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Post by chappy28 on Dec 2, 2022 19:50:28 GMT
You also get into the question of how much a GM should be planning for/spending resources to hedge against the unlikely-but-possible disaster situation (down 3+ D at one time in the playoffs) vs. accepting the fact that it might happened and crossing the bridge if/when necessary? To me, I don't think you can/should try to plan for those things because in the end, of you are dipping into the 9th best defenseman in your organization to replace one of your top 4 then no matter what it's going to be a pretty big drop. So you might as well just play a high upside rookie at that point and hope they swim rather than sink --- a la Torey Krug's debut against the Rags. I don't think our depth chart looks that bad, even if we do assume Reilly is gone by then... Mac Gryz Clifton-Lindholm Forbert-Carlo (or whatever the pairs are) Zboril - 2 way former first rounder Stralman - crafty vet Achan (PMD - some experience) Carrick (PMD - no NHL experience) Weisman - Stay at home Deider - Stay at home Wolf Callahan So sure we can get another Josh Brown or whoever, but given that Providence is having a really good season and there a few guys down there that are having some success, I'd rather keep our draft picks rather than send them away for someone else's bottom pairing defenseman. Zboril and Stralman are two pretty solid options for our #7-8 guys, and after that you roll the dice. Carrick seems to be having a really good year offensively and Dider is leading the team in plus minus by a longshot. "You also get into the question of how much a GM should be planning for/spending resources to hedge against the unlikely-but-possible disaster situation (down 3+ D at one time in the playoffs) vs. accepting the fact that it might happened and crossing the bridge if/when necessary ?" LowRider Lohrei is the high upside rookie dman ? After he signs his ELC ? No just kidding. When you look at Stralman then Ahcan as as your next up. I'm thinking there is a reason Sweeney is burning up the phones. He wants some more deadline space than the Bruins currently have for the trade deadline. Remember the Bs have Grzelcyk. Then add a couple of blocked shots and suddenly Ahcan is in warm ups. I'd have a cushion just in case. You forgot Zboril though. I think Zboril has shown he can play some pretty good hockey once he gets going. Not a bad option for 7th man at all. I'd say Achan or any of the other full time Providence guys are 3 injuries away which I'm willing to live with. Again, I just don't see who you are going to get that improves this group with the assets and cap situation we have. We'll have to get worse somewhere to get better elsewhere and it's not worth it for a #8 defenseman.
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Post by badhabitude on Dec 2, 2022 20:28:59 GMT
Back in 2011 Hunwick and Wheeler were traded.
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Post by badhabitude on Dec 2, 2022 22:14:59 GMT
Back in 2011 Hunwick and Wheeler were traded. The point I would like to make is that in a cup run, every player should have a career playoff stretch. Or that extra something. Or that next level their game goes to. I see a few players that don't have that extra step, that don't seem to have the ability to get to the next level - for their role. For a cup you have to trade those guys away and bring in some next level or extra talent players.
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Post by stevegm on Dec 3, 2022 12:59:29 GMT
Back in 2011 Hunwick and Wheeler were traded. The point I would like to make is that in a cup run, every player should have a career playoff stretch. Or that extra something. Or that next level their game goes to. I see a few players that don't have that extra step, that don't seem to have the ability to get to the next level - for their role. For a cup you have to trade those guys away and bring in some next level or extra talent players. Yeah, you don't win a cup if your stars aren't performing like stars. your tender has to be hot. no huge injuries. gotta be luckier than your opponent. a couple small pieces have to come through like big pieces...and all this has to happen within multiple 4-7 game seasons. virtually every playoff series in the history of the NHL, would play out significantly different, if the same series was replayed, starting 2 days after the last one completed. I really don't see how you can get ahead of that too much, other than tweak and bet on what you think you've seen over the past 82 games. Not just your 82 games, but the games of virtually every other player in the league. I don't think it's at all possible, to get those, or even see those..."next level" guys. Seems like every year, there's a small piece or 2, that contributes big time...and it's the high point of their whole career. It doesn't get replicated again, ever. Having said all that, I generally agree with everything, just that it's more about those high, mid tier guys. I would put Coyle in that category, might even include Hall, and certainly would include Grizz. They are, imo, more apt to under deliver. Ryder would drive you nuts all year, but he could hugely impact games, and he did when it really mattered.
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Post by stevegm on Dec 3, 2022 13:07:34 GMT
"You also get into the question of how much a GM should be planning for/spending resources to hedge against the unlikely-but-possible disaster situation (down 3+ D at one time in the playoffs) vs. accepting the fact that it might happened and crossing the bridge if/when necessary ?" LowRider Lohrei is the high upside rookie dman ? After he signs his ELC ? No just kidding. When you look at Stralman then Ahcan as as your next up. I'm thinking there is a reason Sweeney is burning up the phones. He wants some more deadline space than the Bruins currently have for the trade deadline. Remember the Bs have Grzelcyk. Then add a couple of blocked shots and suddenly Ahcan is in warm ups. I'd have a cushion just in case. You forgot Zboril though. I think Zboril has shown he can play some pretty good hockey once he gets going. Not a bad option for 7th man at all. I'd say Achan or any of the other full time Providence guys are 3 injuries away which I'm willing to live with. Again, I just don't see who you are going to get that improves this group with the assets and cap situation we have. We'll have to get worse somewhere to get better elsewhere and it's not worth it for a #8 defenseman. nothing against Zboril, the player, but I'd like to see him go. It irks me, this team has dicked around so long, on a marginal D. guys like him are available all day long at the dollar store. keeping him this long, has hurt the overall development of our overall D. i think it's obvious why he's still here, and that bugs me too. there have been a ton of underwhelming 1st rounders dealt in the last 7 years, and a ton of better players moved in the last 7. he has shown nothing that suggests he may be a high ender under construction.
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Post by badhabitude on Dec 3, 2022 16:26:14 GMT
The point I would like to make is that in a cup run, every player should have a career playoff stretch. Or that extra something. Or that next level their game goes to. I see a few players that don't have that extra step, that don't seem to have the ability to get to the next level - for their role. For a cup you have to trade those guys away and bring in some next level or extra talent players. Yeah, you don't win a cup if your stars aren't performing like stars. your tender has to be hot. no huge injuries. gotta be luckier than your opponent. a couple small pieces have to come through like big pieces...and all this has to happen within multiple 4-7 game seasons. virtually every playoff series in the history of the NHL, would play out significantly different, if the same series was replayed, starting 2 days after the last one completed. I really don't see how you can get ahead of that too much, other than tweak and bet on what you think you've seen over the past 82 games. Not just your 82 games, but the games of virtually every other player in the league. I don't think it's at all possible, to get those, or even see those..."next level" guys. Seems like every year, there's a small piece or 2, that contributes big time...and it's the high point of their whole career. It doesn't get replicated again, ever. Having said all that, I generally agree with everything, just that it's more about those high, mid tier guys. I would put Coyle in that category, might even include Hall, and certainly would include Grizz. They are, imo, more apt to under deliver. Ryder would drive you nuts all year, but he could hugely impact games, and he did when it really mattered. What pretty much everyone overlooks - the 3rd and 4th line guys. The grinders. They have to be hitting on all 4 cylinders. Even in pickup hockey trying to make teams even everybody looks at the best players and if they're split up, people think the teams will be even. But I always point out you have to divvy up the bottom of the roster as well to tune things. When you got Tommy Cross coming into a playoff game, you have a problem pretty much no matter who else is out there.
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Post by MrHulot on Dec 3, 2022 18:53:01 GMT
Patrick Kane is an amazing player. Even if you just look at what he's done SINCE the Hawks last won the Cup. Only McDavid and Draisaitl have more points since 2015-16, and no one else is close. Panarin is 4th 46 points back of Kane, and he's just a hair better than Marchand, tied with Crosby, in points/game in that time. If there was a way for the Bruins to get him, you'd think it's a no brainer. But I don't think there's a way, and I actually think the return on investment might be pretty small. Kane's a left-shot RW. You could put him in for DeBrusk without changing much of anything else. DeBrusk drops to the third line, bumps Frederic. That would be a hell of an offense. But you'd have to move something to have him fit under the Cap even if you weren't having to move a roster player (DeBrusk?) just to make the deal. Comparing apples to apples, DeBrusk has more goals and one fewer point than Kane at the quarter pole in one fewer game. Now Kane is a way better player - specifically as a playmaker - so I think there's merit in the idea he would have more points playing with Marchand and Bergeron than with Maximum Dummy and whoever. But...that would mean that maybe that line scores more goals on a team that is already #1 in the league in goals for with an 18-3 record. So what's the argument for giving up resources to get incrementally better offensively? I mean more goals = better in the abstract, but if you have to move someone to make the change, and it means that you can't do other things you might need to do to make the team better, then it's necessary to go a little deeper. No question Kane is an elite forward, but I just don't see it making them enough better to be worth the effort for this year. For next year? The Bruins are crazy strong on the wings. Marchand, Pastrnak, Hall, DeBrusk, possibly Zacha, possibly Lysell.... So much will depend on the ability of the Bruins to keep strength up the middle, so that has to be a higher priority than another scoring winger. This feels a lot like one of those situations where there's an absolute mint pearl gray 1960 MGA with under 20K on it selling for $25K, but your roof is shot and your furnace is shot and it's December 1st. (Totally fictional; just pulling that out of left field...). You have to go with the need no matter how attractive the other opportunity is. A $10.5 million cap hit (over a full season, though) for a guy who didn't want to tip a cab driver?
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Post by 50belowzero on Dec 4, 2022 8:16:41 GMT
I'm thinking if Donnie wants to add at the deadline, at least for a depth Dman he can do one stop shopping with Anaheim. He has a trade history with Verbeek now so a deal shouldn't be too difficult. For Dmen they have Shattenkirk, Kulikov, Klingberg & Beaulieu all on expiring deals.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Dec 4, 2022 12:43:02 GMT
I'm thinking if Donnie wants to add at the deadline, at least for a depth Dman he can do one stop shopping with Anaheim. He has a trade history with Verbeek now so a deal shouldn't be too difficult. For Dmen they have Shattenkirk, Kulikov, Klingberg & Beaulieu all on expiring deals. Current deadline cap space is $148K. That is without Stralman added to the roster. Dandy Don will need to make a move or two. Make a move so the Bs can have Stralman and Zboril then next midget up seems to be the plan. Still need a move though...Johnny Cap Space. Anaheim would be a good team to deal with. Verbeek likes Bostons draft picks. Both are happy.
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Post by Lord Markwart on Dec 4, 2022 17:10:43 GMT
It’s really tough to look at this team and say there is a hole. This team just needs some insurance in the event of injuries perhaps on the back end. I do not want to see Stralman take up playoff minutes. Perhaps another center/wing type with some grit to play against heavy teams in the playoffs that may be able to neutralize our skill players. I do not want to sacrifice speed however, as it will ruin the tempo we are currently playing at. I was thinking about playing against Carolina again.
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Post by RichHillOntario on Dec 4, 2022 17:45:02 GMT
You forgot Zboril though. I think Zboril has shown he can play some pretty good hockey once he gets going. Not a bad option for 7th man at all. I'd say Achan or any of the other full time Providence guys are 3 injuries away which I'm willing to live with. Again, I just don't see who you are going to get that improves this group with the assets and cap situation we have. We'll have to get worse somewhere to get better elsewhere and it's not worth it for a #8 defenseman. nothing against Zboril, the player, but I'd like to see him go. It irks me, this team has dicked around so long, on a marginal D. guys like him are available all day long at the dollar store. keeping him this long, has hurt the overall development of our overall D. i think it's obvious why he's still here, and that bugs me too. there have been a ton of underwhelming 1st rounders dealt in the last 7 years, and a ton of better players moved in the last 7. he has shown nothing that suggests he may be a high ender under construction.Zboril can't stay behind the cloak of his draft pedigree forever, steve.
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Post by chappy28 on Jan 17, 2023 18:03:39 GMT
All I want for the 2023 Deadline is...
Lucic!
This team really doesn't need anything so I think it is stupid to talk yourself into the "all in" narrative, and trade away a ton of assets for a big name piece that may or may not work as expected. The locker room chemistry is very real with this team in a way that makes it very risky to make big changes to the roster this season. EVERYBODY is towing their weight on this team, and honestly the only thing you can really pick on would be some of our 4th line options --- "Nosek is where scoring goes to die", "Smith lost his mojo", "Greer is showing why he's never stuck". In reality, even those guys are doing their part for this team --- Nosek playing a responsible 200 ft game, Greer providing some size and passion and the occasional goal, and Smith waiting patiently and working his ass off when he gets a chance.
Despite the fact that those guys are "pretty good", Lucic is the one move that I think makes sense to upgrade this team in a way that will not detract from, and if anything will enhance, the culture of this team. We are instantly tougher to play against, and more intimidating with Lucic on the roster. He brings at least as much offense as Nosek or Greer to a 4th line role. He's suited to play up the line-up if we need him to. And he's still tight friends with the core of this team. He's got modest totals right now with 4-8-12 averaging just over 11 minutes a game. For comparison, right now Nosek is 3-5-8 and Greer is 4-4-8 and I'd take Lucic over either of them --- especially for the heavy hitting of playoff hockey.
I really don't see a better move to be made as the 2nd leading scoring team in the league, the stingiest defensive team in the league, and a close knit locker room with the level of chemistry that these guys have shown. Unless we lose someone to major injury, I really just can't make a case to go for Kane, or Chickenrun, or Horvat, or any of the other big names being tossed around. Not only do we not have the cap/roster flexibility, but we simply don't need to make that kind of move to upgrade a roster without holes and a team on a historically good regular season run.
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Post by fifthline on Jan 17, 2023 19:23:57 GMT
Bs Reported to be interested in Luke Schenn for physicality and playoff depth.
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Post by moognoates on Jan 17, 2023 19:50:21 GMT
Bs Reported to be interested in Luke Schenn for physicality and playoff depth. I'd be fine with that, that is the kind of depth move I'd expect they make. He isn't going to replace anyone in the top 6, but WHEN someone goes down with an I jury you have an NHL capable defensemen and aren't calling up Achan or Wolfe or someone that doesn't belong. I'll spend some time on Cap Friendly soon liking at soon to be UFAs but I am expecting the Bruins to also grab depth on the 4th line. Someone to replace Greer or possibly Nosek but i think they like him. Greer is a nice guy to have as a 13th forward in the playoffs that can come in during game 3 or 4 of a series and shake things up, give a shot of energy. But I don't think he should be penciled in for a full series. Ty Anderson suggested Max Comtois. I think they need that under the radar trade that doesn't make headlines on TDL day but come playoffs he contributes. Most eventual cup winners find a guy like that.
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Post by dannycater on Jan 17, 2023 19:52:45 GMT
I'm going with this trade: stevegm and soxfan for dewey, MBF, and howzie...(disclaimer, they were all members of the first chatboard I was ever on at the Boston Globe site).
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 17, 2023 21:07:25 GMT
Bs Reported to be interested in Luke Schenn for physicality and playoff depth. Remaining cap hit is $350K for Schenn. I like Schenn instead of Stralman being the first RHD call up. Where is Johnny Cap Space ? When DeBrusk comes back the Bruins deadline cap space will be back to $148K. Smith, Reilly and Stralman have been waived already. I would say Smith is the most tradeable with a sweetener. Maybe Zboril is the fall guy.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Jan 17, 2023 22:10:33 GMT
All I want for the 2023 Deadline is... Lucic! This team really doesn't need anything so I think it is stupid to talk yourself into the "all in" narrative, and trade away a ton of assets for a big name piece that may or may not work as expected. The locker room chemistry is very real with this team in a way that makes it very risky to make big changes to the roster this season. EVERYBODY is towing their weight on this team, and honestly the only thing you can really pick on would be some of our 4th line options --- "Nosek is where scoring goes to die", "Smith lost his mojo", "Greer is showing why he's never stuck". In reality, even those guys are doing their part for this team --- Nosek playing a responsible 200 ft game, Greer providing some size and passion and the occasional goal, and Smith waiting patiently and working his ass off when he gets a chance. Despite the fact that those guys are "pretty good", Lucic is the one move that I think makes sense to upgrade this team in a way that will not detract from, and if anything will enhance, the culture of this team. We are instantly tougher to play against, and more intimidating with Lucic on the roster. He brings at least as much offense as Nosek or Greer to a 4th line role. He's suited to play up the line-up if we need him to. And he's still tight friends with the core of this team. He's got modest totals right now with 4-8-12 averaging just over 11 minutes a game. For comparison, right now Nosek is 3-5-8 and Greer is 4-4-8 and I'd take Lucic over either of them --- especially for the heavy hitting of playoff hockey. I really don't see a better move to be made as the 2nd leading scoring team in the league, the stingiest defensive team in the league, and a close knit locker room with the level of chemistry that these guys have shown. Unless we lose someone to major injury, I really just can't make a case to go for Kane, or Chickenrun, or Horvat, or any of the other big names being tossed around. Not only do we not have the cap/roster flexibility, but we simply don't need to make that kind of move to upgrade a roster without holes and a team on a historically good regular season run. Lots can happen in six weeks…. Avs were rolling too last year and adding guys like Manson and Lehkonen helped seal the deal…. Read an article just the other day where Donnie said that gms are always looking to better their team…. Adding a top-four left side d-man would make this team even more formidable imo…. and don’t think the farm would need to be sold to acquire….
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Post by 50belowzero on Jan 17, 2023 23:06:16 GMT
Bs Reported to be interested in Luke Schenn for physicality and playoff depth. I imagine TO & TB will be on him as well, especially the Bolts as he has played there before.
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Post by moognoates on Jan 18, 2023 0:48:26 GMT
Bs Reported to be interested in Luke Schenn for physicality and playoff depth. Remaining cap hit is $350K for Schenn. I like Schenn instead of Stralman being the first RHD call up. Where is Johnny Cap Space ? When DeBrusk comes back the Bruins deadline cap space will be back to $148K. Smith, Reilly and Stralman have been waived already. I would say Smith is the most tradeable with a sweetener. Maybe Zboril is the fall guy. Holy crap, I forgot about Stralman. Wonder if he signed thinking this is how his season would play out.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jan 18, 2023 1:05:14 GMT
All I want for the 2023 Deadline is... Lucic! This team really doesn't need anything so I think it is stupid to talk yourself into the "all in" narrative, and trade away a ton of assets for a big name piece that may or may not work as expected. The locker room chemistry is very real with this team in a way that makes it very risky to make big changes to the roster this season. EVERYBODY is towing their weight on this team, and honestly the only thing you can really pick on would be some of our 4th line options --- "Nosek is where scoring goes to die", "Smith lost his mojo", "Greer is showing why he's never stuck". In reality, even those guys are doing their part for this team --- Nosek playing a responsible 200 ft game, Greer providing some size and passion and the occasional goal, and Smith waiting patiently and working his ass off when he gets a chance. Despite the fact that those guys are "pretty good", Lucic is the one move that I think makes sense to upgrade this team in a way that will not detract from, and if anything will enhance, the culture of this team. We are instantly tougher to play against, and more intimidating with Lucic on the roster. He brings at least as much offense as Nosek or Greer to a 4th line role. He's suited to play up the line-up if we need him to. And he's still tight friends with the core of this team. He's got modest totals right now with 4-8-12 averaging just over 11 minutes a game. For comparison, right now Nosek is 3-5-8 and Greer is 4-4-8 and I'd take Lucic over either of them --- especially for the heavy hitting of playoff hockey. I really don't see a better move to be made as the 2nd leading scoring team in the league, the stingiest defensive team in the league, and a close knit locker room with the level of chemistry that these guys have shown. Unless we lose someone to major injury, I really just can't make a case to go for Kane, or Chickenrun, or Horvat, or any of the other big names being tossed around. Not only do we not have the cap/roster flexibility, but we simply don't need to make that kind of move to upgrade a roster without holes and a team on a historically good regular season run. Lots can happen in six weeks…. Avs were rolling too last year and adding guys like Manson and Lehkonen helped seal the deal…. Read an article just the other day where Donnie said that gms are always looking to better their team…. Adding a top-four left side d-man would make this team even more formidable imo…. and don’t think the farm would need to be sold to acquire…. Yup, that's the thing, as of right now, there's a legitimate point to not fixing what isn't broken, but Donny would look like a total tool if he didn't do anything to bolster the roster and we fell short after such a promising season.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jan 18, 2023 1:08:55 GMT
All I want for the 2023 Deadline is... Lucic! This team really doesn't need anything so I think it is stupid to talk yourself into the "all in" narrative, and trade away a ton of assets for a big name piece that may or may not work as expected. The locker room chemistry is very real with this team in a way that makes it very risky to make big changes to the roster this season. EVERYBODY is towing their weight on this team, and honestly the only thing you can really pick on would be some of our 4th line options --- "Nosek is where scoring goes to die", "Smith lost his mojo", "Greer is showing why he's never stuck". In reality, even those guys are doing their part for this team --- Nosek playing a responsible 200 ft game, Greer providing some size and passion and the occasional goal, and Smith waiting patiently and working his ass off when he gets a chance. Despite the fact that those guys are "pretty good", Lucic is the one move that I think makes sense to upgrade this team in a way that will not detract from, and if anything will enhance, the culture of this team. We are instantly tougher to play against, and more intimidating with Lucic on the roster. He brings at least as much offense as Nosek or Greer to a 4th line role. He's suited to play up the line-up if we need him to. And he's still tight friends with the core of this team. He's got modest totals right now with 4-8-12 averaging just over 11 minutes a game. For comparison, right now Nosek is 3-5-8 and Greer is 4-4-8 and I'd take Lucic over either of them --- especially for the heavy hitting of playoff hockey. I really don't see a better move to be made as the 2nd leading scoring team in the league, the stingiest defensive team in the league, and a close knit locker room with the level of chemistry that these guys have shown. Unless we lose someone to major injury, I really just can't make a case to go for Kane, or Chickenrun, or Horvat, or any of the other big names being tossed around. Not only do we not have the cap/roster flexibility, but we simply don't need to make that kind of move to upgrade a roster without holes and a team on a historically good regular season run. I do not like this idea... I love it. I'd love to have Looch back in the mix for another run at it. Perfect role player and exactly the type of guy we want and need to solidify our identity.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jan 18, 2023 2:53:56 GMT
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Jan 18, 2023 18:20:36 GMT
Inasmuch as Kane would be a great pickup for a playoff run he’ll cost something significant…. and even if Donnie was able to find a way to lock him in for a few years, wingers aren’t really the B’S biggest need for the near future…. Not to mention that Kane seems to be dealing with some nagging injury….
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Post by The OC on Jan 18, 2023 19:02:45 GMT
My preference is to leave the roster as it is, and save assets to address holes/dump salary in the off season. If PB and DK are still having fun, there's no reason not to go for a second last dance and keep the ball rolling. To do that they'll need to free some cap and they might need to motivate someone to take a Reilly or whatever.
One thing that would be even better - and they've done this in the past - is deal for depth AND clear space for next year right now. IE, Reilly and a second for Schenn. The cap impact is double in that scenario, as it allows the team to pay some of PB and DK's bonuses this season freeing up salary for next year, while also the obvious savings of having Reilly off the books. Doing that while picking up a good depth guy would get an A+ deadline rating from me.
I see no reason to go after a guy like Kane.
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Post by dannycater on Jan 18, 2023 20:03:07 GMT
My preference is to leave the roster as it is, and save assets to address holes/dump salary in the off season. If PB and DK are still having fun, there's no reason not to go for a second last dance and keep the ball rolling. To do that they'll need to free some cap and they might need to motivate someone to take a Reilly or whatever. One thing that would be even better - and they've done this in the past - is deal for depth AND clear space for next year right now. IE, Reilly and a second for Schenn. The cap impact is double in that scenario, as it allows the team to pay some of PB and DK's bonuses this season freeing up salary for next year, while also the obvious savings of having Reilly off the books. Doing that while picking up a good depth guy would get an A+ deadline rating from me. I see no reason to go after a guy like Kane. Everybody is making this assumption that this is it for Bergeron/DK and I think both are having a lot of fun, especially 46--production at really a high that rivals his 10-13 days. If they win the Cup, sure, maybe it influences one or both, but the reality is they are kind of young in a sense too. Both can keep going and both are playing at a high level.
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