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Post by The OC on Aug 15, 2023 23:01:44 GMT
JDB's a UFA, so he's not a keeper beyond this season at this stage. No extension tells me he doesn't want to stay and/or the Bruins aren't sold on keeping him. And yeah, I totally agree he's a good player, but if they want to bring in a #1C, they have to give up something good. If not JDB, then who? Obviously not Marchand, and dealing Zacha would be both dumb and counter-productive in terms of filling the center void. Not dealing Lindy or CMac. Next in line in the scoring list is JDB. You then have Coyle, Freddy or Gryz. The options are limited in terms of what you can move and what people would want. If JDB can't be extended, he's option #1. Maybe they should value him and extend him. No Hall, No DK, No PB, no Bertuzzi...that makes JDB to me a far bigger commodity, plus he is great in shootouts, which is helpful too. You would rather have him than a center like Lindholm?
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Post by dannycater on Aug 15, 2023 23:13:37 GMT
Maybe they should value him and extend him. No Hall, No DK, No PB, no Bertuzzi...that makes JDB to me a far bigger commodity, plus he is great in shootouts, which is helpful too. You would rather have him than a center like Lindholm? I think Jake's upside is tremendous...he's fast, he has the size and he is turning into a better 200-foot player...so would I rather have Jake than Lindholm? Can't we have both?
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Post by dannycater on Aug 15, 2023 23:16:29 GMT
Speaking of centers has anyone heard about this Georgii Merkulov...AHL Rookie Team, 55 point season in Providence..23..Led NCAA freshmen in goals with Ohio State...maybe he can be the next big young center...?
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Post by The OC on Aug 15, 2023 23:35:02 GMT
You would rather have him than a center like Lindholm? I think Jake's upside is tremendous...he's fast, he has the size and he is turning into a better 200-foot player...so would I rather have Jake than Lindholm? Can't we have both? No. You must choose 1.
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Post by zamboni24 on Aug 16, 2023 0:23:38 GMT
Nah. Neither guy is going to help them score more than any player they'd displace in the top six. And if they aren't top six, then no. Wahlstrom's also a RW. Now if he was a LW, Sweeney would already have made the deal. Wahlstrom would be scoring lacrosse spin-0-ramas all day long in Boston. NAS's new favorite B easily. For sure -- been doing it snce he was 9 years old. I'm sure everyone has seen it but if not: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TxGVSw6Ayw&t=4s
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Post by dannycater on Aug 16, 2023 1:41:55 GMT
I think Jake's upside is tremendous...he's fast, he has the size and he is turning into a better 200-foot player...so would I rather have Jake than Lindholm? Can't we have both? No. You must choose 1. I choose pistols
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Post by brewwins on Aug 16, 2023 4:37:50 GMT
You would rather have him than a center like Lindholm? I think Jake's upside is tremendous...he's fast, he has the size and he is turning into a better 200-foot player...so would I rather have Jake than Lindholm? Can't we have both? I think you were ragging on Jake a couple of years ago and for good reason. We all were. He was sulking and wanted to be traded for whatever reason but man has he turned the corner since he got his new deal. He has tremendous speed and can finish. JDB is almost untouchable in a trade. I'd rather give up Ullmark for Lindholm.
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Post by The OC on Aug 16, 2023 4:55:24 GMT
I think Jake's upside is tremendous...he's fast, he has the size and he is turning into a better 200-foot player...so would I rather have Jake than Lindholm? Can't we have both? I think you were ragging on Jake a couple of years ago and for good reason. We all were. He was sulking and wanted to be traded for whatever reason but man has he turned the corner since he got his new deal. He has tremendous speed and can finish. JDB is almost untouchable in a trade. I'd rather give up Ullmark for Lindholm. What if he won't resign in Boston?
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 16, 2023 15:57:15 GMT
Not trying to be a realist, but the B's don't have much in the way of scoring after Pasta...so that means DeBrusk is a keeper. JDB's a UFA, so he's not a keeper beyond this season at this stage. No extension tells me he doesn't want to stay and/or the Bruins aren't sold on keeping him.And yeah, I totally agree he's a good player, but if they want to bring in a #1C, they have to give up something good. If not JDB, then who? Obviously not Marchand, and dealing Zacha would be both dumb and counter-productive in terms of filling the center void. Not dealing Lindy or CMac. Next in line in the scoring list is JDB. You then have Coyle, Freddy or Gryz. The options are limited in terms of what you can move and what people would want. If JDB can't be extended, he's option #1. I don't think it's black and white either way. I think Jake would likely be happy to stay IF he's going to continue to play a key scoring role, get more PPTOI with Bergeron gone, more PKTOI etc., and he'd then be expecting a contract that pays him for that role. $6M? $7M? But if he's going to get jerked around the top 9 and be 'the best guy who hasn't laid permanent claim to one spot' then I could see him wanting to test UFA. So I am not surprised his agent isn't bitching about a deal by camp or they won't talk until after the season. The Bruins are looking at a lot of higher profile guys in the same situation and probably wondering where they sit in the market if those guys get to UFA. #Buston likely doesn't get to market, and he'd cost a buttload. Stamkos is aging, but there's Nylander, Reinhart, Schiefele, Lindholm and Guentzel on that list. So they, too, may be happy to let the market settle a bit going into the year and then see how some of those situations progress or don't. And so much comes down to how badly they need a centre. They lost two team legends, so it feels like they need one really, really badly. But if they're doing fine by Christmas, maybe that urgency dials down a bit. In my mind, though, it really comes down to Jake is gone for a C or he's re-signed. Those are the only two paths that make much sense.
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 16, 2023 15:58:41 GMT
Speaking of centers has anyone heard about this Georgii Merkulov...AHL Rookie Team, 55 point season in Providence..23..Led NCAA freshmen in goals with Ohio State...maybe he can be the next big young center...? "big" 5'10" and a buck 63. GOAT would lose his noodles.
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 16, 2023 15:59:56 GMT
I think Jake's upside is tremendous...he's fast, he has the size and he is turning into a better 200-foot player...so would I rather have Jake than Lindholm? Can't we have both? I think you were ragging on Jake a couple of years ago and for good reason. We all were. He was sulking and wanted to be traded for whatever reason but man has he turned the corner since he got his new deal. He has tremendous speed and can finish. JDB is almost untouchable in a trade. I'd rather give up Ullmark for Lindholm. What if Calgary has no interest in a goalie?
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Post by dannycater on Aug 16, 2023 16:10:59 GMT
Speaking of centers has anyone heard about this Georgii Merkulov...AHL Rookie Team, 55 point season in Providence..23..Led NCAA freshmen in goals with Ohio State...maybe he can be the next big young center...? "big" 5'10" and a buck 63. GOAT would lose his noodles. maybe he can become the next Samsonov
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Post by dannycater on Aug 16, 2023 16:14:28 GMT
I think you were ragging on Jake a couple of years ago and for good reason. We all were. He was sulking and wanted to be traded for whatever reason but man has he turned the corner since he got his new deal. He has tremendous speed and can finish. JDB is almost untouchable in a trade. I'd rather give up Ullmark for Lindholm. What if Calgary has no interest in a goalie? I'm not saying this to be anti-Lindholm, but I'm getting tired of pining for this guy by B's fans...enough...we had a great forward in Bertuzzi who would have been a game-changer and it didn't happen. Fuck centers, I want guys who can perform...if it's a center great, I just don't think putting one guy on a pedestal like Lindholm is going to make or break how the B's operate. And there is no guarantee Lindholm goes back to 42-40 player..the drop off last season was concerning. And yes I know he is a good faceoff guy.
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Post by The OC on Aug 16, 2023 16:21:09 GMT
JDB's a UFA, so he's not a keeper beyond this season at this stage. No extension tells me he doesn't want to stay and/or the Bruins aren't sold on keeping him.And yeah, I totally agree he's a good player, but if they want to bring in a #1C, they have to give up something good. If not JDB, then who? Obviously not Marchand, and dealing Zacha would be both dumb and counter-productive in terms of filling the center void. Not dealing Lindy or CMac. Next in line in the scoring list is JDB. You then have Coyle, Freddy or Gryz. The options are limited in terms of what you can move and what people would want. If JDB can't be extended, he's option #1. I don't think it's black and white either way. I think Jake would likely be happy to stay IF he's going to continue to play a key scoring role, get more PPTOI with Bergeron gone, more PKTOI etc., and he'd then be expecting a contract that pays him for that role. $6M? $7M? But if he's going to get jerked around the top 9 and be 'the best guy who hasn't laid permanent claim to one spot' then I could see him wanting to test UFA. So I am not surprised his agent isn't bitching about a deal by camp or they won't talk until after the season. The Bruins are looking at a lot of higher profile guys in the same situation and probably wondering where they sit in the market if those guys get to UFA. #Buston likely doesn't get to market, and he'd cost a buttload. Stamkos is aging, but there's Nylander, Reinhart, Schiefele, Lindholm and Guentzel on that list. So they, too, may be happy to let the market settle a bit going into the year and then see how some of those situations progress or don't. And so much comes down to how badly they need a centre. They lost two team legends, so it feels like they need one really, really badly. But if they're doing fine by Christmas, maybe that urgency dials down a bit. In my mind, though, it really comes down to Jake is gone for a C or he's re-signed. Those are the only two paths that make much sense. Walking him to UFA status would be stupid. He'll be signed or dealt, and my money's on them holding as a key trade piece when a team is willing to part with a center. Regardless, if they are on pace for 66 wins with Geekie scoring 40, you sign Jake to an extension. If they are in the playoff mix but need a center and he can get you one, you deal him. If they are out of the mix, you deal him for picks and young talent. Too big of an asset to do nothing with. And there is the possibility that he just doesn't want to be in Boston or wants to be elsewhere as a UFA. In that case you are working on the deal now.
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Post by The OC on Aug 16, 2023 16:22:52 GMT
What if Calgary has no interest in a goalie? I'm not saying this to be anti-Lindholm, but I'm getting tired of pining for this guy by B's fans...enough...we had a great forward in Bertuzzi who would have been a game-changer and it didn't happen. Fuck centers, I want guys who can perform...if it's a center great, I just don't think putting one guy on a pedestal like Lindholm is going to make or break how the B's operate. And there is no guarantee Lindholm goes back to 42-40 player..the drop off last season was concerning. And yes I know he is a good faceoff guy. Fuck centers, says the guy with a memorial to one as his avatar.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 16, 2023 16:24:07 GMT
I'm not saying this to be anti-Lindholm, but I'm getting tired of pining for this guy by B's fans...enough...we had a great forward in Bertuzzi who would have been a game-changer and it didn't happen. Fuck centers, I want guys who can perform...if it's a center great, I just don't think putting one guy on a pedestal like Lindholm is going to make or break how the B's operate. And there is no guarantee Lindholm goes back to 42-40 player..the drop off last season was concerning. And yes I know he is a good faceoff guy. Fuck centers, says the guy with a memorial to one as his avatar. I'm saying fuck throwing everything away to get a center...Ullmark, JDB are guys who help the team and now they are needed more than ever.
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Post by The OC on Aug 16, 2023 16:44:08 GMT
Fuck centers, says the guy with a memorial to one as his avatar. I'm saying fuck throwing everything away to get a center...Ullmark, JDB are guys who help the team and now they are needed more than ever. I need you more than ever.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 16, 2023 17:45:32 GMT
I'm saying fuck throwing everything away to get a center...Ullmark, JDB are guys who help the team and now they are needed more than ever. I need you more than ever. knowing me, I'll probably trade Nugent-Hopkins and Tage Thompson for crap back
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Post by mdsizzle on Aug 16, 2023 18:32:28 GMT
I'll be slightly shocked if he doesn't take a step backwards with no Bergy this year. Jake does a lot of his goals through individual type plays...he isn't as reliant on a center. Nicest way I've heard you call someone selfish! Very subtle Danny! ππ
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 16, 2023 21:41:46 GMT
I don't think it's black and white either way. I think Jake would likely be happy to stay IF he's going to continue to play a key scoring role, get more PPTOI with Bergeron gone, more PKTOI etc., and he'd then be expecting a contract that pays him for that role. $6M? $7M? But if he's going to get jerked around the top 9 and be 'the best guy who hasn't laid permanent claim to one spot' then I could see him wanting to test UFA. So I am not surprised his agent isn't bitching about a deal by camp or they won't talk until after the season. The Bruins are looking at a lot of higher profile guys in the same situation and probably wondering where they sit in the market if those guys get to UFA. #Buston likely doesn't get to market, and he'd cost a buttload. Stamkos is aging, but there's Nylander, Reinhart, Schiefele, Lindholm and Guentzel on that list. So they, too, may be happy to let the market settle a bit going into the year and then see how some of those situations progress or don't. And so much comes down to how badly they need a centre. They lost two team legends, so it feels like they need one really, really badly. But if they're doing fine by Christmas, maybe that urgency dials down a bit. In my mind, though, it really comes down to Jake is gone for a C or he's re-signed. Those are the only two paths that make much sense. Walking him to UFA status would be stupid. He'll be signed or dealt, and my money's on them holding as a key trade piece when a team is willing to part with a center. Regardless, if they are on pace for 66 wins with Geekie scoring 40, you sign Jake to an extension. If they are in the playoff mix but need a center and he can get you one, you deal him. If they are out of the mix, you deal him for picks and young talent. Too big of an asset to do nothing with. And there is the possibility that he just doesn't want to be in Boston or wants to be elsewhere as a UFA. In that case you are working on the deal now. I think you cacked it up if you are out of the mix and he's still on the roster. If you're trending to being out and there's a deal to be had to fix it, make it. If there's not, not without pushing out more futures, then deal him for the best return as soon as possible - don't wait until you're sure you're out because you'll get less for him.
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 16, 2023 21:42:05 GMT
Jake does a lot of his goals through individual type plays...he isn't as reliant on a center. Nicest way I've heard you call someone selfish! Very subtle Danny! ππ That's danny. Always subtle.
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Post by dannycater on Aug 16, 2023 21:49:26 GMT
Nicest way I've heard you call someone selfish! Very subtle Danny! ππ That's danny. Always subtle. I try to post as if I'm DK. It's well thought out and strategically placed. It's done with little emotion and I try to write as if it's an essay...oh wait that's not me!
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Post by The OC on Aug 16, 2023 22:30:56 GMT
That's danny. Always subtle. I try to post as if I'm DK. It's well thought out and strategically placed. It's done with little emotion and I try to write as if it's an essay...oh wait that's not me! Iβve never seen DK play drunk!
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Post by mdsizzle on Aug 16, 2023 22:48:03 GMT
Nicest way I've heard you call someone selfish! Very subtle Danny! ππ That's danny. Always subtle. Classic Dan!
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Post by dannycater on Aug 16, 2023 23:31:49 GMT
That's danny. Always subtle. Classic Dan! For a while I was New Dan, but it didn't sell well so I went to Dan Classic, which really was the original version.
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