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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 15, 2024 22:25:22 GMT
Age has absolutely ZERO to do with Bussi being next in line to crack the goalie lineup. What's important is that for 2 years Bussi has proved his worth, up the Bruins goalie ladder, as did Swayman in the AHL. Bussi will be under good contract control for years as Swayman is the #1. That gives Boston money to do more throughout the roster. And Bussi is home grown in the Bruins system. I don't care how old Swayman was when he came ul and I won't when Bussi makes his way to Boston. Irrelevant. I think you're missing my point, and I think you are massively over-stating a few things. And I am not here to hate on Bussi. If they do trade Ullmark for a good return, I'll be pulling for him. I just think it's ass-backwards to move Ullmark just to make room for an AHL star. Jeremy Swayman did not spend 2 years proving his worth in the AHL. Jeremy Swayman played a grand total of 14 AHL games over two season. He has never played more games in the A than in the NHL in any season of his career. Jeremy Swayman proved himself in the NHL. When Swayman was in the A, he was statistically better than Bussi has been. In year one, as a 21 yr old, he played 9 games, went 8-1, had a .933s% and a 1.89 GAA; year 2, 5 games, 3-2, 2.18 GAA and .911 s%. Bussi was 5 games, 3-2, .920 and 2.54; 32 games, 22-5-4, .924 and 2.40; and this season he's 32, 18-9-3, .912 and 2.63. But comparing the two statistically probably doesn't mean much because Swayman's games played is almost too few to mean much statistically. What does matter to me is that Swayman came out of the NCAA already NHL ready at 21; so saying that Bussi's extra 4 years of development to get to someplace similar doesn't matter seems like you're reaching. Swayman got a chance to play in the NHL and was so good they didn't send him down again and basically mothballed Halak. Bussi hasn't been able to get a game yet even though both Ullmark and Swayman have missed stretches due to injury. Age matters because there is no scenario that avoids the fact Bussi is not under control after his next contract. He'll be a UFA after his next deal because he'll be over 27, so no, they will not have him under good control to create cap space for years. Unless his agent is a moron, Bussi is not signing anything longer than maybe a 2 year deal on the promise of being Swayman's backup in Boston. He probably wants a one year deal to prove himself and then follow the money. The Bruins, if they trade Ullmark, will want to lock him up for two. If they want him for longer, they'll have to pay more than typical rookie backup money. If he's good, he'll want a lot more. Boston will not have a lot of leverage with him. He's RFA, and as you say, he has proven himself to be a very good AHL goalie. His numbers over the last two years are close to, but not as good as Dustin Wolf (and Wolf is struggling as an NHL goalie, though, with just an .892s% through 8 starts). If Boston says they aren't going to sign him for fewer than 4 years (to pick a longer term), and they want to hold the line at $1.2M or something, Bussi can shop himself and take the best one year from anyone else in the league. Boston could then match to keep him, but he's a UFA after that. The Bruins can only force him to take low pay for post UFA age years if no other team is at all interested, and with the lack of goalies out there, that's not going to happen. So either you pay Bussi something over $2M at minimum - and more the longer you want to have him under contract - or you're at risk of losing him as a UFA at the same time as Ullmark goes to UFA. Nothing compared to bringing in a UFA vet backup money wise. And Bussis agent won't be in position to ask for more than money and then advise his client he has to get in the back of the line with another organization. It's in Bussi best interest to take backup money then start enough games to prove himself. It makes too much sense to keep a goalie the organization groomed than to go look for a reach around Johnson who would get more money than Bussi. Everything points to Bussi has earned a shot.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 15, 2024 22:39:34 GMT
I think you're missing my point, and I think you are massively over-stating a few things. And I am not here to hate on Bussi. If they do trade Ullmark for a good return, I'll be pulling for him. I just think it's ass-backwards to move Ullmark just to make room for an AHL star. Jeremy Swayman did not spend 2 years proving his worth in the AHL. Jeremy Swayman played a grand total of 14 AHL games over two season. He has never played more games in the A than in the NHL in any season of his career. Jeremy Swayman proved himself in the NHL. When Swayman was in the A, he was statistically better than Bussi has been. In year one, as a 21 yr old, he played 9 games, went 8-1, had a .933s% and a 1.89 GAA; year 2, 5 games, 3-2, 2.18 GAA and .911 s%. Bussi was 5 games, 3-2, .920 and 2.54; 32 games, 22-5-4, .924 and 2.40; and this season he's 32, 18-9-3, .912 and 2.63. But comparing the two statistically probably doesn't mean much because Swayman's games played is almost too few to mean much statistically. What does matter to me is that Swayman came out of the NCAA already NHL ready at 21; so saying that Bussi's extra 4 years of development to get to someplace similar doesn't matter seems like you're reaching. Swayman got a chance to play in the NHL and was so good they didn't send him down again and basically mothballed Halak. Bussi hasn't been able to get a game yet even though both Ullmark and Swayman have missed stretches due to injury. Age matters because there is no scenario that avoids the fact Bussi is not under control after his next contract. He'll be a UFA after his next deal because he'll be over 27, so no, they will not have him under good control to create cap space for years. Unless his agent is a moron, Bussi is not signing anything longer than maybe a 2 year deal on the promise of being Swayman's backup in Boston. He probably wants a one year deal to prove himself and then follow the money. The Bruins, if they trade Ullmark, will want to lock him up for two. If they want him for longer, they'll have to pay more than typical rookie backup money. If he's good, he'll want a lot more. Boston will not have a lot of leverage with him. He's RFA, and as you say, he has proven himself to be a very good AHL goalie. His numbers over the last two years are close to, but not as good as Dustin Wolf (and Wolf is struggling as an NHL goalie, though, with just an .892s% through 8 starts). If Boston says they aren't going to sign him for fewer than 4 years (to pick a longer term), and they want to hold the line at $1.2M or something, Bussi can shop himself and take the best one year from anyone else in the league. Boston could then match to keep him, but he's a UFA after that. The Bruins can only force him to take low pay for post UFA age years if no other team is at all interested, and with the lack of goalies out there, that's not going to happen. So either you pay Bussi something over $2M at minimum - and more the longer you want to have him under contract - or you're at risk of losing him as a UFA at the same time as Ullmark goes to UFA. Nothing compared to bringing in a UFA vet backup money wise. And Bussis agent won't be in position to ask for more than money and then advise his client he has to get in the back of the line with another organization. It's in Bussi best interest to take backup money then start enough games to prove himself. It makes too much sense to keep a goalie the organization groomed than to go look for a reach around Johnson who would get more money than Bussi. Everything points to Bussi has earned a shot. I just don't believe in trading proven players to give a guy a JOB. If that was the path they wanted to take, I'd have had him up and told Montgomery to play him when Ullmark was injured. I'd want at least a few NHL games to know he's not Malcolm Subban or Zano Insano. Yes, he's earned that. That's a "shot" to me. Move Ullmark and you're handing a player with zero NHL experience a job. Think you have to pick a side. Either Bussi has proven enough that the Bruins should move a Vezina winner to make room for him or he hasn't proven enough to go to the head of the line in a goalie-poor organization - at least the backup line. If he's an NHL goalie in waiting, someone will sign him with the promise of nothing less than a legit shot at an NHL job. I don't know where "a veteran backup" entered the mix, but the options we're discussing are Ullmark or Bussi. I thought the discussion was about whether you trade Ullmark because Bussi has earned a shot or you keep Ullmark because you don't need to trade him or don't like the return on the trades you're being offered. Because if someone came to the Bruins with a #1C for Ullmark, then I have no issue with trading him and giving Bussi that shot. But for the record, how much do you think NHL veteran backups make? Nedelkjovic, Reimer, Raanta, Copley, D'accord, Montembeault, Wedgewood, Talbot, Alex Lyon, Caden Primeau, Martin Jones ... and many others all make less than $1.5M and some less that a mil.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 15, 2024 22:58:46 GMT
Nothing compared to bringing in a UFA vet backup money wise. And Bussis agent won't be in position to ask for more than money and then advise his client he has to get in the back of the line with another organization. It's in Bussi best interest to take backup money then start enough games to prove himself. It makes too much sense to keep a goalie the organization groomed than to go look for a reach around Johnson who would get more money than Bussi. Everything points to Bussi has earned a shot. I just don't believe in trading proven players to give a guy a JOB. If that was the path they wanted to take, I'd have had him up and told Montgomery to play him when Ullmark was injured. I'd want at least a few NHL games to know he's not Malcolm Subban or Zano Insano. Yes, he's earned that. That's a "shot" to me. Move Ullmark and you're handing a player with zero NHL experience a job. Think you have to pick a side. Either Bussi has proven enough that the Bruins should move a Vezina winner to make room for him or he hasn't proven enough to go to the head of the line in a goalie-poor organization - at least the backup line. If he's an NHL goalie in waiting, someone will sign him with the promise of nothing less than a legit shot at an NHL job. I don't know where "a veteran backup" entered the mix, but the options we're discussing are Ullmark or Bussi. I thought the discussion was about whether you trade Ullmark because Bussi has earned a shot or you keep Ullmark because you don't need to trade him or don't like the return on the trades you're being offered. Because if someone came to the Bruins with a #1C for Ullmark, then I have no issue with trading him and giving Bussi that shot. But for the record, how much do you think NHL veteran backups make? Nedelkjovic, Reimer, Raanta, Copley, D'accord, Montembeault, Wedgewood, Talbot, Alex Lyon, Caden Primeau, Martin Jones ... and many others all make less than $1.5M and some less that a mil. "thought the discussion was about whether you trade Ullmark because Bussi has earned a shot" You thought wrong. It's been about the money and Sweeney have more cap flexibility. We are discussing two separate things. Who should get a shot backup next season and Swenson excepting a trade offet of Ullmark. How much NHL experience did Swayman and Ullmark before they got NHL starts ? Swayman got starts because Rask was retiring. If Ullmark or Swayman got hurt last season or this season Bussi gets more starts. I have maintained that you move Ullmark because you get your covered picks and you are relieved of a cap hit that can used to get a forward you couldn't fit cause of cap issues. Swayman is the starter right now. The longer Sweeney keeps Ullmark his value goes down. We absolutely do know DS was ready to move on. Makes all the sense to keep an in house developed goalie. Bruins goalie scouts haven't been wrong. You think Boston kept Bussi around to fill an AHL void ? None of those goalies made it without getting some look see starts. Bussi would get backup starts his 1st season. Swayman would get the bulk. "Nedelkjovic, Reimer, Raanta, Copley, D'accord, Montembeault, Wedgewood, Talbot, Alex Lyon, Caden Primeau, Martin Jones" I don't want those scrub retreads. I want someone that has been groomed by the organization.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 16, 2024 13:42:16 GMT
See what else they might want to add to the Ullmark trade before the draft.
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 16, 2024 14:12:33 GMT
Anyone know when these NHL NMC's take effect? I see that Dubois doesn't have a NMC for the 23-24 season but has one kick in for the 24-25 season going forward for 4 years. Is the NMC in effect from the time this season is over or when next season starts? I'm just trying to make sure he won't be available this summer, haha.
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Post by nitelite on Mar 16, 2024 20:02:03 GMT
Nothing compared to bringing in a UFA vet backup money wise. And Bussis agent won't be in position to ask for more than money and then advise his client he has to get in the back of the line with another organization. It's in Bussi best interest to take backup money then start enough games to prove himself. It makes too much sense to keep a goalie the organization groomed than to go look for a reach around Johnson who would get more money than Bussi. Everything points to Bussi has earned a shot. I just don't believe in trading proven players to give a guy a JOB. If that was the path they wanted to take, I'd have had him up and told Montgomery to play him when Ullmark was injured. I'd want at least a few NHL games to know he's not Malcolm Subban or Zano Insano. Yes, he's earned that. That's a "shot" to me. Move Ullmark and you're handing a player with zero NHL experience a job. Think you have to pick a side. Either Bussi has proven enough that the Bruins should move a Vezina winner to make room for him or he hasn't proven enough to go to the head of the line in a goalie-poor organization - at least the backup line. If he's an NHL goalie in waiting, someone will sign him with the promise of nothing less than a legit shot at an NHL job. I don't know where "a veteran backup" entered the mix, but the options we're discussing are Ullmark or Bussi. I thought the discussion was about whether you trade Ullmark because Bussi has earned a shot or you keep Ullmark because you don't need to trade him or don't like the return on the trades you're being offered. Because if someone came to the Bruins with a #1C for Ullmark, then I have no issue with trading him and giving Bussi that shot. But for the record, how much do you think NHL veteran backups make? Nedelkjovic, Reimer, Raanta, Copley, D'accord, Montembeault, Wedgewood, Talbot, Alex Lyon, Caden Primeau, Martin Jones ... and many others all make less than $1.5M and some less that a mil. I'm with you & your view 100 book. Thanks for even repeating some of the things I said. Like using Malcolm Subban is the perfect example of what Bussi looks like & what he could end up being. Both of us are one the same page on this one! Unless Donnie gets a high 1st Rd pick, or a #1 Center? I hope they ride out the tandem at least until Ully's deal is complete.
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Post by nitelite on Mar 16, 2024 20:20:41 GMT
I just don't believe in trading proven players to give a guy a JOB. If that was the path they wanted to take, I'd have had him up and told Montgomery to play him when Ullmark was injured. I'd want at least a few NHL games to know he's not Malcolm Subban or Zano Insano. Yes, he's earned that. That's a "shot" to me. Move Ullmark and you're handing a player with zero NHL experience a job. Think you have to pick a side. Either Bussi has proven enough that the Bruins should move a Vezina winner to make room for him or he hasn't proven enough to go to the head of the line in a goalie-poor organization - at least the backup line. If he's an NHL goalie in waiting, someone will sign him with the promise of nothing less than a legit shot at an NHL job. I don't know where "a veteran backup" entered the mix, but the options we're discussing are Ullmark or Bussi. I thought the discussion was about whether you trade Ullmark because Bussi has earned a shot or you keep Ullmark because you don't need to trade him or don't like the return on the trades you're being offered. Because if someone came to the Bruins with a #1C for Ullmark, then I have no issue with trading him and giving Bussi that shot. But for the record, how much do you think NHL veteran backups make? Nedelkjovic, Reimer, Raanta, Copley, D'accord, Montembeault, Wedgewood, Talbot, Alex Lyon, Caden Primeau, Martin Jones ... and many others all make less than $1.5M and some less that a mil. "thought the discussion was about whether you trade Ullmark because Bussi has earned a shot" You thought wrong. It's been about the money and Sweeney have more cap flexibility. We are discussing two separate things. Who should get a shot backup next season and Swenson excepting a trade offet of Ullmark. How much NHL experience did Swayman and Ullmark before they got NHL starts ? Swayman got starts because Rask was retiring. If Ullmark or Swayman got hurt last season or this season Bussi gets more starts. I have maintained that you move Ullmark because you get your covered picks and you are relieved of a cap hit that can used to get a forward you couldn't fit cause of cap issues. Swayman is the starter right now. The longer Sweeney keeps Ullmark his value goes down. We absolutely do know DS was ready to move on. Makes all the sense to keep an in house developed goalie. Bruins goalie scouts haven't been wrong. You think Boston kept Bussi around to fill an AHL void ? None of those goalies made it without getting some look see starts. Bussi would get backup starts his 1st season. Swayman would get the bulk. "Nedelkjovic, Reimer, Raanta, Copley, D'accord, Montembeault, Wedgewood, Talbot, Alex Lyon, Caden Primeau, Martin Jones" I don't want those scrub retreads. I want someone that has been groomed by the organization. Like Hannu Toivenin, John Graham, Rob Tallas, Kevin Keyser? Just to name a few. The only Bruins goalie that was groomed by the Bruins that had ANY true success was Tuukka! As book said Swayman wasn't even really groomed because he never played a full season in the NHL. So, as far as grooming goalies go? It hasn't really been the Bruins forte'! Not sure as to why you have such a hard on for Bussi when he hasn't played a single second of an NHL game that mattered yet. And you want to get rid a year removed Vezina Trophy winner for a completely unknown.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 16, 2024 22:06:40 GMT
"thought the discussion was about whether you trade Ullmark because Bussi has earned a shot" You thought wrong. It's been about the money and Sweeney have more cap flexibility. We are discussing two separate things. Who should get a shot backup next season and Swenson excepting a trade offet of Ullmark. How much NHL experience did Swayman and Ullmark before they got NHL starts ? Swayman got starts because Rask was retiring. If Ullmark or Swayman got hurt last season or this season Bussi gets more starts. I have maintained that you move Ullmark because you get your covered picks and you are relieved of a cap hit that can used to get a forward you couldn't fit cause of cap issues. Swayman is the starter right now. The longer Sweeney keeps Ullmark his value goes down. We absolutely do know DS was ready to move on. Makes all the sense to keep an in house developed goalie. Bruins goalie scouts haven't been wrong. You think Boston kept Bussi around to fill an AHL void ? None of those goalies made it without getting some look see starts. Bussi would get backup starts his 1st season. Swayman would get the bulk. "Nedelkjovic, Reimer, Raanta, Copley, D'accord, Montembeault, Wedgewood, Talbot, Alex Lyon, Caden Primeau, Martin Jones" I don't want those scrub retreads. I want someone that has been groomed by the organization. Like Hannu Toivenin, John Graham, Rob Tallas, Kevin Keyser? Just to name a few. The only Bruins goalie that was groomed by the Bruins that had ANY true success was Tuukka! As book said Swayman wasn't even really groomed because he never played a full season in the NHL. So, as far as grooming goalies go? It hasn't really been the Bruins forte'! Not sure as to why you have such a hard on for Bussi when he hasn't played a single second of an NHL game that mattered yet. And you want to get rid a year removed Vezina Trophy winner for a completely unknown. Bussi not having played yet in the NHL has nothing to do with his play in the AHL. You didn't read anything I've written about why I think Sweeney accepted the trade offer. It's about the Cao hit not Ullmark abilities. I defended his skills on the Swayman/Ullmark link for a year. Pretty surprising you couldn't pick that up. So it's not unknown. What freakin laugh the Bs goalies you mentioned. The Bruins' defense were horrible during their playing days, not like now or when Thomas and Tuukka played. Those goalies never really impressed at any pro level. They sucked. Speaking of Tuukka, glad you brought it up, if Rask stayed healthy Swayman stays in the AHL. He doesn't get called up. So he doesn't get NHL games. Not because of his play. Swayman would have only come up to play because of injuries. LoL "hard up" like your man crush on Thomas and your hatred for Rask when he too over when Thomas got traded but decided to retire ? Wanna go over that "hard up" history ?
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Post by nitelite on Mar 18, 2024 13:26:06 GMT
Like Hannu Toivenin, John Graham, Rob Tallas, Kevin Keyser? Just to name a few. The only Bruins goalie that was groomed by the Bruins that had ANY true success was Tuukka! As book said Swayman wasn't even really groomed because he never played a full season in the NHL. So, as far as grooming goalies go? It hasn't really been the Bruins forte'! Not sure as to why you have such a hard on for Bussi when he hasn't played a single second of an NHL game that mattered yet. And you want to get rid a year removed Vezina Trophy winner for a completely unknown. Bussi not having played yet in the NHL has nothing to do with his play in the AHL. You didn't read anything I've written about why I think Sweeney accepted the trade offer. It's about the Cao hit not Ullmark abilities. I defended his skills on the Swayman/Ullmark link for a year. Pretty surprising you couldn't pick that up. So it's not unknown. What freakin laugh the Bs goalies you mentioned. The Bruins' defense were horrible during their playing days, not like now or when Thomas and Tuukka played. Those goalies never really impressed at any pro level. They sucked. Speaking of Tuukka, glad you brought it up, if Rask stayed healthy Swayman stays in the AHL. He doesn't get called up. So he doesn't get NHL games. Not because of his play. Swayman would have only come up to play because of injuries. LoL "hard up" like your man crush on Thomas and your hatred for Rask when he too over when Thomas got traded but decided to retire ? Wanna go over that "hard up" history ? What I distinctly remember is how I said in the 2010 off season was how it wasn't "Tuukka Time" yet! I said that Thomas wasn't done & would be taking his job back now that his hip was healed. Not only did he take his job back, he had the 2nd best start to finish season for a goaltender since the 67' expansion. I also said that I wanted that the Rask/Thomas to stay intact too! I also vividly remember during that 2011 season that myself & someone named "Trytobearit" complaining how it seemed that the Bruins seemed to play very poorly whenever Rask was in the net that season. It was Rask only losing season in his career going 11-15. So just stop over blowing what I said. I never had an issue with Rask. I had an issue with saying he was better than Thomas at that juncture & that Rask was the #1 & HE CLEARLY WASN'T! You're choosing of Bussi to think he's going to be a decent NHL goalie because of his play in the AHL is extremely premature & wrong! He could very well be, but you're talking in absolutes & you're wrong in doing that too!
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 18, 2024 13:34:02 GMT
Anyone know when these NHL NMC's take effect? I see that Dubois doesn't have a NMC for the 23-24 season but has one kick in for the 24-25 season going forward for 4 years. Is the NMC in effect from the time this season is over or when next season starts? I'm just trying to make sure he won't be available this summer, haha. I believe the deadline is July 1st when the league year rolls over from 2023-24 to 24-25. For NMCs, I believe that's when they have to submit their lists.
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 18, 2024 13:44:57 GMT
Anyone know when these NHL NMC's take effect? I see that Dubois doesn't have a NMC for the 23-24 season but has one kick in for the 24-25 season going forward for 4 years. Is the NMC in effect from the time this season is over or when next season starts? I'm just trying to make sure he won't be available this summer, haha. I believe the deadline is July 1st when the league year rolls over from 2023-24 to 24-25. For NMCs, I believe that's when they have to submit their lists. Thanks Book, ok then i see the 2024 draft is June 28-29 so a deal for Dubois is possible.........oh no.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 18, 2024 13:55:18 GMT
Like Hannu Toivenin, John Graham, Rob Tallas, Kevin Keyser? Just to name a few. The only Bruins goalie that was groomed by the Bruins that had ANY true success was Tuukka! As book said Swayman wasn't even really groomed because he never played a full season in the NHL. So, as far as grooming goalies go? It hasn't really been the Bruins forte'! Not sure as to why you have such a hard on for Bussi when he hasn't played a single second of an NHL game that mattered yet. And you want to get rid a year removed Vezina Trophy winner for a completely unknown. Bussi not having played yet in the NHL has nothing to do with his play in the AHL. You didn't read anything I've written about why I think Sweeney accepted the trade offer. It's about the Cao hit not Ullmark abilities. I defended his skills on the Swayman/Ullmark link for a year. Pretty surprising you couldn't pick that up. So it's not unknown. What freakin laugh the Bs goalies you mentioned. The Bruins' defense were horrible during their playing days, not like now or when Thomas and Tuukka played. Those goalies never really impressed at any pro level. They sucked. Speaking of Tuukka, glad you brought it up, if Rask stayed healthy Swayman stays in the AHL. He doesn't get called up. So he doesn't get NHL games. Not because of his play. Swayman would have only come up to play because of injuries. LoL "hard up" like your man crush on Thomas and your hatred for Rask when he too over when Thomas got traded but decided to retire ? Wanna go over that "hard up" history ? So this is why we're having parallel conversations. Not knowing what Sweeney was getting in that trade, I'm not willing to concede that he was making the trade to move on from Ullmark. The Bruins are apparently pretty close to Lamourello/Yzerman territory in being close-lipped, and apparently the Kings were pissed that their name got out as part of the whole thing, too. I have also heard from the more journalistic reporters that it wasn't confirmed that Ullmark had blocked a trade, and if you go back to whatever's in print on line, the original story reporting was nothing more than Kevin Weekes tweeting that it had happened and Servali saying it was the Kings. Freidman then followed up to say the Bruins discussed him with multiple teams, and reportedly asked him to waive to a team on his NMC list. Lots of nebula there. It sounds to me like Sweeney may have put Ullmark on the table in pursuit of a top C who would upgrade the team. Could even be as simple as they discussed a deal with Calgary for Lindholm that could have included Ullmark if the Flames wanted to trade Markstrom, and then word's out that the Bruins are discussing Ullmark. Regardless of how they got into the conversations, only one team got over the bar (Byfield?). The Bruins chose not to move Ullmark to any of the other teams. Friedman says the discussions got pushed to the summer. I still think there are two paths for them depending on how the playoffs play out. If they like how it goes, there's plenty of precedent for dedicating 12% of the cap to goaltending whether it's one superstar like Vagisil or Bob or Price or Rask or a pair like Linus and Sway. If they don't, they've done a lot of groundwork for those summer deals. Could be that they didn't make the deal now because the trade partner wanted to give up futures and Sweeney said he's not doing that and undermining a top 5 team before the playoffs. But I hope he applies that same logic unless he's getting a Toronto/Kessel type of deal where he could end up in the top of lottery if things go south.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 18, 2024 14:12:21 GMT
I believe the deadline is July 1st when the league year rolls over from 2023-24 to 24-25. For NMCs, I believe that's when they have to submit their lists. Thanks Book, ok then i see the 2024 draft is June 28-29 so a deal for Dubois is possible.........oh no. I don't think they'd do that. I really don't. Coyle is 23-31-54 and +4. He has 41 points at ES and plays just over 18 minutes a night in all situations. He's just over 51% at the dot. Zacha is 17-29-46 and + 8. He has 32 ES points in just over 18 minutes. He's close to 55% at the dot. Geekie is 16-18-34 and +8. 24 ES points, 15:20 a night and just over 42% at the dot. Petey La Douche is 15-16-31 and -16. He has 24 ES points, plays just under 16 min a night and is under 50% at the dot. That means he's comparable to what they're getting for less than 1/4 of his cap hit from Morgan Geekie, but with slightly better faceoff performance. I suspect there's a valid enough argument that PLD is again unhappy in his circumstances in LA playing behind Kopitar and Danault. He surely expected to play more than Geekie minutes. So another team might once again step in and say hey, we think we can unlock the guy's potential and pick him up...but I think it is FAR more likely that the Kings are stuck with him unless they eat $4.25M for the next 7 years, and even then, I think it's unlikely that the team acquiring him pays a price as high as a Vezina level goalie.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 19, 2024 17:45:18 GMT
Bussi not having played yet in the NHL has nothing to do with his play in the AHL. You didn't read anything I've written about why I think Sweeney accepted the trade offer. It's about the Cao hit not Ullmark abilities. I defended his skills on the Swayman/Ullmark link for a year. Pretty surprising you couldn't pick that up. So it's not unknown. What freakin laugh the Bs goalies you mentioned. The Bruins' defense were horrible during their playing days, not like now or when Thomas and Tuukka played. Those goalies never really impressed at any pro level. They sucked. Speaking of Tuukka, glad you brought it up, if Rask stayed healthy Swayman stays in the AHL. He doesn't get called up. So he doesn't get NHL games. Not because of his play. Swayman would have only come up to play because of injuries. LoL "hard up" like your man crush on Thomas and your hatred for Rask when he too over when Thomas got traded but decided to retire ? Wanna go over that "hard up" history ? What I distinctly remember is how I said in the 2010 off season was how it wasn't "Tuukka Time" yet! I said that Thomas wasn't done & would be taking his job back now that his hip was healed. Not only did he take his job back, he had the 2nd best start to finish season for a goaltender since the 67' expansion. I also said that I wanted that the Rask/Thomas to stay intact too! I also vividly remember during that 2011 season that myself & someone named "Trytobearit" complaining how it seemed that the Bruins seemed to play very poorly whenever Rask was in the net that season. It was Rask only losing season in his career going 11-15. So just stop over blowing what I said. I never had an issue with Rask. I had an issue with saying he was better than Thomas at that juncture & that Rask was the #1 & HE CLEARLY WASN'T! You're choosing of Bussi to think he's going to be a decent NHL goalie because of his play in the AHL is extremely premature & wrong! He could very well be, but you're talking in absolutes & you're wrong in doing that too! You're right I shouldn't talk in absolutes -no sarcasm-
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 19, 2024 19:37:16 GMT
What I distinctly remember is how I said in the 2010 off season was how it wasn't "Tuukka Time" yet! I said that Thomas wasn't done & would be taking his job back now that his hip was healed. Not only did he take his job back, he had the 2nd best start to finish season for a goaltender since the 67' expansion. I also said that I wanted that the Rask/Thomas to stay intact too! I also vividly remember during that 2011 season that myself & someone named "Trytobearit" complaining how it seemed that the Bruins seemed to play very poorly whenever Rask was in the net that season. It was Rask only losing season in his career going 11-15. So just stop over blowing what I said. I never had an issue with Rask. I had an issue with saying he was better than Thomas at that juncture & that Rask was the #1 & HE CLEARLY WASN'T! You're choosing of Bussi to think he's going to be a decent NHL goalie because of his play in the AHL is extremely premature & wrong! He could very well be, but you're talking in absolutes & you're wrong in doing that too! You're right I shouldn't talk in absolutes -no sarcasm- Absolutely no absolutes !
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 19, 2024 21:29:01 GMT
You're right I shouldn't talk in absolutes -no sarcasm- Absolutely no absolutes ! I should have put an * or two ** just in case I wanted to take it back.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 19, 2024 21:36:07 GMT
Bussi not having played yet in the NHL has nothing to do with his play in the AHL. You didn't read anything I've written about why I think Sweeney accepted the trade offer. It's about the Cao hit not Ullmark abilities. I defended his skills on the Swayman/Ullmark link for a year. Pretty surprising you couldn't pick that up. So it's not unknown. What freakin laugh the Bs goalies you mentioned. The Bruins' defense were horrible during their playing days, not like now or when Thomas and Tuukka played. Those goalies never really impressed at any pro level. They sucked. Speaking of Tuukka, glad you brought it up, if Rask stayed healthy Swayman stays in the AHL. He doesn't get called up. So he doesn't get NHL games. Not because of his play. Swayman would have only come up to play because of injuries. LoL "hard up" like your man crush on Thomas and your hatred for Rask when he too over when Thomas got traded but decided to retire ? Wanna go over that "hard up" history ? So this is why we're having parallel conversations. Not knowing what Sweeney was getting in that trade, I'm not willing to concede that he was making the trade to move on from Ullmark. The Bruins are apparently pretty close to Lamourello/Yzerman territory in being close-lipped, and apparently the Kings were pissed that their name got out as part of the whole thing, too. I have also heard from the more journalistic reporters that it wasn't confirmed that Ullmark had blocked a trade, and if you go back to whatever's in print on line, the original story reporting was nothing more than Kevin Weekes tweeting that it had happened and Servali saying it was the Kings. Freidman then followed up to say the Bruins discussed him with multiple teams, and reportedly asked him to waive to a team on his NMC list. Lots of nebula there. It sounds to me like Sweeney may have put Ullmark on the table in pursuit of a top C who would upgrade the team. Could even be as simple as they discussed a deal with Calgary for Lindholm that could have included Ullmark if the Flames wanted to trade Markstrom, and then word's out that the Bruins are discussing Ullmark. Regardless of how they got into the conversations, only one team got over the bar (Byfield?). The Bruins chose not to move Ullmark to any of the other teams. Friedman says the discussions got pushed to the summer. I still think there are two paths for them depending on how the playoffs play out. If they like how it goes, there's plenty of precedent for dedicating 12% of the cap to goaltending whether it's one superstar like Vagisil or Bob or Price or Rask or a pair like Linus and Sway. If they don't, they've done a lot of groundwork for those summer deals. Could be that they didn't make the deal now because the trade partner wanted to give up futures and Sweeney said he's not doing that and undermining a top 5 team before the playoffs. But I hope he applies that same logic unless he's getting a Toronto/Kessel type of deal where he could end up in the top of lottery if things go south. I am in the belief that teams came to Sweeney about Ullmark. And as Fitty and I have discussed ad nausem. It had to have been something outstanding as far as the offer. Me thinks it was pics and a player. Interestingly enough I am seeing more Bruins fans on HF and Twitter that wouldn't have issue with trading Swayman instead of Ullmark. Linus has time to do something.
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Post by dannycater on Mar 20, 2024 14:55:25 GMT
I have never been in the Sway is the end all goalie that so many in here believe him to be...I say Ullmark has been that more so and even though he's had an off season after a Vezina, his recent work continues to say to me what I thought before--35 has a hold the fort, show stopping ability, and when he doesn't flop, he's as good as there is out there. When is Sway going to have a shut down game? Hasn't happened but once since the All-Star Game..his best stretch of goaltending really was the time when 35 was hurt and he played 5 or 6 straight...
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Post by fiberglassmask on Mar 20, 2024 15:50:49 GMT
I have never been in the Sway is the end all goalie that so many in here believe him to be...I say Ullmark has been that more so and even though he's had an off season after a Vezina, his recent work continues to say to me what I thought before--35 has a hold the fort, show stopping ability, and when he doesn't flop, he's as good as there is out there. When is Sway going to have a shut down game? Hasn't happened but once since the All-Star Game..his best stretch of goaltending really was the time when 35 was hurt and he played 5 or 6 straight... Last night I couldnt help but think of Ullmark vs Swayman on a number of goals that felt like could have gone in with Sway these days. There were no out of position weird bad looking goals, and even though Ottawa was all over them at times, Ullmark kept his composure and filled the net. That one save he made that was called the Save of the Game, he just played that perfectly and he looked 6x4 out there. I do like Sway a lot, always have, but right now it’s hard to not consider how much more the Bs could get in trade for Swayman than Ullmark. And if the team was to turn Sway into a #1 C, including not having to give him the pending big contract, and wind up with Ully as a consolation prize? Worse results could happen. I’m a bit undecided, but I’m liking the big guy back there. I can suspend my pain from last year’s playoff with the excuse… er, reason that he was injured. The jury is still out for me. Change my mind.
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Post by chappy28 on Mar 20, 2024 16:40:24 GMT
I have never been in the Sway is the end all goalie that so many in here believe him to be...I say Ullmark has been that more so and even though he's had an off season after a Vezina, his recent work continues to say to me what I thought before--35 has a hold the fort, show stopping ability, and when he doesn't flop, he's as good as there is out there. When is Sway going to have a shut down game? Hasn't happened but once since the All-Star Game..his best stretch of goaltending really was the time when 35 was hurt and he played 5 or 6 straight... Last night I couldnt help but think of Ullmark vs Swayman on a number of goals that felt like could have gone in with Sway these days. There were no out of position weird bad looking goals, and even though Ottawa was all over them at times, Ullmark kept his composure and filled the net. That one save he made that was called the Save of the Game, he just played that perfectly and he looked 6x4 out there. I do like Sway a lot, always have, but right now it’s hard to not consider how much more the Bs could get in trade for Swayman than Ullmark. And if the team was to turn Sway into a #1 C, including not having to give him the pending big contract, and wind up with Ully as a consolation prize? Worse results could happen. I’m a bit undecided, but I’m liking the big guy back there. I can suspend my pain from last year’s playoff with the excuse… er, reason that he was injured. The jury is still out for me. Change my mind. I think everybody has their preference and to be honest it's between two very good goalies. The only way we lose is if one of them ends up walking for nothing. As long as Donny makes a trade, I don't care which one it is. We need young high-end talent and the best way to get it is high draft picks. One of those goalies is going to turn into a first round pick. Best case scenario is it's a first round pick from a terrible team
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