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Post by Lord Markwart on Jul 25, 2023 15:25:06 GMT
Now that PB has officially retired...which way should they go?
1) Wait it out with DK and problem solved if he accepts. 2) Actively seek out a trade for a center and if DK comes back it is an added bonus 3) Go with what you have regardless of whether DK returns or not. 4) Other
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Post by kelvana33 on Jul 25, 2023 15:39:50 GMT
The only route is to trade for one. They can deal from an area of strength and deal Ullmark. I would target Elias Lindholm, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. I think Edmonton is pretty high on Staurt Skinner though.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jul 25, 2023 18:23:33 GMT
I'm for the trade for a top C and if DK comes back bonus. This has been discussed before in regards to Ullmark but i don't see him waiving his NMC to go to any Canadian team. Also Lindholm has been mentioned as a C to go after and i would agree he'd be perfect but with Markstrom already making big coin the Flamers don't need another tender, maybe a backup because Vladar stinks. I think a trade package centering on DeBrusk would work if Calgary is warm to the thought.
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Post by Lord Markwart on Jul 25, 2023 19:25:53 GMT
I'd oddly be okay with status quo..see what happens in 23-24 and position themselves to get (Matt Dillon) Matthews in Boston. He is a true #1 center unlike Lindholm in Calgary which would be another Zachaesque player. They could still make the playoffs with current roster albeit probably a lower seed and it would really give the Bruins a chance to see and analyze the true impact without PB. They could still add a piece or two at the deadline to go for it while clearing cap room for Matthews next summer. This is a more patient approach and a risk, but does a Lindholm deal (also a risk and commitment) move the needle by giving up current assets like Jake or Ullmark/Sway?
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Post by 50belowzero on Jul 25, 2023 19:40:25 GMT
I'd oddly be okay with status quo..see what happens in 23-24 and position themselves to get (Matt Dillon) Matthews in Boston. He is a true #1 center unlike Lindholm in Calgary which would be another Zachaesque player. They could still make the playoffs with current roster albeit probably a lower seed and it would really give the Bruins a chance to see and analyze the true impact without PB. They could still add a piece or two at the deadline to go for it while clearing cap room for Matthews next summer. This is a more patient approach and a risk, but does a Lindholm deal (also a risk and commitment) move the needle by giving up current assets like Jake or Ullmark/Sway? For this to happen you would have to believe that Nostrils would make it to UFA, i don't think he will. Secondly you would have to believe the B's would pay him what he wants. I think other C's could become available though other than Scheifele and Lindholm.
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Post by The OC on Jul 25, 2023 19:43:00 GMT
Obviously a top center is a priority now. I wouldn't force it though. They went 5-0 without Bergie last year, and 2-0 without DK in the playoffs (albeit with Hall and Bert and Orlov). Wait for the right guy and the right deal. I'm also curious what Geekie can do in a bigger role after being dominant as a 4th linger last year.
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Post by asmaha on Jul 25, 2023 20:03:34 GMT
I hope they don't force it. It was always going to be a downturn of a year no matter what. Unless they really have their eyes set on a particular guy out there as a long-term fit, I'm fine if they just go with what they have, see how they stack up at the deadline, and either make their move then or sell off pieces to be even stronger heading into next offseason. 2024-2025 could be the start of another long run if they don't try to force things this one year.
Time to take their medicine. As long as things are entertaining and the ticket prices come down a bit, it'll still be a fun year to follow. Then let's see what they do with a little more cap space. Unfortunately, a lot of teams will have cap space.
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Post by #4 Bobby Orr! GOAT! on Jul 25, 2023 21:52:06 GMT
Jonathan Toews for $1M
Fuck Lindholm
Trade Grizz
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 26, 2023 1:58:14 GMT
I hope they don't force it. It was always going to be a downturn of a year no matter what. Unless they really have their eyes set on a particular guy out there as a long-term fit, I'm fine if they just go with what they have, see how they stack up at the deadline, and either make their move then or sell off pieces to be even stronger heading into next offseason. 2024-2025 could be the start of another long run if they don't try to force things this one year. Time to take their medicine. As long as things are entertaining and the ticket prices come down a bit, it'll still be a fun year to follow. Then let's see what they do with a little more cap space. Unfortunately, a lot of teams will have cap space. Agree on not forcing it. And the market for the big name Cs will come down because it's gone very quiet.
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Post by moognoates on Jul 26, 2023 3:08:51 GMT
Agree with all as well. I am not forcing anything to try to make something out of this season or save face on the 1st round pick to Detroit. This is a lost season and I am willing to accept it.
The only moves I am making are with the long term in mind and trying to build the next core.
The tricky part is we desperately need a #1 Center. There is a lot of risk just waiting until the UFA period. Legit centers get resigned or traded to a team that won't let them walk. So I think some combo of Ullmark, JDB, Lysell and our 2025 1st needs to be on the table.
I think Matthews and Aho get resigned. Lindholm likely gets traded and signed by whoever trades for him.
Schiefele might be the most interesting. Still good but older with some baggage so might come cheaper and serve as a 3-5 year solution. Then we hopefully either find one in the draft or snag McD or Draisaitl in a few years.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 26, 2023 3:35:52 GMT
I hope they don't force it. It was always going to be a downturn of a year no matter what. Unless they really have their eyes set on a particular guy out there as a long-term fit, I'm fine if they just go with what they have, see how they stack up at the deadline, and either make their move then or sell off pieces to be even stronger heading into next offseason. 2024-2025 could be the start of another long run if they don't try to force things this one year. Time to take their medicine. As long as things are entertaining and the ticket prices come down a bit, it'll still be a fun year to follow. Then let's see what they do with a little more cap space. Unfortunately, a lot of teams will have cap space. Agree on not forcing it. And the market for the big name Cs will come down because it's gone very quiet. Almost seems like everything has become quiet other than the Dubois deal by Kings...It's like teams are simply not going to dish out the money for some premium players like they used to within 30 seconds of the free agent signing period beginning.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 26, 2023 3:36:52 GMT
Zacha is our #1 center right now.
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Post by The OC on Jul 26, 2023 3:43:42 GMT
Zacha is our #1 center right now. Not a bad fit. Presumably he's with Pasta and Lucic or JVR or whoever. I'd like to see them try Geekie with Marchie and JDB. The only Bruins ahead of him in points/minute of play were the Czech line.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 26, 2023 3:45:50 GMT
Geekie I think might end up being a really good player. He just needs a team to give him the minutes.
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Post by The OC on Jul 26, 2023 4:26:24 GMT
Geekie I think might end up being a really good player. He just needs a team to give him the minutes. Size, solid 200-foot game, good on faceoffs, distributes the puck well. I think they'll make a move for a proven #1, but I'd like to see him at least on line 3, and with Marchand would be interesting.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 26, 2023 11:03:45 GMT
Geekie I think might end up being a really good player. He just needs a team to give him the minutes. Ya, I'd like to give him more of an opportunity to be a top 6 guy. There's just nobody out there that interested me as a 1C aside from Pld... Maybe Schefilie but he's getting up there. I'm sick of mortgaging the future for guys that are not really helping the present.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 26, 2023 11:58:39 GMT
Geekie I think might end up being a really good player. He just needs a team to give him the minutes. Ya, I'd like to give him more of an opportunity to be a top 6 guy. There's just nobody out there that interested me as a 1C aside from Pld... Maybe Schefilie but he's getting up there. I'm sick of mortgaging the future for guys that are not really helping the present. I very luke warm on a trade for a proven #1. Lindholm has the right skill set to fit in but as someone else said, he's another Zacha. He was a point per game player playing with Johnny Cabbages and Tkachuk. Maybe if they out him with Pastrnak and Marchand? But the cost will be high unless it's a deadline type of deal and the risk that he doesn't produce at #1 C quality is real. Scheifele is a head case. I can live with that at the right cost, but if they were really motivated to move him, I think it would have been done by now. We used to bitch that you need a #1C who scores a point per game then had a decade of success mostly without that. Generally, you need an elite C to be a contender, but who knows? Maybe they can find a way without one for now.
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Post by #4 Bobby Orr! GOAT! on Jul 26, 2023 12:35:22 GMT
I loved the Sheiffle hit on the Montreal piñata in the playoffs. That playoff desire is needed.
Vegas made sure Tcachuk was going to feel every shift and took the snot out of him. He wasn’t predicting next game after that. Bruins didn’t make him pay enough
I would take Shieffle. A point plus, can score and can skate. I don’t know his attitude but I’d have a shit ton of attitude playing with a losing team for years
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Post by kelvana33 on Jul 26, 2023 14:07:58 GMT
Jonathan Toews for $1M Fuck Lindholm Trade Grizz I thought of Toews yesterday, I'm not sure, but I don't think he has officially retired yet. I say sign him, and then sign Patrick Kane for an incentive laden deal.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 26, 2023 14:13:39 GMT
Jonathan Toews for $1M Fuck Lindholm Trade Grizz I thought of Toews yesterday, I'm not sure, but I don't think he has officially retired yet. I say sign him, and then sign Patrick Kane for an incentive laden deal. Kane can wait as long as he wants too to join anyone.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 26, 2023 14:24:14 GMT
Jonathan Toews for $1M Fuck Lindholm Trade Grizz I thought of Toews yesterday, I'm not sure, but I don't think he has officially retired yet. I say sign him, and then sign Patrick Kane for an incentive laden deal. I've been on the Toews watch for a while. And I think it could be a good fit if he's willing to take what the Bruins can afford. His game is compatible, and while he's not the player he was in his prime, he's still a very solid two way C who can win draws and offset some of what they lose with Bergeron's decision. The problem is that I don't think he's over long COVID. That was what kept him out last year. He could play a bit but then had to sit out. If he's fully asymptomatic, great. And it would be hilarious for them to add both Kane and Toews. I think there's some affinity there - respect between the original six franchises who fought it out in 2013. Kane's from Buffalo, though, so maybe he doesn't want to be a Bruin. But how great would a line of Marchand-Toews-Kane be behind DeBrusk-Zacha-Pastrnak?
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Jul 26, 2023 14:43:15 GMT
Agree with all as well. I am not forcing anything to try to make something out of this season or save face on the 1st round pick to Detroit. This is a lost season and I am willing to accept it. The only moves I am making are with the long term in mind and trying to build the next core. The tricky part is we desperately need a #1 Center. There is a lot of risk just waiting until the UFA period. Legit centers get resigned or traded to a team that won't let them walk. So I think some combo of Ullmark, JDB, Lysell and our 2025 1st needs to be on the table. I think Matthews and Aho get resigned. Lindholm likely gets traded and signed by whoever trades for him. Schiefele might be the most interesting. Still good but older with some baggage so might come cheaper and serve as a 3-5 year solution. Then we hopefully either find one in the draft or snag McD or Draisaitl in a few years. Hurricanes sign Aho to eight-year, $78M contract extension www.tsn.ca/1.1988604.1690380134Think you’ll be right with Matthews also….
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 26, 2023 14:50:35 GMT
I loved the Sheiffle hit on the Montreal piñata in the playoffs. That playoff desire is needed. Vegas made sure Tcachuk was going to feel every shift and took the snot out of him. He wasn’t predicting next game after that. Bruins didn’t make him pay enough I would take Shieffle. A point plus, can score and can skate. I don’t know his attitude but I’d have a shit ton of attitude playing with a losing team for years Definitely more aggressive than than Lindholm. But is Lindholm buddies with Zacha and Pastrnak ?
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 26, 2023 14:51:40 GMT
I thought of Toews yesterday, I'm not sure, but I don't think he has officially retired yet. I say sign him, and then sign Patrick Kane for an incentive laden deal. Kane can wait as long as he wants too to join anyone. In the drivers seat who he wants to play with. Doesn't need a big contract.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jul 26, 2023 15:29:59 GMT
Kane can wait as long as he wants too to join anyone. In the drivers seat who he wants to play with. Doesn't need a big contract. Join a real good team in a cup run, put up some numbers and become FA with the cap to go up significantly. Doesn't suck to be him.
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