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Post by sandogbrewin on Oct 23, 2023 13:11:47 GMT
Ullmark is a difficult call. Even at the deadline with teams willing to give max return, it probably wouldn't be more than a 2nd rounder. And half the teams asking are out of the question because the Bruins will be fighting for playoff spots with them. And then there's the want for injury protection. And then there's chemistry / not screwing up a good thing. So you're right...the only real time to move Ullmark would be next summer. I think it's inevitable for the Bruins to have both through next season and just deal with the fact that Ullmark will walk as a UFA. I'm ok with that. That's the price you pay for being a good team. A second rounder for the reigning Vezina winner? No. The only way I trade Ullmark is for a first rounder +, but I think he would bring that in. I'm sure Edmonton for example would be willing to part with a first to give themselves a shot at a cup. We'll see what happens. I for one, think we need to trade him either at the deadline or in the off-season. Two #1 goalies is only useful for chasing regular season records. If you want to win a cup, you invest that money elsewhere. This team's path to a cup is about finding a true #1C, and finding high end middle six players. As much as I'd like to think we are already set at center with the emergence of Poitras, I still feel like we are a team without a true #1C. Perhaps one of either Zacha or Poitras proves me wrong, but I see both of them as more 2C than 1C in an ideal world, just like Coyle is best suited at 3C. Given that we don't look like we are going to fall out of the playoff picture, and thus won't be drafting in the top 10, our best bet at a 1C is a trade, and Ullmark/Swayman is our best chip. The Bruins could rob a goalie desperate team. I would want a 1st, a good prospect and an NHL player. I could see a big return. Teams GMs hold other GMs over the fire at the deadline. Verbeek demand for Lindholm. Now a #1/2 Dman could be valued differently. Hello Edmonton!
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Post by asmaha on Oct 23, 2023 14:22:52 GMT
I'm having trouble finding a simple list of goalie trades in, say, the last 10 years. I'm curious to what the actual returns have been.
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Post by The OC on Oct 23, 2023 21:37:53 GMT
I'm having trouble finding a simple list of goalie trades in, say, the last 10 years. I'm curious to what the actual returns have been. Goalie trades - especially top goalie trades - just aren't that common. Basic reality is that you only have one (#1), so you don't want to deal them if they're good. If they're bad, they have no value.
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Post by mdsizzle on Oct 24, 2023 1:05:14 GMT
I'm having trouble finding a simple list of goalie trades in, say, the last 10 years. I'm curious to what the actual returns have been. Goalie trades - especially top goalie trades - just aren't that common. Basic reality is that you only have one (#1), so you don't want to deal them if they're good. If they're bad, they have no value. Number 1 goalies have the same value as you OC. Despite our phone ringing of the hook, we've never even considered trading you... Even when your value dipped a bit when you were rambling on about the snake draft. And funny rando fact... When I swipe typed the word "our" my phone registered it as the word "Poitras"!! Congrats kid, you officially made it!
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Post by 50belowzero on Oct 24, 2023 21:45:23 GMT
Other than when Patty Roy was traded the going rate for goaltenders are 2nd to late round picks, prospects or journeymen. Even the return for Roy wasn't a haul with Rucinsky, Kovalenko & Thibault going to Montreal, adding insult to injury Mike Keane was thrown in to sweeten the Roy deal, haha. Roy quitting on Montreal really put them over the barrel though, they were hooped as soon as he said he wouldn't play for them ever again.
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Post by The OC on Oct 24, 2023 21:56:27 GMT
Other than when Patty Roy was traded the going rate for goaltenders are 2nd to late round picks, prospects or journeymen. Even the return for Roy wasn't a haul with Rucinsky, Kovalenko & Thibault going to Montreal, adding insult to injury Mike Keane was thrown in to sweeten the Roy deal, haha. Roy quitting on Montreal really put them over the barrel though, they were hooped as soon as he said he wouldn't play for them ever again. While history doesn't look well on that deal, it really wasn't that bad. Basically two top-6 forwards and high value (10th overall pick) young goalie that could potentially fill the void. The problem is TBo didn't work out and Roy won two cups, but that's life.
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Post by 50belowzero on Oct 24, 2023 22:09:04 GMT
Other than when Patty Roy was traded the going rate for goaltenders are 2nd to late round picks, prospects or journeymen. Even the return for Roy wasn't a haul with Rucinsky, Kovalenko & Thibault going to Montreal, adding insult to injury Mike Keane was thrown in to sweeten the Roy deal, haha. Roy quitting on Montreal really put them over the barrel though, they were hooped as soon as he said he wouldn't play for them ever again. While history doesn't look well on that deal, it really wasn't that bad. Basically two top-6 forwards and high value (10th overall pick) young goalie that could potentially fill the void. The problem is TBo didn't work out and Roy won two cups, but that's life. Well Rucinsky worked out ok, in 6 seasons for Montreal he averaged 22 gls a year, not bad i guess. Kovalenko played one season for Montreal and had a 17 gl season and then went to the Oilers, Thibault wasn't any good but had a very tough act to follow. All in all the Avalanche got a 2X Cup champion for peanuts.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Oct 24, 2023 23:12:01 GMT
Could we kind of use the Martin Jones trade to SJ as a "base". Meaning use the return but ad to it the worth of a reining Vezina winner ?
A good prospect, a 1st rounder and what else ? I say an established scorer.
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Post by wayne on Oct 24, 2023 23:58:21 GMT
Ullmark is a difficult call. Even at the deadline with teams willing to give max return, it probably wouldn't be more than a 2nd rounder. And half the teams asking are out of the question because the Bruins will be fighting for playoff spots with them. And then there's the want for injury protection. And then there's chemistry / not screwing up a good thing. So you're right...the only real time to move Ullmark would be next summer. I think it's inevitable for the Bruins to have both through next season and just deal with the fact that Ullmark will walk as a UFA. I'm ok with that. That's the price you pay for being a good team. A second rounder for the reigning Vezina winner? No. The only way I trade Ullmark is for a first rounder +, but I think he would bring that in. I'm sure Edmonton for example would be willing to part with a first to give themselves a shot at a cup. We'll see what happens. I for one, think we need to trade him either at the deadline or in the off-season. Two #1 goalies is only useful for chasing regular season records. If you want to win a cup, you invest that money elsewhere. This team's path to a cup is about finding a true #1C, and finding high end middle six players. As much as I'd like to think we are already set at center with the emergence of Poitras, I still feel like we are a team without a true #1C. Perhaps one of either Zacha or Poitras proves me wrong, but I see both of them as more 2C than 1C in an ideal world, just like Coyle is best suited at 3C. Given that we don't look like we are going to fall out of the playoff picture, and thus won't be drafting in the top 10, our best bet at a 1C is a trade, and Ullmark/Swayman is our best chip. based on last year Zacha and Coyle produce at a 2C level, we could have 3 2C's by the end of the season as Pooter is looking good. If he can exceed Krejci's first season it would be a win 56 6 21 27 and I think he will do easily
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Post by chappy28 on Oct 25, 2023 0:05:58 GMT
Could we kind of use the Martin Jones trade to SJ as a "base". Meaning use the return but ad to it the worth of a reining Vezina winner ? A good prospect, a 1st rounder and what else ? I say an established scorer. A first round pick and a good young winger sounds pretty nice to me. Maybe a throw in second rounder just because we don't have any of those for a few years
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Post by moognoates on Oct 25, 2023 3:53:15 GMT
I'm watching you Thomas Novak.
Consolation prize to Lindholm?
A player hitting his potential or someone spiking so far in a contract year?
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Post by asmaha on Oct 25, 2023 13:31:27 GMT
I'm watching you Thomas Novak. Consolation prize to Lindholm? A player hitting his potential or someone spiking so far in a contract year? Shhhhhhhh.....
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