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Post by badhabitude on Aug 5, 2016 19:23:27 GMT
No they are not even close to the two best candidates. There in lies the problem, two-party system is the problem. The beltway is full money grabbing scum. Almost everyone made fun of Ross Perot but I didn't. If Trump keeps going as he's going there will be only one party in this country. If he gets elected he would most likely illegalize the Democratic party. If he loses he will most likely destroy the Republican party on the way to losing.
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 5, 2016 19:29:54 GMT
All partisanship aside. The current voters for either candidate will not change their votes in virtually any circumstance. HB said that Trump would have to commit a violent felony to lose his vote which is pretty typical of Trump supporters. And Trump has made possibly hundreds of incorrect or politically incorrect remarks that pale in comparison to a Howard Dean howl that would have sunk probably every other candidate. Hillary voters will keep their votes because they would rather see anyone rather than Trump. The current fact is that the Donald is taking a beating. What you do have right is that there is a lot of time before the election and as always it will be the uncommitted voters that will decide the election, any candidate must court them in order to win. Currently Trump is not making an effort to court them. He could change that strategy, but the point is that he must in order to win. So far everything we've seen says that he will not make that effort and from the statements he's made and from his actions it appears that he believes he can carry it with only his own followers. I don't know why he won't do it, quite clearly his base is rock solid. He no longer needs to pander to them. He just needs to pander to the middle and I think he gets an epic shift in his direction. And this is shitty because I'm not a professional at this, but it would look something like this. He doesn't have to take back anything he's already said or apologize for anything. No ad lib from here on out. Pick 3 or 4 policy issues and only focus on those, don't try to address everything like he did in his acceptance speech. Make everyone think Reagan and actually use some Reagan tactics. Stop into a bar in South Boston and have a beer. Hillary can't do that, Trump can. How is this true? T he guy sells out a rally of 10k plus while Hillary can't draw flies. Fifty people in a high school gym. Reagan was thirty years ago, Republicans need to shift in a new direction more than the Habs with Guy Lafleur and Jean Beauliveau. I don't know that that proves anything. There was some episode where Jon Hamm ripped Kim Kardashian and some moron said "who's Jon Hamm? If he and Kim were both at the mall, everyone would run to see Kim and totally ignore Jon Hamm." People pay to see trainwrecks. They stay home from powerpoint presentations on platform commitments.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 20:20:12 GMT
How is this true? T he guy sells out a rally of 10k plus while Hillary can't draw flies. Fifty people in a high school gym. Reagan was thirty years ago, Republicans need to shift in a new direction more than the Habs with Guy Lafleur and Jean Beauliveau. I don't know that that proves anything. There was some episode where Jon Hamm ripped Kim Kardashian and some moron said "who's Jon Hamm? If he and Kim were both at the mall, everyone would run to see Kim and totally ignore Jon Hamm." People pay to see trainwrecks. They stay home from powerpoint presentations on platform commitments. Well, if we're going to specific, these rallies are in Rust Belt states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Ohio that traditionally vote Democrats. I know from the Facebook outrage of my friends in Maine that he was in Portland last night.
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 5, 2016 21:03:55 GMT
And the polling in those states says they still will vote Democrat - as states. There's nearly 10 million people in Michigan, 11.5 million in Ohio - it's not hard to imagine 10K angry, disenfranchised conservative voters who never get their way and jumping to team Trump. It's even less difficult to imagine that a lot of those people are there not for any political rationale but to be part of something they've seen on TV. Kim Kardashian would sell out one of those rallys even if all she did was balance things on her giant arse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 22:06:37 GMT
And the polling in those states says they still will vote Democrat - as states. There's nearly 10 million people in Michigan, 11.5 million in Ohio - it's not hard to imagine 10K angry, disenfranchised conservative voters who never get their way and jumping to team Trump. It's even less difficult to imagine that a lot of those people are there not for any political rationale but to be part of something they've seen on TV. Kim Kardashian would sell out one of those rallys even if all she did was balance things on her giant arse. Maybe, but the point is he's reaching out to a non traditional audience for Republicans. He's trying to turn the Midwest against Hillary because of the trade deals that killed their jobs.
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Post by walktheline on Aug 5, 2016 22:21:46 GMT
And the polling in those states says they still will vote Democrat - as states. There's nearly 10 million people in Michigan, 11.5 million in Ohio - it's not hard to imagine 10K angry, disenfranchised conservative voters who never get their way and jumping to team Trump. It's even less difficult to imagine that a lot of those people are there not for any political rationale but to be part of something they've seen on TV. Kim Kardashian would sell out one of those rallys even if all she did was balance things on her giant arse. Maybe, but the point is he's reaching out to a non traditional audience for Republicans. He's trying to turn the Midwest against Hillary because of the trade deals that killed their jobs. That would explain why the soon-to-be Panderer in Chief did a 180 and now opposes the TPP.
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Post by RichHillOntario on Aug 6, 2016 0:29:22 GMT
Shouldn't he get rolling on it because Clinton's got decades of a head start on him in that department. That won't be a good look come the debates. Seems like he's wasting precious time on these side bouts instead of setting his sights solely on his opponent. He's an active participant in his own ass-whupping. He's relying too much on his personal appeal, and he seems to keep drawing from the well of what made him popular in the first place. These side bouts are idiotic. It's like he's running into the middle of a rumble with his arms doing the windmill.The Three Stooges just entered my mind. Love those guys. But, yeah, he's not doing himself any favours wasting time wandering off-course instead of taking consistent dead aim at Clinton. If some of those national polls of the last couple of days are accurate, he's got a double-digit gap to close. Have you heard The Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want" being played at his rallies? Think I also heard it at the end of the RNC. A curious choice to pump up the crowds. Like having "Didn't We Almost Have It All" as a wedding song.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 1:01:35 GMT
He's relying too much on his personal appeal, and he seems to keep drawing from the well of what made him popular in the first place. These side bouts are idiotic. It's like he's running into the middle of a rumble with his arms doing the windmill.The Three Stooges just entered my mind. Love those guys. But, yeah, he's not doing himself any favours wasting time wandering off-course instead of taking consistent dead aim at Clinton. If some of those national polls of the last couple of days are accurate, he's got a double-digit gap to close. Have you heard The Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want" being played at his rallies? Think I also heard it at the end of the RNC. A curious choice to pump up the crowds. Like having "Didn't We Almost Have It All" as a wedding song. They should all just use "Living in America." That song makes people feel pretty good about things. If nothing else Trump is making the race entertaining. It wouldn't be half as fun with the usual cast of Republican stiffs.
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 6, 2016 1:47:11 GMT
He's relying too much on his personal appeal, and he seems to keep drawing from the well of what made him popular in the first place. These side bouts are idiotic. It's like he's running into the middle of a rumble with his arms doing the windmill.The Three Stooges just entered my mind. Love those guys. But, yeah, he's not doing himself any favours wasting time wandering off-course instead of taking consistent dead aim at Clinton. If some of those national polls of the last couple of days are accurate, he's got a double-digit gap to close. Have you heard The Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want" being played at his rallies? Think I also heard it at the end of the RNC. A curious choice to pump up the crowds. Like having "Didn't We Almost Have It All" as a wedding song. He started with Keep on Rockin' in the Free World There's a warnin' side on the road ahead There's a lot of people sayin' we'd be better off dead Don't feel like Satan But I am to them So I try to forget it Any way I can The best is when they use Springsteen End up like a dog that's been beat too much Til you spend half your life just a coverin' up. The best is Afternoon Delight as a duet with your niece...(thanks, Michael Bluth).
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Aug 6, 2016 1:58:41 GMT
No they are not even close to the two best candidates. There in lies the problem, two-party system is the problem. The beltway is full money grabbing scum. Almost everyone made fun of Ross Perot but I didn't. If Trump keeps going as he's going there will be only one party in this country. If he gets elected he would most likely illegalize the Democratic party. If he loses he will most likely destroy the Republican party on the way to losing. If the Republican party returned to the "Eisenhower Republicans", the beltway would function again. Getting rid of the Kochs "freedom caucus" has to be a priority the Dems or the House will not let any bills move. No matter what happns the Republican party won't die out. Billionaire donors won't let it. Right now they, Billionaire Bankers, old rich New York WASPs, oil barons and Manufacturing CEOs, are just being smart and pouring their money into the Senate races. I would say the democratic party might splinter into two parties, one being progressive, at one point but not die. Anything that takes the strangle hold of the Beltway would be a good thing.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Aug 6, 2016 2:12:30 GMT
And the polling in those states says they still will vote Democrat - as states. There's nearly 10 million people in Michigan, 11.5 million in Ohio - it's not hard to imagine 10K angry, disenfranchised conservative voters who never get their way and jumping to team Trump. It's even less difficult to imagine that a lot of those people are there not for any political rationale but to be part of something they've seen on TV. What is funny, is how good a position Drumpf was doing, coming out of the GOOBer convention but he blew it. Now the only polls that matter are the non-mainstream media, college or, non-corporate owned, local TV polls in battle ground states. The corporate controlled mainstream media polls are not worth he air that they are read on. I don't thinks Dumpster has the ground game to make up for his recent blunders. Billary is raising a ton more money as well, were as Adelson and the Kochs aren't helping Self-Funder one bit. It's going to be very tough to stop piano legs momentum now. Today's job report, not as good as you would like it to be, but it was not good for the RepubliKLANs. Obama's approval rating right now is also bad news for the TeaPottys.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 2:23:06 GMT
You have to love how the Republican Party and political media take zero responsibility for Trump. I support him, but understand he is a Boris Yelstin caliber embarrassment with many gaffes to come. He's the product of their failure.
Congress seems to serve as a free paycheck for those able to raise enough money to win a local election. The gun bill was heavily politicized to the point where that dumb sit in happened and they didn't pass the Zika bill. Now there's an outbreak in the Winwood area in Miami and the meatheads are trying to stuff the bill with earmarks for Unplanned Parenthood. The world would be a better place if some of them just dropped dead.
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Post by badhabitude on Aug 6, 2016 4:14:29 GMT
You have to love how the Republican Party and political media take zero responsibility for Trump. I support him, but understand he is a Boris Yelstin caliber embarrassment with many gaffes to come. He's the product of their failure. Congress seems to serve as a free paycheck for those able to raise enough money to win a local election. The gun bill was heavily politicized to the point where that dumb sit in happened and they didn't pass the Zika bill. Now there's an outbreak in the Winwood area in Miami and the meatheads are trying to stuff the bill with earmarks for Unplanned Parenthood. The world would be a better place if some of them just dropped dead. re: the Zika bill. Didn't know that. That's fucked. And practically criminal.
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Post by walktheline on Aug 6, 2016 10:53:08 GMT
You have to love how the Republican Party and political media take zero responsibility for Trump. I support him, but understand he is a Boris Yelstin caliber embarrassment with many gaffes to come. He's the product of their failure. Congress seems to serve as a free paycheck for those able to raise enough money to win a local election. The gun bill was heavily politicized to the point where that dumb sit in happened and they didn't pass the Zika bill. Now there's an outbreak in the Winwood area in Miami and the meatheads are trying to stuff the bill with earmarks for Unplanned Parenthood. The world would be a better place if some of them just dropped dead. re: the Zika bill. Didn't know that. That's fucked. And practically criminal.Yep. This stuff is commonplace in DC and to a smaller degree on Beacon Hill. It's unbelievable how often they screw us over for the sake of a political agenda, or simply because one side doesn't want the other to get something that would be viewed as positive for their party. It's party first, you and I are second, third, fourth, etc. Actually, no, it's reelection first, party second, etc., etc. Both parties are equally guilty of this. It sucks.
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Post by walktheline on Aug 6, 2016 10:54:53 GMT
HB - Stay outta Winwood! Don't want you and future Mrs. Bowers having any pinheaded children. But if you do, post pics, please! lol
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Post by neelycam on Aug 6, 2016 12:10:34 GMT
And that's bullshit, too. This portrayal of Hillary as corrupt is as mythological as Big Foot. There was nothing illegal about having a private email server, Colin Powell and others did that, too. If anything you would have to say that it can be argued that it was MORE secure than let's say gmail or yahoo. The server was NOT intended for classified information, but only for unclassified correspondence with staff. Some of those emails were LATER put into the classified category. As far as "releasing" all of them? What nonsense. I wouldn't release all of the correspondence I have with my coworkers, never in hell would I let that out as we discuss how to circumvent corporate policy and budget constraints, that's part of business everywhere. My director is "in" on that and there is an awareness of it all the way to the top in my company and every company I've ever been in. Certainly Trump has done nothing illegal as far as I can tell, but playing fast and loose with the law is something he is very comfortable with - hiring the Polish workers to build Trump tower is one example. If Hillary were guilty of something she would be indicted, with a majority of Republicans in Congress there's no way she could get away with it. Or rather - as is the case with every soul in America including you and me, if there were enough EVIDENCE there an indictment follows. Quote me all the anecdotal evidence you want, it doesn't mean shit, I can quote you all the anecdotal evidence that Big Foot exists and the reality is - there is no Big Foot. You're a moron if you don't think someone under four federal investigations with one pending from the IRS isn't corrupt. Why reply to this clown puncher ,you can see why he likes trump ,he's an asshole like trump
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Post by NAS on Aug 6, 2016 12:27:11 GMT
You're a moron if you don't think someone under four federal investigations with one pending from the IRS isn't corrupt. Why reply to this clown puncher ,you can see why he likes trump ,he's an asshole like trump Your act is so tired, so thin. How about sticking more to the topic and less to the attack? If nothing else, at least you would add a thimble of value to your sea of not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 13:15:46 GMT
Why reply to this clown puncher ,you can see why he likes trump ,he's an asshole like trump Your act is so tired, so thin. How about sticking more to the topic and less to the attack? If nothing else, at least you would add a thimble of value to your sea of not. He's gearing up for another blood clot lecture or a bitch session about the Seguin trade. Might take the rest of the summer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 13:16:30 GMT
You have to love how the Republican Party and political media take zero responsibility for Trump. I support him, but understand he is a Boris Yelstin caliber embarrassment with many gaffes to come. He's the product of their failure. Congress seems to serve as a free paycheck for those able to raise enough money to win a local election. The gun bill was heavily politicized to the point where that dumb sit in happened and they didn't pass the Zika bill. Now there's an outbreak in the Winwood area in Miami and the meatheads are trying to stuff the bill with earmarks for Unplanned Parenthood. The world would be a better place if some of them just dropped dead. re: the Zika bill. Didn't know that. That's fucked. And practically criminal. They all need to be voted out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 13:17:14 GMT
HB - Stay outta Winwood! Don't want you and future Mrs. Bowers having any pinheaded children. But if you do, post pics, please! lol No children...she teaches, so that appears to satisfy the need or scare her straight. We'll see how that changes after we get married.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Aug 6, 2016 13:37:34 GMT
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Post by bookboy007 on Aug 6, 2016 13:55:34 GMT
Times has Hilary at 81% likely to win based on aggregated polls and pathways to electoral college supremacy. Up from 78% earlier in the week.
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Post by badhabitude on Aug 6, 2016 14:35:23 GMT
Times has Hilary at 81% likely to win based on aggregated polls and pathways to electoral college supremacy. Up from 78% earlier in the week. According to some, all of the unregistered voters who are not polled and will suddenly register for the election will flip these polls right around. Then again, there is that reality thing which is so inconvenient sometimes.
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Post by 50belowzero on Aug 6, 2016 14:52:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 15:53:15 GMT
That's the Crybaby Caucus. The money wanted Jeb(!) and the media wanted Little Marco. If they both got behind Ted Cruz, who I hate, they'd have an easy election in November.
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