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Post by fiberglassmask on Mar 10, 2024 13:07:41 GMT
“ Asked about those rumors, Ullmark said: “I’m just very happy to be here. This is the team that I want to be in. I’m very fortunate to be a part of this group. Ever since Day One I’ve loved it here. So I’m very happy with where I am right now.” Rest of this great article by Amalie: www.nhl.com/news/topic/nhl-insider/linus-ullmark-happy-to-remain-with-bruins-after-trade-deadline”So, when was the last Boston athlete that you remember tearing up about getting to stay here a little longer? Makes you feel good in the wake of the Mookies, et al. Great article. I’ve really gotten to like this guy personally. I’ve had a couple playing situation similarities come up with him and I really get him. Cool dude. Amazing tandem. A lot like Cheevers/Johnston, except probably more responsible for team success.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 10, 2024 14:23:21 GMT
More like Moog/Lemelin who's teams didn't have the puck for 59 minutes. Closer comparison to today's goalie tandem is Andy and Réjean. Think they were better than Cheevers/Johnston.
The tight squeeze of the NHL cap, a really good AHL goalie who needs there chance and teams offering draft picks the Bs don't have for a really good goalie. The realities of a business aspect.
It's awesome how much Ullmark loves Boston and his teammates. I expect athletes to say that about Boston now. Compared to when Bill Russells house got shit on. Hope Ullmark comes back for visits.
Beating out Swayman should be on Ullmarks mind the rest of the way. And it should be the only thing on his mind.
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 10, 2024 14:41:04 GMT
These guys know what they signed up for when they became pro athletes, trades are part of it. I do like Ullmark though, his personal back story is really inspiring for people going through the same issues, he also seems like a stand up guy, father and teammate. I also think he's a very good goaltender and the Bruins are lucky to have both him and Swayman. It would be great for the B's to be able to keep both but laying out $12 mil a year on goaltending is too much. I hope Ullmark & Swayman get to win a Cup together.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 10, 2024 16:03:48 GMT
These guys know what they signed up for when they became pro athletes, trades are part of it. I do like Ullmark though, his personal back story is really inspiring for people going through the same issues, he also seems like a stand up guy, father and teammate. I also think he's a very good goaltender and the Bruins are lucky to have both him and Swayman. It would be great for the B's to be able to keep both but laying out $12 mil a year on goaltending is too much. I hope Ullmark & Swayman get to win a Cup together. True enough, but I really don't think you know what it's going to be like in the moment. In this case, you're coming off a huge personal performance high where you've been voted the best goalie in the league; you're in the third year of three with a team that just set a record for regular season performance, but you've lost two straight game sevens that came down to final minutes. And last year, plenty of people are on you for the loss because you didn't look right, you had probably the worst two weeks of the season, and you lost the net for game 7. So you come into this year wanting to make that up to the guys in the room and try to finish what you started (knowing it doesn't help Bergeron and Krejci go out on a high). Then your name is out there as bait, and people are saying you nixed a trade. I can see that being a big deal for a guy. But in the spirit of this thread, I'm glad that he's handling it this way instead of the 'hot take' bullshit where you pout to the media and say "well, if they don't want me then that's their problem..." or even just acting all butt-hurt like Markstrom. I like Ullmark, and I am not in the camp that says he HAS to go anywhere before his deal is up. Especially in this era of goalies where there are barely a handful of his calibre, proven or unproven. These playoffs are going to be very interesting. The narrative since last June has been that two #1 goalies is a "luxury" because the Bruins "need" a #1C. What if they do the tandem thing in the playoffs and go all the way, or even super deep? In the offseason, they bolster the D by dumping Forbort and Grz and come back with Lindholm-McAvoy, Lohrei-Carlo, Wotherspoon and a hard-hitting net clearing D? Pooter comes back healthy and 10 pounds heavier and stronger...and quicker...and lights it up in camp playing with Marchand and Frederic. Are you really going to move Ullmark for picks in that scenario, or do you take another run in Marchand's final year of his deal when you'll have a lot of your picks again? You've proven you don't need a #1C to win in this scenario, and you may actually be able to improve the C position without making a major move. Even after that...why is $10M too much to spend on goaltending? Especially with a $92 million cap. Say Ullmark, who will be 32 when the contract expires, is willing to take $3-4M over 2-3 years because he likes it in Boston and he and Swayman are cool with the arrangement. You'd be dedicating 12% of your Cap to goaltending, which means you are committed to being a team that is built from the net out. When Rask signed his $7M deal, he alone was costing them 10.9% of the Cap. So Tuukka and a veteran backup was always going to be approximately 12% of the Cap, minimum. I'm not advocating this, but I would be the Bruins have gameplanned it 4-5 years out and it's a competitive scenario based on who and how they might be able to acquire an improvement at top C.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 10, 2024 16:18:50 GMT
More like Moog/Lemelin who's teams didn't have the puck for 59 minutes. Closer comparison to today's goalie tandem is Andy and Réjean. Think they were better than Cheevers/Johnston. The tight squeeze of the NHL cap, a really good AHL goalie who needs there chance and teams offering draft picks the Bs don't have for a really good goalie. The realities of a business aspect. It's awesome how much Ullmark loves Boston and his teammates. I expect athletes to say that about Boston now. Compared to when Bill Russells house got shit on. Hope Ullmark comes back for visits. Beating out Swayman should be on Ullmarks mind the rest of the way. And it should be the only thing on his mind. Depends on a few things, but I don't think they're going to be squeezed by the Cap next year or for a little while. The only squeeze is on their ability to go out and acquire new, big dollar players, but I don't see there being a lot out there to get that they couldn't achieve with some maneuvering. Unless the Oil crap their pants on McDavid and Draisaitl. Most of the big money pieces on this team are signed for term right now. DeBrusk is up, and we'll see what happens there. Freddy and Geekie come up next year, and both are playing their way to raises. Freddy is UFA after next year, which is insane. But neither is going over the $5M mark. On D, the big three are locked up for years, Lohrei is still on his ELC for one more year before he goes RFA and will likely get paid. I expect that to be the top 4 for a while. Looks like Wotherspoon and Peake are your 5-6 going forward (I didn't realize Peake had term). All of that to say...they shouldn't be forced to let anyone walk because of the Cap. It will be difficult to find players to make them better unless that happens internally, but at some point that's true for every team. They'll have to give Fabio a shot. Hope that Merkulov continues to get better. Beecher. Locmelis. If Bussi is all that and a bag of chips, you can always trade him for picks, but I don't agree with the idea of making space for a player who you hope can develop into as good a player as the guy you traded for draft picks so that he'd get his chance. At Bussi's age, the risk is that he'd pull an Adin Hill - have one dynamite season in the NHL before becoming a UFA and signing elsewhere for almost $5M. If they have a move in their pocket that makes the team better but it requires that they move Ullmark, when I think you have to do it, but I wouldn't make the move because you feel pressure to do it on the business side.
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Post by barleytinking on Mar 10, 2024 16:52:29 GMT
Wow, cold but accurate Book. "True enough, but I really don't think you know what it's going to be like in the moment. In this case, you're coming off a huge personal performance high where you've been voted the best goalie in the league; you're in the third year of three with a team that just set a record for regular season performance, but you've lost two straight game sevens that came down to final minutes. And last year, plenty of people are on you for the loss because you didn't look right, you had probably the worst two weeks of the season, and you lost the net for game 7. So you come into this year wanting to make that up to the guys in the room and try to finish what you started (knowing it doesn't help Bergeron and Krejci go out on a high). Then your name is out there as bait, and people are saying you nixed a trade."
He is paid well to shut the door late in games, and it is clearly becoming an issue here since last year's game 7. Not all on him or Swayman for sure, and mostly I put it on D, and to some degree the Forwards that are allowing the quality chances to happen, but... he has to stop them.
So they really have to look deep and ask the question. As good as this tandem is, is it good enough? If yes, how do you work it under the Cap? If no, can you make a trade and improve at other positions to lessen the pressure late in games so the quality chances are reduced. I don't know the answer, but I am not sure this 2 goalie set up is do-able cost wise over the next 3 to 4 years.
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 10, 2024 17:47:48 GMT
These guys know what they signed up for when they became pro athletes, trades are part of it. I do like Ullmark though, his personal back story is really inspiring for people going through the same issues, he also seems like a stand up guy, father and teammate. I also think he's a very good goaltender and the Bruins are lucky to have both him and Swayman. It would be great for the B's to be able to keep both but laying out $12 mil a year on goaltending is too much. I hope Ullmark & Swayman get to win a Cup together. True enough, but I really don't think you know what it's going to be like in the moment. In this case, you're coming off a huge personal performance high where you've been voted the best goalie in the league; you're in the third year of three with a team that just set a record for regular season performance, but you've lost two straight game sevens that came down to final minutes. And last year, plenty of people are on you for the loss because you didn't look right, you had probably the worst two weeks of the season, and you lost the net for game 7. So you come into this year wanting to make that up to the guys in the room and try to finish what you started (knowing it doesn't help Bergeron and Krejci go out on a high). Then your name is out there as bait, and people are saying you nixed a trade. I can see that being a big deal for a guy. But in the spirit of this thread, I'm glad that he's handling it this way instead of the 'hot take' bullshit where you pout to the media and say "well, if they don't want me then that's their problem..." or even just acting all butt-hurt like Markstrom. I like Ullmark, and I am not in the camp that says he HAS to go anywhere before his deal is up. Especially in this era of goalies where there are barely a handful of his calibre, proven or unproven. These playoffs are going to be very interesting. The narrative since last June has been that two #1 goalies is a "luxury" because the Bruins "need" a #1C. What if they do the tandem thing in the playoffs and go all the way, or even super deep? In the offseason, they bolster the D by dumping Forbort and Grz and come back with Lindholm-McAvoy, Lohrei-Carlo, Wotherspoon and a hard-hitting net clearing D? Pooter comes back healthy and 10 pounds heavier and stronger...and quicker...and lights it up in camp playing with Marchand and Frederic. Are you really going to move Ullmark for picks in that scenario, or do you take another run in Marchand's final year of his deal when you'll have a lot of your picks again? You've proven you don't need a #1C to win in this scenario, and you may actually be able to improve the C position without making a major move. Even after that...why is $10M too much to spend on goaltending? Especially with a $92 million cap. Say Ullmark, who will be 32 when the contract expires, is willing to take $3-4M over 2-3 years because he likes it in Boston and he and Swayman are cool with the arrangement. You'd be dedicating 12% of your Cap to goaltending, which means you are committed to being a team that is built from the net out. When Rask signed his $7M deal, he alone was costing them 10.9% of the Cap. So Tuukka and a veteran backup was always going to be approximately 12% of the Cap, minimum. I'm not advocating this, but I would be the Bruins have gameplanned it 4-5 years out and it's a competitive scenario based on who and how they might be able to acquire an improvement at top C. Good post and i'm not saying being traded makes it any easier because it's a reality of pro sports, they grow to love a city, wife and kids make friends, teammates and all that for sure is sometimes tough to leave. I would welcome a scenario where they could keep both guys but don't think it would be possible or if the B's brass is even thinking that way now.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 10, 2024 19:06:59 GMT
More like Moog/Lemelin who's teams didn't have the puck for 59 minutes. Closer comparison to today's goalie tandem is Andy and Réjean. Think they were better than Cheevers/Johnston. The tight squeeze of the NHL cap, a really good AHL goalie who needs there chance and teams offering draft picks the Bs don't have for a really good goalie. The realities of a business aspect. It's awesome how much Ullmark loves Boston and his teammates. I expect athletes to say that about Boston now. Compared to when Bill Russells house got shit on. Hope Ullmark comes back for visits. Beating out Swayman should be on Ullmarks mind the rest of the way. And it should be the only thing on his mind. Depends on a few things, but I don't think they're going to be squeezed by the Cap next year or for a little while. The only squeeze is on their ability to go out and acquire new, big dollar players, but I don't see there being a lot out there to get that they couldn't achieve with some maneuvering. Unless the Oil crap their pants on McDavid and Draisaitl. Most of the big money pieces on this team are signed for term right now. DeBrusk is up, and we'll see what happens there. Freddy and Geekie come up next year, and both are playing their way to raises. Freddy is UFA after next year, which is insane. But neither is going over the $5M mark. On D, the big three are locked up for years, Lohrei is still on his ELC for one more year before he goes RFA and will likely get paid. I expect that to be the top 4 for a while. Looks like Wotherspoon and Peake are your 5-6 going forward (I didn't realize Peake had term). All of that to say...they shouldn't be forced to let anyone walk because of the Cap. It will be difficult to find players to make them better unless that happens internally, but at some point that's true for every team. They'll have to give Fabio a shot. Hope that Merkulov continues to get better. Beecher. Locmelis. If Bussi is all that and a bag of chips, you can always trade him for picks, but I don't agree with the idea of making space for a player who you hope can develop into as good a player as the guy you traded for draft picks so that he'd get his chance. At Bussi's age, the risk is that he'd pull an Adin Hill - have one dynamite season in the NHL before becoming a UFA and signing elsewhere for almost $5M. If they have a move in their pocket that makes the team better but it requires that they move Ullmark, when I think you have to do it, but I wouldn't make the move because you feel pressure to do it on the business side. Then you're mis-judging any differences between Bussi-Swayze career. There is no reason to trade a good young goalie, under cap control for years, to keep Ullmark for one more year when the GM is yearning for draft picks in the 1st 3 rounds. Also you are seriously under estimating Sweeneys search for a #1 center after this season. Ullmark being gone helps tremendously. He's gone next summer if Boston keeps him for next season. Tell me the differences between Bussi and Swayman in the AHL ? "because you feel pressure to do it on the business side." The Cap and needing a center.
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Post by islamorada on Mar 10, 2024 19:50:55 GMT
These guys know what they signed up for when they became pro athletes, trades are part of it. I do like Ullmark though, his personal back story is really inspiring for people going through the same issues, he also seems like a stand up guy, father and teammate. I also think he's a very good goaltender and the Bruins are lucky to have both him and Swayman. It would be great for the B's to be able to keep both but laying out $12 mil a year on goaltending is too much. I hope Ullmark & Swayman get to win a Cup together. True enough, but I really don't think you know what it's going to be like in the moment. In this case, you're coming off a huge personal performance high where you've been voted the best goalie in the league; you're in the third year of three with a team that just set a record for regular season performance, but you've lost two straight game sevens that came down to final minutes. And last year, plenty of people are on you for the loss because you didn't look right, you had probably the worst two weeks of the season, and you lost the net for game 7. So you come into this year wanting to make that up to the guys in the room and try to finish what you started (knowing it doesn't help Bergeron and Krejci go out on a high). Then your name is out there as bait, and people are saying you nixed a trade. I can see that being a big deal for a guy. But in the spirit of this thread, I'm glad that he's handling it this way instead of the 'hot take' bullshit where you pout to the media and say "well, if they don't want me then that's their problem..." or even just acting all butt-hurt like Markstrom. I like Ullmark, and I am not in the camp that says he HAS to go anywhere before his deal is up. Especially in this era of goalies where there are barely a handful of his calibre, proven or unproven. These playoffs are going to be very interesting. The narrative since last June has been that two #1 goalies is a "luxury" because the Bruins "need" a #1C. What if they do the tandem thing in the playoffs and go all the way, or even super deep? In the offseason, they bolster the D by dumping Forbort and Grz and come back with Lindholm-McAvoy, Lohrei-Carlo, Wotherspoon and a hard-hitting net clearing D? Pooter comes back healthy and 10 pounds heavier and stronger...and quicker...and lights it up in camp playing with Marchand and Frederic. Are you really going to move Ullmark for picks in that scenario, or do you take another run in Marchand's final year of his deal when you'll have a lot of your picks again? You've proven you don't need a #1C to win in this scenario, and you may actually be able to improve the C position without making a major move. Even after that...why is $10M too much to spend on goaltending? Especially with a $92 million cap. Say Ullmark, who will be 32 when the contract expires, is willing to take $3-4M over 2-3 years because he likes it in Boston and he and Swayman are cool with the arrangement. You'd be dedicating 12% of your Cap to goaltending, which means you are committed to being a team that is built from the net out. When Rask signed his $7M deal, he alone was costing them 10.9% of the Cap. So Tuukka and a veteran backup was always going to be approximately 12% of the Cap, minimum. I'm not advocating this, but I would be the Bruins have gameplanned it 4-5 years out and it's a competitive scenario based on who and how they might be able to acquire an improvement at top C. My thoughts exactly! The business aspect is understood. The loyalty aspect is appreciated. When two goalies can work together as a "sub" team, well, why wouldn't management want to accommodate those two. Your analysis of the cost is a matter of personal business for both. Thanks for the clarity.
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Post by jmwalters on Mar 10, 2024 19:59:34 GMT
These guys know what they signed up for when they became pro athletes, trades are part of it. I do like Ullmark though, his personal back story is really inspiring for people going through the same issues, he also seems like a stand up guy, father and teammate. I also think he's a very good goaltender and the Bruins are lucky to have both him and Swayman. It would be great for the B's to be able to keep both but laying out $12 mil a year on goaltending is too much. I hope Ullmark & Swayman get to win a Cup together. True enough, but I really don't think you know what it's going to be like in the moment. In this case, you're coming off a huge personal performance high where you've been voted the best goalie in the league; you're in the third year of three with a team that just set a record for regular season performance, but you've lost two straight game sevens that came down to final minutes. And last year, plenty of people are on you for the loss because you didn't look right, you had probably the worst two weeks of the season, and you lost the net for game 7. So you come into this year wanting to make that up to the guys in the room and try to finish what you started (knowing it doesn't help Bergeron and Krejci go out on a high). Then your name is out there as bait, and people are saying you nixed a trade. I can see that being a big deal for a guy. But in the spirit of this thread, I'm glad that he's handling it this way instead of the 'hot take' bullshit where you pout to the media and say "well, if they don't want me then that's their problem..." or even just acting all butt-hurt like Markstrom. I like Ullmark, and I am not in the camp that says he HAS to go anywhere before his deal is up. Especially in this era of goalies where there are barely a handful of his calibre, proven or unproven. These playoffs are going to be very interesting. The narrative since last June has been that two #1 goalies is a "luxury" because the Bruins "need" a #1C. What if they do the tandem thing in the playoffs and go all the way, or even super deep? In the offseason, they bolster the D by dumping Forbort and Grz and come back with Lindholm-McAvoy, Lohrei-Carlo, Wotherspoon and a hard-hitting net clearing D? Pooter comes back healthy and 10 pounds heavier and stronger...and quicker...and lights it up in camp playing with Marchand and Frederic. Are you really going to move Ullmark for picks in that scenario, or do you take another run in Marchand's final year of his deal when you'll have a lot of your picks again? You've proven you don't need a #1C to win in this scenario, and you may actually be able to improve the C position without making a major move. Even after that...why is $10M too much to spend on goaltending? Especially with a $92 million cap. Say Ullmark, who will be 32 when the contract expires, is willing to take $3-4M over 2-3 years because he likes it in Boston and he and Swayman are cool with the arrangement. You'd be dedicating 12% of your Cap to goaltending, which means you are committed to being a team that is built from the net out. When Rask signed his $7M deal, he alone was costing them 10.9% of the Cap. So Tuukka and a veteran backup was always going to be approximately 12% of the Cap, minimum. I'm not advocating this, but I would be the Bruins have gameplanned it 4-5 years out and it's a competitive scenario based on who and how they might be able to acquire an improvement at top C. Depends on what happens post-season and into the off-season. If they are one and done in the playoffs and if they are serious about wanting to win a cup they will need to look beyond goaltending. Can't have everything. Sure they have $22m in cap space but need 7-8 roster players. So they aren't flush with cash, necessarily Also, they need the $$ to extend Grizz
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Post by MrHulot on Mar 12, 2024 4:25:52 GMT
www.nhl.com/news/topic/nhl-insider/linus-ullmark-happy-to-remain-with-bruins-after-trade-deadline
This is the link to the story. Fiberglassmask's link doesn't work.
But I don't care how teary, etc., Ullmark was/is.
He screwed up big time last spring. If you're not 100%, you need to tell your coach, period. He's a goalie, FFS. If he cannot move properly because of an injury or whatever it was, he has to let his "buddy" Swayman take over. But he didn't. That was selfish as fuck. How genuine is this guy?
His crocodile tears certainly aren't fooling me.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Mar 12, 2024 11:03:37 GMT
www.nhl.com/news/topic/nhl-insider/linus-ullmark-happy-to-remain-with-bruins-after-trade-deadline
This is the link to the story. Fiberglassmask's link doesn't work.
But I don't care how teary, etc., Ullmark was/is.
He screwed up big time last spring. If you're not 100%, you need to tell your coach, period. He's a goalie, FFS. If he cannot move properly because of an injury or whatever it was, he has to let his "buddy" Swayman take over. But he didn't. That was selfish as fuck. How genuine is this guy?
His crocodile tears certainly aren't fooling me.
Think more of the blame here should go on Monty for trusting Goalie Bob’s opinion on Linus’ status more than trusting his eyesight after witnessing Linus impersonate a beluga out of water in game five…. Not only did he look awful in the ot goal but you could also see the difficulty he had moving on the first goal….
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Post by MrHulot on Mar 12, 2024 15:16:00 GMT
www.nhl.com/news/topic/nhl-insider/linus-ullmark-happy-to-remain-with-bruins-after-trade-deadline
This is the link to the story. Fiberglassmask's link doesn't work.
But I don't care how teary, etc., Ullmark was/is.
He screwed up big time last spring. If you're not 100%, you need to tell your coach, period. He's a goalie, FFS. If he cannot move properly because of an injury or whatever it was, he has to let his "buddy" Swayman take over. But he didn't. That was selfish as fuck. How genuine is this guy?
His crocodile tears certainly aren't fooling me.
Think more of the blame here should go on Monty for trusting Goalie Bob’s opinion on Linus’ status more than trusting his eyesight after witnessing Linus impersonate a beluga out of water in game five…. Not only did he look awful in the ot goal but you could also see the difficulty he had moving on the first goal…. "A beluga out of water", nice way to put it.
I'd like to say I'm totally with you on this one; however, all this "we're brothers, best buddies, bff" talk about the relationship between the two Bruins goalies makes me think "why the heck didn't Ullmark admit he wasn't 100%?"
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Post by nitelite on Mar 12, 2024 15:43:53 GMT
These guys know what they signed up for when they became pro athletes, trades are part of it. I do like Ullmark though, his personal back story is really inspiring for people going through the same issues, he also seems like a stand up guy, father and teammate. I also think he's a very good goaltender and the Bruins are lucky to have both him and Swayman. It would be great for the B's to be able to keep both but laying out $12 mil a year on goaltending is too much. I hope Ullmark & Swayman get to win a Cup together. True enough, but I really don't think you know what it's going to be like in the moment. In this case, you're coming off a huge personal performance high where you've been voted the best goalie in the league; you're in the third year of three with a team that just set a record for regular season performance, but you've lost two straight game sevens that came down to final minutes. And last year, plenty of people are on you for the loss because you didn't look right, you had probably the worst two weeks of the season, and you lost the net for game 7. So you come into this year wanting to make that up to the guys in the room and try to finish what you started (knowing it doesn't help Bergeron and Krejci go out on a high). Then your name is out there as bait, and people are saying you nixed a trade. I can see that being a big deal for a guy. But in the spirit of this thread, I'm glad that he's handling it this way instead of the 'hot take' bullshit where you pout to the media and say "well, if they don't want me then that's their problem..." or even just acting all butt-hurt like Markstrom. I like Ullmark, and I am not in the camp that says he HAS to go anywhere before his deal is up. Especially in this era of goalies where there are barely a handful of his calibre, proven or unproven. These playoffs are going to be very interesting. The narrative since last June has been that two #1 goalies is a "luxury" because the Bruins "need" a #1C. What if they do the tandem thing in the playoffs and go all the way, or even super deep? In the offseason, they bolster the D by dumping Forbort and Grz and come back with Lindholm-McAvoy, Lohrei-Carlo, Wotherspoon and a hard-hitting net clearing D? Pooter comes back healthy and 10 pounds heavier and stronger...and quicker...and lights it up in camp playing with Marchand and Frederic. Are you really going to move Ullmark for picks in that scenario, or do you take another run in Marchand's final year of his deal when you'll have a lot of your picks again? You've proven you don't need a #1C to win in this scenario, and you may actually be able to improve the C position without making a major move. Even after that...why is $10M too much to spend on goaltending? Especially with a $92 million cap. Say Ullmark, who will be 32 when the contract expires, is willing to take $3-4M over 2-3 years because he likes it in Boston and he and Swayman are cool with the arrangement. You'd be dedicating 12% of your Cap to goaltending, which means you are committed to being a team that is built from the net out. When Rask signed his $7M deal, he alone was costing them 10.9% of the Cap. So Tuukka and a veteran backup was always going to be approximately 12% of the Cap, minimum. I'm not advocating this, but I would be the Bruins have gameplanned it 4-5 years out and it's a competitive scenario based on who and how they might be able to acquire an improvement at top C. To be quite honest I didn't blame Markstrom one fucking bit! The fact that ownership & not management stuck their nose where it didn't belong & stopped a trade from happening is complete bullshit! The fucking Leafs do this shit all the time where the team is basically run by a committee. Why have a management team if you're not going to allow them to come up with a game plan & use that game plan? Fuck the Flames ownership! Everything else in your post we're on the same page. I want the tandem to stay intact for the duration of Ully's contract. It's the one position where if one of them gets injured you KNOW that you have a another bonafide starter to carry the load. He doesn't have to rush back, he can actually take the time needed to heal completely. YOU don't have to go out & try to find a legit experienced goalie. Until I at least see Bussi play some games that matter in the NHL I'm not ready to say he's ready.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 12, 2024 16:17:25 GMT
True enough, but I really don't think you know what it's going to be like in the moment. In this case, you're coming off a huge personal performance high where you've been voted the best goalie in the league; you're in the third year of three with a team that just set a record for regular season performance, but you've lost two straight game sevens that came down to final minutes. And last year, plenty of people are on you for the loss because you didn't look right, you had probably the worst two weeks of the season, and you lost the net for game 7. So you come into this year wanting to make that up to the guys in the room and try to finish what you started (knowing it doesn't help Bergeron and Krejci go out on a high). Then your name is out there as bait, and people are saying you nixed a trade. I can see that being a big deal for a guy. But in the spirit of this thread, I'm glad that he's handling it this way instead of the 'hot take' bullshit where you pout to the media and say "well, if they don't want me then that's their problem..." or even just acting all butt-hurt like Markstrom. I like Ullmark, and I am not in the camp that says he HAS to go anywhere before his deal is up. Especially in this era of goalies where there are barely a handful of his calibre, proven or unproven. These playoffs are going to be very interesting. The narrative since last June has been that two #1 goalies is a "luxury" because the Bruins "need" a #1C. What if they do the tandem thing in the playoffs and go all the way, or even super deep? In the offseason, they bolster the D by dumping Forbort and Grz and come back with Lindholm-McAvoy, Lohrei-Carlo, Wotherspoon and a hard-hitting net clearing D? Pooter comes back healthy and 10 pounds heavier and stronger...and quicker...and lights it up in camp playing with Marchand and Frederic. Are you really going to move Ullmark for picks in that scenario, or do you take another run in Marchand's final year of his deal when you'll have a lot of your picks again? You've proven you don't need a #1C to win in this scenario, and you may actually be able to improve the C position without making a major move. Even after that...why is $10M too much to spend on goaltending? Especially with a $92 million cap. Say Ullmark, who will be 32 when the contract expires, is willing to take $3-4M over 2-3 years because he likes it in Boston and he and Swayman are cool with the arrangement. You'd be dedicating 12% of your Cap to goaltending, which means you are committed to being a team that is built from the net out. When Rask signed his $7M deal, he alone was costing them 10.9% of the Cap. So Tuukka and a veteran backup was always going to be approximately 12% of the Cap, minimum. I'm not advocating this, but I would be the Bruins have gameplanned it 4-5 years out and it's a competitive scenario based on who and how they might be able to acquire an improvement at top C. To be quite honest I didn't blame Markstrom one fucking bit! The fact that ownership & not management stuck their nose where it didn't belong & stopped a trade from happening is complete bullshit! The fucking Leafs do this shit all the time where the team is basically run by a committee. Why have a management team if you're not going to allow them to come up with a game plan & use that game plan? Fuck the Flames ownership! Everything else in your post we're on the same page. I want the tandem to stay intact for the duration of Ully's contract. It's the one position where if one of them gets injured you KNOW that you have a another bonafide starter to carry the load. He doesn't have to rush back, he can actually take the time needed to heal completely. YOU don't have to go out & try to find a legit experienced goalie. Until I at least see Bussi play some games that matter in the NHL I'm not ready to say he's ready. Yeah, I get that take on Markstrom. It's definitely fair. I'm just glad that Ullmark doesn't feel the same way.
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Post by fiberglassmask on Mar 12, 2024 16:20:53 GMT
Think more of the blame here should go on Monty for trusting Goalie Bob’s opinion on Linus’ status more than trusting his eyesight after witnessing Linus impersonate a beluga out of water in game five…. Not only did he look awful in the ot goal but you could also see the difficulty he had moving on the first goal…. "A beluga out of water", nice way to put it.
I'd like to say I'm totally with you on this one; however, all this "we're brothers, best buddies, bff" talk about the relationship between the two Bruins goalies makes me think "why the heck didn't Ullmark admit he wasn't 100%?"I’m going to say this from personal experience as well as knowing others who played at a high level… sometimes coaches don’t wanna hear you aren’t 100% and sometimes they hold it against you. This is a real thing. I believe the hardest job a coach has is to make the hard decisions both for the player (goaltender) and the club. The fact is, the goalie is expected to say, “I’m good, I want to play every game” whether it’s true or not. And it’s the coach’s job to say, “I’ve watched you all year.. you aren’t moving right… I’m making a change.” Especially in a case when a capable 1a was available. I’m sorry, but that series loss is on Monty.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 12, 2024 17:06:16 GMT
Depends on a few things, but I don't think they're going to be squeezed by the Cap next year or for a little while. The only squeeze is on their ability to go out and acquire new, big dollar players, but I don't see there being a lot out there to get that they couldn't achieve with some maneuvering. Unless the Oil crap their pants on McDavid and Draisaitl. Most of the big money pieces on this team are signed for term right now. DeBrusk is up, and we'll see what happens there. Freddy and Geekie come up next year, and both are playing their way to raises. Freddy is UFA after next year, which is insane. But neither is going over the $5M mark. On D, the big three are locked up for years, Lohrei is still on his ELC for one more year before he goes RFA and will likely get paid. I expect that to be the top 4 for a while. Looks like Wotherspoon and Peake are your 5-6 going forward (I didn't realize Peake had term). All of that to say...they shouldn't be forced to let anyone walk because of the Cap. It will be difficult to find players to make them better unless that happens internally, but at some point that's true for every team. They'll have to give Fabio a shot. Hope that Merkulov continues to get better. Beecher. Locmelis. If Bussi is all that and a bag of chips, you can always trade him for picks, but I don't agree with the idea of making space for a player who you hope can develop into as good a player as the guy you traded for draft picks so that he'd get his chance. At Bussi's age, the risk is that he'd pull an Adin Hill - have one dynamite season in the NHL before becoming a UFA and signing elsewhere for almost $5M. If they have a move in their pocket that makes the team better but it requires that they move Ullmark, when I think you have to do it, but I wouldn't make the move because you feel pressure to do it on the business side. Then you're mis-judging any differences between Bussi-Swayze career. There is no reason to trade a good young goalie, under cap control for years, to keep Ullmark for one more year when the GM is yearning for draft picks in the 1st 3 rounds. Also you are seriously under estimating Sweeneys search for a #1 center after this season. Ullmark being gone helps tremendously. He's gone next summer if Boston keeps him for next season. Tell me the differences between Bussi and Swayman in the AHL ? "because you feel pressure to do it on the business side." The Cap and needing a center. I said this when I first did the math, and JM repeated it here - but a lot depends on this year's playoffs. The arguments to move Ullmark all seem less valid if the Bruins have a deep run this year. 1. The Bruins need a #1C. That was the immediate reaction to Bergeron's retirement and then Krejci's. Well, 67 games into the season, they're the third best team in the league with the sixth most goals for. Why is a #1C so important? Easy comeback - let's see if they can score when it counts. Fair. But if they do, why is it urgent to go out and upgrade on Coyle-Zacha-Geekie-Pooter-Beecher/Boqvist? 2. Bruins need cap space. CapFriendly lists them as having about $21.6M to spend. But over the last few weeks, one of the things that I think we've seen is them more or less finalizing the blueline. All six guys who expect to start next year are accounted for before you get into that $21.6M. They need to sign Swayman, and we'll give him $7M because that's the conversation. $14.6M left. Call it $13.7M because that doesn't include Pooter. They have 9 NHL roster forwards on the books: Pastrnak, Marchand, Zacha, Coyle, Frederic, Geekie, Pooter, Beecher, Lauko and Brazeau. The only top 9 forward on the current roster who is not signed for next year is JDB. Maybe you include Heinen who has been pretty good for them all things considered. But you only need 3 forwards to round out the roster and maybe you want one more F and one more D with some space to make moves. JVR could come back at the same price, or you could hunt for another JVR - a veteran with some touch but also some flaws you think you can handle. Say you reward Heinen with $2M next year and settle on $5.5M with JDB. That's $8M total, so you still have $5.7M to carry a depth forward and a depth D. There's zero pressure there...IF this year's roster proves it can win a couple of rounds. If they flame out in round one or get schooled in round two, then you need cash for a #1C and that means you need the $4M delta between Ullmark and Bussi to pay him. But otherwise, you don't necessarily need to spend big money. They aren't at risk of losing anyone who is key to their current situation. 3. The Bruins want picks. Undoubtedly. The question is what are you trading Ullmark to get, because you aren't getting both a C and picks. The goalie market is just too soft; too many teams will take their chances on the next Adin Hill or even Alex Lyon. This one would come down to whether or not teams will give up a first plus for a goalie one year away from UFA. It also comes down to whether you feel you need to take from current success to feed future rosters. How urgently do they need those picks because they're back on the clock in 2025 and 2026. 4. The Bruins can have the same goaltending for less with Bussi/Swayman. The only answer to your question on Bussi v Sway in the A is 69(4) vs 14. FWIW, Sway played just 14 AHL games before they couldn't send him down. Bussi spent a bit of time in the ECHL, then has been #1 in Providence for two years. That's not worth a lot because the Bruins have had a very stable tandem and no reason to bring him up. You could also say that Bussi has no evidence that he can be good at the NHL level. We've seen AHL stars flounder one step up before. Case in point, Malcolm Subban's first two years in Providence, he played about the same number of games as Bussi (32 and 32 to date for Bussi; 33 and 35 for Subban), had a slightly better GAA than Bussi and like Bussi, a better than .920 s%. That guaranteed nothing in the NHL. But I haven't seen Bussi play enough to say if he's more likely to follow Subban or Swayman. What I will say is that if the argument is to control costs? Bussi is 26 in June. He is one year from UFA - all players are UFA at 27 regardless of experience (unless they have a contract). Bring him up for 2024-25, he probably takes a one or two year deal for $1M/yr. If he plays as well as Swayman did in his first year, though, he's walking for brighter lights elsewhere. I don't see a path to controlling him if he plays well. The positive feedback cycle of a strong playoff run here is that it might minimize the drive for a top C, which would alleviate the Cap pressure, which would give them the opportunity to think about other ways to rebuild the prospect pool, which might include trading a 26 yr old potential starter to a team that's willing to put him in a tandem and pay him accordingly to lock him up for 3-4 years for a couple of non-first round picks. But again, none of that works if they flame out. I don't think it matters how. If they give up a lot of goals, then no reason to try to keep the goalie tandem intact. If they can't score when it matters, then you have to give to get to address the most obvious roster flaw and remain cap compliant. And if they have to move something, might as well move a goalie one year from UFA when you have a 26 yr old minor leaguer excelling.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 12, 2024 17:07:42 GMT
"A beluga out of water", nice way to put it.
I'd like to say I'm totally with you on this one; however, all this "we're brothers, best buddies, bff" talk about the relationship between the two Bruins goalies makes me think "why the heck didn't Ullmark admit he wasn't 100%?" I’m going to say this from personal experience as well as knowing others who played at a high level… sometimes coaches don’t wanna hear you aren’t 100% and sometimes they hold it against you. This is a real thing. I believe the hardest job a coach has is to make the hard decisions both for the player (goaltender) and the club. The fact is, the goalie is expected to say, “I’m good, I want to play every game” whether it’s true or not. And it’s the coach’s job to say, “I’ve watched you all year.. you aren’t moving right… I’m making a change.” Especially in a case when a capable 1a was available. I’m sorry, but that series loss is on Monty. That's more or less it. I don't, however, extend this to JT Superstar and the 0-0-0. He should have made the call.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 12, 2024 17:21:24 GMT
One more thing about the Bruins goaltending pool. They've had wicked mojo with goalies for nearly two decades going back to grabbing Thomas off a scrap heap in Finland and then trading for an elite prospect also from Finland. Looks like they have a starter for a decade thanks to drafting Swayman, and getting Linus for nothing more than Cap space was huge. And getting Mikey DiPietro for Cap'n Jack (who can't make the Sharts roster) looks like another smart move because he has better stats than Bussi this year.
But...Like I said above, Bussi is 26 in June, and Pietro turns 25. Kyle Keyser, who has been bumped down by those two, is 25 as of last week. They are rapidly getting to the point where they aren't prospects. Svedeback is probably next on the list, and still in Providence (college), and then there's Reid Dyck who is having a career year in Swift Current. Those are the only two goalies the Bruins have drafted after Jeremy Swayman. They could be the tandem in Providence in two years with some combination of a call up, trades and FA defections turning over everyone else but J-Sway.
They don't have a lot of picks this year, but I wonder if they don't add at least one goalie, and possibly sign an NCAA UFA if they think they want to move on from Ullmark. That might be a sign that they've already decided, playoffs or no playoffs.
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Post by nitelite on Mar 12, 2024 17:44:10 GMT
To be quite honest I didn't blame Markstrom one fucking bit! The fact that ownership & not management stuck their nose where it didn't belong & stopped a trade from happening is complete bullshit! The fucking Leafs do this shit all the time where the team is basically run by a committee. Why have a management team if you're not going to allow them to come up with a game plan & use that game plan? Fuck the Flames ownership! Everything else in your post we're on the same page. I want the tandem to stay intact for the duration of Ully's contract. It's the one position where if one of them gets injured you KNOW that you have a another bonafide starter to carry the load. He doesn't have to rush back, he can actually take the time needed to heal completely. YOU don't have to go out & try to find a legit experienced goalie. Until I at least see Bussi play some games that matter in the NHL I'm not ready to say he's ready. Yeah, I get that take on Markstrom. It's definitely fair. I'm just glad that Ullmark doesn't feel the same way. I am glad of that too!
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Post by nitelite on Mar 12, 2024 18:20:28 GMT
www.nhl.com/news/topic/nhl-insider/linus-ullmark-happy-to-remain-with-bruins-after-trade-deadline
This is the link to the story. Fiberglassmask's link doesn't work.
But I don't care how teary, etc., Ullmark was/is.
He screwed up big time last spring. If you're not 100%, you need to tell your coach, period. He's a goalie, FFS. If he cannot move properly because of an injury or whatever it was, he has to let his "buddy" Swayman take over. But he didn't. That was selfish as fuck. How genuine is this guy?
His crocodile tears certainly aren't fooling me.
You're WAYYYY fucking off on this! If Ullmark has "any" competitive juices at all he'd saying he's good to go! It's completely up to the medical staff & coaches to decide whether or not he actually is! He's wasn't just an ordinary goalie. He was a Vezina candidate FFS. What did you want him to do? IF Linus would've pulled himself out of the series! How could he be designated to be the backup? I bet you put of all the games I've played in my life. I may have been 100% for maybe 30%! I never got paid much in my life to play, but I played where I needed c-shots, busted shoulders, knees black & blue from the puck hitting me on the inside of the pads, because the pads were designed differently & because of the style I played that was all exposed. The highest level I played was senior level, but fuck I remember needing my teammates to put my arm pads on for me because I could barely move my shoulders to get them on. Once the game started & the adrenaline kicked in. That helped, but I was only the starter playing on a rep team. Imagine playing in the Stanley Cup Playoff! Who knows when it's your last game or not? You RARELY allow the player to decide if he's good to go, because if he's any kind of hockey player 99% of the time he should say. "PUT ME IN COACH! IM READY TO PLAY!" You're talking out of your ass on this one just like you do about Pasta!
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Post by dannycater on Mar 12, 2024 18:56:21 GMT
www.nhl.com/news/topic/nhl-insider/linus-ullmark-happy-to-remain-with-bruins-after-trade-deadline
This is the link to the story. Fiberglassmask's link doesn't work.
But I don't care how teary, etc., Ullmark was/is.
He screwed up big time last spring. If you're not 100%, you need to tell your coach, period. He's a goalie, FFS. If he cannot move properly because of an injury or whatever it was, he has to let his "buddy" Swayman take over. But he didn't. That was selfish as fuck. How genuine is this guy?
His crocodile tears certainly aren't fooling me.
You're WAYYYY fucking off on this! If Ullmark has "any" competitive juices at all he'd saying he's good to go! It's completely up to the medical staff & coaches to decide whether or not he actually is! He's wasn't just an ordinary goalie. He was a Vezina candidate FFS. What did you want him to do? IF Linus would've pulled himself out of the series! How could he be designated to be the backup? I bet you put of all the games I've played in my life. I may have been 100% for maybe 30%! I never got paid much in my life to play, but I played where I needed c-shots, busted shoulders, knees black & blue from the puck hitting me on the inside of the pads, because the pads were designed differently & because of the style I played that was all exposed. The highest level I played was senior level, but fuck I remember needing my teammates to put my arm pads on for me because I could barely move my shoulders to get them on. Once the game started & the adrenaline kicked in. That helped, but I was only the starter playing on a rep team. Imagine playing in the Stanley Cup Playoff! Who knows when it's your last game or not? You RARELY allow the player to decide if he's good to go, because if he's any kind of hockey player 99% of the time he should say. "PUT ME IN COACH! IM READY TO PLAY!" You're talking out of your ass on this one just like you do about Pasta! This is true for all professional athletes. Former Sox JD Drew was a heckuva player but he got out of the lineup a lot due to one ailment, injury after another and he "drew" a reputation for being soft. When Clemens was taken out due to blister in the 86 game 6, there was a lot of debate about did he ask out or did McNamara simply pull him out...and then Pedro in 03, he kept going because Grady kept telling him one more batter, or didn't trust the bullpen...The players who want to play, play and go for it and whether it's bravado or what--ask Bergeron with broken ribs, and others with terrible injuries that they kept going in NHL playoffs and others who couldn't keep up their performance (Jumbo Joe in 04) due to injury...Bottom line, coach and medical staff have to step in and make decisions. If it's up to the player, most will play and a few may beg out. And I know that Bergeron was a warrior but he had no business returning with the B's up 3-1 in that Florida series--but the athlete in him said let's go! And it's up to the coach to say "let's not yet."
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 12, 2024 19:35:10 GMT
One more thing about the Bruins goaltending pool. They've had wicked mojo with goalies for nearly two decades going back to grabbing Thomas off a scrap heap in Finland and then trading for an elite prospect also from Finland. Looks like they have a starter for a decade thanks to drafting Swayman, and getting Linus for nothing more than Cap space was huge. And getting Mikey DiPietro for Cap'n Jack (who can't make the Sharts roster) looks like another smart move because he has better stats than Bussi this year. But...Like I said above, Bussi is 26 in June, and Pietro turns 25. Kyle Keyser, who has been bumped down by those two, is 25 as of last week. They are rapidly getting to the point where they aren't prospects. Svedeback is probably next on the list, and still in Providence (college), and then there's Reid Dyck who is having a career year in Swift Current. Those are the only two goalies the Bruins have drafted after Jeremy Swayman. They could be the tandem in Providence in two years with some combination of a call up, trades and FA defections turning over everyone else but J-Sway. They don't have a lot of picks this year, but I wonder if they don't add at least one goalie, and possibly sign an NCAA UFA if they think they want to move on from Ullmark. That might be a sign that they've already decided, playoffs or no playoffs. "You could also say that Bussi has no evidence that he can be good at the NHL" You had no evidence, Swayman was a lock in the NHL until after he played in the NHL. Age ? Nothing to do with it. Tim Thomas had garbage stats until after he returned from Europe. Reid Dyck and Dipietro will take over Providence for next year with Svedebäck coming after that. Sweeney has been doing great at getting his goalie signings to push up into Boston. And I would also say Bussi with his height and athleticism covered the net better in the AHL than Swayman. The case for keeping Ullmark another season and take up cap space just does not jive in ant way shape or form. Especially now that Sweeney knows teams will make offers for Ullmark. Gone at the draft.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Mar 12, 2024 19:43:09 GMT
I’m going to say this from personal experience as well as knowing others who played at a high level… sometimes coaches don’t wanna hear you aren’t 100% and sometimes they hold it against you. This is a real thing. I believe the hardest job a coach has is to make the hard decisions both for the player (goaltender) and the club. The fact is, the goalie is expected to say, “I’m good, I want to play every game” whether it’s true or not. And it’s the coach’s job to say, “I’ve watched you all year.. you aren’t moving right… I’m making a change.” Especially in a case when a capable 1a was available. I’m sorry, but that series loss is on Monty. That's more or less it. I don't, however, extend this to JT Superstar and the 0-0-0. He should have made the call. Then you would’ve hammered JT Superstar for not being able to suck it up and play….
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 12, 2024 19:55:17 GMT
You're WAYYYY fucking off on this! If Ullmark has "any" competitive juices at all he'd saying he's good to go! It's completely up to the medical staff & coaches to decide whether or not he actually is! He's wasn't just an ordinary goalie. He was a Vezina candidate FFS. What did you want him to do? IF Linus would've pulled himself out of the series! How could he be designated to be the backup? I bet you put of all the games I've played in my life. I may have been 100% for maybe 30%! I never got paid much in my life to play, but I played where I needed c-shots, busted shoulders, knees black & blue from the puck hitting me on the inside of the pads, because the pads were designed differently & because of the style I played that was all exposed. The highest level I played was senior level, but fuck I remember needing my teammates to put my arm pads on for me because I could barely move my shoulders to get them on. Once the game started & the adrenaline kicked in. That helped, but I was only the starter playing on a rep team. Imagine playing in the Stanley Cup Playoff! Who knows when it's your last game or not? You RARELY allow the player to decide if he's good to go, because if he's any kind of hockey player 99% of the time he should say. "PUT ME IN COACH! IM READY TO PLAY!" You're talking out of your ass on this one just like you do about Pasta! This is true for all professional athletes. Former Sox JD Drew was a heckuva player but he got out of the lineup a lot due to one ailment, injury after another and he "drew" a reputation for being soft. When Clemens was taken out due to blister in the 86 game 6, there was a lot of debate about did he ask out or did McNamara simply pull him out...and then Pedro in 03, he kept going because Grady kept telling him one more batter, or didn't trust the bullpen...The players who want to play, play and go for it and whether it's bravado or what--ask Bergeron with broken ribs, and others with terrible injuries that they kept going in NHL playoffs and others who couldn't keep up their performance (Jumbo Joe in 04) due to injury...Bottom line, coach and medical staff have to step in and make decisions. If it's up to the player, most will play and a few may beg out. And I know that Bergeron was a warrior but he had no business returning with the B's up 3-1 in that Florida series--but the athlete in him said let's go! And it's up to the coach to say "let's not yet." Bergeron came back and won 69% of his faceoffs and scored a PPG in game 5. If Ullmark doesn't give that one away, no one is questioning anything about the Captain coming back.
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