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Post by brewwins on Jul 16, 2023 3:44:34 GMT
Let's talk about the upcoming season. Are the Bruins going to make us forget all about the 2023 disaster after a record breaking year? I think back to that amazing season they had when they broke records in the 1970-71 season then lost to an inferior Canadians team then rebounded in amazing fashion and won the Cup in 1972. Then they lost to the Flyers in 2010 after being up 3-0 in the series and up 3-0 in game 7. But they came back in 2011 and won the Cup after 39 years. A lot of teams have won the Cup the next season after winning the Presidents Trophy. The Bruins are 1-7 in their last Stanley Cup Finals appearances. I feel like the Bruins can win the Cup in the next 3 seasons.
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Post by Lord Markwart on Jul 16, 2023 6:37:07 GMT
I know one thing for sure is that you are not going to let us forget Betuzzi's face.
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Post by moognoates on Jul 16, 2023 10:51:25 GMT
I've never forgotten 2019. So no I won't forget or let go of last season as well. Those kind of losses make you question things.
2010 against the Flyers just becomes part of the story because they won it the following year. Only way to make up for last seasons choke is to win it this year.
I don't share your optimism in a cup the next three years. I'm afraid we could be starring at a 15+ year rut coming. We will still be decent as we have a lot of talent and Boston is a desirable place to play, but we need to find that elite #1 Center before I regain any confidence.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 16, 2023 12:50:05 GMT
I've never forgotten 2019. So no I won't forget or let go of last season as well. Those kind of losses make you question things. 2010 against the Flyers just becomes part of the story because they won it the following year. Only way to make up for last seasons choke is to win it this year. I don't share your optimism in a cup the next three years. I'm afraid we could be starring at a 15+ year rut coming. We will still be decent as we have a lot of talent and Boston is a desirable place to play, but we need to find that elite #1 Center before I regain any confidence. I'm not gonna do what you all think I'm gonna do and... FFFFFLIP OUT! I'll just stick with the movie references and say that the complacency of the last many-few years needs to go.... Flat-out out-played in gm7 of the SCF is shameful and last year was a historic grade A disaster of a post season. They need to get back that eye of the tiger. Bringing back the guy who threatened to kill in handshake lines is probably enough to get me to watch next season after the summer of vomit, but I'm not sure that's enough to actually make a post season difference. Berg and Krejci may not be coming back, and if they do, they are obviously a year older, not getting younger and to my knowledge Bergy has NEVER been healthy in the post season. There needs to be a mindset change. They need the eye of the tiger back... Do they even remember it?? Have we learned our lesson on preparing for the post season? Chasing meaningless records killed us. Just squeak in and who gives a fuck about anything other than health and mental preparedness. Have we learned our lesson on a 2 goalie system? So far it's a big fat NO. Who gives a fraction of a shit about having two great goalies if we will still stick with one as the mighty ship starts sinking immediately after setting off for a 16 win journey. IMHO they should have traded Linus while his value was a peak... And... Hill... Also not sure DS even knows what he's doing.. I'm back in the "throw him in the chuck" wagon again. Got 3 good players by selling our future just to let them all walk and and now no players or multiple firsts. If killing organization value was his goal... Spot on. They just need to hope for some good luck... A goalie needs to get hot and steal rounds. They need to be healthy and make big plays at opportune times.. They were clear favorites last year and we all saw what happened. They will NOT be in the same situation this year, but they don't need to. They haven't learned from 2019. Let's see what they have or have not learned from 2023. I just wish they didn't undo the one positive I saw last year.. We've got some shit value contracts.. Grit like hath and Bert would be helpful for the playoff grind. Id have made serious moves to keep Orlov too... But what whatever... All I really know is the regular season is just way less important then ever and moons need to align... Did I mention the eye of the tiger yet? Or the clubber lanes of the nhl with knock them the fuck out!
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Post by dannycater on Jul 16, 2023 13:32:46 GMT
I've never forgotten 2019. So no I won't forget or let go of last season as well. Those kind of losses make you question things. 2010 against the Flyers just becomes part of the story because they won it the following year. Only way to make up for last seasons choke is to win it this year. I don't share your optimism in a cup the next three years. I'm afraid we could be starring at a 15+ year rut coming. We will still be decent as we have a lot of talent and Boston is a desirable place to play, but we need to find that elite #1 Center before I regain any confidence. I'm not gonna do what you all think I'm gonna do and... FFFFFLIP OUT! I'll just stick with the movie references and say that the complacency of the last many-few years needs to go.... Flat-out out-played in gm7 of the SCF is shameful and last year was a historic grade A disaster of a post season. They need to get back that eye of the tiger. Bringing back the guy who threatened to kill in handshake lines is probably enough to get me to watch next season after the summer of vomit, but I'm not sure that's enough to actually make a post season difference. Berg and Krejci may not be coming back, and if they do, they are obviously a year older, not getting younger and to my knowledge Bergy has NEVER been healthy in the post season. There needs to be a mindset change. They need the eye of the tiger back... Do they even remember it?? Have we learned our lesson on preparing for the post season? Chasing meaningless records killed us. Just squeak in and who gives a fuck about anything other than health and mental preparedness. Have we learned our lesson on a 2 goalie system? So far it's a big fat NO. Who gives a fraction of a shit about having two great goalies if we will still stick with one as the mighty ship starts sinking immediately after setting off for a 16 win journey. IMHO they should have traded Linus while his value was a peak... And... Hill... Also not sure DS even knows what he's doing.. I'm back in the "throw him in the chuck" wagon again. Got 3 good players by selling our future just to let them all walk and and now no players or multiple firsts. If killing organization value was his goal... Spot on. They just need to hope for some good luck... A goalie needs to get hot and steal rounds. They need to be healthy and make big plays at opportune times.. They were clear favorites last year and we all saw what happened. They will NOT be in the same situation this year, but they don't need to. They haven't learned from 2019. Let's see what they have or have not learned from 2023. I just wish they didn't undo the one positive I saw last year.. We've got some shit value contracts.. Grit like hath and Bert would be helpful for the playoff grind. Id have made serious moves to keep Orlov too... But what whatever... All I really know is the regular season is just way less important then ever and moons need to align... Did I mention the eye of the tiger yet? Or the clubber lanes of the nhl with knock them the fuck out! My prediction for the 23-24 season...*pain*
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Post by wayne on Jul 16, 2023 13:46:35 GMT
If they can get Swayman, Frederic signed for cheap and if Bergy comes back they will be fine
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Post by stevegm on Jul 16, 2023 14:07:00 GMT
I've never forgotten 2019. So no I won't forget or let go of last season as well. Those kind of losses make you question things. 2010 against the Flyers just becomes part of the story because they won it the following year. Only way to make up for last seasons choke is to win it this year. I don't share your optimism in a cup the next three years. I'm afraid we could be starring at a 15+ year rut coming. We will still be decent as we have a lot of talent and Boston is a desirable place to play, but we need to find that elite #1 Center before I regain any confidence. I'm not gonna do what you all think I'm gonna do and... FFFFFLIP OUT! I'll just stick with the movie references and say that the complacency of the last many-few years needs to go.... Flat-out out-played in gm7 of the SCF is shameful and last year was a historic grade A disaster of a post season. They need to get back that eye of the tiger. Bringing back the guy who threatened to kill in handshake lines is probably enough to get me to watch next season after the summer of vomit, but I'm not sure that's enough to actually make a post season difference. Berg and Krejci may not be coming back, and if they do, they are obviously a year older, not getting younger and to my knowledge Bergy has NEVER been healthy in the post season. There needs to be a mindset change. They need the eye of the tiger back... Do they even remember it?? Have we learned our lesson on preparing for the post season? Chasing meaningless records killed us. Just squeak in and who gives a fuck about anything other than health and mental preparedness. Have we learned our lesson on a 2 goalie system? So far it's a big fat NO. Who gives a fraction of a shit about having two great goalies if we will still stick with one as the mighty ship starts sinking immediately after setting off for a 16 win journey. IMHO they should have traded Linus while his value was a peak... And... Hill... Also not sure DS even knows what he's doing.. I'm back in the "throw him in the chuck" wagon again. Got 3 good players by selling our future just to let them all walk and and now no players or multiple firsts. If killing organization value was his goal... Spot on. They just need to hope for some good luck... A goalie needs to get hot and steal rounds. They need to be healthy and make big plays at opportune times.. They were clear favorites last year and we all saw what happened. They will NOT be in the same situation this year, but they don't need to. They haven't learned from 2019. Let's see what they have or have not learned from 2023. I just wish they didn't undo the one positive I saw last year.. We've got some shit value contracts.. Grit like hath and Bert would be helpful for the playoff grind. Id have made serious moves to keep Orlov too... But what whatever... All I really know is the regular season is just way less important then ever and moons need to align... Did I mention the eye of the tiger yet? Or the clubber lanes of the nhl with knock them the fuck out! Think they were complacent in 10, but not in 11? C'mon, if it were that simple....winning it all, wouldn't be any kind of mystery whatsoever. Learned their "lessons"? C'mon. "Preparing' for the post season? This is getting beyond ridiculous. "Chasing meaningless records"? Batshit, juvenile crazy. It's one thing to lose ones mind over something one has zero influence over...whatsoever...but it's downright grating to read so much that lacks any acumen about sport...let alone hockey. Disappointment? Sure. Anger? Fair game. But the anger needs to have basis. Otherwise that anger, isn't anger, it's simply a childish tantrum. Nothing you're writing has any meat to it, nor has it, since April on this subject. It isn't even cliche...and everyone knows... that for every cliche, there's a contradicting one. They lost, and yes, they sure as Hell under delivered to historical standards. Part of the reason, is built into the playoff system. Part is because it's a fekin game, and games are meant to have an element of unpredictability. Part of it is execution, part is coaching. Part is pressure, and a big part, is the reality that in any sport, you can't really dictate luck. You can't dictate when your players are gonna be on their A game, or how many will be... at the same time. It;s a razor fine line between success and failure, even when you have all the pieces like the Bruins did this year. Some people seem to have it in their head, that not winning it all....means nobody "fekin tried" !! "Everything feked up"!! It doesn't work that way at all !!! If it fekin did...a whiney idiot could fix it. Many reasons why this happened...but they're all nuanced, and it's the cumulative effect that did us in.
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Post by moognoates on Jul 16, 2023 14:48:23 GMT
It isn't the randomness of a given game or playoff series Steve that frustrates us. In fact that's why we watch sports. For the unknowns, comebacks and upsets.
The issue is this organization and, to a degree, this core's inability to win big games year after year after year. Especially when they are the more talented team and on home ice. The Lightning, Devils, Penguins, Hawks, Kings, Avalanche, Red Wings are all examples of teams of recent memory that built strong cores and took multiple cups from that window. I think the Bruins core can rival any one of those teams, yet they only won once. And even that one came scary close to ending in the first round.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 16, 2023 15:02:29 GMT
It isn't the randomness of a given game or playoff series Steve that frustrates us. In fact that's why we watch sports. For the unknowns, comebacks and upsets. The issue is this organization and, to a degree, this core's inability to win big games year after year after year. Especially when they are the more talented team and on home ice. The Lightning, Devils, Penguins, Hawks, Kings, Avalanche, Red Wings are all examples of teams of recent memory that built strong cores and took multiple cups from that window. I think the Bruins core can rival any one of those teams, yet they only won once. And even that one came scary close to ending in the first round. It is a bit randomness though...The multiple Cup thing and that the B's have just one in that span...Can't argue with the thought that the B's have mostly sucked in some of the biggest games of the 21st century...The 2x the B's missed the playoffs had wacky, nearly next to impossible not to make it scenarios that the B's still controlled their own destiny--and missed them both with dreadful late losses...You go right down the line...the 10 disaster (minimized sure by the Cup win next year, but again hard to lose up 3-0, and up 3-0 in the 7th game even--how do you lose that?? the 13 game 6 debacle...the 19 Cup final...and then this up 3-1 v. shitty Florida and to rally from down 2-0 to take a 3-2 lead and only needing to protect for that last minute...the B's have been a jinxed team in that they have been almost more consistent since Julien era while some of the teams moog cited have not had that consistency and in some of those cases they have fallen on hard times and dreadful seasons of mediocrity...the Dead Wings have been poor for how long now? The Kings had some awful years, the Hawks are flat out awful, the Pens got old quick, the Devils meh, the Lightning the only team that may have matched the B's in consistency while the Avs have been a force since Makar, Rantanen, Mckinnon took over. Still the B's are easily criticized on this board, and in some cases rightfully so. I try to rationalize and think well we were lucky to get that one Cup in 2011. Bottom line, we probably should have had 3 Cups--11,13, and 19.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 16, 2023 15:06:37 GMT
I also think that the older crew on this board (me certainly one of them)...we rationalize, almost isolate the 11 Cup as a thank god we did win that year to get that Orr-Big Bad Bruin legacy of last one off our backs...the younger crowd here I think can't believe our dreadful big games since 2011 (and before in 2010). The older bunch simply state that there are other franchises far worse off than the B's in the win the Cup thing. Anyway, Go B's!
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Post by dannycater on Jul 16, 2023 15:14:27 GMT
By the way, Bergeron and Krejci and the Farewell Tour...it's excruciating to the fan base to be stuck waiting and waiting..and waiting some more...sure the franchise probably knew/know their intentions going back to June, but I have to admit this is getting more ridiculous by the day. Bergeron and Krejci end of career is worse than Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, and others saying "I'm done", then say "I'm back!"...whatever...I don't need the drama here. I'm hoping both return. But it's getting to be that I can't even think about the alternative as far as what happens to the B's in 23-24..the alternative is not good offensively. The team may be good overall because of goaltending and d corps, but it's going to be tougher and tougher to win in playoffs unless the system sort of changes back to a more Julien controlled style..although I don't even know if you can play that style anymore in this league...protecting 1 to 2 goal leads late in games was a Julien strong suit (except for 13, game 6)....lastly it was sort of a sick joke that Cassidy wins with Vegas in his 1st season...Monty gets the records, Cassidy gets the prize.
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Post by stevegm on Jul 16, 2023 16:21:09 GMT
It isn't the randomness of a given game or playoff series Steve that frustrates us. In fact that's why we watch sports. For the unknowns, comebacks and upsets. The issue is this organization and, to a degree, this core's inability to win big games year after year after year. Especially when they are the more talented team and on home ice. The Lightning, Devils, Penguins, Hawks, Kings, Avalanche, Red Wings are all examples of teams of recent memory that built strong cores and took multiple cups from that window. I think the Bruins core can rival any one of those teams, yet they only won once. And even that one came scary close to ending in the first round. We're all frustrated moog. Your points are valid. This has been a really good team for an awfully long time. Management screwed that up, by over reacting to a once in a lifetime snafu in 14/15, but absolutely, this team has been the best team in hockey over the last 14 or 15 years. Absolutely, 1 cup isn't near good enough. But 2 cups from 69-75 wasn't near good enough either. Everybody was winning 3 or 4 or 5 in a row. You mention Pittsburgh. What about them getting embarassed by the Bruins 4 straight? That's also about as big a shit-show as I've seen. What about 19? One of the biggest factors in that underwhelming post season, was nothing more than all the other big dogs....all of them...shit the bed.."gifting", in the words of most hockey scribes and professionals...the Bruins a cup on a silver platter. Get some perspective people. Stop seeing the hockey universe, in the same wide eyed narrative you saw Adam West in. Nobody is arguing the fact they shit themselves. And they've shit themselves multiple times. And yes, you only get so many cracks at the big prize,,,then you probably decline for a while then start back up the ladder. It's frustrating. It's frustrating enough, without constantly reading stupid shit regarding why, that doesn't equate to a standard of, kindergarten-hockey-shit for dummies. Opinions and thoughts don't matter. It's only the "why" that makes a thought or opinion worth listening to. I'm all for criticism, and speaking up, and calling a spade a spade. But if someone wants to grab a public megaphone, and criticize and whine and wail...they godamn well better have some backup to share and debate. A lot smarter people than me, have thoroughly countered everything that i'm speaking to. Several times. We're well past the point of needing to either explain it..or read it.
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Post by The OC on Jul 16, 2023 16:29:35 GMT
It isn't the randomness of a given game or playoff series Steve that frustrates us. In fact that's why we watch sports. For the unknowns, comebacks and upsets. The issue is this organization and, to a degree, this core's inability to win big games year after year after year. Especially when they are the more talented team and on home ice. The Lightning, Devils, Penguins, Hawks, Kings, Avalanche, Red Wings are all examples of teams of recent memory that built strong cores and took multiple cups from that window. I think the Bruins core can rival any one of those teams, yet they only won once. And even that one came scary close to ending in the first round. We're all frustrated moog. Your points are valid. This has been a really good team for an awfully long time. Management screwed that up, by over reacting to a once in a lifetime snafu in 14/15, but absolutely, this team has been the best team in hockey over the last 14 or 15 years. Absolutely, 1 cup isn't near good enough. But 2 cups from 69-75 wasn't near good enough either. Everybody was winning 3 or 4 or 5 in a row. You mention Pittsburgh. What about them getting embarassed by the Bruins 4 straight? That's also about as big a shit-show as I've seen. What about 19? One of the biggest factors in that underwhelming post season, was nothing more than all the other big dogs....all of them...shit the bed.."gifting", in the words of most hockey scribes and professionals...the Bruins a cup on a silver platter. Get some perspective people. Stop seeing the hockey universe, in the same wide eyed narrative you saw Adam West in. Nobody is arguing the fact they shit themselves. And they've shit themselves multiple times. And yes, you only get so many cracks at the big prize,,,then you probably decline for a while then start back up the ladder. It's frustrating. It's frustrating enough, without constantly reading stupid shit regarding why, that doesn't equate to a standard of, kindergarten-hockey-shit for dummies. Opinions and thoughts don't matter. It's only the "why" that makes a thought or opinion worth listening to. I'm all for criticism, and speaking up, and calling a spade a spade. But if someone wants to grab a public megaphone, and criticize and whine and wail...they godamn well better have some backup to share and debate. A lot smarter people than me, have thoroughly countered everything that i'm speaking to. Several times. We're well past the point of needing to either explain it..or read it. Stop, you're making me blush!
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Post by stevegm on Jul 16, 2023 16:29:49 GMT
By the way, Bergeron and Krejci and the Farewell Tour...it's excruciating to the fan base to be stuck waiting and waiting..and waiting some more...sure the franchise probably knew/know their intentions going back to June, but I have to admit this is getting more ridiculous by the day. Bergeron and Krejci end of career is worse than Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, and others saying "I'm done", then say "I'm back!"...whatever...I don't need the drama here. I'm hoping both return. But it's getting to be that I can't even think about the alternative as far as what happens to the B's in 23-24..the alternative is not good offensively. The team may be good overall because of goaltending and d corps, but it's going to be tougher and tougher to win in playoffs unless the system sort of changes back to a more Julien controlled style..although I don't even know if you can play that style anymore in this league...protecting 1 to 2 goal leads late in games was a Julien strong suit (except for 13, game 6)....lastly it was sort of a sick joke that Cassidy wins with Vegas in his 1st season...Monty gets the records, Cassidy gets the prize. Agreed. bad enough when you're Brady and Jordon. These guys aren't. But I'm going to assume, for now, it isn't so much them, as it is, something strategic by the company. If I ever get the notion, they're simply playing their best customers(us), I'll once again be leading the charge to whack the entire management group, and put Charlie back in the stables where he belongs. BTW...that's exactly what they did last year, and other than power over the marketplace..I've yet to see why.
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Post by moognoates on Jul 17, 2023 3:22:27 GMT
It isn't the randomness of a given game or playoff series Steve that frustrates us. In fact that's why we watch sports. For the unknowns, comebacks and upsets. The issue is this organization and, to a degree, this core's inability to win big games year after year after year. Especially when they are the more talented team and on home ice. The Lightning, Devils, Penguins, Hawks, Kings, Avalanche, Red Wings are all examples of teams of recent memory that built strong cores and took multiple cups from that window. I think the Bruins core can rival any one of those teams, yet they only won once. And even that one came scary close to ending in the first round. We're all frustrated moog. Your points are valid. This has been a really good team for an awfully long time. Management screwed that up, by over reacting to a once in a lifetime snafu in 14/15, but absolutely, this team has been the best team in hockey over the last 14 or 15 years. Absolutely, 1 cup isn't near good enough. But 2 cups from 69-75 wasn't near good enough either. Everybody was winning 3 or 4 or 5 in a row. You mention Pittsburgh. What about them getting embarassed by the Bruins 4 straight? That's also about as big a shit-show as I've seen. What about 19? One of the biggest factors in that underwhelming post season, was nothing more than all the other big dogs....all of them...shit the bed.."gifting", in the words of most hockey scribes and professionals...the Bruins a cup on a silver platter. Get some perspective people. Stop seeing the hockey universe, in the same wide eyed narrative you saw Adam West in. Nobody is arguing the fact they shit themselves. And they've shit themselves multiple times. And yes, you only get so many cracks at the big prize,,,then you probably decline for a while then start back up the ladder. It's frustrating. It's frustrating enough, without constantly reading stupid shit regarding why, that doesn't equate to a standard of, kindergarten-hockey-shit for dummies. Opinions and thoughts don't matter. It's only the "why" that makes a thought or opinion worth listening to. I'm all for criticism, and speaking up, and calling a spade a spade. But if someone wants to grab a public megaphone, and criticize and whine and wail...they godamn well better have some backup to share and debate. A lot smarter people than me, have thoroughly countered everything that i'm speaking to. Several times. We're well past the point of needing to either explain it..or read it. Who are you yelling at?
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Post by Bim on Jul 17, 2023 7:07:01 GMT
....lastly it was sort of a sick joke that Cassidy wins with Vegas in his 1st season...Monty gets the records, Cassidy gets the prize. And there's the rub. Sweeney's vision is nothing more than a bad dream.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 17, 2023 14:06:41 GMT
Get some perspective people. Stop seeing the hockey universe, in the same wide eyed narrative you saw Adam West in. Nobody is arguing the fact they shit themselves. And they've shit themselves multiple times. And yes, you only get so many cracks at the big prize,,,then you probably decline for a while then start back up the ladder. It's frustrating. Perspective. That's a great idea. Since the first expansion, the Bruins are 3-7 in 10 Finals appearances. Ouch. In that time, the Bruins have had 100 more regular season wins than any other team. They have 200 more points. They have almost 500 more goals than Montreal in second, the best goals for per game and the second best goals against per game (Montreal beats them 2.83 to 2.86) if you take out the recent expansion teams who didn't have to live through the go-go 70s and 80s. The Bruins have been the best regular season team over the last 50+ years. That is at least 50% of our frustration as fans - best regular season team; can't close the deal. But it's not like they haven't been good in the playoffs. No franchise has played more playoff games. Only Montreal has more playoff wins, and so logically no team has more goals for than the Bruins. They simply lost series for a whole host of reasons that mostly reflect the difference between measuring quality as a consistent level of excellence over a sustained period vs. having the highest ceiling possible and being able to reach it consistently over short periods. But there are no trophies for best franchise over 50+ years. All the trophies are for seasons, and in many of the individual seasons where the Bruins have been obvious contenders, one of the NHL's greatest dynasties has also been in play. The loss to rookie Dryden aside, the 5 straight Canadiens of the late 70s can credibly claim to be the best team of all time. If they hadn't been there, the Bruins might have won two or three Cups in that era with Park and Cheevers and Ratelle and Middleton. Then in the early 80s, it was the Islanders - a baton pass with no windows in between. They were still a good team then, with 96 then 110 then 104 point seasons. Then they took a bit of a step back while the Islanders passed the baton to the Gretzky Oilers, who then won 5 of the next 7...including two over the resurgent Bruins. Good reason to think that if the Oilers had stumbled in either 1988 or 1990 that the Bruins win at least one of those series. So from 1975 to 1990, three franchises won the Cup every year except for 1989 when Calgary finally broke through with Gretzky in LA. Everyone else got to watch for 16 saesons. Philly got to share some of the Bruins' pain by making it to the Finals 4 times and losing after beating the Bruins in their first appearance. Push it out to 1994, and you have the best of the Mario years - a short lived dynasty thanks to cancer. Now Chicago has made it three times and lost each time. Minnesota made it twice and lost both times. STL made it three in a row at the beginning of expansion and then nothing. None of the other WHA teams got a sniff. Rangers lost twice, and eventually broke through in 1994 which remains their only win since 1940. Wings didn't make the Finals at all in that era. Leafs...LOL. Those dynasty teams had a higher ceiling than the Bruins teams - and any other team - in those seasons. Not much you can do about that. I think you can make a similar argument about 94 to the lockout, except there were three or four teams that were head and shoulders above the rest of the league in terms of playing the game the way it was played in the 90s. The Devils, the Wings, the Avs and the Stars. And they traded off the Cup for that period. That period coincides with a down period for the Bruins with the exception of a short but disappointing window with JTS. Since the Cap came into play, it's been largely two things: The Crosby Era and Chicago. LA had a short, brilliant run. Three things - the Bolts in the last 5-7 years since they made it and lost to the end of the Hawks in 2015. It's the reality for most of the league that very few teams actually complete the trick. And that's the reality for some very, very good teams along the way. Vancouver's been three times and never won (LOL). San Jose was a dominant team with JTS for nearly a decade - made one Final and lost. In the Cap era, the Bruins have the most regular season wins and one Cup (and two losses in the Finals). Pitt is next (3 Cups, 1 Finals Loss). Then Washington with one Cup, but then Nashville (0-1 in the Finals), SJ, and the Rangers (0-1) before the Bolts. The Wild (no record) and Stars (0-1) come before the Blues (1-0). Carolina won the first Cup of the Cap era, but has never been back. Anaheim won the second and has never been back. They're 12 and 11 in regular season wins. Detroit rode the previous generation's stars to a 1-1 record early in the era, but has been awful for 15 years. Colorado won last year after a long period of frustration as one of the worst teams in the league. LA has two Cups but are 19th in regular season performance over the last 20 years. No one else has won. Most of the league, including Montreal and Toronto and Philly - proud franchises with big money - and Edmonton, Buffalo and Arizona - two proud franchises who tried the draft rebuild like Arizona and are still waiting...and waiting.... Perspective is that the Bruins have given themselves a better chance to win year after year after year, but the alchemy to be that team that pulls it off is very, very difficult to find. Most of the league would love to trade places with the Bruins.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 17, 2023 14:25:18 GMT
Get some perspective people. Stop seeing the hockey universe, in the same wide eyed narrative you saw Adam West in. Nobody is arguing the fact they shit themselves. And they've shit themselves multiple times. And yes, you only get so many cracks at the big prize,,,then you probably decline for a while then start back up the ladder. It's frustrating. Perspective. That's a great idea. Since the first expansion, the Bruins are 3-7 in 10 Finals appearances. Ouch. In that time, the Bruins have had 100 more regular season wins than any other team. They have 200 more points. They have almost 500 more goals than Montreal in second, the best goals for per game and the second best goals against per game (Montreal beats them 2.83 to 2.86) if you take out the recent expansion teams who didn't have to live through the go-go 70s and 80s. The Bruins have been the best regular season team over the last 50+ years. That is at least 50% of our frustration as fans - best regular season team; can't close the deal. But it's not like they haven't been good in the playoffs. No franchise has played more playoff games. Only Montreal has more playoff wins, and so logically no team has more goals for than the Bruins. They simply lost series for a whole host of reasons that mostly reflect the difference between measuring quality as a consistent level of excellence over a sustained period vs. having the highest ceiling possible and being able to reach it consistently over short periods. But there are no trophies for best franchise over 50+ years. All the trophies are for seasons, and in many of the individual seasons where the Bruins have been obvious contenders, one of the NHL's greatest dynasties has also been in play. The loss to rookie Dryden aside, the 5 straight Canadiens of the late 70s can credibly claim to be the best team of all time. If they hadn't been there, the Bruins might have won two or three Cups in that era with Park and Cheevers and Ratelle and Middleton. Then in the early 80s, it was the Islanders - a baton pass with no windows in between. They were still a good team then, with 96 then 110 then 104 point seasons. Then they took a bit of a step back while the Islanders passed the baton to the Gretzky Oilers, who then won 5 of the next 7...including two over the resurgent Bruins. Good reason to think that if the Oilers had stumbled in either 1988 or 1990 that the Bruins win at least one of those series. So from 1975 to 1990, three franchises won the Cup every year except for 1989 when Calgary finally broke through with Gretzky in LA. Everyone else got to watch for 16 saesons. Philly got to share some of the Bruins' pain by making it to the Finals 4 times and losing after beating the Bruins in their first appearance. Push it out to 1994, and you have the best of the Mario years - a short lived dynasty thanks to cancer. Now Chicago has made it three times and lost each time. Minnesota made it twice and lost both times. STL made it three in a row at the beginning of expansion and then nothing. None of the other WHA teams got a sniff. Rangers lost twice, and eventually broke through in 1994 which remains their only win since 1940. Wings didn't make the Finals at all in that era. Leafs...LOL. Those dynasty teams had a higher ceiling than the Bruins teams - and any other team - in those seasons. Not much you can do about that. I think you can make a similar argument about 94 to the lockout, except there were three or four teams that were head and shoulders above the rest of the league in terms of playing the game the way it was played in the 90s. The Devils, the Wings, the Avs and the Stars. And they traded off the Cup for that period. That period coincides with a down period for the Bruins with the exception of a short but disappointing window with JTS. Since the Cap came into play, it's been largely two things: The Crosby Era and Chicago. LA had a short, brilliant run. Three things - the Bolts in the last 5-7 years since they made it and lost to the end of the Hawks in 2015. It's the reality for most of the league that very few teams actually complete the trick. And that's the reality for some very, very good teams along the way. Vancouver's been three times and never won (LOL). San Jose was a dominant team with JTS for nearly a decade - made one Final and lost. In the Cap era, the Bruins have the most regular season wins and one Cup (and two losses in the Finals). Pitt is next (3 Cups, 1 Finals Loss). Then Washington with one Cup, but then Nashville (0-1 in the Finals), SJ, and the Rangers (0-1) before the Bolts. The Wild (no record) and Stars (0-1) come before the Blues (1-0). Carolina won the first Cup of the Cap era, but has never been back. Anaheim won the second and has never been back. They're 12 and 11 in regular season wins. Detroit rode the previous generation's stars to a 1-1 record early in the era, but has been awful for 15 years. Colorado won last year after a long period of frustration as one of the worst teams in the league. LA has two Cups but are 19th in regular season performance over the last 20 years. No one else has won. Most of the league, including Montreal and Toronto and Philly - proud franchises with big money - and Edmonton, Buffalo and Arizona - two proud franchises who tried the draft rebuild like Arizona and are still waiting...and waiting.... Perspective is that the Bruins have given themselves a better chance to win year after year after year, but the alchemy to be that team that pulls it off is very, very difficult to find. Most of the league would love to trade places with the Bruins. I was at a winery and ran into a Hawks fan (fuck can't get away from those Chicago hosers)....but you know he agreed with me that it's better to be a B's fan. It comes down to winning every year--winning in the sense that the B's are always competitive, always 100 points or more for the most part--really incredibly consistent despite some changeovers in rosters, goalie changes, youth coming in, veterans/free agents going out...the B's simply are more a team that as a fan you appreciate the "chase" even if the end result isn't a Cup....it's incredibly hard to win the Cup...multiple Cups like Hawks did even more incredible...then you add this part in--what if you win the Cups like ChiTown then you fall on hard times and then you become kind of a joke the last few years? I can tell you this if this happened in to the Old Towne team, you would see fire this, trade that and crucify everyone including nightly booing as the team went off after a NHL regular season loss....the B's fans wouldn't tolerate it and I think it's a driving factor in how the B's refuse to let the Cap, allow for PB,DK,TR to come back or do what they want on their own time tables (and in return get these sweet late-career salaries that few players ever would do for their home team)....bottom line, B's hockey just is a better product as book's stats tell you---that the B's can't "finish" is unfortunately the down side of all of this. So what? It's just not that easy to win the Cup.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 17, 2023 14:26:27 GMT
I'm sure Foligno will instill leadership for the Hawks...like he did for the B's...cough.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 17, 2023 16:27:40 GMT
If they can get Swayman, Frederic signed for cheap and if Bergy comes back they will be fine Would I be more happy with Sheifele or Lindholm at center heading into this upcoming season ? Yup Bergeron, Zacha, Coyle and whomever gets the 4th line. Fine with Brown, Geekie or Frederic being the 4th line center.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 17, 2023 16:52:00 GMT
If they can get Swayman, Frederic signed for cheap and if Bergy comes back they will be fine Would I be more happy with Sheifele or Lindholm at center heading into this upcoming season ? Yup Bergeron, Zacha, Coyle and whomever gets the 4th line. Fine with Brown, Geekie or Frederic being the 4th line center. Brown is awful. 4th line should be Geekie between Lucic and Greer.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Jul 17, 2023 16:59:29 GMT
I’ll be happy just to see the B’S make the playoffs and take it from there….
Let them spoil someone else’s party this year….
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Post by dannycater on Jul 17, 2023 17:00:29 GMT
Would I be more happy with Sheifele or Lindholm at center heading into this upcoming season ? Yup Bergeron, Zacha, Coyle and whomever gets the 4th line. Fine with Brown, Geekie or Frederic being the 4th line center. Brown is awful. 4th line should be Geekie between Lucic and Greer. I was not a Greer fan and then those last 5 games he played...I was so impressed. He acted pretty much as enforcer who defended his teammates...a trait we need more of...he played his ass off and he did some really good things...and then when the B's needed something to change those last 3 games v. Florida, not once did Monty feel the need to insert him. So would love a Geekie-Lucic-Greer line...it would be a real asset to have those 3 guys (or Fredric if they sign him as an alternative center), but certainly Lootch-Greer would be a hard-working 4th line for sure. Go B's!
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Post by stevegm on Jul 17, 2023 17:05:48 GMT
Perspective. That's a great idea. Since the first expansion, the Bruins are 3-7 in 10 Finals appearances. Ouch. In that time, the Bruins have had 100 more regular season wins than any other team. They have 200 more points. They have almost 500 more goals than Montreal in second, the best goals for per game and the second best goals against per game (Montreal beats them 2.83 to 2.86) if you take out the recent expansion teams who didn't have to live through the go-go 70s and 80s. The Bruins have been the best regular season team over the last 50+ years. That is at least 50% of our frustration as fans - best regular season team; can't close the deal. But it's not like they haven't been good in the playoffs. No franchise has played more playoff games. Only Montreal has more playoff wins, and so logically no team has more goals for than the Bruins. They simply lost series for a whole host of reasons that mostly reflect the difference between measuring quality as a consistent level of excellence over a sustained period vs. having the highest ceiling possible and being able to reach it consistently over short periods. But there are no trophies for best franchise over 50+ years. All the trophies are for seasons, and in many of the individual seasons where the Bruins have been obvious contenders, one of the NHL's greatest dynasties has also been in play. The loss to rookie Dryden aside, the 5 straight Canadiens of the late 70s can credibly claim to be the best team of all time. If they hadn't been there, the Bruins might have won two or three Cups in that era with Park and Cheevers and Ratelle and Middleton. Then in the early 80s, it was the Islanders - a baton pass with no windows in between. They were still a good team then, with 96 then 110 then 104 point seasons. Then they took a bit of a step back while the Islanders passed the baton to the Gretzky Oilers, who then won 5 of the next 7...including two over the resurgent Bruins. Good reason to think that if the Oilers had stumbled in either 1988 or 1990 that the Bruins win at least one of those series. So from 1975 to 1990, three franchises won the Cup every year except for 1989 when Calgary finally broke through with Gretzky in LA. Everyone else got to watch for 16 saesons. Philly got to share some of the Bruins' pain by making it to the Finals 4 times and losing after beating the Bruins in their first appearance. Push it out to 1994, and you have the best of the Mario years - a short lived dynasty thanks to cancer. Now Chicago has made it three times and lost each time. Minnesota made it twice and lost both times. STL made it three in a row at the beginning of expansion and then nothing. None of the other WHA teams got a sniff. Rangers lost twice, and eventually broke through in 1994 which remains their only win since 1940. Wings didn't make the Finals at all in that era. Leafs...LOL. Those dynasty teams had a higher ceiling than the Bruins teams - and any other team - in those seasons. Not much you can do about that. I think you can make a similar argument about 94 to the lockout, except there were three or four teams that were head and shoulders above the rest of the league in terms of playing the game the way it was played in the 90s. The Devils, the Wings, the Avs and the Stars. And they traded off the Cup for that period. That period coincides with a down period for the Bruins with the exception of a short but disappointing window with JTS. Since the Cap came into play, it's been largely two things: The Crosby Era and Chicago. LA had a short, brilliant run. Three things - the Bolts in the last 5-7 years since they made it and lost to the end of the Hawks in 2015. It's the reality for most of the league that very few teams actually complete the trick. And that's the reality for some very, very good teams along the way. Vancouver's been three times and never won (LOL). San Jose was a dominant team with JTS for nearly a decade - made one Final and lost. In the Cap era, the Bruins have the most regular season wins and one Cup (and two losses in the Finals). Pitt is next (3 Cups, 1 Finals Loss). Then Washington with one Cup, but then Nashville (0-1 in the Finals), SJ, and the Rangers (0-1) before the Bolts. The Wild (no record) and Stars (0-1) come before the Blues (1-0). Carolina won the first Cup of the Cap era, but has never been back. Anaheim won the second and has never been back. They're 12 and 11 in regular season wins. Detroit rode the previous generation's stars to a 1-1 record early in the era, but has been awful for 15 years. Colorado won last year after a long period of frustration as one of the worst teams in the league. LA has two Cups but are 19th in regular season performance over the last 20 years. No one else has won. Most of the league, including Montreal and Toronto and Philly - proud franchises with big money - and Edmonton, Buffalo and Arizona - two proud franchises who tried the draft rebuild like Arizona and are still waiting...and waiting.... Perspective is that the Bruins have given themselves a better chance to win year after year after year, but the alchemy to be that team that pulls it off is very, very difficult to find. Most of the league would love to trade places with the Bruins. I was at a winery and ran into a Hawks fan (fuck can't get away from those Chicago hosers)....but you know he agreed with me that it's better to be a B's fan. It comes down to winning every year--winning in the sense that the B's are always competitive, always 100 points or more for the most part--really incredibly consistent despite some changeovers in rosters, goalie changes, youth coming in, veterans/free agents going out...the B's simply are more a team that as a fan you appreciate the "chase" even if the end result isn't a Cup....it's incredibly hard to win the Cup...multiple Cups like Hawks did even more incredible...then you add this part in--what if you win the Cups like ChiTown then you fall on hard times and then you become kind of a joke the last few years? I can tell you this if this happened in to the Old Towne team, you would see fire this, trade that and crucify everyone including nightly booing as the team went off after a NHL regular season loss....the B's fans wouldn't tolerate it and I think it's a driving factor in how the B's refuse to let the Cap, allow for PB,DK,TR to come back or do what they want on their own time tables (and in return get these sweet late-career salaries that few players ever would do for their home team)....bottom line, B's hockey just is a better product as book's stats tell you---that the B's can't "finish" is unfortunately the down side of all of this. So what? It's just not that easy to win the Cup. I figured you spent a lot of time at the whinery
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Post by dannycater on Jul 17, 2023 17:16:06 GMT
I was at a winery and ran into a Hawks fan (fuck can't get away from those Chicago hosers)....but you know he agreed with me that it's better to be a B's fan. It comes down to winning every year--winning in the sense that the B's are always competitive, always 100 points or more for the most part--really incredibly consistent despite some changeovers in rosters, goalie changes, youth coming in, veterans/free agents going out...the B's simply are more a team that as a fan you appreciate the "chase" even if the end result isn't a Cup....it's incredibly hard to win the Cup...multiple Cups like Hawks did even more incredible...then you add this part in--what if you win the Cups like ChiTown then you fall on hard times and then you become kind of a joke the last few years? I can tell you this if this happened in to the Old Towne team, you would see fire this, trade that and crucify everyone including nightly booing as the team went off after a NHL regular season loss....the B's fans wouldn't tolerate it and I think it's a driving factor in how the B's refuse to let the Cap, allow for PB,DK,TR to come back or do what they want on their own time tables (and in return get these sweet late-career salaries that few players ever would do for their home team)....bottom line, B's hockey just is a better product as book's stats tell you---that the B's can't "finish" is unfortunately the down side of all of this. So what? It's just not that easy to win the Cup. I figured you spent a lot of time at the whinery I'm not even the one who has whined at all about the B's in 22-23...I enjoyed the entire regular season...great memories for me.
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