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Post by islamorada on Dec 19, 2023 16:29:23 GMT
Yes from the games that I've watched Lysell tries to go 1 on 2 or even 1 on 3. I have zero issue with this particular play though. Although I agree with the coach's analysis on the importance of team play, I also believe he is not going to be a defensive player. Pasta frustrates when he goes on a whirlwind tour into the offensive zone without considering the other players. He does it less and less now. Will Fabian do the same? His experience in Sweden seems to be a precursor. Swedes learn skills first, less game situation, and emphasize defense. With the coach's remark, he should continue to be in Providence.
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Post by nitelite on Dec 19, 2023 16:41:50 GMT
Yes from the games that I've watched Lysell tries to go 1 on 2 or even 1 on 3. I have zero issue with this particular play though. Although I agree with the coach's analysis on the importance of team play, I also believe he is not going to be a defensive player. Pasta frustrates when he goes on a whirlwind tour into the offensive zone without considering the other players. He does it less and less now. Will Fabian do the same? His experience in Sweden seems to be a precursor. Swedes learn skills first, less game situation, and emphasize defense. With the coach's remark, he should continue to be in Providence. There's A MASSIVE difference with Pasta Is! The is in the upper echelon of goal scorers! Pasta ALSO made an immediate impact when he came into the league! Has a Rockey trophy to his name & also has Hart votes the past 3 seasons I don't think throwing Pasta's name around in this situation is relevant here. Lysell from what I seen is another prospect that may NEVER be anything more than a major disappointment.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Dec 19, 2023 17:26:36 GMT
Yes from the games that I've watched Lysell tries to go 1 on 2 or even 1 on 3. I have zero issue with this particular play though. I wonder if that contributes to his getting injured a bit more often? Bigger older AHL lifers who live to line skinny whittle Euro players. Lysell should watch how Marchand has made a living at slipping hits.
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Post by islamorada on Dec 19, 2023 17:44:51 GMT
Although I agree with the coach's analysis on the importance of team play, I also believe he is not going to be a defensive player. Pasta frustrates when he goes on a whirlwind tour into the offensive zone without considering the other players. He does it less and less now. Will Fabian do the same? His experience in Sweden seems to be a precursor. Swedes learn skills first, less game situation, and emphasize defense. With the coach's remark, he should continue to be in Providence. There's A MASSIVE difference with Pasta Is! The is in the upper echelon of goal scorers! Pasta ALSO made an immediate impact when he came into the league! Has a Rockey trophy to his name & also has Hart votes the past 3 seasons I don't think throwing Pasta's name around in this situation is relevant here. Lysell from what I seen is another prospect that may NEVER be anything more than a major disappointment. . My reference was not Pasta as a whole package but his one on four forays into the offensive zone. I think I know the difference between the two players. Throwing around is the repetitive posts you have about how Bs are not that good. No shit, we all know the weakness of the team, center. Of course if we are wrong we can forget the “throwing” commentary. Relax, I know enough of the game of hockey. I respect most your commentary on goalies and generally hockey on a daily basis.
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Post by The OC on Dec 19, 2023 18:00:08 GMT
There's A MASSIVE difference with Pasta Is! The is in the upper echelon of goal scorers! Pasta ALSO made an immediate impact when he came into the league! Has a Rockey trophy to his name & also has Hart votes the past 3 seasons I don't think throwing Pasta's name around in this situation is relevant here. Lysell from what I seen is another prospect that may NEVER be anything more than a major disappointment. . My reference was not Pasta as a whole package but his one on four forays into the offensive zone. I think I know the difference between the two players. Throwing around is the repetitive posts you have about how Bs are not that good. No shit, we all know the weakness of the team, center. Of course if we are wrong we can forget the “throwing” commentary. Relax, I know enough of the game of hockey. I respect most your commentary on goalies and generally hockey on a daily basis. No no, you name dropped Pasta. That automatically means you think he's better than Pasta and will score 95 goals.
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Post by islamorada on Dec 19, 2023 18:23:43 GMT
. My reference was not Pasta as a whole package but his one on four forays into the offensive zone. I think I know the difference between the two players. Throwing around is the repetitive posts you have about how Bs are not that good. No shit, we all know the weakness of the team, center. Of course if we are wrong we can forget the “throwing” commentary. Relax, I know enough of the game of hockey. I respect most your commentary on goalies and generally hockey on a daily basis. No no, you name dropped Pasta. That automatically means you think he's better than Pasta and will score 95 goals. I also mentioned Fabio’s Swedish experiences as being indicative of his now doubted qualities as a defensive player. I’ve been putting up with this stupid 100 day cough now I have endure “pasta” plastering. On a different discussion for another thread, your early preseason views on Geekie are becoming evident! Good day!
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Post by The OC on Dec 19, 2023 19:25:21 GMT
No no, you name dropped Pasta. That automatically means you think he's better than Pasta and will score 95 goals. I also mentioned Fabio’s Swedish experiences as being indicative of his now doubted qualities as a defensive player. I’ve been putting up with this stupid 100 day cough now I have endure “pasta” plastering. On a different discussion for another thread, your early preseason views on Geekie are becoming evident! Good day! Thanks, the Geek is making the most of his increased opportunity. I hope the sarcasm on my previous post was evident.
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Post by #4 Bobby Orr! GOAT! on Dec 19, 2023 19:58:13 GMT
Pasta had 27 points his first 50 and 26 his next 50 while being allowed to wheel and deal. He got sat some as well but he was allowed to be Pasta.
Lysell was moving with speed to the net this part I like. A drop pass there would have been stupid and the ones he hadn’t beat were between him and most of the players. Take the speed to the net
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Post by The OC on Dec 19, 2023 21:02:20 GMT
For what it's worth on Lysell, I was happy to see him rushing end to end to the net. In camp his biggest problem seemed to be a lack of confidence. He kept passing off the puck. Not a single rush I can remember, which is sad for a guy who supposedly has jets like McDavid. I think Bruins management needs to make it clear to him what they want from him.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Dec 19, 2023 21:30:46 GMT
Yes from the games that I've watched Lysell tries to go 1 on 2 or even 1 on 3. I have zero issue with this particular play though. Although I agree with the coach's analysis on the importance of team play, I also believe he is not going to be a defensive player. Pasta frustrates when he goes on a whirlwind tour into the offensive zone without considering the other players. He does it less and less now. Will Fabian do the same? His experience in Sweden seems to be a precursor. Swedes learn skills first, less game situation, and emphasize defense. With the coach's remark, he should continue to be in Providence. If Lysell goes on a massive extended scoring streak and the Bruins continue on their scoring drought. That should force a callup. Lysell does get back on D. Dmen van find him to get the puck out. He needs to force Gold and Sweeney to call him up.
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Post by #4 Bobby Orr! GOAT! on Dec 22, 2023 18:43:23 GMT
Merk is the guy definitely deserving a call up.
Has points in 9 of 11 for 7 goals and 8 assists
He is lighting it up.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Dec 23, 2023 0:08:28 GMT
That sucks.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Dec 27, 2023 13:59:53 GMT
To the USHL cause yah don't want to hit the books.
Here's Doms mid-season prospect report.
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Post by chappy28 on Dec 27, 2023 18:56:03 GMT
To the USHL cause yah don't want to hit the books. Here's Doms mid-season prospect report. What I don't get about the Spicer thing is why did this kid go the college route? Doesn't he (or his parents for that matter) understand that there is a path to the NHL that doesn't involve going to class and making the grade to get on the ice? Go to Canadian Juniors for crying out loud. To stupid to do what the stupid kids know they should do. What a ridiculous reason to hinder your own development and NHL aspirations. Perhaps it's not that big of a deal, or perhaps he was never going to make it anyways, just seems so senseless. Being a stud D1 athlete at a state school isn't that hard if you are willing to put in some amount of effort to go to and eventually pass class. I highly doubt this is a good sign in the eyes of the B's either. Shows a severe lack of discipline. I'm guessing he wasn't pre-med and just couldn't grasp organic chemistry.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Dec 27, 2023 22:08:54 GMT
To the USHL cause yah don't want to hit the books. Here's Doms mid-season prospect report. What I don't get about the Spicer thing is why did this kid go the college route? Doesn't he (or his parents for that matter) understand that there is a path to the NHL that doesn't involve going to class and making the grade to get on the ice? Go to Canadian Juniors for crying out loud. To stupid to do what the stupid kids know they should do. What a ridiculous reason to hinder your own development and NHL aspirations. Perhaps it's not that big of a deal, or perhaps he was never going to make it anyways, just seems so senseless. Being a stud D1 athlete at a state school isn't that hard if you are willing to put in some amount of effort to go to and eventually pass class. I highly doubt this is a good sign in the eyes of the B's either. Shows a severe lack of discipline. I'm guessing he wasn't pre-med and just couldn't grasp organic chemistry. Totally agree on the parents point. If a kid has not shown that they dont like studying, had poor grades or have struggled there whole life with memory, attention span or just not that bright. Spicers parents should have pointed to the CHL. There is talk he might go to the WHL.
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Post by badhabitude on Jan 2, 2024 15:33:29 GMT
A few points on Spicer.
Back in 1978, D3 hockey for me - the coach talked to professors about letting me slide. Didn't help, I still flunked out. But the point is D fucking 3 hockey and the coach was trying to bend the academic rules? So I'm thinking in this day and age? And D1? Makes me think Spicer is REALLY fucking up and giving no effort. Because they would do all they can to help him through, after all UMD doesn't have this stunning academic reputation to keep, so sounds like he's learned from an NHL player PERFECTLY - that player being Tyler Seguin.
Second thing is that one guy I know who played D1 hockey hated the college experience, he said zero fun. Practice and hit the books with no free time at all. From what it sounds like the guys player in junior have a way easier life. So maybe he had good intentions, but the reality of the hard work was too much.
And I finish with a question - does anyone remember anyone who got the boot for academics?
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Post by badhabitude on Jan 2, 2024 15:42:38 GMT
Totally agree on the parents point. If a kid has not shown that they dont like studying, had poor grades or have struggled there whole life with memory, attention span or just not that bright. Spicers parents should have pointed to the CHL. There is talk he might go to the WHL. One note on this - and I can point to myself as an example, I didn't take a college scholarship (soccer), the coach talked to my parents who were totally uneducated and said to the coach it was my decision alone. I thought scholarships grew on trees and I thought I would have multiple offers, being a stupid fucking kid. I had no one around to give good advice, and no adults that would sit down and have an intelligent conversation about this. Do I ever regret that, but I didn't know anything. And my parents knew even less. Maybe, I don't know, but maybe Spicer's parents were clueless and/or delusional or -something <fill in the blank>.
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Post by dannycater on Jan 2, 2024 16:11:19 GMT
You don't and can't blame parents for a student-athlete failing...I work in education field (athletics) and I have seen almost EXCLUSIVELY...super-star student-athletes who are the ones who "fail." ...it's not parenting. It's the student-athlete..there are tutors, there are ways to get counselors involved...many ways to avoid dropping below 2.0 GPA or 2.5 or 3.0 depending on the college...units too...you get dropped from a class by one instructor, just one, because it's an accident or you weren't being recorded in daily roll call for attendance...that's all it takes and the kid doesn't even know...academic ineligible during season...that's all it takes. People need to stop blaming (wok way) and start just educating...that's it, educate kids ahead of time, do what you can to impress upon all student-athletes, to stay on top of their studies as best they can while jockeying college team experience...I have one first hand, right now and I'm doing that with that particular student-athlete, but at same time it's all on my kid to take care of business...you can only do so much as a parent.
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Post by chappy28 on Jan 2, 2024 16:30:36 GMT
Lysell with 5 points in the past 2 games down in Providence after being ripped by the coach and seeing Merk get the call up. Even the coach who was so recently calling him out publicly now on the record pumping his tires after better play. Perhaps the message finally clicked? “I think the Boqvist, Lysell, and Brazeau lines set the tone of how we need to play,” said Mougenel. “And we run a possession game, and Fabian (Lysell) is playing outstanding right now.” www.masslive.com/thunderbirds/2024/01/jesper-boqvist-helps-p-bruins-spoil-sellout-crowd-for-thunderbirds-on-saturday-photos.htmlAs much as I do hope that Merkulov pans out for us and reaches his NHL potential, the fact is that we need help from a scoring winger right now more than we need another center --- unless you want to send Poitras down. The chances of Boston rolling 3 rookie centermen at once is pretty much zero. To me, Lysell making the jump is probably the #1 chance to improve this team internally (aside from Lohrei but to me he's already arrived). I would much rather have Lysell push his way into the line-up than have Sweeney trade away picks/prospects to get a deadline offensive winger.
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Post by chappy28 on Jan 4, 2024 12:46:12 GMT
You don't and can't blame parents for a student-athlete failing...I work in education field (athletics) and I have seen almost EXCLUSIVELY...super-star student-athletes who are the ones who "fail." ...it's not parenting. It's the student-athlete..there are tutors, there are ways to get counselors involved...many ways to avoid dropping below 2.0 GPA or 2.5 or 3.0 depending on the college...units too...you get dropped from a class by one instructor, just one, because it's an accident or you weren't being recorded in daily roll call for attendance...that's all it takes and the kid doesn't even know...academic ineligible during season...that's all it takes. People need to stop blaming (wok way) and start just educating...that's it, educate kids ahead of time, do what you can to impress upon all student-athletes, to stay on top of their studies as best they can while jockeying college team experience...I have one first hand, right now and I'm doing that with that particular student-athlete, but at same time it's all on my kid to take care of business...you can only do so much as a parent. Of course it's on the athlete, no other way to cut it. I don't know anybody is "blaming" anybody but Spicer for this. However, hockey is different than a lot of sports in that there IS a path to being a pro that doesn't involve the NCAA, unlike the other major pro sports where the NCAA is the ONLY legitimate feeder league that you can get drafted out of. So when you take that into consideration, the parents do have an opportunity/responsibility to help their 16-17 year old kid think through their options in a different way, especially if they have shown a great aptitude for hockey coupled with a not-so-great aptitude for school. To fail out of hockey like Spicer just did likely means he's having a bit too much fun in college rather than he's just not smart enough because as others have mentioned there are a lot of resources to help a D1 athlete stay eligible if the student chooses to at least make an effort. When you fail out, your probably sleeping through class, and more concerned with good times and getting laid than you are about your grades --- and by extension than you are about your pro hockey prospects. Spicer did it to himself, no excuses, no blame to go around except to himself. BUT it would be interesting to know if he ever considered the canadian juniors route as an alternative to the USHL to NCAA pipeline.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 4, 2024 19:14:42 GMT
Totally agree on the parents point. If a kid has not shown that they dont like studying, had poor grades or have struggled there whole life with memory, attention span or just not that bright. Spicers parents should have pointed to the CHL. There is talk he might go to the WHL. One note on this - and I can point to myself as an example, I didn't take a college scholarship (soccer), the coach talked to my parents who were totally uneducated and said to the coach it was my decision alone. I thought scholarships grew on trees and I thought I would have multiple offers, being a stupid fucking kid. I had no one around to give good advice, and no adults that would sit down and have an intelligent conversation about this. Do I ever regret that, but I didn't know anything. And my parents knew even less. Maybe, I don't know, but maybe Spicer's parents were clueless and/or delusional or -something <fill in the blank>. Could be that they just let there son make the decisions.
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Post by dannycater on Jan 5, 2024 4:18:29 GMT
The B's prospects can't play at NHL level...The End of Thread.
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Post by bruins6 on Jan 6, 2024 18:32:14 GMT
Alec Regula plus 25 in Providence - have people heard or seen info on him - he was a third rounder so I mean a decent prospect. is there a chance he slots in as a third pair next year - he is big but is he physical enough with his size.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 6, 2024 21:28:34 GMT
Alec Regula plus 25 in Providence - have people heard or seen info on him - he was a third rounder so I mean a decent prospect. is there a chance he slots in as a third pair next year - he is big but is he physical enough with his size. Most Hawk fans mentioned that Regula was the better of the two prospects, he and Mitchell, but neither were NHL material. Wotherspoon and Mitchell were called up first if that tells you anything.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jan 8, 2024 14:11:50 GMT
Prospects update.
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