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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 8, 2023 13:24:28 GMT
So while we are all on pins and needles as these two decide their futures, let's make predictions on if they will retire before next season or not.
Here's mine:
Bergy - back
Krejci - back
Looch - Wickid back! 😁
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 8, 2023 13:52:34 GMT
That would be ideal and wicked fun. Toronto games will be even more awesome this season.
Krejci is not coming back. Think Bergeron is 50/50. Glad Lucic is a Bruin again.
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Post by stevegm on Jul 8, 2023 14:10:37 GMT
even though these are 2 of my favorite players of the last almost 60 years...it kinda pisses me off they feel entitled to create so much drama around themselves. it's a gift to have the ability to make millions playing a game. 95% of players are booted from the league, and don't even get the opportunity to hang around as long as they'd like.
wtf do they think they are? why should we be sucked into such bullshit?
as each day passes, i'm less enthused about them returning. of course the results will suffer, but fuck em.
look at Lucic and Chara. they fought for opportunity. I like that. I was ok with the childish, BS, self promotion last summer. not jumpin on the bandwagon this year. I'm kinda insulted they believe they can re-run it...with any credibility.
Both are plenty good enough. If they don't give a shit(especially Bergeron) after the latest shit-show...fuck em. If their entitled ego makes them feel above the ridiculous entitlement they already enjoy....fuck em.
they obviously have too much money, and too little determination.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 8, 2023 15:39:31 GMT
Why are people so sure Krejci isn't back? If it's that much of a certainty, why no announcement yet? Or do we assume the Bruins know, and are letting DK pick when he makes the news public?
I don't think Bergeron's a lock, but I'll play the game we are asked to play instead of cheating and pretending I'm the house and setting odds like some kind of sandog.
Krejci - retires Bergeron - returns Lucic - 15-15-30 getting some PP2 time and some third like LW time with TFreddy at C.
I've said before I think the drama over the drama is just drama. I don't think there is any drama, just impatience from fans. There's a better than even chance the Bruins already know one or both answers and are conducting themselves accordingly, and even if they don't, I think "accordingly" amounts to there is an offer on the table from the Bruins to both players. The Bruins are not going to pull the offers; the players are not going to shop for better offers. All of the pressure that you expect from a contract negotiation doesn't exist because of it. So why does it matter if they take their time to decide.
Both Lucic and Chara fought for opportunity because they had to. These guys have offers on the table. Not lucrative ones, and if they were coming back to make the money, the offers probably aren't on the table. It probably matters more that they've made $70M and $90M plus in their careers on the return side if they only want to play for the Bruins.
And frankly, I don't want them because they feel obligated. I could see both looking at last year and saying "enough". If the whole thing broke Sizz (and it did, it really did), I can only imagine the blow to the ego of a guy who has repeatedly led the playoffs in scoring and a guy whose career reputation is that he wins at every level. Epic failure whether injuries or no, whether you call it a choke, or no. They have to want it, and I would bet part of wanting it is believing they can - not erase - but correct the idea that that will be their last memorable series.
They'll be back or they won't. I don't think it changes anything other than the team will be better with them than without in large part because they'll be playing for peanuts on the dollar value-wise.
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Post by The OC on Jul 8, 2023 16:13:38 GMT
PB - back. DK - back by Christmas.
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Post by stevegm on Jul 8, 2023 16:47:48 GMT
Why are people so sure Krejci isn't back? If it's that much of a certainty, why no announcement yet? Or do we assume the Bruins know, and are letting DK pick when he makes the news public? I don't think Bergeron's a lock, but I'll play the game we are asked to play instead of cheating and pretending I'm the house and setting odds like some kind of sandog. Krejci - retires Bergeron - returns Lucic - 15-15-30 getting some PP2 time and some third like LW time with TFreddy at C. I've said before I think the drama over the drama is just drama. I don't think there is any drama, just impatience from fans. There's a better than even chance the Bruins already know one or both answers and are conducting themselves accordingly, and even if they don't, I think "accordingly" amounts to there is an offer on the table from the Bruins to both players. The Bruins are not going to pull the offers; the players are not going to shop for better offers. All of the pressure that you expect from a contract negotiation doesn't exist because of it. So why does it matter if they take their time to decide. Both Lucic and Chara fought for opportunity because they had to. These guys have offers on the table. Not lucrative ones, and if they were coming back to make the money, the offers probably aren't on the table. It probably matters more that they've made $70M and $90M plus in their careers on the return side if they only want to play for the Bruins. And frankly, I don't want them because they feel obligated. I could see both looking at last year and saying "enough". If the whole thing broke Sizz (and it did, it really did), I can only imagine the blow to the ego of a guy who has repeatedly led the playoffs in scoring and a guy whose career reputation is that he wins at every level. Epic failure whether injuries or no, whether you call it a choke, or no. They have to want it, and I would bet part of wanting it is believing they can - not erase - but correct the idea that that will be their last memorable series. They'll be back or they won't. I don't think it changes anything other than the team will be better with them than without in large part because they'll be playing for peanuts on the dollar value-wise. I like this, even though it's just the first and last paragraph. It isn't impatience from fans, it's drama. it's drama because it isn't about the norms we always see, money, trades, etc. it's about whether these 2 wanna be bothered playing in the NHL anymore. It's drama, because the company hid the truth for a long time, last year waiting for just the right moment, in their opinion, to make a splash. the players and the company now seem to feel it's a good thing, to treat us like children on Christmas Eve, cept do it for 4 months. If your hunch that the Bruins know one, or both answers...that proves my drama contention. of course there's an offer on the table. "Obligation" isn't a bad thing, it's good. No, Lucic and Chara did not need to fight for opportunity. they've made their millions. They don't need to play in this league either, and coulda walked away at any time too....but they're gamers. that's what i'm speaking to. Lucic and Chara fought for the dream, as do 95% of the rest of them. DK and PB?...repeatedly not sure it's worth the bother, even while delivering better than they did in their early 20's. It's kickin the gods, right in the pills. Much ink has been spilled about Bergerons upcoming baby. fuck me. is he the first person to ever father a child in the NHL? what a crock a shit. It's as little as a 7 month entitled ride, for millions. I don't want guys on my team, that figure it's that much of strain on their self important lives.
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Post by stevegm on Jul 8, 2023 17:24:15 GMT
Kopitar, 2 years 14 mil. As of a month or so ago, pretty much every living soul on the planet would agree Bergeron is better right now. Kopitar is bigger and heavier, and those frames seem to age quicker than the smaller guys.
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Post by moognoates on Jul 8, 2023 18:09:38 GMT
Agree with OC the Optimist. Bergy back and DK comes back before Jan 1st.
I lean more to Steve's thought. I wish they would just make it known, it's been almost three months now. They must know. If there is some hush hush plan from Sweeney for strategy reasons then fine I apologize. But otherwise, I do think they are taking advantage of their status with the organization.
I would have LOVED them to come out 2 weeks after getting eliminated and declaring "FUCK THIS, OUR CAREER IS NOT ENDING WITH THIS EMBARRASSMENT!"
But still we wait....
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Post by dannycater on Jul 8, 2023 19:17:32 GMT
DK has nothing to be embarrassed about as he did everything he possibly could to give the B's a chance at winning game 7. He can walk away knowing he ignited a comeback from 2-0 down for a 3-2 lead. It's a team embarrassment. I want DK to come back because he's my favorite player, but it's PB who may feel he didn't do enough (injury-related) and didn't have as much chance to help the B's move past round 1. Other than that, I don't care if they wait until Jan. 1, 2024 to play because the regular season is an 82-game practice schedule for the real season--the playoffs. Probably better off having both not play until January.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 8, 2023 19:24:35 GMT
I agree on the "effing drama" with the wait. Just fucking announce yes or no. There has been plenty of time. But I'm not on pins and needles.
Krejci said he will not take long to make his decision after the season. Been told already he is not coming back.
Mentally I've moved on from both for next season. Sweeney should be on the phone trying to bring a center in. Unless he knows Bergeron is coming back.
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Post by The OC on Jul 8, 2023 20:32:32 GMT
Bergeron just had his baby. His announcement can come any time now, since the wife had her moment. I expect a couple weeks after the birth.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 8, 2023 20:44:08 GMT
Bergeron just had his baby. His announcement can come any time now, since the wife had her moment. I expect a couple weeks after the birth. One thing is for damn sure...I don't know nothin' about birthing no babies.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 8, 2023 22:42:03 GMT
Agree with OC the Optimist. Bergy back and DK comes back before Jan 1st. I lean more to Steve's thought. I wish they would just make it known, it's been almost three months now. They must know. If there is some hush hush plan from Sweeney for strategy reasons then fine I apologize. But otherwise, I do think they are taking advantage of their status with the organization. I would have LOVED them to come out 2 weeks after getting eliminated and declaring "FUCK THIS, OUR CAREER IS NOT ENDING WITH THIS EMBARRASSMENT!" But still we wait.... Ya, we all know I agree with moongoats on everything because he's wicked smaat, but even more so here... Berg and DK need to just make a decision here... Theyve had a lot of time to decide and meanwhile the B's are trying to piece together a team for next year and there's still no official word from both.. Not sure if being in limbo is disrespectful, but so much hinges on if they want to come back or not. Stop holding up the whole organization and possibly screwing them over next year... They need to obviously make moves I'd they are not coming back and FAs are already being signed... Cmon already!
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Post by islamorada on Jul 8, 2023 22:42:45 GMT
I've gone back and forth on whether Bergeron and Krejci should announce their intentions. Three months ago my thoughts were very direct, "shit or get off the pot". Then I was convinced that waiting through the summer to allow DS to adjust the lineup, probably Book's influence. The back to WTF is wrong with just annoucing like two weeks ago. Now the "watchful waiting" mode has taken over.
Bergeron will be back. Krejci will not. Lucic will make sure Bergeron is not crosschecked by the likes of Tkanucklehead.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 8, 2023 23:07:12 GMT
Like Mr. Miagi said, "either hockey yes or hockey no.... Hockey guess so... Squuuut... Squish like grape."
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Post by badhabitude on Jul 9, 2023 2:33:51 GMT
Like Mr. Miagi said, "either hockey yes or hockey no.... Hockey guess so... Squuuut... Squish like grape." It's never too late to go back and put a poll on the first post
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 9, 2023 2:53:13 GMT
Like Mr. Miagi said, "either hockey yes or hockey no.... Hockey guess so... Squuuut... Squish like grape." It's never too late to go back and put a poll on the first post Good idea Badhabby. Was going to put up a poll to see if we wanted a poll or not, but instead of being a whacky ass I just did the unsizzle-like thing and just did it right.
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Post by stevegm on Jul 9, 2023 11:48:32 GMT
DK has nothing to be embarrassed about as he did everything he possibly could to give the B's a chance at winning game 7. He can walk away knowing he ignited a comeback from 2-0 down for a 3-2 lead. It's a team embarrassment. I want DK to come back because he's my favorite player, but it's PB who may feel he didn't do enough (injury-related) and didn't have as much chance to help the B's move past round 1. Other than that, I don't care if they wait until Jan. 1, 2024 to play because the regular season is an 82-game practice schedule for the real season--the playoffs. Probably better off having both not play until January. The suits don't look at it that way. The players don't. The number one goal of any NHL team is to sell as many tickets as possible for 41 home games. That's the business model. Players get the big bucks, and employment in general, based on regular season stats. Bruins don't have to worry about that right now...they've been good for a long time, but it's well known that if they suck for a few years, attendance goes to shit, same as it does anywhere except TO and Montreal. You can't build a team to win the cup, you can only build one to compete for a Cup. It's random, history proves that. You've said this, and I agree. I had a lot of fun, got a lot of enjoyment watching the Bruins historic run, last fall/winter. It was an amazing accomplishment, lasted over 7 months, and it's stupid to say something I spent as much time investing myself in.. was a waste. It wasn't, it was history. What was stupid....was expectation, going into a a random mixmaster, was Cup or bust. Too many variables on a 7 game season. Losing to florida in round 1 was the end of the world, but losing to florida in round 3, wouldn't have been quite so bad? that's the narrative, and it's dumb. they didn't go deep. I hope they don't feel so entitled to do that. The hockey experience has to be bigger than just the playoffs, even though the ultimate prize, is..the ultimate prize. Look, getting laid is certainly the bottom line, but an evening with Halle Berry and a hand job shouldn't be considered disaster either. This stuff is about the same thing.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 9, 2023 12:43:37 GMT
DK has nothing to be embarrassed about as he did everything he possibly could to give the B's a chance at winning game 7. He can walk away knowing he ignited a comeback from 2-0 down for a 3-2 lead. It's a team embarrassment. I want DK to come back because he's my favorite player, but it's PB who may feel he didn't do enough (injury-related) and didn't have as much chance to help the B's move past round 1. Other than that, I don't care if they wait until Jan. 1, 2024 to play because the regular season is an 82-game practice schedule for the real season--the playoffs. Probably better off having both not play until January. The suits don't look at it that way. The players don't. The number one goal of any NHL team is to sell as many tickets as possible for 41 home games. That's the business model. Players get the big bucks, and employment in general, based on regular season stats. Bruins don't have to worry about that right now...they've been good for a long time, but it's well known that if they suck for a few years, attendance goes to shit, same as it does anywhere except TO and Montreal. You can't build a team to win the cup, you can only build one to compete for a Cup. It's random, history proves that. You've said this, and I agree. I had a lot of fun, got a lot of enjoyment watching the Bruins historic run, last fall/winter. It was an amazing accomplishment, lasted over 7 months, and it's stupid to say something I spent as much time investing myself in.. was a waste. It wasn't, it was history. What was stupid....was expectation, going into a a random mixmaster, was Cup or bust. Too many variables on a 7 game season. Losing to florida in round 1 was the end of the world, but losing to florida in round 3, wouldn't have been quite so bad? that's the narrative, and it's dumb. they didn't go deep. I hope they don't feel so entitled to do that. The hockey experience has to be bigger than just the playoffs, even though the ultimate prize, is..the ultimate prize. Look, getting laid is certainly the bottom line, but an evening with Halle Berry and a hand job shouldn't be considered disaster either. This stuff is about the same thing. I mean, we've all got our own opinions on what makes a successful season... OC hasnt stopped buying his 2023 B's merch and has been partying like OV after he won the cup because of all the regular season records. Lots have said it is what it is and are moving on to next year, just like the last 10+ years and Moongoats and I are just disgusted with the mother of all collapses.. But a Haley Berry HJ, while there are a couple levels about that seems a bit lofty as a comparison point... The B's did have the greatest season in the history of the sport, so ya, they earned a spot at the dinner table with Haley Berry and they got up 3-1...looking good, small talk made and ordered some appetizers... Oh the bruschetta looks good when it arrives and Haley is give give the "fuck me" eyes as she sips on her cocktail! Nice! Except, they get so nervous they freak out and lose all control blow a load in their shorts with a mouthful of bruschetta and then jump up on the table and push out a giant steamy log right in Haley's salad, call Haley's mother a five nippled shit pig as you are being dragged out by security just to make sure you never score a date with her again... That's a bit more accurate of a comparison of the post season performance. Matthew Tkachuk and Bob were occupying Haley's hands at the end of the night. The whole Knights org has been bending her over the cup for months now.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 9, 2023 13:04:11 GMT
The suits don't look at it that way. The players don't. The number one goal of any NHL team is to sell as many tickets as possible for 41 home games. That's the business model. Players get the big bucks, and employment in general, based on regular season stats. Bruins don't have to worry about that right now...they've been good for a long time, but it's well known that if they suck for a few years, attendance goes to shit, same as it does anywhere except TO and Montreal. You can't build a team to win the cup, you can only build one to compete for a Cup. It's random, history proves that. You've said this, and I agree. I had a lot of fun, got a lot of enjoyment watching the Bruins historic run, last fall/winter. It was an amazing accomplishment, lasted over 7 months, and it's stupid to say something I spent as much time investing myself in.. was a waste. It wasn't, it was history. What was stupid....was expectation, going into a a random mixmaster, was Cup or bust. Too many variables on a 7 game season. Losing to florida in round 1 was the end of the world, but losing to florida in round 3, wouldn't have been quite so bad? that's the narrative, and it's dumb. they didn't go deep. I hope they don't feel so entitled to do that. The hockey experience has to be bigger than just the playoffs, even though the ultimate prize, is..the ultimate prize. Look, getting laid is certainly the bottom line, but an evening with Halle Berry and a hand job shouldn't be considered disaster either. This stuff is about the same thing. I mean, we've all got our own opinions on what makes a successful season... OC hasnt stopped buying his 2023 B's merch and has been partying like OV after he won the cup because of all the regular season records. Lots have said it is what it is and are moving on to next year, just like the last 10+ years and Moongoats and I are just disgusted with the mother of all collapses.. But a Haley Berry HJ, while there are a couple levels about that seems a bit lofty as a comparison point... The B's did have the greatest season in the history of the sport, so ya, they earned a spot at the dinner table with Haley Berry and they got up 3-1...looking good, small talk made and ordered some appetizers... Oh the bruschetta looks good when it arrives and Haley is give give the "fuck me" eyes as she sips on her cocktail! Nice! Except, they get so nervous they freak out and lose all control blow a load in their shorts with a mouthful of bruschetta and then jump up on the table and push out a giant steamy log right in Haley's salad, call Haley's mother a five nippled shit pig as you are being dragged out by security just to make sure you never score a date with her again... That's a bit more accurate of a comparison of the post season performance. Matthew Tkachuk and Bob were occupying Haley's hands at the end of the night. The whole Knights org has been bending her over the cup for months now. Billy Bob Thornton did too in Monster's Ball. Berry, Berry good, indeed.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jul 9, 2023 13:13:23 GMT
Bergeron will find the pull of wearing the C for an Original "6" team during their 100th anniversary season too much to resist and will return. DK won't want to be away from his family for another season and will hang them up, i don't believe they live in Boston during the season but i could be wrong. Anyway, with Bergy back the center position will be settled.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 9, 2023 14:04:00 GMT
Bergeron will find the pull of wearing the C for an Original "6" team during their 100th anniversary season too much to resist and will return. DK won't want to be away from his family for another season and will hang them up, i don't believe they live in Boston during the season but i could be wrong. Anyway, with Bergy back the center position will be settled. DK lives in South Carolina...Lucic may be the key to this whole "will they come back, won't they come back" thing. You have to think both are coming back and the only reason I think that might be is the way DS didn't go after a center...Zacha and Coyle have Freddy, Lauko, Steen as their centers right now...But I can't speculate and so far a lot of people say DK is not coming back and PB is---I feel like it's both coming back.
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Post by moognoates on Jul 9, 2023 14:05:01 GMT
The suits don't look at it that way. The players don't. The number one goal of any NHL team is to sell as many tickets as possible for 41 home games. That's the business model. Players get the big bucks, and employment in general, based on regular season stats. Bruins don't have to worry about that right now...they've been good for a long time, but it's well known that if they suck for a few years, attendance goes to shit, same as it does anywhere except TO and Montreal. You can't build a team to win the cup, you can only build one to compete for a Cup. It's random, history proves that. You've said this, and I agree. I had a lot of fun, got a lot of enjoyment watching the Bruins historic run, last fall/winter. It was an amazing accomplishment, lasted over 7 months, and it's stupid to say something I spent as much time investing myself in.. was a waste. It wasn't, it was history. What was stupid....was expectation, going into a a random mixmaster, was Cup or bust. Too many variables on a 7 game season. Losing to florida in round 1 was the end of the world, but losing to florida in round 3, wouldn't have been quite so bad? that's the narrative, and it's dumb. they didn't go deep. I hope they don't feel so entitled to do that. The hockey experience has to be bigger than just the playoffs, even though the ultimate prize, is..the ultimate prize. Look, getting laid is certainly the bottom line, but an evening with Halle Berry and a hand job shouldn't be considered disaster either. This stuff is about the same thing. I mean, we've all got our own opinions on what makes a successful season... OC hasnt stopped buying his 2023 B's merch and has been partying like OV after he won the cup because of all the regular season records. Lots have said it is what it is and are moving on to next year, just like the last 10+ years and Moongoats and I are just disgusted with the mother of all collapses.. But a Haley Berry HJ, while there are a couple levels about that seems a bit lofty as a comparison point... The B's did have the greatest season in the history of the sport, so ya, they earned a spot at the dinner table with Haley Berry and they got up 3-1...looking good, small talk made and ordered some appetizers... Oh the bruschetta looks good when it arrives and Haley is give give the "fuck me" eyes as she sips on her cocktail! Nice! Except, they get so nervous they freak out and lose all control blow a load in their shorts with a mouthful of bruschetta and then jump up on the table and push out a giant steamy log right in Haley's salad, call Haley's mother a five nippled shit pig as you are being dragged out by security just to make sure you never score a date with her again... That's a bit more accurate of a comparison of the post season performance. Matthew Tkachuk and Bob were occupying Haley's hands at the end of the night. The whole Knights org has been bending her over the cup for months now. The visuals are 'Sizzlin!
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Post by kelvana33 on Jul 9, 2023 15:04:17 GMT
At the end of the season, I was convinced neither were coming back. The longer we go without either one announcing their retirement makes me doubt myself. If they are retiring why haven't they announced it?
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Post by dannycater on Jul 9, 2023 15:35:51 GMT
At the end of the season, I was convinced neither were coming back. The longer we go without either one announcing their retirement makes me doubt myself. If they are retiring why haven't they announced it? Agreed, that's it entirely...I don't remember a time in sports history where a high profile professional athlete waited in an off season to announce they are retiring...most are moments after a season ended or even right near the end of a season to say they are done. This is eerily a bit like last season...liken it to a concert where the band goes off stage and everyone is cheering, roaring, standing...waiting for the encore..and they come right back on to do their best hits...that's whay DK/PB are doing...it's unorthodox but hey if it means they are coming back and even on a limited basis (not actually joining lineup until December), then so what...all positives if they return. PB/DK simply have the B's in a way by the balls.
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