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Post by barleytinking on Oct 13, 2023 16:09:39 GMT
Was on the www.nhl.com/bruins/ and looked at the 100 Year Team. Nifty is in there, and the usual suspects, so all is good. However, no TT. Like WTF. Guy almost single handedly won them their last Cup, and you don't include him. Politics aside, he just should be there. You think they get past Montreal, or TBay without him. Not f***ing likely. Just had to vent. |
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Post by The OC on Oct 13, 2023 16:16:22 GMT
Can only put two goalies. I'd have him there ahead of Cheevers, but there is a lot of nostalgia for Gerry. 2 Vez, Cup and Con Smythe would have Timmy in for me.
Also surmised to see Brad omitted.
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Post by 50belowzero on Oct 13, 2023 16:44:47 GMT
Can only put two goalies. I'd have him there ahead of Cheevers, but there is a lot of nostalgia for Gerry. 2 Vez, Cup and Con Smythe would have Timmy in for me. Also surmised to see Brad omitted. Brad Park & Brad Marchand both made it, unless you meant Brad Palmer. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Oct 13, 2023 16:45:48 GMT
Can only put two goalies. I'd have him there ahead of Cheevers, but there is a lot of nostalgia for Gerry. 2 Vez, Cup and Con Smythe would have Timmy in for me. Also surmised to see Brad omitted. Pastrnak over Marchand is the only strange one for me. No issue with Pastrnak being there but I would put Marchand ahead ifnhim career wise as of today. Brimsek - 2 Cups Cheevers - 2 Cups Timmy - 1 Cup. I don't think it's more complicated than that. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Oct 13, 2023 16:46:46 GMT
Can only put two goalies. I'd have him there ahead of Cheevers, but there is a lot of nostalgia for Gerry. 2 Vez, Cup and Con Smythe would have Timmy in for me. Also surmised to see Brad omitted. Pastrnak over Marchand is the only strange one for me. No issue with Pastrnak being there but I would put Marchand ahead ifnhim career wise as of today. Brimsek - 2 Cups Cheevers - 2 Cups Timmy - 1 Cup. I don't think it's more complicated than that. And even better if they're both there. |
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Post by 50belowzero on Oct 13, 2023 16:54:10 GMT
Cecil "Tiny" Thompson, 4 Vezina's, all time Bruins leader in SO's, 2nd to Rask in wins, no SC's. Winning Cups packs alot of punch in voters eyes it seems, TT only 1 Cup.
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Post by dannycater on Oct 16, 2023 14:21:19 GMT
The suicides of those snubbed (family members for those already dead) will rise as the B's PR department must deal with that backlash.
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Post by bookboy007 on Oct 16, 2023 15:14:08 GMT
Cecil "Tiny" Thompson, 4 Vezina's, all time Bruins leader in SO's, 2nd to Rask in wins, no SC's. Winning Cups packs alot of punch in voters eyes it seems, TT only 1 Cup. Tiny. Yeah, they had a real dilemma there. Those two goalies from before-and-during WWII have a pretty strong case to be on the team, but the optics of saying yeah, we haven't had a great goalie since the boys came back from Juno Beach is pretty tough to swallow as a celebration. Thompson has the best career GAA of any goalie with 500 games, and that list is, perhaps not surprisingly, full of players who played this millenium. Only Plante, Hall, Sawchuk, Bower, Broda, and Bernie Parent are better than Brimsek among pre-2000 players in terms of GAA. Some of that is just simply the number of games for a goalie available until expansion. 6 teams, and the season was 50 games or less until '46, then 60 until '49 before finally going to 70 right up to expansion, then slowly growing from there. Thompson had to play every game for 13 seasons, basically, to get to over 500, Brimsek pretty close to the same. That's 1 of 6 goalie jobs pretty much taken for most of the first 25 years of the NHL. At most, you could have about 12-20 guys pre-expansion who made 500 games, and in reality, you had 8 - Gump Worsley and Harry Lumley are the other two not already mentioned here. The other consideration, I think, was the challenge of Rask v Thomas. In all-time wins as a Bruin, it's Rask, Thompson, Brimsek, Cheevers, Thomas. Games played: Rask, Thompson, Johnston, Brimsek, Cheevers, Thomas. Thomas edges Rask by the slightest of margins in s%; Cheevers well back, and they didn't keep stats for the early guys. GAA: Thompson, Rask, Thomas, Brimsek, Cheevers. So Rask finishes ahead of Timmy in every category except Cups. Took them to the Final twice, but couldn't close the deal. When you look at those basic stats, it really highlights that if you look at overall performance, Rask has as strong a case as anyone to make the team. But when you look at Cups and Vezinas, Thomas has the edge. And finally neither of them is there because Brimsek won two Cups, Cheevers won two Cups, Thomas and Thompson 1 each, and Rask - statistically the best goalie in Bruins history - won none. So going the Cups route avoided the difficult conversation of whether you go with a guy who was lights out for a very short time that included a Cup or a guy who was lights out for a decade, but like Cheevers, his team fell short when they shouldn't have more than once. |
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Post by 50belowzero on Oct 16, 2023 18:21:38 GMT
Another thing i was curious about was Wayne Cashman. He made the final team and rightly so, had it all, toughness, physicality, leadership and a top offensive player during the B's 70's juggernauts. From what i've read about the 100th celebrations there has been no interviews or even mention of him having attended any of the events surrounding the centennial. I assume it was health related as Wayne is still alive and surely would have gotten an invite. It could be he's an introvert and din't want to see anybody i guess.
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Post by RichHillOntario on Oct 16, 2023 19:36:30 GMT
Another thing i was curious about was Wayne Cashman. He made the final team and rightly so, had it all, toughness, physicality, leadership and a top offensive player during the B's 70's juggernauts. From what i've read about the 100th celebrations there has been no interviews or even mention of him having attended any of the events surrounding the centennial. I assume it was health related as Wayne is still alive and surely would have gotten an invite. It could be he's an introvert and din't want to see anybody i guess.I've read during those early 70s powerhouse Bruins clubs, Espo, with his outgoing personality, did enough of the talking for him, Hodge and Cashman at that time. That he was chosen for that legendary 1972 Team Canada team speaks volumes for how he was viewed in the hockey world. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Oct 16, 2023 20:53:39 GMT
The suicides of those snubbed (family members for those already dead) will rise as the B's PR department must deal with that backlash. Fluto wrote a (SURPRISE!!) wafer thin piece on the process for the Athletic. They gave a selection committee - and Fluto was on that committee, so I'm guessing it was Fluto, KPD, Haggs, a homeless guy (oh, sorry, that's Jimmy Murphy), Rene Rancourt and Cocaine Bear - a list of candidates. Each committee member nominated a player. If the player was acclaimed by the whole committee, they were in. If not, they were up for further discussion until there was consensus. Forwards were not chosen by position - just F. Goalies were the hardest, as discussed here, with Rask, Thomas and Thompson getting a lot of discussion. Five of the six D weren't debated - no surprise that Shore, Orr, Park, Bourque and Chara had no dissenting voices, so it sounds like the last D came down to Clapper vs Hitchman and Flaman. In his short list of "snubs"...doesn't sound like there was much debate at F. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Oct 16, 2023 20:56:26 GMT
The other thing I find kind of fun to imagine here is ... who would this team play if it could every had happened that they were in their primes at the right times? Sort of the 5 Gretzkys vs 5 Orrs question.
Who would ever score on that D?
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Post by The OC on Oct 17, 2023 12:44:12 GMT
The suicides of those snubbed (family members for those already dead) will rise as the B's PR department must deal with that backlash. Fluto wrote a (SURPRISE!!) wafer thin piece on the process for the Athletic. They gave a selection committee - and Fluto was on that committee, so I'm guessing it was Fluto, KPD, Haggs, a homeless guy (oh, sorry, that's Jimmy Murphy), Rene Rancourt and Cocaine Bear - a list of candidates. Each committee member nominated a player. If the player was acclaimed by the whole committee, they were in. If not, they were up for further discussion until there was consensus. Forwards were not chosen by position - just F. Goalies were the hardest, as discussed here, with Rask, Thomas and Thompson getting a lot of discussion. Five of the six D weren't debated - no surprise that Shore, Orr, Park, Bourque and Chara had no dissenting voices, so it sounds like the last D came down to Clapper vs Hitchman and Flaman. In his short list of "snubs"...doesn't sound like there was much debate at F. They published the selection committee, it was about 30 names, some good, some goofballs like Haggs. |
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Post by The OC on Oct 17, 2023 12:54:19 GMT
The other thing I find kind of fun to imagine here is ... who would this team play if it could every had happened that they were in their primes at the right times? Sort of the 5 Gretzkys vs 5 Orrs question. Who would ever score on that D? Interesting that the Bruins probably have he best Best Ever team. Montreal would be real good, but despite nearly 3 decades of titles, their "best ever" players tend to be a little down the all-time ranks. The Leafs, despite decades of history really come up short. Chicago and Detroit would be very strong, the Rangers less so. Edmonton and Pittsburgh both have two prime eras with truly elite talent. McDavid and Crosby as third line centers? Yikes. In an all time best on best of the league, I'd probably rank them: Tie 1st: BOS, MTL Tie 3rd, with a legit shot at winning: EDM, PIT Hoping for Bronze: CHI, DET, COL Wildcards: NYI, PHI, LAK Everyone Else |
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Post by sandogbrewin on Oct 17, 2023 14:29:37 GMT
Can only put two goalies. I'd have him there ahead of Cheevers, but there is a lot of nostalgia for Gerry. 2 Vez, Cup and Con Smythe would have Timmy in for me. Also surmised to see Brad omitted. Pastrnak over Marchand is the only strange one for me. No issue with Pastrnak being there but I would put Marchand ahead ifnhim career wise as of today. Brimsek - 2 Cups Cheevers - 2 Cups Timmy - 1 Cup. I don't think it's more complicated than that. Talent wise Gilbert was equal to Thomas. Better than the other two goalies. But measurement is a cup. LoL where does Pete Peeters fall in ? |
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Post by bookboy007 on Oct 17, 2023 16:51:13 GMT
Pastrnak over Marchand is the only strange one for me. No issue with Pastrnak being there but I would put Marchand ahead ifnhim career wise as of today. Brimsek - 2 Cups Cheevers - 2 Cups Timmy - 1 Cup. I don't think it's more complicated than that. Talent wise Gilbert was equal to Thomas. Better than the other two goalies. But measurement is a cup. LoL where does Pete Peeters fall in ? Short timer in terms of career stats. Byron Defoe is the next name on the list, believe it or not. |
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Post by bookboy007 on Oct 17, 2023 16:58:58 GMT
The other thing I find kind of fun to imagine here is ... who would this team play if it could every had happened that they were in their primes at the right times? Sort of the 5 Gretzkys vs 5 Orrs question. Who would ever score on that D? Interesting that the Bruins probably have he best Best Ever team. Montreal would be real good, but despite nearly 3 decades of titles, their "best ever" players tend to be a little down the all-time ranks. The Leafs, despite decades of history really come up short. Chicago and Detroit would be very strong, the Rangers less so. Edmonton and Pittsburgh both have two prime eras with truly elite talent. McDavid and Crosby as third line centers? Yikes. In an all time best on best of the league, I'd probably rank them: Tie 1st: BOS, MTL Tie 3rd, with a legit shot at winning: EDM, PIT Hoping for Bronze: CHI, DET, COL Wildcards: NYI, PHI, LAK Everyone Else I started down this road, and Montreal is surprisingly weak down the middle. Belliveau, Henri, Lemaire...and then you kind of choose between a bunch of guys from Koivu, Pete Mahavolich, Bobby Smith, Damphousse, Lach, and Carbonneau. None of them bad, and old timers would probably say Lach is the obvious choice. RW is the Rocket, the Flower, the Roadrunner and BoomBoom...if they all have nicknames like that, they're on the team. LW is probably Moore, Shutt, Naslund and then you have to choose from Gainey or Joliat. D is the Big 3, Doug Harvey, Chelios (even though he wasn't there very long), and probably take JC Tremblay over Markov. That's a very good team. Lots of speed on the wings. But yeah...no reason to think that Bruins team couldn't take them. |
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Post by badhabitude on Oct 18, 2023 2:48:46 GMT
Can only put two goalies. I'd have him there ahead of Cheevers, but there is a lot of nostalgia for Gerry. 2 Vez, Cup and Con Smythe would have Timmy in for me. Also surmised to see Brad omitted. Pastrnak over Marchand is the only strange one for me. No issue with Pastrnak being there but I would put Marchand ahead ifnhim career wise as of today. Brimsek - 2 Cups Cheevers - 2 Cups Timmy - 1 Cup. I don't think it's more complicated than that. And one other factor to mix in, longevity of service is a part of it, I'll just say Jagr isn't there to show that. |
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Post by dannycater on Oct 18, 2023 13:12:43 GMT
I never looked at the 20 picked until now...frankly (brimsek)...it's basically spot on...the problem for a lot of fans under the age of 50 (so that's not me and I'm guessing not a few long timers here either) is that players didn't exist until 2011...Love Timmy, Tooks, and even Tiny Thompson too (and tigger too)...but other than goalie really I'm hard pressed to question any of the 20 and the 2 goalies picked were as perfect as the others.
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Post by dannycater on Oct 18, 2023 13:28:49 GMT
Don Marcotte was and is one of the most underated B's players and best defensive forwards in their history as was and is how good Ken Linseman was (albeit 5-1/2 seasons). Rask (one Vezina, arguably could have had 3) is incredibly underated in comparison to the other B's goalies with Thomas having the flair/bravado of that 2011 season in particular but also won the Vezina in 09 too. Thompson certainly a great goalie. Keith Crowder played the entire 1980s as a B and for what it's worth he was pretty darn good leader too (not Centennial material). And enough on O'Ree and his "impact." He didn't have an impact on the league, he didn't promote change at the time he played, years after he played..when Mike Marson became a Washington Cap..he was the only black player in the league and that was some 12 years after O'Ree broke the barrier. But O'Ree and not Park having 22 put up in the rafters is an embarrassment to the organization who felt compelled by the times at the time (and O'Ree wasn't even at the ceremony to lift jersey) to raise Willie...and again, for the 9,000th time, I met Willie O'Ree, I watched him play in a minor league hockey game (and I knew his importance back then as a kid) and I think he is a great person, great ambassador to B's and youth hockey. This has nothing to do with O'Ree, the man...he is a great man, a great person...and it's laughable that some media outlets were outraged over his not being part of the Centennial 20.
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Post by 50belowzero on Oct 18, 2023 18:51:15 GMT
Media love to complain, and if they can find a torch to carry they will do it in a heartbeat, trying too hard to be relevant.
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Post by islamorada on Oct 21, 2023 9:26:22 GMT
These types of rankings reduced to a small selection are really just fanfare. The better solution would be to rank ten players for the sake of argument for each position. Each era had players that added to the team but were not "super" stars. Certainly a list of fan favorites not on that list would be great. Lucic for one. How about best fighters to aggravate the Nouveau "sensibilities" of the elites? Stan Johnathan was a favorite.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Oct 26, 2023 14:00:43 GMT
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Post by Lord Markwart on Oct 26, 2023 14:41:39 GMT
I wonder which organization could field the best all-time teams of relative dominance...
My Top 5 would be...
1) Boston
2) Montreal
3) Edmonton
4) Pitt.
5) Islanders
Boston would have the best defensive pairing of Orr and Bourque as well as two of the best power forwards in Neely and Espo.
Montreal could easily roll 4 lines and have the goaltending.
Edmonton would be sick up the middle with Gretz, McDavid, and Messier
The Isles would just be solid everywhere with mostly 80s guys led by Bossy, Potvin, and Trottier.
Pitt would be rich in talent with some of the best 1v1 players with Mario, Jagr, Sydney, and Geno.
Of course, the other original 6 teams would be legit especially Chicago with Hull, Savard, Mikita, Kane, etc.. Might be ahead of Isles more I think about it.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Oct 28, 2023 11:57:43 GMT
Danny and Book were members of Eds fan club in the 50s.
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