't that unlikely.
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 1, 2021 21:45:00 GMT
The names I'm seeing on here remind me that they are under no obligation to trade Jake DeBrusk. He's asked for a trade; if the return isn't worth it for the Bruins, he can eat fucking popcorn. Work on his bad body. Rick Vallette can go out to teams and make the case if the GMs are trying to screw Sweeney.
I'm not saying I'm super keen to see him play more games like last night. When Bruce can actually have a face to face with him, I would sit him down and say look, it's in both of our best interest for you to play your ass off. But if you play like you did last night, I'm going to sit you, and if I sit you, fewer teams are likely to be interested in paying a price that Sweeney will accept. You want to prove something, prove it on the ice here enough that it's proof of concept for others.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 21:58:14 GMT
If I'm Donny I'm listening to offers for literally anyone outside of Bergy. And yes, that includes Pasta and Marchand. Obviously the return has to be legit and forward looking. The bloom is off the rose. It was a good run.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Dec 1, 2021 22:10:12 GMT
Comtois sounds interesting if the B’S have to take some salary back…. For Hertl the B’S would need to make it more enticing than just DeBrusk, plus move more salary…. Ditto for Boeser…. Domi, I wouldn’t want that sh!t disturber on my team….
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Post by mdsizzle on Dec 1, 2021 22:25:19 GMT
While we are in fantasy land... Boeser? Chabot? Strome? Crouse? Barz definitely underperforming this year stat-wise, but if it's him I'll eat all of your fucking shoes. Are you saying that DeBrusk for Debrusk is unreasonable? I think if you compare them statistically, the goals/60 and corsiFor are almost identical, and while DeBrusk might be slightly more physical than DeBrusk, DeBrusk's takeaway/giveaway ratio balances the defensive work you get from DeBrusk. So I would say DeBrusk for Debrusk isn't that unlikely. Is painful enough to watch debrusk.. My mind shuts down when thinking about two of them. If we end up with another underacheiver, at least we will have a different name we can bitch about. Can't see how we end up with anyone else as frustrating has joke though. That was not a challenge though Don!
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Post by sandogbrewin on Dec 1, 2021 22:48:03 GMT
The names I'm seeing on here remind me that they are under no obligation to trade Jake DeBrusk. He's asked for a trade; if the return isn't worth it for the Bruins, he can eat fucking popcorn. Work on his bad body. Rick Vallette can go out to teams and make the case if the GMs are trying to screw Sweeney. I'm not saying I'm super keen to see him play more games like last night. When Bruce can actually have a face to face with him, I would sit him down and say look, it's in both of our best interest for you to play your ass off. But if you play like you did last night, I'm going to sit you, and if I sit you, fewer teams are likely to be interested in paying a price that Sweeney will accept. You want to prove something, prove it on the ice here enough that it's proof of concept for others. Bruce and Management have already tried the sit down and coaching. One of the reasons Jake was on the PK is because it was thought it would help his defense n stop being lackadaisical at times. It was said today on NHL radio that recently DeBrusk didn't get back on a backcheck quick enough last week. It enraged Cassidy the other team scored which led to the healthy scratch. Its beyond working with Jake now. Hes gone.
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Post by moognoates on Dec 1, 2021 22:59:38 GMT
If I'm Donny I'm listening to offers for literally anyone outside of Bergy. And yes, that includes Pasta and Marchand. Obviously the return has to be legit and forward looking. The bloom is off the rose. It was a good run. Marchand is by far the most important player on this team and still at an age that he should have a good number of productive yrs left. Let's all just agree Bergy isnt getting traded. So only three untouchables, Marchand, McAvoy and Bergeron. I'd trade anyone else if you felt we would win the trade in the long run. As you mentioned, it was a good run, I really enjoyed it but this year is a reality slap that we can't live in the past.
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Post by nitelite on Dec 1, 2021 23:26:48 GMT
Comtois sounds interesting if the B’S have to take some salary back…. For Hertl the B’S would need to make it more enticing than just DeBrusk, plus move more salary…. Ditto for Boeser…. Domi, I wouldn’t want that sh!t disturber on my team…. Comtois this season- before he got hurt was playing worse than Depuke & that's pretty hard to do! I've watched every Duck game this year, because I have 4 Ducks in my pool. Comtois was one of them, then I dumped his useless ass after 8 games & got Isac Lundestrom! Boeser would be nice, but Hertl would be the ultimate.
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 1, 2021 23:27:59 GMT
I think he's a bit crazy on the price for Hertl. That's what the Sharts will want but DeBrusk being butthurt doesn't mean Sweeney has to get violated. DeBrusk AND Studnicka AND a first and... nah. He a pending UFA. If they let you talk to him and get the bones of a long term deal with him in the can before the deal...sure. I suggested Comtois before, but I don't like Sweeney talking to the Ducks...his record there sucks. I looked at Neiderreter and, like this guy, I don't think there's enough motivation for the Canes to upset the apple cart. Tierney is more or less done. He's too slow and not really good at anything. He's had some decent numbers mostly buoyed by second assists and the fact that someone has to get TOI in Ottawa. The Lauzon reset is kind of fun, but he's a healthy scratch on an expansion team. Maybe we were too bullish on him because of how he fit in in Boston? So realistically, you're probably right about the picks being most valuable.
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 1, 2021 23:32:43 GMT
Comtois sounds interesting if the B’S have to take some salary back…. For Hertl the B’S would need to make it more enticing than just DeBrusk, plus move more salary…. Ditto for Boeser…. Domi, I wouldn’t want that sh!t disturber on my team…. Comtois this season- before he got hurt was playing worse than Depuke & that's pretty hard to do! I've watched every Duck game this year, because I have 4 Ducks in my pool. Comtois was one of them, then I dumped his useless ass after 8 games & got Isac Lundestrom! Boeser would be nice, but Hertl would be the ultimate. Huh, I didn't realize Comtois was playing THAT badly. His rep was always high motor, leader type from his days on the WJHC, but then so was Curtis Lazar's. I think Boeser is an achievable goal in this. Sweeney has some pressure because the team is mediocre and the trade demand went public, but Benning has Vancouver trying to rip his balls off with a rusty rake. On the one hand, that means he might be reluctant to lose a trade in the public eye even if it plays well enough on the ice, and surely that would be the case if it was one for one. But on the other hand, Benning might find it hard to make moves now and decide he NEEDS to make one even if it's a perceived loss just to do something. But their season is lost and there's a chance ownership would fire him if he tries to make a sketchy move. There's a chance this could all break the Bruins way, though, so Boeser is kind of the gold standard here for me. I'd then look at Hertl later in the year, when the Sharts will have to shit or get off the pot.
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Post by achillesgreek on Dec 2, 2021 0:30:46 GMT
I don't have any more to add that others haven't said but I do think this is an opportunity for Sweeney to do something bigger with this situation. Turn it into a multi-player deal. Add Gryz, add Studs if its for a bigger move. Id be looking at Seattle, Vancouver, San Jose and maybe Philly. I agree this needs to be a multi-player deal. I would love to see Horvat $5.5m UFA 2023/24 along with Miller $5.25m UFA 2023/24 or Boeser $5.85m is RFA next year was the 23rd pick in 2015 draft. Not sure who would be part of the deal to make it happen.
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Post by nitelite on Dec 2, 2021 0:39:47 GMT
Comtois this season- before he got hurt was playing worse than Depuke & that's pretty hard to do! I've watched every Duck game this year, because I have 4 Ducks in my pool. Comtois was one of them, then I dumped his useless ass after 8 games & got Isac Lundestrom! Boeser would be nice, but Hertl would be the ultimate. Huh, I didn't realize Comtois was playing THAT badly. His rep was always high motor, leader type from his days on the WJHC, but then so was Curtis Lazar's. I think Boeser is an achievable goal in this. Sweeney has some pressure because the team is mediocre and the trade demand went public, but Benning has Vancouver trying to rip his balls off with a rusty rake. On the one hand, that means he might be reluctant to lose a trade in the public eye even if it plays well enough on the ice, and surely that would be the case if it was one for one. But on the other hand, Benning might find it hard to make moves now and decide he NEEDS to make one even if it's a perceived loss just to do something. But their season is lost and there's a chance ownership would fire him if he tries to make a sketchy move. There's a chance this could all break the Bruins way, though, so Boeser is kind of the gold standard here for me. I'd then look at Hertl later in the year, when the Sharts will have to shit or get off the pot. Honest book- I was bullish on Comtois too. I drafted him right after Zegras in the 4th rd. Nothin! He looked great in the ex games. But once the season started... I bet he owes John Gibson about 4 dinners for bailing his ass out of some jams. Yea- I should've elaborated more on Hertl. I only want him if there's an absolute re-signing. I like Boeser, he's not far off Jake's speed & may even have a better shot that's taken outside of a shoot-out. Benning is REALLY taking a shit kicking. Canuck fans seem to be bullish on JD, so DS maybe able to pull it off.
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Post by NAS on Dec 2, 2021 1:37:02 GMT
If I'm Donny I'm listening to offers for literally anyone outside of Bergy. And yes, that includes Pasta and Marchand. Obviously the return has to be legit and forward looking. The bloom is off the rose. It was a good run. If you're dead serious, you keep Pasta and trade Bergeron.
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Post by dannycater on Dec 2, 2021 1:42:44 GMT
“If tomorrow it read: Jake DeBust DeRoot Beer has been traded for Bruce Crowder”. This reminds me of Keith Crowder! How good was he? For a 3rd line RW more or less behind Middleton and O’Reilly scoring 30 goals 70-80 points a year and he would pluck your eyeball out at the drop of a glove. A 3rd line winger! And that’s when you’d get whacked,tackled and slew footed trying to score. Is the league that watered down that we’re happy if we get 20 from Craig Smith on the 2nd line? yes
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Post by RichHillOntario on Dec 2, 2021 1:44:16 GMT
Huh, I didn't realize Comtois was playing THAT badly. His rep was always high motor, leader type from his days on the WJHC, but then so was Curtis Lazar's. I think Boeser is an achievable goal in this. Sweeney has some pressure because the team is mediocre and the trade demand went public, but Benning has Vancouver trying to rip his balls off with a rusty rake. On the one hand, that means he might be reluctant to lose a trade in the public eye even if it plays well enough on the ice, and surely that would be the case if it was one for one. But on the other hand, Benning might find it hard to make moves now and decide he NEEDS to make one even if it's a perceived loss just to do something. But their season is lost and there's a chance ownership would fire him if he tries to make a sketchy move. There's a chance this could all break the Bruins way, though, so Boeser is kind of the gold standard here for me. I'd then look at Hertl later in the year, when the Sharts will have to shit or get off the pot. Honest book- I was bullish on Comtois too. I drafted him right after Zegras in the 4th rd. Nothin! He looked great in the ex games. But once the season started... I bet he owes John Gibson about 4 dinners for bailing his ass out of some jams. Yea- I should've elaborated more on Hertl. I only want him if there's an absolute re-signing. I like Boeser, he's not far off Jake's speed & may even have a better shot that's taken outside of a shoot-out. Benning is REALLY taking a shit kicking. Canuck fans seem to be bullish on JD, so DS maybe able to pull it off. As soon as I read the word "nasty" in his synopsis, so was I, nite. I'd be pleased if Gyz's name is included in any talks as he's knee high to a June bug and just as effective.
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Post by wayne on Dec 2, 2021 2:18:57 GMT
The first 170 games of DeBrusk's were very good the last 100 not so much. He did nothing in the last half of 19-20, before Covid hit. He's making $4.85M this year, so I think it was inevitable that he was gone. I'm sure the other teams in the NHL think they can recover the earlier version of Jake. The Bruins don't exactly have a great rep with respect to young players. Jake will just join the long recent list of Hamilton, Seguin, Wheeler, Kessel, Thornton
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Post by The OC on Dec 2, 2021 2:19:11 GMT
Boozer's a bit interesting since he's a RW. Boston would be crazy deep on the wings with March-Hall-Folingo, Pasta-Boozer-Smith. And the top-6 should be good for some time.
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