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Post by The OC on Jul 27, 2023 13:41:51 GMT
PLD is the anti-Bergeron: Poor attitude, privileged high pick, poor defensively, weak on faceoffs, never kills penalties, traded twice. He's 25 and hit his peak so far at 63pts while being fed PP minutes and spending a lot of time on LW with better players. If you're looking for a rock #1C to build your team around, he's not it. People shit all over Eichel too... Change of scenery and his name is on the cup and he was in the Conn Smyth debate. Sometimes a change of scenery and circumstance can remedy quite a bit. I'm just saying I like the attributes I can see. Great point on Eichel, a player that I will admit I was wrong about. Wow, it's hard to write that when it happens so rarely. A difference though is there was no question about Jack's talent, only his character and health. He'd already put up 36 goals and was a point/game player for his career when traded. With PLD he's got a career high 28G and 63 points while playing mostly wing and having a questionable all-around game and character. Basically his play and production has been less than Jake DeBrusk. That's not entirely derogatory because Jake has been a real good NHL player, but not elite first-line talent. Is Jake worth $8.5M for 8 years and a switch to center? PLD production would be great coming from a guy with a solid all-around game, less so from a whiney floater.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jul 27, 2023 13:52:21 GMT
People shit all over Eichel too... Change of scenery and his name is on the cup and he was in the Conn Smyth debate. Sometimes a change of scenery and circumstance can remedy quite a bit. I'm just saying I like the attributes I can see. Great point on Eichel, a player that I will admit I was wrong about. Wow, it's hard to write that when it happens so rarely. A difference though is there was no question about Jack's talent, only his character and health. He'd already put up 36 goals and was a point/game player for his career when traded. With PLD he's got a career high 28G and 63 points while playing mostly wing and having a questionable all-around game and character. Basically his play and production has been less than Jake DeBrusk. That's not entirely derogatory because Jake has been a real good NHL player, but not elite first-line talent. Is Jake worth $8.5M for 8 years and a switch to center? PLD production would be great coming from a guy with a solid all-around game, less so from a whiney floater. Haha, I like that one! You're not wrong on Eichel yet, I don't doubt his talent/skill level, but let's see how things play out in a year there when he isn't winning a cup. He came into a good situation, but like I said last year, I can't see him and Cassidy not bumping heads. Time will tell.
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Post by orrespocash on Jul 27, 2023 14:12:38 GMT
Now that PB has officially retired...which way should they go? 1) Wait it out with DK and problem solved if he accepts. 2) Actively seek out a trade for a center and if DK comes back it is an added bonus 3) Go with what you have regardless of whether DK returns or not. 4) Other If Krecji comes back I would still trade Forbert for cap space if possible, try to get another cheap project like Geekie who may pop, and not trade any more top two round picks for the foreseeable future. The fans want to see top quality hockey for the price they pay to sit in the stands, not go all in and get a bad team (due to few young prospects) when the all-in fails IMO.
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Post by davinator on Jul 27, 2023 15:50:19 GMT
Corner the Lindholm market Like they did with sweeneys once upon a time We had 3 Sweeneys too! Tim, Bob and Don...we liked our Swedish defensemen too--Mats Thelin and Michael Thelven... Sure did...which may explain why Yahoo Canada thinks that, "it’s clear that Bob Sweeney will need to pull off GM of the Year-worthy maneuvering to find a Bergeron replacement." LINK
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Post by Lord Markwart on Jul 27, 2023 16:22:38 GMT
Don't forget that Pars Lindholm was also Bruins property at one point. So yes, a new rule should be instituted to collect anyone named Sweeney, Donato, Thornton, Lindholm, or Connor. No coming back, however. I was also psyched the Bruins had Hall and Oates.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 27, 2023 16:35:49 GMT
PLD is the anti-Bergeron: Poor attitude, privileged high pick, poor defensively, weak on faceoffs, never kills penalties, traded twice. He's 25 and hit his peak so far at 63pts while being fed PP minutes and spending a lot of time on LW with better players. If you're looking for a rock #1C to build your team around, he's not it. People shit all over Eichel too... Change of scenery and his name is on the cup and he was in the Conn Smyth debate. Sometimes a change of scenery and circumstance can remedy quite a bit. I'm just saying I like the attributes I can see. You can't argue that. You might want to sneak into the Hall of Fame after all of the players have had their day with the Cup and see if you can't remove it, but his name's on there. And it's true that in the end, you can't teach someone to be a high end talent, but in the right situation, Phat Phil wins rings. He was a vulture this time, but in Pitt, he scored a lot of big goals. I'm sure the Kings are banking on something like that. Personal Lubrication Device (or whatever PLD actually stand for) will be part of 3 deep C group with Kopitar and Danault where the other two are such good two-way players, he'll be insulated in a lot of situations just by virtue of there being better options on the roster than him. He may get to play with either a point/game winger in Fiala, a 40 goal scorer in Kempe, or veteran scorer and former 30 goal guy in Arvidsson, or maybe he plays wing with one of the others or with Byfield, or Byfield plays on his wing. As situations go, it's a pretty sweet deal to know that there are a number of other players carrying a lot of the load while you sit back collect a significant part of the Cap. There will be pressure, I'm sure, but if the Kings are winning, how much pressure will there actually be whether he's performing to his salary or not? Eichel's situation is complicated by his surgery situation, but I feel like it's not quite apples and apples. He was a proven point/game player in Buffalo, but they ring the shame bell for just how bad the teams around him played - not just that the talent was underwhelming. They played badly. His last full year in Buffalo (well, the COVID shortened 70ish game year), Skinner had 23 points, Okposo 19. They were even worse in the COVID stupid division year with Eichel there but also injured. Then he leaves, and Skinner's a 30 goal scorer again, Okposo's a 20 goal guy again.... And of course, he blamed everyone but himself. Cassidy also called Eichel out publicly. It wasn't a simple change of venue and redemption. I don't know that however PLD does in LA is a good indicator of how he might have done in Boston as the defacto #1C. Different pressure, different demands on his game. Personally, it would take a LOT for me to want him in a Bruins uniform after his shameful exit from Columbus. That one shift that was replayed over and over is enough. Watching a player make a spectacle of not trying to make a point to management? Sour. Forever.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 27, 2023 16:36:31 GMT
Don't forget that Pars Lindholm was also Bruins property at one point. So yes, a new rule should be instituted to collect anyone named Sweeney, Donato, Thornton, Lindholm, or Connor. No coming back, however. I was also psyched the Bruins had Hall and Oates. They were hard to handle...like the flame that burns the candle.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 27, 2023 16:37:16 GMT
We had 3 Sweeneys too! Tim, Bob and Don...we liked our Swedish defensemen too--Mats Thelin and Michael Thelven... Sure did...which may explain why Yahoo Canada thinks that, "it’s clear that Bob Sweeney will need to pull off GM of the Year-worthy maneuvering to find a Bergeron replacement." LINKDonny did that. He's hoping Neely will fire Bob if he needs a scapegoat. He's wicked Harvard smart, remember.
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