|
Post by stevegm on Jul 26, 2023 21:38:32 GMT
youre right. we don't really know the "person" either is.........youre also wrong. Gordie was much better at hockey Okay, Johnny Hockey. Howe was better and Bergeron is just some guy. Right. Howe was great in his generation. Bergeron would have been sensational in that generation. I'm not going there, but if you're putting #37 on the same parallel as #9, you don't understand NHL hockey very well. Stick to the pom poms.
|
|
|
Post by dannycater on Jul 26, 2023 21:45:46 GMT
Okay, Johnny Hockey. Howe was better and Bergeron is just some guy. Right. Howe was great in his generation. Bergeron would have been sensational in that generation. I'm not going there, but if you're putting #37 on the same parallel as #9, you don't understand NHL hockey very well. Stick to the pom poms. 6-time Selke winner, maybe the best faceoff man in NHL history, played in the most fast-paced, talented era in NHL hockey...I understand NHL quite well. Gordie was a great player too, and I have the right to put #37 on that parallel.
|
|
|
Post by dannycater on Jul 26, 2023 21:48:01 GMT
Yes, book, he was fantastic player in a high point, every one scored 50 goal and 100 point league--WHA...I would have scored 50 in the WHA where defense took a holiday. I met him, the guy is a Golden God--but so is Bergeron and using Gordie and Johnny Buyck very long careers to discount 19 years by PB is fucking idiotic....also, you can't read very well...I said "For stevegm".... I'm not discounting his 19 years .... cuz it means dik all. lots of greats played longer, I just gave a couple examples, tenure is a poor measuring stick so all the players that stuck around for their 20th year, or 21st or longer...deserve a ton more gratitude than those that played 19? it means very little from a big picture perspective. You used Bucyk/Howe as examples of what? wanting it more for a longer period? Maybe they needed the money, who knows. I don't know. I don't understand why you discredit Bergeron. There is no fucking reason to do so. None. He retired and you should respect that he was a great player. A Hall of Famer. His number going up to the rafters.
|
|
|
Post by mdsizzle on Jul 26, 2023 22:44:16 GMT
Langebrunner and Sweeney are going to want to see how Poitras handles the pounding in the AHL. Studnicka was good for the PBruins. Beecher would get a shot before Poitras. Unless next year Poitras just tears up the AHL 1st 20 games. I want Beecher to get a shot this year. Maybe it's out of camp and maybe it's a callup, but I see no real value in giving too much time to Patrick Brown or some other 27 yr old journeyman unless you've given Beecher a chance to try. That is crap. Sorry let me change my setting... Ya I actually agree completely there. Last year was the year to be the team to take it all... Not even close... This already seems more of a bridge year, bergy is out, we lost all our great deadline additions, signing warm bodies that will accept close to league minimum, bergy retired, who knows about DK.. No first round picks.. We'll... Fuck... We can't do any worse in the playoffs then last year... Let the kids play.
|
|
|
Post by mdsizzle on Jul 26, 2023 22:45:30 GMT
I'm not discounting his 19 years .... cuz it means dik all. lots of greats played longer, I just gave a couple examples, tenure is a poor measuring stick so all the players that stuck around for their 20th year, or 21st or longer...deserve a ton more gratitude than those that played 19? it means very little from a big picture perspective. You used Bucyk/Howe as examples of what? wanting it more for a longer period? Maybe they needed the money, who knows. I don't know. I don't understand why you discredit Bergeron. There is no fucking reason to do so. None. He retired and you should respect that he was a great player. A Hall of Famer. His number going up to the rafters. Get a room you two.. Cripes.
|
|
|
Post by bobruins on Jul 27, 2023 0:35:07 GMT
I'm with Steve on this......it's like Jesus he did his thing for only 33 years.....and eventhough he resurected....he retired to heaven.....I am sure he could have done his thing longer.....
|
|
|
Post by The OC on Jul 27, 2023 0:40:27 GMT
I'm with Steve on this......it's like Jesus he did his thing for only 33 years.....and eventhough he resurected....he retired to heaven.....I am sure he could have done his thing longer..... I always enjoy hearing about Jesus from someone who walked the world with him.
|
|
|
Post by dannycater on Jul 27, 2023 1:10:37 GMT
Never meant this to be Howe v. Bergeron, this is completely off topic to Bergeron retiring with grace but getting criticized by stevegm. That's what happened.
|
|
|
Post by dannycater on Jul 27, 2023 1:18:30 GMT
I'm with Steve on this......it's like Jesus he did his thing for only 33 years.....and eventhough he resurected....he retired to heaven.....I am sure he could have done his thing longer..... Not sure about this but I think someone actually "retired" Jesus, who just is not the player that Howe or Bergeron was. Each could outskate him, sure he could walk on water, but this is ice and oh yeah, skill sets of turning water into wine doesn't quite translate to making a good pass or taking a faceoff. Unlike Howe, he refused to fight. Jesus was soft.
|
|
|
Post by The OC on Jul 27, 2023 1:49:39 GMT
I'm with Steve on this......it's like Jesus he did his thing for only 33 years.....and eventhough he resurected....he retired to heaven.....I am sure he could have done his thing longer..... Not sure about this but I think someone actually "retired" Jesus, who just is not the player that Howe or Bergeron was. Each could outskate him, sure he could walk on water, but this is ice and oh yeah, skill sets of turning water into wine doesn't quite translate to making a good pass or taking a faceoff. Unlike Howe, he refused to fight. Jesus was soft. Ultimate team player though. Would literally die for his teammates.
|
|
|
Post by dannycater on Jul 27, 2023 2:26:36 GMT
Not sure about this but I think someone actually "retired" Jesus, who just is not the player that Howe or Bergeron was. Each could outskate him, sure he could walk on water, but this is ice and oh yeah, skill sets of turning water into wine doesn't quite translate to making a good pass or taking a faceoff. Unlike Howe, he refused to fight. Jesus was soft. Ultimate team player though. Would literally die for his teammates. He would, but I'm sure if he had just stuck around longer in his prime, he wouldn't have let his teammates down in the first place.
|
|
|
Post by dezaruchi on Jul 27, 2023 4:53:45 GMT
I'm surprised anyone could lose even an ounce respect for a guy who is choosing to put his efforts into being a better husband and father after 19 fucking years. Lastly, I really enjoy Batman comics. The Dark Knight series is awesome. I guess at my age dez...I don't consider "19 fucking years" is as important as still being a great player. I don't think you need to give up your job, in order to be a "better husband and father". they get way more holidays than I ever did, and get more time to spend with their families than I ever did. respect? I don't know patrice bergeron. I just know the part he plays in this fantasy I follow. I'm sure he's a wonderful human, but I have no business speaking to that, cuz i have no insight. I respect he's earned choices, and they're his to decide upon. I have great respect for the way he's carried himself and played the game. He's a certain HOFer, and his number will rightfully be retired. He's one of the greatest Bruins ever, but imo, he tired of the dream before most in that same category, and i'm not going to call that a positive. bookboy spoke to the "awareness" thing. personally, I hate that. most agree with book, that the athlete who goes out on top somehow protects and elevates his legacy. I think it's an egotistical crock. gordie howe, johnny bucyk, tons of others, they didn't tarnish their brand by staying, they exhibited passion for the game in my eyes. they understood their blessings, and fought and scratched for the opportunity to compete. guess I don't know how anyone could lose "evan an ounce of respect for that" hope all is well in the port city. cheers I just feel like he gave more to his team over the years than 99% of NHL players. I feel like it's been ages since there were concerns that he may never play again as we saw with Marc Savard. Then I think about him supposedly playing games with cracked ribs. I'm very disappointed that he chose retirement but I also feel like he played much longer than most players would have been willing to do. Thanks for the well wishes buddy and I'm hoping all is well with you and yours too. Cheers.
|
|
|
Post by bruins6 on Jul 27, 2023 12:48:00 GMT
Congratulations Patrice!!! Totally understand and the physical aspect can takes its toll. Sucks no more Bergeron. He was a joy to have. Lucky Bird, Bourque and Bergeron had long careers. Favorite Bruin of all time - got to meet him as I mentioned at the time class on and off the ice. the 2011 Bruins team was special - rough road ahead to replace him
|
|
|
Post by chappy28 on Jul 27, 2023 13:10:24 GMT
conflicted on this. so many, virtually all, love the game so much...they stay as long as possible. I respect that. doing it on your terms? not so much. Don't really see the valor in that logic. other than stroking ones own sense of power...whats the upside? i don't appreciate waste either. 37 wasn't some hanger-on, looking to make enough to take himself from financially comfortable...to filthy rich. Bergeron was still an elite hockey player by any sensible standard. so many would run over grandma to have the opportunity, he's passing on. but it's also his choice, not anyone elses. screw the fans, they aren't entitled to another season of Bergy. all in all, i've lost a little respect for 37 though. since he's plenty good enough, imo, there should be a brighter fire burning than last year at this time. he's pissing on the Gods, that bestowed upon him, the amazing opportunity to still be doing this, at the highest level. something the locals may be interested in too. I think tuuka makes his home in boston, as does chara, bourque, Orr. many of the icons have, and it says something bigger than their press releases about the community. will PB hang around? always been a big 37 fan, but there are others in the recent era, that are equals to me. DK, probably been my #1 over the last 20 years, simply because he always got more criticism. Like Patrice, I admired his understated persona. chara was right there as an equal too, because of his determination. for me, it was always something above the game, that cemented the player attachment for me. having said all that, I completely understood DK's decision to go home. Made so much sense to me, as it was the opposite of selfish. I love that he came back for peanuts. I really didn't expect that. but he's plenty good enough right now too....and if....like Bergeron...decides another 6 months of this entitled dream-world, is more bother than the millions are worth......I'll lose some respect for him too. He'll be pissing on the Gods also. Chara turned his life, completely inside out...for the chance to "competitively"...play competitive hockey at the highest level. Despite the easy route.... of armchairing his way out(he certainly could have got 2 more years in with the Bruins, had he been content being the designated 7th D) I absolutely admire that determination, and willingness to take the hard route. If he comes back...DK will be the go-to C. Should be lots to get excited about there. If he doesn't....? There isn't much question about the PB, DK era. the Bruins have been about the best team in the league overall, but they've under delivered when it comes to the top prize. Too many players, too interested in "their own terms"....their entitled lives, could be "a" reason. maybe not. sad day. Only reason I lose respect is the never-ending uncertainty. If he was going to retire, he should have decided before the draft so Sweeney could be free to make any moves that may have presented themselves. DK too for that matter. This whole sitting on the fence for the entire off-season thing is maddening and I don't understand why Sweeney lets it happen. But to that point, I put it on Sweeney not on the players so much. He's the GM, it's his job to build the team and manage the roster. He has the ability to set the terms and he chose not to and two summers in a row he's been stuck in limbo not knowing what his roster would look like until August. It worked out in his favor last year, this year not so much. I hope DK comes back now. I think it's a good opportunity for him to have a career year and it keeps the Bruins VERY competitive. He's not Bergy defensively, but he's as good or better offensively when he's playing his game. DK-Zacha-Coyle down the middle is not too shabby. DK-Pasta-Marchand as a first line is still up there with the top lines in the league
|
|
|
Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 27, 2023 13:14:26 GMT
Not sure about this but I think someone actually "retired" Jesus, who just is not the player that Howe or Bergeron was. Each could outskate him, sure he could walk on water, but this is ice and oh yeah, skill sets of turning water into wine doesn't quite translate to making a good pass or taking a faceoff. Unlike Howe, he refused to fight. Jesus was soft. Ultimate team player though. Would literally die for his teammates. But I heard he had a problem with his Right Wing Judas. Wouldn't pass to him after their last supper. Apparently JC felt betrayed by the quality of the whine. Judas was offended that JC called his whine "Vinegar". This is how the Mighty Romans took advantage of a dysfunctional locker room back in the day.
|
|
|
Post by chappy28 on Jul 27, 2023 13:15:00 GMT
I want Beecher to get a shot this year. Maybe it's out of camp and maybe it's a callup, but I see no real value in giving too much time to Patrick Brown or some other 27 yr old journeyman unless you've given Beecher a chance to try. That is crap. Sorry let me change my setting... Ya I actually agree completely there. Last year was the year to be the team to take it all... Not even close... This already seems more of a bridge year, bergy is out, we lost all our great deadline additions, signing warm bodies that will accept close to league minimum, bergy retired, who knows about DK.. No first round picks.. We'll... Fuck... We can't do any worse in the playoffs then last year... Let the kids play. The Beecher story has been a never ending wait for the guy to figure out how to use his size and speed combo to actually produce offense. Three years in Michigan didn't do it. His time in Providence hasn't done it. So the question is whether they think another year in Providence will help him get over the hump to bring some f'in offense like a first rounder with that toolkit supposedly should be able to do. If they've given up on his offensive game and think he is what he is, then sure bring him up now and let him be a career 4th liner. If they think he's close to figuring out how to create some offense, then you want to leave him in Providence so he can figure that out, because he sure isn't the kind of guy to take risks at the NHL level.
|
|
|
Post by The OC on Jul 27, 2023 13:21:19 GMT
Ultimate team player though. Would literally die for his teammates. He would, but I'm sure if he had just stuck around longer in his prime, he wouldn't have let his teammates down in the first place. Kinda like your boy Krejci though, he did return in time...
|
|
|
Post by The OC on Jul 27, 2023 13:22:53 GMT
Ultimate team player though. Would literally die for his teammates. But I heard he had a problem with his Right Wing Judas. Wouldn't pass to him after their last supper. Apparently JC felt betrayed by the quality of the whine. Judas was offended that JC called his whine "Vinegar". This is how the Mighty Romans took advantage of a dysfunctional locker room back in the day. Romans made the mistake of using it as bulletin board material though. Ended up crushing morale and bringing the whole organization down.
|
|
|
Post by dannycater on Jul 27, 2023 14:15:20 GMT
But I heard he had a problem with his Right Wing Judas. Wouldn't pass to him after their last supper. Apparently JC felt betrayed by the quality of the whine. Judas was offended that JC called his whine "Vinegar". This is how the Mighty Romans took advantage of a dysfunctional locker room back in the day. Romans made the mistake of using it as bulletin board material though. Ended up crushing morale and bringing the whole organization down. Pontius Tortapilate didn't help with his complete benching of the Roman first guard. He used 3rd liners to crucify the guy...never trusted his best players. "I didn't care for our supposed First Guard, mailed it in when we tortured the Syrians. Can't trust them. This Jesus guy, don't forget his father was pretty damn good player in his day. You really think I'm gonna let Kevin Hayes get that job done on the back-end?"
|
|
|
Post by stevegm on Jul 27, 2023 15:22:48 GMT
conflicted on this. so many, virtually all, love the game so much...they stay as long as possible. I respect that. doing it on your terms? not so much. Don't really see the valor in that logic. other than stroking ones own sense of power...whats the upside? i don't appreciate waste either. 37 wasn't some hanger-on, looking to make enough to take himself from financially comfortable...to filthy rich. Bergeron was still an elite hockey player by any sensible standard. so many would run over grandma to have the opportunity, he's passing on. but it's also his choice, not anyone elses. screw the fans, they aren't entitled to another season of Bergy. all in all, i've lost a little respect for 37 though. since he's plenty good enough, imo, there should be a brighter fire burning than last year at this time. he's pissing on the Gods, that bestowed upon him, the amazing opportunity to still be doing this, at the highest level. something the locals may be interested in too. I think tuuka makes his home in boston, as does chara, bourque, Orr. many of the icons have, and it says something bigger than their press releases about the community. will PB hang around? always been a big 37 fan, but there are others in the recent era, that are equals to me. DK, probably been my #1 over the last 20 years, simply because he always got more criticism. Like Patrice, I admired his understated persona. chara was right there as an equal too, because of his determination. for me, it was always something above the game, that cemented the player attachment for me. having said all that, I completely understood DK's decision to go home. Made so much sense to me, as it was the opposite of selfish. I love that he came back for peanuts. I really didn't expect that. but he's plenty good enough right now too....and if....like Bergeron...decides another 6 months of this entitled dream-world, is more bother than the millions are worth......I'll lose some respect for him too. He'll be pissing on the Gods also. Chara turned his life, completely inside out...for the chance to "competitively"...play competitive hockey at the highest level. Despite the easy route.... of armchairing his way out(he certainly could have got 2 more years in with the Bruins, had he been content being the designated 7th D) I absolutely admire that determination, and willingness to take the hard route. If he comes back...DK will be the go-to C. Should be lots to get excited about there. If he doesn't....? There isn't much question about the PB, DK era. the Bruins have been about the best team in the league overall, but they've under delivered when it comes to the top prize. Too many players, too interested in "their own terms"....their entitled lives, could be "a" reason. maybe not. sad day. Only reason I lose respect is the never-ending uncertainty. If he was going to retire, he should have decided before the draft so Sweeney could be free to make any moves that may have presented themselves. DK too for that matter. This whole sitting on the fence for the entire off-season thing is maddening and I don't understand why Sweeney lets it happen. But to that point, I put it on Sweeney not on the players so much. He's the GM, it's his job to build the team and manage the roster. He has the ability to set the terms and he chose not to and two summers in a row he's been stuck in limbo not knowing what his roster would look like until August. It worked out in his favor last year, this year not so much. I hope DK comes back now. I think it's a good opportunity for him to have a career year and it keeps the Bruins VERY competitive. He's not Bergy defensively, but he's as good or better offensively when he's playing his game. DK-Zacha-Coyle down the middle is not too shabby. DK-Pasta-Marchand as a first line is still up there with the top lines in the league To be clear chappy, and everyone else, I didn't lose respect. have great respect for him as a player. He's been legendary in lots of ways. I don't know how I could have been more complimentary without completely ignoring the fact he isn't perfect, which danny seems personally threatened by. it's all here on this thread. and it's clear. just that there are other scenarios in which I would have greater admiration for. "going out at the top of ones game" doesn't resonate with me. some admire that, I don't. dangling the marketplace for 2 off-seasons, because of your celebrity.... doesn't resonate with me.(if you weren't a high end player...still....you wouldn't be able to get away with that kind of tease) i watched the presser. I listened closely. I watched closely. I see some contradiction, and that's ok. but you see a lot of high end guys having trouble at the end. getting emotional. that kinda resonates more than someone whose cool and bright eyed and clear. Choosing not to play NHL hockey, when you're one of the best on the planet...still...is just not something I feel...should be heartwarming to this rabid hockey fan. Time to "move to the next chapter", "do different things"..."retire" at 38...they simply don't build on the adoration from my end. they don't take away much either. unfortuantely, some can't process a line which isn't that fine. I never subscribed to Saint Bobby, so I don't get on the Saint Anybody else bandwagon either. If I was Bergerons father, or uncle, or trusted friend, I'd tell him that he's earned the right to do whatever he wants, and screw anyone who says otherwise. then I'd say exactly what I said here. And I'd tell him to listen to as many different scenario's and opinions...from his trusted inner circle as possible. Then make up his own mind. I have no doubt, some of those, have said basically what I have, and advised him on the blessing he still has access to, and he needs to think long and hard about declining that. Lots there for his kids to share, and remember forever, if he plays another year or so. Others will look at health. "you could get hurt". Others will talk about money and financial security dictating the time to pull the plug. and some will sing the praises as to all the things he'd be able to do between mid Sept, and May, that he can't do know. I didn't lose any appreciable respect. It's simply a choice he made, that doesn't add any for me. Same as Ray Bourque. He's from here, a Mt Rushmore Bruin imo. did it elevate his stock in my eyes by wanting to go to Philly? No. Was I thrilled he won a cup in colorado? not really. I woulda cheered for the Bruins instead. did I respect his desire to chase a cup?. absolutely. Do I disrespect Ray cuz he left Boston? of course not. do I disrespect him for getting tight downtown? no. he's a hockey player, not a God, in my world. To me, this Bergeron thing, is "another" stark reminder.... this is a business, not a passion, as most of us would like to consume it as. Happy Trails Patrice
|
|
|
Post by stevegm on Jul 27, 2023 15:35:31 GMT
I guess at my age dez...I don't consider "19 fucking years" is as important as still being a great player. I don't think you need to give up your job, in order to be a "better husband and father". they get way more holidays than I ever did, and get more time to spend with their families than I ever did. respect? I don't know patrice bergeron. I just know the part he plays in this fantasy I follow. I'm sure he's a wonderful human, but I have no business speaking to that, cuz i have no insight. I respect he's earned choices, and they're his to decide upon. I have great respect for the way he's carried himself and played the game. He's a certain HOFer, and his number will rightfully be retired. He's one of the greatest Bruins ever, but imo, he tired of the dream before most in that same category, and i'm not going to call that a positive. bookboy spoke to the "awareness" thing. personally, I hate that. most agree with book, that the athlete who goes out on top somehow protects and elevates his legacy. I think it's an egotistical crock. gordie howe, johnny bucyk, tons of others, they didn't tarnish their brand by staying, they exhibited passion for the game in my eyes. they understood their blessings, and fought and scratched for the opportunity to compete. guess I don't know how anyone could lose "evan an ounce of respect for that" hope all is well in the port city. cheers I just feel like he gave more to his team over the years than 99% of NHL players. I feel like it's been ages since there were concerns that he may never play again as we saw with Marc Savard. Then I think about him supposedly playing games with cracked ribs. I'm very disappointed that he chose retirement but I also feel like he played much longer than most players would have been willing to do. Thanks for the well wishes buddy and I'm hoping all is well with you and yours too. Cheers. A lot have played with broken bones. They're all friggin machines as far as pain thresholds, but I agree fully, he is this generations poster boy for "given er". His accomplishments far exceed his God given hockey talent imo, and to me...that's what's always made him so special.
|
|
|
Post by asmaha on Jul 27, 2023 15:47:14 GMT
To be clear chappy, and everyone else, I didn't lose respect. have great respect for him as a player. He's been legendary in lots of ways. I don't know how I could have been more complimentary without completely ignoring the fact he isn't perfect, which danny seems personally threatened by. it's all here on this thread. and it's clear. just that there are other scenarios in which I would have greater admiration for. "going out at the top of ones game" doesn't resonate with me. some admire that, I don't. dangling the marketplace for 2 off-seasons, because of your celebrity.... doesn't resonate with me.(if you weren't a high end player...still....you wouldn't be able to get away with that kind of tease) i watched the presser. I listened closely. I watched closely. I see some contradiction, and that's ok. but you see a lot of high end guys having trouble at the end. getting emotional. that kinda resonates more than someone whose cool and bright eyed and clear. Choosing not to play NHL hockey, when you're one of the best on the planet...still...is just not something I feel...should be heartwarming to this rabid hockey fan. Time to "move to the next chapter", "do different things"..."retire" at 38...they simply don't build on the adoration from my end. they don't take away much either. unfortuantely, some can't process a line which isn't that fine. I never subscribed to Saint Bobby, so I don't get on the Saint Anybody else bandwagon either. If I was Bergerons father, or uncle, or trusted friend, I'd tell him that he's earned the right to do whatever he wants, and screw anyone who says otherwise. then I'd say exactly what I said here. And I'd tell him to listen to as many different scenario's and opinions...from his trusted inner circle as possible. Then make up his own mind. I have no doubt, some of those, have said basically what I have, and advised him on the blessing he still has access to, and he needs to think long and hard about declining that. Lots there for his kids to share, and remember forever, if he plays another year or so. Others will look at health. "you could get hurt". Others will talk about money and financial security dictating the time to pull the plug. and some will sing the praises as to all the things he'd be able to do between mid Sept, and May, that he can't do know. I didn't lose any appreciable respect. It's simply a choice he made, that doesn't add any for me. Same as Ray Bourque. He's from here, a Mt Rushmore Bruin imo. did it elevate his stock in my eyes by wanting to go to Philly? No. Was I thrilled he won a cup in colorado? not really. I woulda cheered for the Bruins instead. did I respect his desire to chase a cup?. absolutely. Do I disrespect Ray cuz he left Boston? of course not. do I disrespect him for getting tight downtown? no. he's a hockey player, not a God, in my world. To me, this Bergeron thing, is "another" stark reminder.... this is a business, not a passion, as most of us would like to consume it as. Happy Trails Patrice How do you account for the player tribute video saying goodbye, shot within days of the playoffs before everyone departed? They knew he was retiring, just like many of us here said. Perhaps Sweens kept the door open, but they knew...
|
|
|
Post by dannycater on Jul 27, 2023 15:49:49 GMT
To be clear chappy, and everyone else, I didn't lose respect. have great respect for him as a player. He's been legendary in lots of ways. I don't know how I could have been more complimentary without completely ignoring the fact he isn't perfect, which danny seems personally threatened by. it's all here on this thread. and it's clear. just that there are other scenarios in which I would have greater admiration for. "going out at the top of ones game" doesn't resonate with me. some admire that, I don't. dangling the marketplace for 2 off-seasons, because of your celebrity.... doesn't resonate with me.(if you weren't a high end player...still....you wouldn't be able to get away with that kind of tease) i watched the presser. I listened closely. I watched closely. I see some contradiction, and that's ok. but you see a lot of high end guys having trouble at the end. getting emotional. that kinda resonates more than someone whose cool and bright eyed and clear. Choosing not to play NHL hockey, when you're one of the best on the planet...still...is just not something I feel...should be heartwarming to this rabid hockey fan. Time to "move to the next chapter", "do different things"..."retire" at 38...they simply don't build on the adoration from my end. they don't take away much either. unfortuantely, some can't process a line which isn't that fine. I never subscribed to Saint Bobby, so I don't get on the Saint Anybody else bandwagon either. If I was Bergerons father, or uncle, or trusted friend, I'd tell him that he's earned the right to do whatever he wants, and screw anyone who says otherwise. then I'd say exactly what I said here. And I'd tell him to listen to as many different scenario's and opinions...from his trusted inner circle as possible. Then make up his own mind. I have no doubt, some of those, have said basically what I have, and advised him on the blessing he still has access to, and he needs to think long and hard about declining that. Lots there for his kids to share, and remember forever, if he plays another year or so. Others will look at health. "you could get hurt". Others will talk about money and financial security dictating the time to pull the plug. and some will sing the praises as to all the things he'd be able to do between mid Sept, and May, that he can't do know. I didn't lose any appreciable respect. It's simply a choice he made, that doesn't add any for me. Same as Ray Bourque. He's from here, a Mt Rushmore Bruin imo. did it elevate his stock in my eyes by wanting to go to Philly? No. Was I thrilled he won a cup in colorado? not really. I woulda cheered for the Bruins instead. did I respect his desire to chase a cup?. absolutely. Do I disrespect Ray cuz he left Boston? of course not. do I disrespect him for getting tight downtown? no. he's a hockey player, not a God, in my world. To me, this Bergeron thing, is "another" stark reminder.... this is a business, not a passion, as most of us would like to consume it as. Happy Trails Patrice How do you account for the player tribute video saying goodbye, shot within days of the playoffs before everyone departed? They knew he was retiring, just like many of us here said. Perhaps Sweens kept the door open, but they knew... all the tributes during the exit interviews...clear.
|
|
|
Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 27, 2023 16:10:37 GMT
But I heard he had a problem with his Right Wing Judas. Wouldn't pass to him after their last supper. Apparently JC felt betrayed by the quality of the whine. Judas was offended that JC called his whine "Vinegar". This is how the Mighty Romans took advantage of a dysfunctional locker room back in the day. Romans made the mistake of using it as bulletin board material though. Ended up crushing morale and bringing the whole organization down. Caligula ended up playing Ole Ole Ole, on the violin, at his last Rome burning orgy. Franchise folded and moved to Britannia.
|
|
|
Post by schlich on Jul 27, 2023 16:22:03 GMT
Romans made the mistake of using it as bulletin board material though. Ended up crushing morale and bringing the whole organization down. Pontius Tortapilate didn't help with his complete benching of the Roman first guard. He used 3rd liners to crucify the guy...never trusted his best players. "I didn't care for our supposed First Guard, mailed it in when we tortured the Syrians. Can't trust them. This Jesus guy, don't forget his father was pretty damn good player in his day. You really think I'm gonna let Kevin Hayes get that job done on the back-end?" Pontus benched those guys on advice from his asst coach - Bigus Dickus
|
|